They could obtain the right to tap your keyboard - IF they showed a judge a legal need to do so. So, in this case, the fact that he had a slew of files on his system that they had a "reasonable degree of certainty" were directly related to his bookkeeping activities was enough to prove to the judge that they should do what they could to gain access to those files. Not a whole lot different than getting a courn order authorizing law enforcement to make a wax-copy of a key to get into a safe suspected of holding evidence.
>>>>"The application for the authorization, submitted by Wigler, contended that as "there will be no wire, oral or electronic communications captured," federal wiretap laws did not apply."
>> Bullshit. The keystroke capturer is in the computer and the stuff is remotely downloaded to an FBI computer at a later time. Of course the original record lies in the keystroke capturer, but the copy or mirror is just as implicating.
Yep... Please realize that the supposition that the federal wiretap regulations were useless was made by the article author. The FBI DID get a wiretap order with a very specific intent - to bug the wires between his greasy fingers and the computer.
The way the author ran his quotes got pretty confusing, and I had to re-read it a few times to get it straight...
Agree. Please realize that there is not a whole lot of difference here between a law enforcement agency putting a legal tap on your phone line at the switch, and putting a legal listening device in the room where the phone is. this way, if the suspect is using voice encryption, the tap is being performed BEFORE the encryption "layer".
And, for the conspiracy theorists out there, there is something called "INTELLIGENCE OVERSIGHT" that you should be very, very aware of. It prevents the collection of information that could be used for intelligence purposes on ANY U.S. CITIZEN without a legal judicial order to perform it for a specific purpose, between specific times, etc, etc. These things (as linked above) are pretty tough to get approved.
I'd be the first one to bring up Franklin's quote on having freedom vs. privacy, but, if you break the law with a car, you risk losing your driver's license; If you commit a crime and discuss it over the phone, you risk having a legal phone tap placed on your line; If you use computer software with predominantly benign uses (i.e. PGP) to hide evidence of criminal activity, you run the risk of losing that sheild to whatever means the law enforcement community can leverage without crossing the line of legality.
Realize that law enforcement has always had rights to mitigate a citizen's privacy AS LONG AS DUE PROCESS HAS BEEN FOLLOWED. This is an inherent requirement to do their job, and, knowing the restrictions placed on them, I think that almost all of the time that ethic is upheld. (There will always be screw-ups, but those responsible are held to their actions.)
Although I think that X-Men is a kickass comic/movie, they really did put a downward spin on the word "mutant". (Yes, yes, them among others, but you know what I mean...)
Technically, a mutant is (per dictionary.com) "An individual, an organism, or a new genetic character arising or resulting from mutation." - basically anyone that is different based on non-normal genes. You could probably say that we are all mutants in some way...
There are a few ideas that come to mind. You could use X-10 based hardware (smarthome has a good selection, but shop around on prices - their's run steep) to capture the video, pipe that into a video capture card (check the video4linux project for specific stuff), take pics every few [seconds|minutes|whatever], use a package on freshmeat (can't remember the name) that checks for a "diff" between images and can run a program based on the return value. You could then send a text message to your pager/cell phone/email account. They also have relays that can trigger X-10 events based on normally-open (NO) or normally-closed (NC) trigger devices (like the laser tripware, door contacts, motion detectors, etc) and, again, send a text message to you with the details. The X-10 device signals can be monitored with a power-circuit to serial port device that isn't too expensive.
Hope this helps - I'd be interested in hearing what you eventually go with, as I'd like to implement something similar at home....
I know that Andersen Air Force Base is on Guam, and with any AFB comes a decent amount of bandwidth. Since all of it is commercially provided (Leased from Sprint, etc.), that provider could possibly lease some of their pipe to your client.
I'd see if your client can get in touch with the appropriate folks on the base there to see who their provider is. If you need more info on this, please drop me an email. Hope it helps!
Two excellent points!!!!
1) The NSA is not chartered for domestic surveillance
Absolutely correct. There is more in the ways of intelligence oversight than the overly paranoid will ever understand.
2) What makes you think your ISP isn't doing this already? And for whose purposes?
