Strawman unless you can make the case that Civil Rights Legislation was designed to "blow away" racism "in a matter of minutes".
or at all. It was about structure of the market, now thoughts in hearts and minds. Commingling has the added benefit of reducing racism (particularly where there's so little to actually differentiate the divided folks), but that's not a goal of the CRA.
No, government refused to/stop/ segregation. Jim crow laws required public segregation -- the lunch counters and other public establishments regulated by the CRA were "market driven" private establishments.
Rachel Maddow in mid-2010: "Would you have voted for passage of the Civil Rights Acts?"
Candidate Rand Paul: "Yes. Though I disagree with certain portions of it, I think overall the bill was a positive good, so I would have voted for passage of the bill."
Note these are ot exact-quotes but quoting from memory. The video is on youtube if you need a cite. Being at work I cannot access youtube myself, but since you're an engineer I'm sure you can figure-out how to use their search engine. Peace.:-)
The tape says:
Let me be clear: I support the Civil Rights Act because I overwhelmingly agree with the intent of the legislation, which was to stop discrimination in the public sphere and halt the abhorrent practice of segregation and Jim Crow laws," he said.
Where is that "I would have voted for it" part you claim was there? Oh wait, it isn't, because he didn't say that. He has in fact repeatedly come out against the provisions of the CRA that require business that are open to the public to serve all comers regardless of skin color.
As for the rest of your noise, no I don't care that there are people that don't like white people and would please like to be able to keep them out of their churches. How is that relevant to your freedom to travel and live your life without being excluded from services made available to the public based upon the color of your skin? I thought you people were/for/ economic freedoms.
Of course my freedoms and rights are inherent. But they stop at the tip of your nose. When I open my business to the public, but exclude you, I harm you. I may not be striking you physically, but I inflict an economic wound. When dozens or hundreds (or in the case of the deep south before the CRA, basically everyone) agree to do the same thing we stop you from exercising your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I believe conservatives are fond of replacing happiness in that sentence with "money" which works even better in this analysis.
So leave, you say, travel to where you can live free!
Okay -- except the gas stations along the highway won't sell me gas. I'm not allowed on the trains. The buses don't go between towns. I guess I can ride a horse -- but no one will give me a place to rest my head at night, food for me or my horse. In fact, pretty much the only place I/can/ get food is when I work a job and get access to the company store. They take my money (all of it) in exchange for the staples I need to live.
Ever notice the intersection between Platonic theory and the design of OO software? Particularly when you start talking about building out three dimensional (actually flat) spaces that are so real (completely fake) that they fool the mind into thinking you're looking through a window into an alternate reality.
Clearly this has nothing to do with the fact that 100 years after the end of slavery the "free market" had shown that it was perfectly willing to get together and conspire to keep black folks in abject poverty and deny them access to goods and services. When the Constitution was amended to give blacks equal rights the Southern Court's ruled that the clear and obvious interpretation of those new amendments was wrong -- that blacks didn't have the right to equal treatment, and if they did, they could at least be kept separate.
Fantasies about the mythical market unicorn didn't solve the problem. Years of protests didn't solve the problem. LBJ solved the problem. And it has stayed solved. Show me one self-inflicted market reform that has ever worked as well.
If you don't you're off in the land of cognitive dissonance. Refusing to serve people at your establishment because of the color of their skin is sort of the definition of how racists publicly express their hatred.
Just don't travel! You seem to forget that travel is a privilege not a right. You can choose just to stay safely ensconced in your home. Have no fear about that little loss of liberty, in exchange we give you some safety.
Evi dosen't do slashdot. I also didn't dictate that with google's voice-rec. You can tell because the word is misspelled, rather than replaced with the wrong word.
News flash - if you're not moderate, you're part of the problem.
When I was in High School I was to the right of center. In college I was slightly left of center. Now I'm way over on the left. Oddly enough, I haven't changed any of my positions on the issues.
Don't forget leads to investments in research and development that give us idle little things like -- plastics, modern computers, lasers... etc. Clearly, there is no value in space.
But the energy and mining industries are pretty safe and responsible right?
Well -- when you add in that "pretty" modifier -- yes. The exceptions are devastating, but the massive majority of resource collection goes on with causing environmental catastrophes (possible exception -- mountain top removal coal mining).
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Strawman unless you can make the case that Civil Rights Legislation was designed to "blow away" racism "in a matter of minutes".
or at all. It was about structure of the market, now thoughts in hearts and minds. Commingling has the added benefit of reducing racism (particularly where there's so little to actually differentiate the divided folks), but that's not a goal of the CRA.
segregation fixed.
But he's from Kenya!!
Racism -- still a problem.
False.
No, government refused to /stop/ segregation. Jim crow laws required public segregation -- the lunch counters and other public establishments regulated by the CRA were "market driven" private establishments.
