Considering that the phone is owned by the city of San Bernardino, and the FBI is asking on their behalf, what is the problem here?
Okay, if you want to play dumb and treat this like just another routine business transaction, how much would Apple normally charge a large customer to roll out a custom OS version just for them? If San Bernadino (no, not the FBI, who we fund) wants to pay a couple hundred million to unlock "their own" iPhone, I actually don't have a problem with that (but of course, the FBI has zero interest in that outcome, either) - Because that doesn't set a legal precedent for routinely ignoring the 4th and 13th amendments when the government finds it expedient to do so.
And, of course, as a routine business transaction - Apple should have the right to tell them to fuck right off without Tim Cook risking time in a cage as a result.
Come mow my lawn, for free (because we might find terrorists hiding in the tall grass), or I'll have you kidnapped and locked in a cage until you agree to do so.
Put in the backdoor, but make it only work for the next month or so. FBI gets to hack this one phone, but can't do anything with this backdoor in the future.
This has almost nothing to do with whether or not the FBI can reuse the backdoor. It doesn't even really have much to do with encryption, except as a thin veneer over the real issues.
Rather, this one case will set a precedent for decades to come about whether the government can compel you, Joe Average, into involuntary servitude (aka "slavery") just because the FBI (or any other "legit" law enforcement agency) wants to go on an evidence-fishing trip, against both your own and your customer's interests.
The FBI hasn't asked for a preexisting key, or even just information; they've demanded nothing less than to have Apple spend time and money creating something that doesn't exist because Apple didn't want it to exist. And don't kid yourself about the "offer" to do it themselves if Apple gives them the source code - Have you ever seen the source code to any project bigger than "Hello World"? It would take *more* of Apple's time just helping the FBI set up a viable build environment. The FBI didn't ask for that because that makes it a lot more clear what they've really demanded - Slave labor. "Give us something similar to a key" sounds a lot more palatable than "do our bidding for no pay for a few weeks".
Really cold - Most people have no clue about the implications of these issues (if they even know about them).
A majority of people, for example, think Apple should roll over for the FBI "just this once" because terrorism, and they see the entire tech world rallying behind Apple (a near frickin' miracle to those of us in the trenches) as nothing but a bunch of damned elitist geeks trying to circle the wagons.
They take money in exchange for "acceptable ads". There are no acceptable ads for people like me
So turn them off - As simple as ticking off a checkbox. And if you find some still sneak through, you can manually add rules to block those. Don't blame ABP for your own laziness.
As for Ghostery, they fill a slightly different niche, but the way I see it, "still better than nothing". I'll take 99% tracker blocking over 0%.
How will be possible to have car chases in this case?
Hollywood already has two "new" tropes for this - Either every criminal drives classic hot-rods, or evil, evil "modders" who dare to think they own their cars exist as a distinct criminal segment right up there with slavers and pedos. Or both, of course.
Allegedly for help with the troublesome task of entering passwords from a mobile device, this co-opting of the device's camera function is a bit too Orwellian.
Even given how annoying most phones make it to enter non-alphanumeric characters, I can't help but think that I can still enter 8-12 random characters faster than finding a well-lit spot and performing a variety of selfie poses on command ("Sit... Beg... Play dead... Fat-girl pose... Roll over... Good human, here's your account!").
Dear Amazon - I love the convenience your services provide me, but if you ever require the use of this bullshit, I'll drop you faster than a sack of steaming turds.
Why would you think that? The laws of division don't change for different base representations. Division is division no matter how you write the number.
Because an awfully lot of "cool math tricks" have more to do with division mod 9/10/11 than any actual underlying structure of the numbers themselves. If this only worked in base 10, I'd tend to dismiss it as just another "gee how cool you just learned the pigeonhole principle" trick. But since it works in at least a few other bases, it suggests the presence of some real property influencing the distribution of primes.
80 million shuffling between central banks amounts to chump change. Even the full billion would barely raise eyebrows (less than 1% of the GDP of Bangladesh).
Not really - They've backed Apple into a corner. In response, Apple has only two logical next moves - Send all their platform-level development overseas ("You can thank the FBI for the loss of those 1500 highly paid American jobs"), and make the encryption truly unbreakable (absent some unknown weakness in the algorithms themselves), both at rest and in-transit.
Apple may well lose this round - But they can salt that field so deeply as to make Uncle Sam wish he'd never asked. "Gee, sorry, did we just make all your expensive Stingrays almost completely useless, boys? Oops, our bad, wink wink nudge nudge!"
You realize "landlord" doesn't count as a bad word, right? Not talking about "slumlord" here (sure, go ahead and shoot them), just your average Joe with a spare house or two who has taken the risk of letting someone else occupy it for a fee?
Without all the evil, evil landlords, those people currently complaining about the price of rent in SF would stop complaining - Because cardboard boxes come cheap.