They are. And for non-good-for-the-customer purposes. One guy in the area that I know (same area of the country as Ricdude...) works for one of the largest network transport companies in the world. I'm not talking AOL, I'm not talking Earthlink. We're talking business solution provider-level bandwidth - the people who sell your ISP THEIR network pipes. A direct quote: "Yeah, we mine our data." He also added something to the extent of (not direct quote) "as long as the customers don't know, and the competitors don't find out, it's fine."
Needless to say, there is ONE particular company that I will NEVER buy anything from, and NEVER anything from one of their customers.
BTW - people should really be less worried about the US government snooping than some other countries whose governments have a far greater portion of their national assets behind corporate espionage (yep - other countries' governments help snoop on US corporations for the good of that other country's domestic corporations). They have FAR less oversight, too... You want corruption? Check out some of the former Eastern Bloc countries.
Unfortunately, it's the latter. There can be an infinite number of parties, and there are more active than many Americans even think. (i.e. There is a ballot line for the Communist party - even today.)
However, as history has progressed (arguable, but bear with me...), the Democrats (liberals) and the Republicans (conservatives) have emerged as the two big ones.
Many "third parties" have led substantial campaigns for the presidency (Ross Perot is the most recent I can think of, not counting those in the current campaign), but voting for them is often referred to as "throwing your vote away."
Why, you may ask?
The confusing part of our election system is that the common votes do not directly count towards the finaly tally of the election. Rather, the states votes are counted, and that state has a certain number of of "electoral college" votes, based on their population. (I have NO idea where the name comes from - academia is nowhere involved.) So, say New York State has 40% common vote for Bush (Repub), 45% for Gore (Dem), and 5% for any number of other candidates, all of the state's (made up number) 24 "electoral college" votes go towards the official tally. The total of all states' electoral college votes determines the winner.
I'm sure that there was some reason that this was instituted, but good lord, why does it have to be so damn confusing?!
Sorry if that's more than you were asking... I was 90% through with the reply before I realized I answered your question (I hope) early on.
Although I agree with the article on a grammatical level, those of us who (as another poster noted) have accepted electronic mail as a given - almost a lifeblood - will still stick to our (BF?) guns and use whatever spelling we want. When I send messages to friends, I seldom use any keys but numbers, letters, and a few punctuation marks like commas and periods (i.e. no capital letters, no hypens, etc.) It's just faster to type and get your thought into electrons.
I dunno... if you want to spell it "eee-mail", I realld don't care. As long as "eee-mail" and "e-mail" and "email" all speak SMTP, it don't make no difference to me!!!
Your link to altavista doesn't give any results... Not that I don't believe you, but I could find no information on Ucentric being a hoax or a fake company. (I tried metacrawler, too.) In fact, the Polaris VC group has a (seemingly) legit press release-ey page on their site with $10M ponied up for Ucentric.
Don't get me wrong, I realize that there is a huge possibility that everything on the web is a hoax, just curious where the info came from.
I saw this the other day at K-Mart, and it was around $100. They also have a new (non-mindstorms) series of Star-Wars Technic sets that are designed to be models. The X-Wing is fantastic (about 2 feet long), but weighs in at $150.
Oh yeah - a way to get around the "Macro eBorder control" is to set up an anonymizer-like reflector in a legal-to-gamble jurisdiction and surf through it. /me waits for a lawyer's letter telling me that i need to stop being such a smartass.....
Without much thought, this "solution" came to mind. I have no reason/desire to use it, so don't sue me if it works.
1) Get a cell phone (with a PO box for an address) in Nevada.
2) Use the "call forward" function of the cell service to bounce incoming calls to the gaming dial-up number.
3) Bet all of your hard earned money away on <insert silly betting subject here>
Again, not sure if this would work, but if you really have that big of a gambling problem, I'm sure it will/could happen.
What are your feelings on the cries of the privacy rights community on allowing a fully open review of the source code?
Would you have rather seen the code released on, something like www.fbi-carnivore.com (made up) for all to see/play with/use/abuse, or do you think that choosing a team of professionals to perform an independent review, with later possibilities to release more details (as is underway) is the right way to go?
What is your repsonse to those who call you "lackeys" and "government pawns" because of your participation?
All in all, best of luck. I personally feel that the semi-closed method is the better choice, because I know that holding a security clearance does not automatically cause you to lose your ability to think critically. I look forward to learning the results of your review (even if it is sometime "down the line".)
Under $300 range: (Stocking Stuffer, I guess...) Logitech's optical mouse with wheel. Better than M$'s (duh!), with a better form factor and sleeker looks.