Apparently my snark tag isn't flagging properly. The second line is a paraphrase of a famous quote you may have heard of.
/cough/ *snark* /cough/
Rachel Maddow in mid-2010: "Would you have voted for passage of the Civil Rights Acts?" Candidate Rand Paul: "Yes. Though I disagree with certain portions of it, I think overall the bill was a positive good, so I would have voted for passage of the bill." Note these are ot exact-quotes but quoting from memory. The video is on youtube if you need a cite. Being at work I cannot access youtube myself, but since you're an engineer I'm sure you can figure-out how to use their search engine. Peace. :-)
The tape says:
Let me be clear: I support the Civil Rights Act because I overwhelmingly agree with the intent of the legislation, which was to stop discrimination in the public sphere and halt the abhorrent practice of segregation and Jim Crow laws," he said.
Where is that "I would have voted for it" part you claim was there? Oh wait, it isn't, because he didn't say that. He has in fact repeatedly come out against the provisions of the CRA that require business that are open to the public to serve all comers regardless of skin color.
/for/ economic freedoms.
As for the rest of your noise, no I don't care that there are people that don't like white people and would please like to be able to keep them out of their churches. How is that relevant to your freedom to travel and live your life without being excluded from services made available to the public based upon the color of your skin? I thought you people were
Of course my freedoms and rights are inherent. But they stop at the tip of your nose. When I open my business to the public, but exclude you, I harm you. I may not be striking you physically, but I inflict an economic wound. When dozens or hundreds (or in the case of the deep south before the CRA, basically everyone) agree to do the same thing we stop you from exercising your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I believe conservatives are fond of replacing happiness in that sentence with "money" which works even better in this analysis.
/can/ get food is when I work a job and get access to the company store. They take my money (all of it) in exchange for the staples I need to live.
So leave, you say, travel to where you can live free!
Okay -- except the gas stations along the highway won't sell me gas. I'm not allowed on the trains. The buses don't go between towns. I guess I can ride a horse -- but no one will give me a place to rest my head at night, food for me or my horse. In fact, pretty much the only place I
That's a great life, no?
insisting on Aristotlean physics
Ever notice the intersection between Platonic theory and the design of OO software? Particularly when you start talking about building out three dimensional (actually flat) spaces that are so real (completely fake) that they fool the mind into thinking you're looking through a window into an alternate reality.
The Allegory of the Cave at work.
Well.. some of that is probably true.
Clearly this has nothing to do with the fact that 100 years after the end of slavery the "free market" had shown that it was perfectly willing to get together and conspire to keep black folks in abject poverty and deny them access to goods and services. When the Constitution was amended to give blacks equal rights the Southern Court's ruled that the clear and obvious interpretation of those new amendments was wrong -- that blacks didn't have the right to equal treatment, and if they did, they could at least be kept separate.
Fantasies about the mythical market unicorn didn't solve the problem. Years of protests didn't solve the problem. LBJ solved the problem. And it has stayed solved. Show me one self-inflicted market reform that has ever worked as well.
If you don't you're off in the land of cognitive dissonance. Refusing to serve people at your establishment because of the color of their skin is sort of the definition of how racists publicly express their hatred.
Just don't travel! You seem to forget that travel is a privilege not a right. You can choose just to stay safely ensconced in your home. Have no fear about that little loss of liberty, in exchange we give you some safety.
He thinks the Civil Rights Act was federal overreach -- because the Fed has no business telling private enterprise that they must serve black people.
Still think that way?
Are you sure about that? They look pretty much the same to me.
1. Any user who hasn't been around for at least a decade is automatically a shill
If I say yes, will you go away?
--GiH
Evi dosen't do slashdot. I also didn't dictate that with google's voice-rec. You can tell because the word is misspelled, rather than replaced with the wrong word.
Tey evi with google voice rec. Often suprises me how well it works.
In theory, theory always works. In practice it often doesn't.
Interesting theory.
News flash - if you're not moderate, you're part of the problem.
When I was in High School I was to the right of center. In college I was slightly left of center. Now I'm way over on the left. Oddly enough, I haven't changed any of my positions on the issues.
Don't forget leads to investments in research and development that give us idle little things like -- plastics, modern computers, lasers ... etc. Clearly, there is no value in space.
One way to ensure survival of the species -- get the fuck off earth.
But the energy and mining industries are pretty safe and responsible right?
Well -- when you add in that "pretty" modifier -- yes. The exceptions are devastating, but the massive majority of resource collection goes on with causing environmental catastrophes (possible exception -- mountain top removal coal mining).
That said -- gosh that's a scary thought.
He's actually done a number of programs for NPR too . . . which as you might imagine don't work well with miming.
for example this piece on magic and trickery.
-GIH
Yes, hatred. A classic basis for reasoned political discourse.