If you take away the motivation to own property, instead of a socialist utopia, you end up with... Well, as the GP mentioned, China. And did you seriously mean to present the former USSR, collapsed under its own economic weight, as some sort of bastion of progressive ideology?
So, unless you're a mortgage-free homeowner, whoever holds the title on your property has the right (no quotes) to force you into indigency on a whim?
Pretty much, yeah. Don't like it? Buy. Can't afford to buy? Move. Really that simple.
Well, that'll do wonders for a stable society.
Artificial attempts to drive down the price of scarce goods have quite a colorful history. Summary: They always have exactly the opposite effect intended, effectively making those goods unavailable at any price except on the black market at 10-100x their "natural" price.
Do people in Japan suddenly feel better if they know they person they killed by running over them did it on purpose?
As an American, I sure as hell would!
Killing someone in the US, whether accidentally or not, comes with the potential for biiig civil liabilities. If they meant to die, that nicely nips any frivolous wrongful death suits in the bud.
Maybe because the odometer doesn't measure fuel use?
Okay, so why not just charge more for the fuel, no tracking required whatsoever.
We already have plenty of passive ways to calculate whatever we decide counts as a "fair share" of transportation infrastructure to its users. Anyone pushing for more active, GPS-based tracking has zero legitimate interest in allocating costs and every interest in having a readily available record of citizens' every movement.
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That's probably because you are a heterosexual man.
...Much like the vast majority of both the devs and the gamers Microsoft hopes to attract at events like this?
Considering that the phone is owned by the city of San Bernardino, and the FBI is asking on their behalf, what is the problem here?
Okay, if you want to play dumb and treat this like just another routine business transaction, how much would Apple normally charge a large customer to roll out a custom OS version just for them? If San Bernadino (no, not the FBI, who we fund) wants to pay a couple hundred million to unlock "their own" iPhone, I actually don't have a problem with that (but of course, the FBI has zero interest in that outcome, either) - Because that doesn't set a legal precedent for routinely ignoring the 4th and 13th amendments when the government finds it expedient to do so.
And, of course, as a routine business transaction - Apple should have the right to tell them to fuck right off without Tim Cook risking time in a cage as a result.
Registered voters...are you sure that there are over 3.6 billion of them?
Given that neither I nor either of those sources claim that - Whatchoo talkin' bout, Willis?
Oh fuck off, it is not slavery in any fashion
Come mow my lawn, for free (because we might find terrorists hiding in the tall grass), or I'll have you kidnapped and locked in a cage until you agree to do so.
How, exactly, does that differ from slavery?
Just over half (51 percent) of registered voters say Apple should unlock the phone, while 33 percent say the company shouldn’t. Sixteen percent don’t know or care.
News about a federal court ordering Apple to unlock the suspect’s iPhone has registered widely with the public: 75% say they have heard either a lot (39%) or a little (36%) about the situation.
Put in the backdoor, but make it only work for the next month or so. FBI gets to hack this one phone, but can't do anything with this backdoor in the future.
This has almost nothing to do with whether or not the FBI can reuse the backdoor. It doesn't even really have much to do with encryption, except as a thin veneer over the real issues.
Rather, this one case will set a precedent for decades to come about whether the government can compel you, Joe Average, into involuntary servitude (aka "slavery") just because the FBI (or any other "legit" law enforcement agency) wants to go on an evidence-fishing trip, against both your own and your customer's interests.
The FBI hasn't asked for a preexisting key, or even just information; they've demanded nothing less than to have Apple spend time and money creating something that doesn't exist because Apple didn't want it to exist. And don't kid yourself about the "offer" to do it themselves if Apple gives them the source code - Have you ever seen the source code to any project bigger than "Hello World"? It would take *more* of Apple's time just helping the FBI set up a viable build environment. The FBI didn't ask for that because that makes it a lot more clear what they've really demanded - Slave labor. "Give us something similar to a key" sounds a lot more palatable than "do our bidding for no pay for a few weeks".
I respond on these topics just to point out that not even everyone with the tech community agrees with this SJW element.
I too like poking fun at SJWs at every opportunity, but seriously, what? Did you reply to the wrong comment?
Not so good with teh Googles, eh? Here, LMGTFY:
"Most Americans still think Apple should comply with FBI orders, new poll shows "
"Poll: Apple Should Help FBI Unlock Terrorism Suspect's iPhone"
"More Support for Justice Department Than for Apple in Dispute Over Unlocking iPhone"
It's like we're in a cold revolution!
Really cold - Most people have no clue about the implications of these issues (if they even know about them).
A majority of people, for example, think Apple should roll over for the FBI "just this once" because terrorism, and they see the entire tech world rallying behind Apple (a near frickin' miracle to those of us in the trenches) as nothing but a bunch of damned elitist geeks trying to circle the wagons.
Does that sound like someone read the fine print? A Comcast rep promised me? Seriously?
Though often very hard to prove, verbal contracts have every bit as much legal validity as written ones.