$301-$1500 range: PhatBox Car MP3 player. This one integrates to your own car stereo through the CD-Changer interface. And the packaging is killer.
Unlimited price range: HDTV, 16x9 widescreen format, plasma display, thin/light enough to hang on a wall.
Of course, if Santa wanted to render an indisputable legal decision on DeCSS in favor of Free Software (not to mention common sense), I'd happily give up any of the three above things!
Just curious if we'll have a report on what happened and how it was done after everything is cleaned up. With slash being full-open-source, it would be a good way to educate the community.
Not that I think we should expect something in the next hour or anything, but in a week or so, maybe...
Go ahead and mod this one how you want... These are my feelings and I'm entitled to them.
YES. Security clearances are not out of the question for this kind of thing. If you have information that is potentially dangerous to national security, the information is classified. Since the source code is designed to be used for the protection of national security, it is therefore classified. (Or at least what's called "Law Enforcement Sensitive.")
Lots of people have security clearances. (Note: clearances not ratings) If you are going to look at classified information, you need one. Period. This is how we prevent other nations from getting our stuff. (I'm not making a case for how WELL we may or may not do this, though. That area needs a lot of improvement.)
What did you honestly expect? A class of CS101 students from some community college get to review the source code of Carnivore for their class?
P.S. Please don't start the "e-mail gets the same protection as US Mail. The US Postal Service IS the government. If you are a conspiracy theorist, at least do it all the way...:P
Check out Roaring Penguin PPPOE for a piece-of-cake PPPoE solution. Took me about 2 minutes under linux, while doing the test install in win98 took about 30 minutes...
I used dslreports.com to decide with my service, and here's my thoughts:
Most reports you see on the site are there because of (understandably) irate people who got screwed by the phone company or other related service provider. Think about it: if you have a good experience, are you one to go right to a site and tell everyone? (If so, thank you!! If not, maybe we need more of that...)
Anyway, I was up an running with Bell Atlantic (they didn't have a minimum commitment when I signed up, which I needed) 10 days before the earliest-ready date. Service since then has been acceptable (pppoe sucks, but RP-PPPOE makes it easy!), but I'll be moving next month and starting up with someone else because they have static IPs and better speed for better price. Actually, when we were looking for a house to buy, we didn't even consider ones that weren't in DSL range!
DSL is a great technology - the implementation of it has a ways to go, though. If you are fairly technically competent, you should be able to talk to the techs who do the installations "in their own language," and get things done correctly.
Oh yeah - never underestimate the success of immediately asking for tier 2 or 3 tech support if you ever need to call the provider!
Not sure if this would work, but there are MUCH, MUCH cheaper CD-ROM changers out there that could be options.
I know that about 5 years ago, NEC had a 6- or 7-disc SCSI unit that used multiple LUNs, giving each tray its own device (or drive letter in windoze - that's all I used it with then on a work system). You could then write a basic script that rip/enc'ed the 7 discs, after which you could replace them. (Unfortunately, I can't remember if you can replace CD's while one is being accessed.)
It's not quite as fancy, but 5 years ago, this toy was only about $350. A quick check at Pricewatch in the "CD-ROM | Changers" section lists some as low as $45, but most around $200 or so. (The $45 one is probably junk or a misprint.)
On a related note, I ripped about 1000 cd's (all my own...) to an mp3 server, and it took a while, but was not unmanageable with Grip - I highly recommend it!! (CDDB/rip/enc/ID3, etc.) Good luck!!
If you do a search on Pricewatch for "Book PC" (use the space!), they are for sale from Directron for $152 (with CD vice DVD tho). I have one, and have built about 3 or 4 others, and they are neat little machines. The S-Video output is great quality (even at 800x600), and adding a wireless kb/mouse makes it complete.... DVD models are around $90 more, but they say you can drop any DVD drive into it. A friend has had mixed luck on that front.
Definitely something to check out!!!
I'm not so sure that wiretaps are 100% "owned" by the phone companies (whom, I must say, I trust less than the government). I'm pretty sure that although they might be physically placed by the phone companies, they are monitored directly by the FBI. Additionally, there aren't a lot of ways to tap a phone...
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They could obtain the right to tap your keyboard - IF they showed a judge a legal need to do so. So, in this case, the fact that he had a slew of files on his system that they had a "reasonable degree of certainty" were directly related to his bookkeeping activities was enough to prove to the judge that they should do what they could to gain access to those files. Not a whole lot different than getting a courn order authorizing law enforcement to make a wax-copy of a key to get into a safe suspected of holding evidence.
>>>>"The application for the authorization, submitted by Wigler, contended that as "there will be no wire, oral or electronic communications captured," federal wiretap laws did not apply."
>> Bullshit. The keystroke capturer is in the computer and the stuff is remotely downloaded to an FBI computer at a later time. Of course the original record lies in the keystroke capturer, but the copy or mirror is just as implicating.
Yep... Please realize that the supposition that the federal wiretap regulations were useless was made by the article author. The FBI DID get a wiretap order with a very specific intent - to bug the wires between his greasy fingers and the computer.
The way the author ran his quotes got pretty confusing, and I had to re-read it a few times to get it straight...
Agree. Please realize that there is not a whole lot of difference here between a law enforcement agency putting a legal tap on your phone line at the switch, and putting a legal listening device in the room where the phone is. this way, if the suspect is using voice encryption, the tap is being performed BEFORE the encryption "layer".
And, for the conspiracy theorists out there, there is something called "INTELLIGENCE OVERSIGHT" that you should be very, very aware of. It prevents the collection of information that could be used for intelligence purposes on ANY U.S. CITIZEN without a legal judicial order to perform it for a specific purpose, between specific times, etc, etc. These things (as linked above) are pretty tough to get approved.
I'd be the first one to bring up Franklin's quote on having freedom vs. privacy, but, if you break the law with a car, you risk losing your driver's license; If you commit a crime and discuss it over the phone, you risk having a legal phone tap placed on your line; If you use computer software with predominantly benign uses (i.e. PGP) to hide evidence of criminal activity, you run the risk of losing that sheild to whatever means the law enforcement community can leverage without crossing the line of legality.
Realize that law enforcement has always had rights to mitigate a citizen's privacy AS LONG AS DUE PROCESS HAS BEEN FOLLOWED. This is an inherent requirement to do their job, and, knowing the restrictions placed on them, I think that almost all of the time that ethic is upheld. (There will always be screw-ups, but those responsible are held to their actions.)
Although I think that X-Men is a kickass comic/movie, they really did put a downward spin on the word "mutant". (Yes, yes, them among others, but you know what I mean...)
Technically, a mutant is (per dictionary.com) "An individual, an organism, or a new genetic character arising or resulting from mutation." - basically anyone that is different based on non-normal genes. You could probably say that we are all mutants in some way...
There are a few ideas that come to mind. You could use X-10 based hardware (smarthome has a good selection, but shop around on prices - their's run steep) to capture the video, pipe that into a video capture card (check the video4linux project for specific stuff), take pics every few [seconds|minutes|whatever], use a package on freshmeat (can't remember the name) that checks for a "diff" between images and can run a program based on the return value. You could then send a text message to your pager/cell phone/email account. They also have relays that can trigger X-10 events based on normally-open (NO) or normally-closed (NC) trigger devices (like the laser tripware, door contacts, motion detectors, etc) and, again, send a text message to you with the details. The X-10 device signals can be monitored with a power-circuit to serial port device that isn't too expensive.
Hope this helps - I'd be interested in hearing what you eventually go with, as I'd like to implement something similar at home....
I know that Andersen Air Force Base is on Guam, and with any AFB comes a decent amount of bandwidth. Since all of it is commercially provided (Leased from Sprint, etc.), that provider could possibly lease some of their pipe to your client.
I'd see if your client can get in touch with the appropriate folks on the base there to see who their provider is. If you need more info on this, please drop me an email. Hope it helps!
Two excellent points!!!!
1) The NSA is not chartered for domestic surveillance
Absolutely correct. There is more in the ways of intelligence oversight than the overly paranoid will ever understand.
2) What makes you think your ISP isn't doing this already? And for whose purposes?
They are. And for non-good-for-the-customer purposes. One guy in the area that I know (same area of the country as Ricdude...) works for one of the largest network transport companies in the world. I'm not talking AOL, I'm not talking Earthlink. We're talking business solution provider-level bandwidth - the people who sell your ISP THEIR network pipes. A direct quote: "Yeah, we mine our data." He also added something to the extent of (not direct quote) "as long as the customers don't know, and the competitors don't find out, it's fine."