If they promised service within 120 days and failed to do so, they breached their side of the contract, simple as that.
They take money in exchange for "acceptable ads". There are no acceptable ads for people like me
So turn them off - As simple as ticking off a checkbox. And if you find some still sneak through, you can manually add rules to block those. Don't blame ABP for your own laziness.
As for Ghostery, they fill a slightly different niche, but the way I see it, "still better than nothing". I'll take 99% tracker blocking over 0%.
How will be possible to have car chases in this case?
Hollywood already has two "new" tropes for this - Either every criminal drives classic hot-rods, or evil, evil "modders" who dare to think they own their cars exist as a distinct criminal segment right up there with slavers and pedos. Or both, of course.
Prime numbers have been studied for thousands of years. They're much more interesting than a trick of base ten
:)
D'oh... I totally misread what the GGP said. I agree with Chill (and you) completely.
Allegedly for help with the troublesome task of entering passwords from a mobile device, this co-opting of the device's camera function is a bit too Orwellian.
Even given how annoying most phones make it to enter non-alphanumeric characters, I can't help but think that I can still enter 8-12 random characters faster than finding a well-lit spot and performing a variety of selfie poses on command ("Sit... Beg... Play dead... Fat-girl pose... Roll over... Good human, here's your account!").
Dear Amazon - I love the convenience your services provide me, but if you ever require the use of this bullshit, I'll drop you faster than a sack of steaming turds.
Why would you think that? The laws of division don't change for different base representations. Division is division no matter how you write the number.
Because an awfully lot of "cool math tricks" have more to do with division mod 9/10/11 than any actual underlying structure of the numbers themselves. If this only worked in base 10, I'd tend to dismiss it as just another "gee how cool you just learned the pigeonhole principle" trick. But since it works in at least a few other bases, it suggests the presence of some real property influencing the distribution of primes.
especially for this kind of amount of money
80 million shuffling between central banks amounts to chump change. Even the full billion would barely raise eyebrows (less than 1% of the GDP of Bangladesh).
Cellular networks don't work the way you think they do.
If you believe their lies about only using Stingrays to capture call metadata, I have a bridge to send you...
But renters aren't owning property, and landlords don't see the value in establishing relationships with tenants.
And you see the problem there as...?
Should any other services entitle the buyer to a perpetual "right" to its continuance or relationship with the provider?
blaming Socialism is silly
True, socialism counts as a symptom, not a cause.
Well played.
Not really - They've backed Apple into a corner. In response, Apple has only two logical next moves - Send all their platform-level development overseas ("You can thank the FBI for the loss of those 1500 highly paid American jobs"), and make the encryption truly unbreakable (absent some unknown weakness in the algorithms themselves), both at rest and in-transit.
Apple may well lose this round - But they can salt that field so deeply as to make Uncle Sam wish he'd never asked. "Gee, sorry, did we just make all your expensive Stingrays almost completely useless, boys? Oops, our bad, wink wink nudge nudge!"
You realize "landlord" doesn't count as a bad word, right? Not talking about "slumlord" here (sure, go ahead and shoot them), just your average Joe with a spare house or two who has taken the risk of letting someone else occupy it for a fee?
Without all the evil, evil landlords, those people currently complaining about the price of rent in SF would stop complaining - Because cardboard boxes come cheap.
If you take away the motivation to own property, instead of a socialist utopia, you end up with... Well, as the GP mentioned, China. And did you seriously mean to present the former USSR, collapsed under its own economic weight, as some sort of bastion of progressive ideology?
Shoot the landlords and move the poor in wholesale... Also worked in China.
"Murder the fiscally responsible", love it! And to think some people call SJWs a bit over-the-top!
But waitasec - Doesn't your fear of guns override your desire to take away the incentives for people to bother earning their living?
So, unless you're a mortgage-free homeowner, whoever holds the title on your property has the right (no quotes) to force you into indigency on a whim?
Pretty much, yeah. Don't like it? Buy. Can't afford to buy? Move. Really that simple.
Well, that'll do wonders for a stable society.
Artificial attempts to drive down the price of scarce goods have quite a colorful history. Summary: They always have exactly the opposite effect intended, effectively making those goods unavailable at any price except on the black market at 10-100x their "natural" price.
Do people in Japan suddenly feel better if they know they person they killed by running over them did it on purpose?
As an American, I sure as hell would!
Killing someone in the US, whether accidentally or not, comes with the potential for biiig civil liabilities. If they meant to die, that nicely nips any frivolous wrongful death suits in the bud.
Maybe because the odometer doesn't measure fuel use?
Okay, so why not just charge more for the fuel, no tracking required whatsoever.
We already have plenty of passive ways to calculate whatever we decide counts as a "fair share" of transportation infrastructure to its users. Anyone pushing for more active, GPS-based tracking has zero legitimate interest in allocating costs and every interest in having a readily available record of citizens' every movement.
So how's that Altair 8800 working for you, Mr. Hardcore?