Needless to say, there is ONE particular company that I will NEVER buy anything from, and NEVER anything from one of their customers.
BTW - people should really be less worried about the US government snooping than some other countries whose governments have a far greater portion of their national assets behind corporate espionage (yep - other countries' governments help snoop on US corporations for the good of that other country's domestic corporations). They have FAR less oversight, too... You want corruption? Check out some of the former Eastern Bloc countries.
Unfortunately, it's the latter. There can be an infinite number of parties, and there are more active than many Americans even think. (i.e. There is a ballot line for the Communist party - even today.)
However, as history has progressed (arguable, but bear with me...), the Democrats (liberals) and the Republicans (conservatives) have emerged as the two big ones.
Many "third parties" have led substantial campaigns for the presidency (Ross Perot is the most recent I can think of, not counting those in the current campaign), but voting for them is often referred to as "throwing your vote away."
Why, you may ask?
The confusing part of our election system is that the common votes do not directly count towards the finaly tally of the election. Rather, the states votes are counted, and that state has a certain number of of "electoral college" votes, based on their population. (I have NO idea where the name comes from - academia is nowhere involved.) So, say New York State has 40% common vote for Bush (Repub), 45% for Gore (Dem), and 5% for any number of other candidates, all of the state's (made up number) 24 "electoral college" votes go towards the official tally. The total of all states' electoral college votes determines the winner.
I'm sure that there was some reason that this was instituted, but good lord, why does it have to be so damn confusing?!
Sorry if that's more than you were asking... I was 90% through with the reply before I realized I answered your question (I hope) early on.
Agree! When referring to the postage-stamp variety of message traffic, I always find myself specifically noting that it's snail mail.
Although I agree with the article on a grammatical level, those of us who (as another poster noted) have accepted electronic mail as a given - almost a lifeblood - will still stick to our (BF?) guns and use whatever spelling we want. When I send messages to friends, I seldom use any keys but numbers, letters, and a few punctuation marks like commas and periods (i.e. no capital letters, no hypens, etc.) It's just faster to type and get your thought into electrons.
I dunno... if you want to spell it "eee-mail", I realld don't care. As long as "eee-mail" and "e-mail" and "email" all speak SMTP, it don't make no difference to me!!!
Your link to altavista doesn't give any results... Not that I don't believe you, but I could find no information on Ucentric being a hoax or a fake company. (I tried metacrawler, too.) In fact, the Polaris VC group has a (seemingly) legit press release-ey page on their site with $10M ponied up for Ucentric.
Don't get me wrong, I realize that there is a huge possibility that everything on the web is a hoax, just curious where the info came from.
I saw this the other day at K-Mart, and it was around $100. They also have a new (non-mindstorms) series of Star-Wars Technic sets that are designed to be models. The X-Wing is fantastic (about 2 feet long), but weighs in at $150.
Oh yeah - a way to get around the "Macro eBorder control" is to set up an anonymizer-like reflector in a legal-to-gamble jurisdiction and surf through it.
/me waits for a lawyer's letter telling me that i need to stop being such a smartass.....
Without much thought, this "solution" came to mind. I have no reason/desire to use it, so don't sue me if it works.
1) Get a cell phone (with a PO box for an address) in Nevada.
2) Use the "call forward" function of the cell service to bounce incoming calls to the gaming dial-up number.
3) Bet all of your hard earned money away on <insert silly betting subject here>
Again, not sure if this would work, but if you really have that big of a gambling problem, I'm sure it will/could happen.
What are your feelings on the cries of the privacy rights community on allowing a fully open review of the source code?
Would you have rather seen the code released on, something like www.fbi-carnivore.com (made up) for all to see/play with/use/abuse, or do you think that choosing a team of professionals to perform an independent review, with later possibilities to release more details (as is underway) is the right way to go?
What is your repsonse to those who call you "lackeys" and "government pawns" because of your participation?
All in all, best of luck. I personally feel that the semi-closed method is the better choice, because I know that holding a security clearance does not automatically cause you to lose your ability to think critically. I look forward to learning the results of your review (even if it is sometime "down the line".)
HAHAHAHAH! funny, funny stuff.
*NOTE! Don't click the above link if you are at work!
$301-$1500 range: PhatBox Car MP3 player. This one integrates to your own car stereo through the CD-Changer interface. And the packaging is killer.
Unlimited price range: HDTV, 16x9 widescreen format, plasma display, thin/light enough to hang on a wall.
Of course, if Santa wanted to render an indisputable legal decision on DeCSS in favor of Free Software (not to mention common sense), I'd happily give up any of the three above things!
Just curious if we'll have a report on what happened and how it was done after everything is cleaned up. With slash being full-open-source, it would be a good way to educate the community.
Not that I think we should expect something in the next hour or anything, but in a week or so, maybe...
Well said...
Don't forget Homer Simpson, too... Mmmmmm... carnivore.... meat..... (looks at slobbered-on keyboard) D'oh!
Go ahead and mod this one how you want... These are my feelings and I'm entitled to them. :P
YES. Security clearances are not out of the question for this kind of thing. If you have information that is potentially dangerous to national security, the information is classified. Since the source code is designed to be used for the protection of national security, it is therefore classified. (Or at least what's called "Law Enforcement Sensitive.")
Lots of people have security clearances. (Note: clearances not ratings) If you are going to look at classified information, you need one. Period. This is how we prevent other nations from getting our stuff. (I'm not making a case for how WELL we may or may not do this, though. That area needs a lot of improvement.)
What did you honestly expect? A class of CS101 students from some community college get to review the source code of Carnivore for their class?
P.S. Please don't start the "e-mail gets the same protection as US Mail. The US Postal Service IS the government. If you are a conspiracy theorist, at least do it all the way...
Check out Roaring Penguin PPPOE for a piece-of-cake PPPoE solution. Took me about 2 minutes under linux, while doing the test install in win98 took about 30 minutes...
I used dslreports.com to decide with my service, and here's my thoughts:
Most reports you see on the site are there because of (understandably) irate people who got screwed by the phone company or other related service provider. Think about it: if you have a good experience, are you one to go right to a site and tell everyone? (If so, thank you!! If not, maybe we need more of that...)
Anyway, I was up an running with Bell Atlantic (they didn't have a minimum commitment when I signed up, which I needed) 10 days before the earliest-ready date. Service since then has been acceptable (pppoe sucks, but RP-PPPOE makes it easy!), but I'll be moving next month and starting up with someone else because they have static IPs and better speed for better price. Actually, when we were looking for a house to buy, we didn't even consider ones that weren't in DSL range!
DSL is a great technology - the implementation of it has a ways to go, though. If you are fairly technically competent, you should be able to talk to the techs who do the installations "in their own language," and get things done correctly.
Oh yeah - never underestimate the success of immediately asking for tier 2 or 3 tech support if you ever need to call the provider!
Not sure if this would work, but there are MUCH, MUCH cheaper CD-ROM changers out there that could be options.
I know that about 5 years ago, NEC had a 6- or 7-disc SCSI unit that used multiple LUNs, giving each tray its own device (or drive letter in windoze - that's all I used it with then on a work system). You could then write a basic script that rip/enc'ed the 7 discs, after which you could replace them. (Unfortunately, I can't remember if you can replace CD's while one is being accessed.)
It's not quite as fancy, but 5 years ago, this toy was only about $350. A quick check at Pricewatch in the "CD-ROM | Changers" section lists some as low as $45, but most around $200 or so. (The $45 one is probably junk or a misprint.)
On a related note, I ripped about 1000 cd's (all my own...) to an mp3 server, and it took a while, but was not unmanageable with Grip - I highly recommend it!! (CDDB/rip/enc/ID3, etc.) Good luck!!
If you do a search on Pricewatch for "Book PC" (use the space!), they are for sale from Directron for $152 (with CD vice DVD tho). I have one, and have built about 3 or 4 others, and they are neat little machines. The S-Video output is great quality (even at 800x600), and adding a wireless kb/mouse makes it complete.... DVD models are around $90 more, but they say you can drop any DVD drive into it. A friend has had mixed luck on that front.
Definitely something to check out!!!
I'm not so sure that wiretaps are 100% "owned" by the phone companies (whom, I must say, I trust less than the government). I'm pretty sure that although they might be physically placed by the phone companies, they are monitored directly by the FBI. Additionally, there aren't a lot of ways to tap a phone...