They put out the OS, it is up to the software vendors to make sure their software works with the OS.
And -- more importantly in this case, apply for certification if they wish to become certified. Microsoft isn't sending out a guy with a torch in the dark, knocking on companies' doors.;-)
Wasn't DX10 supposed to be this new big thing and there was to be loads of games made for it... where are they now?
Supreme Commander was recently released, and it's an awesome game.:-) Many others are in development, such as Hellgate London, Age of Conan, etc. You can't expect too many games to be released just a month after the graphics API is. Only those developers that have closely cooperated with Microsoft will have games ready "early". The masses will instead primarly work on what's released, not plan to be out when the API is released.
Maybe you should just do background research instead of spreading FUD.
I'm not surprised to see OpenOffice and FireFox missing from that list. MS should be doing the work to get all these apps to run on their OS, but I can clearly see why they don't care about those two pieces. But Adobe Photoshop?? What's wrong with them? Are they purposefully trying to herd the remaining Windows-artists to Macs? What a stupid move
It's simple; these guys may not have contacted MS for certification, or made it a priority. It's unrelated to if the software works, and it's most certainly not MS that "picks" software to certify. It's the developers that apply and have to pass some basic guidelines. From my experiences with MS certification, I think Firefox is a kind of app that would have passed if they had applied, but I see no news anywhere that the Mozilla Foundation ever even did apply.
I was a bit suprised to see Google's desktop search made the list though.
Why? Because Google had contacted MS for certification? You make it sound like it's MS that picks the software to certify on a whim. It's the developers that apply. Obviously... As usual with any sort of certification.
Agreed; as someone who have personally developed certified Windows software, I can tell you that a passed certfication involves several things, including user-level profiles instead of just machine-level profiles, proper installers, etc. It has basically nothing to do with if the app is compatible with Vista, that's just the most basic of the requirements. And, of course, if you don't even contact MS for certification, don't expect it to show up on any lists.
I have heard statements like "If only Mac has this and that software, I would switch in a second" or "If only Linux has more games, I would leave Windows forever".
So now that Windows doesn't have support for this and that software, it has given users a chance to revisit those statements above and make a decision.
Please note that a missing inclusion on that list doesn't mean it doesn't work on Vista. It's just that Microsoft won't test all software in existence.
"C++" was never "in reality" C++/CLI; before they changed to that branding, it was "Managed C++". And no, there's little evidence saying the Mono devs are deep inside of Microsoft's censored.
Except if you happen to have to use Windows for one reason or another. Then you can just as well take an upgrade, because after all is said and done, there's a lot of feature improvements to see here over XP, sarcasms aside. Opinions like yours just show how brainwashed some of you guys really are. I very much like shadow copies, integrated indexed searching and tagging throughout the OS, the kernel improvements for user mode drivers, and much more in there.
It is all of that other crap like DRM running in the background that is causing everything to slow down.
What an uninformed opinion.:-p
First, what do you mean by "DRM crap"?
Second, the protected audio and video paths in Vista that causes data processing to consume some performance only kicks in when playing back protected HD media. Not when playing back unprotected content of any kind, not when playing games, not when writing Word documents, not when browsing pr0n.
If you've got XGB of RAM, you may as well *use* it to cache commonly used data etc. and speed up your system, rather than just have it sit there like a lemon. Please tell me how doing this "shows poor design"?
Oh come on -- it's poor design in Vista, it's good design in Firefox!
"Unfortunately, in all the benchmarks seen here, it was still unable to catch Intel's Core 2 Duo E6700 chip at 2.66GHz"
No shit, Sherlock. Core Duo is 32-bit and can only run 32-bit XP or Vista. When you limit a 64-bit processor to a 32-bit OS, of course you're most likely gonna get your ass nailed to the wall.
First, we're talking of Core 2 here, not Core (that's an older CPU generation), and any Core 2 processor is a 64-bit processor.
The "problem" (from AMD's POV) is however that Core 2 Duo generally overtakes the current generation Athlon 64's also in non-synthetic tests. I can't say I'm noticing much of an advantageous difference towards Intel's position only in the synthetic tests. The time it was about FEAR, Q4, Cinebench (actually giving an even more impressive lead than 3DMark tested right next to it), LAME, next time it may be about other real world applications.
One source at a major OEM who spoke on condition of anonymity said that the real issue is that OEMs are still not sure which PCs are really ready to support Vista, and which PCs aren't..
Huh? MS has already released recommended specs.
It ran quite well on my old P4 2.6 GHz, 1 GB RAM and Geforce 6600 GT...
That is, far below what e.g. Dell has sold the past few years.
Supposedly improved security for Windows users, which in turn may use Windows for a number of reasons, often being software support and either incompatibility or inconvenience with either emulators or VM's.
I just fail to understand why we should care (from a Canadian point of view). Why should we let the Americans control our internal policy?
I'm offended and frankly would be extremely angry if Canada bowed to this pressure.
Canada has both signed the Berne Convention and is member of the WTO... I agree USA alone shouldn't dictate these things, but if USA raise this topic at the international organizations and an agreement is made with the US, I can understand why Canada would have to bow to this.
South Korea and its partners in international efforts to dismantle North Korea's nuclear weapons programs welcomed on Wednesday the agreement reached in Beijing to shut the Communist state's main nuclear reactor.
... could be a case of copyright infrigement on the International Herald Tribune?!
Besides, why are these guys trying to stop Google from linking to their web site?
17. Neutral point of view confounded by fact that most people here are fairly left wing.
Really, why is this so? I'm not questioning you, I've seen the same thing, there, on Digg, and elsewhere? I wonder why it's the case when the US population seem to be quite evenly split.
( note: I'm a foreigner so if this is "obvious" knowledge to any American, please excuse me:-) )
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And -- more importantly in this case, apply for certification if they wish to become certified.
Microsoft isn't sending out a guy with a torch in the dark, knocking on companies' doors.
Certification != compatibility.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_certificatio
Wasn't DX10 supposed to be this new big thing and there was to be loads of games made for it... where are they now?
:-) Many others are in development, such as Hellgate London, Age of Conan, etc. You can't expect too many games to be released just a month after the graphics API is. Only those developers that have closely cooperated with Microsoft will have games ready "early". The masses will instead primarly work on what's released, not plan to be out when the API is released.
Supreme Commander was recently released, and it's an awesome game.
Maybe you should just do background research instead of spreading FUD.
It's simple; these guys may not have contacted MS for certification, or made it a priority. It's unrelated to if the software works, and it's most certainly not MS that "picks" software to certify. It's the developers that apply and have to pass some basic guidelines. From my experiences with MS certification, I think Firefox is a kind of app that would have passed if they had applied, but I see no news anywhere that the Mozilla Foundation ever even did apply.
I was a bit suprised to see Google's desktop search made the list though.
Why? Because Google had contacted MS for certification?
You make it sound like it's MS that picks the software to certify on a whim. It's the developers that apply.
Obviously... As usual with any sort of certification.
Agreed; as someone who have personally developed certified Windows software, I can tell you that a passed certfication involves several things, including user-level profiles instead of just machine-level profiles, proper installers, etc. It has basically nothing to do with if the app is compatible with Vista, that's just the most basic of the requirements. And, of course, if you don't even contact MS for certification, don't expect it to show up on any lists.
Please note that a missing inclusion on that list doesn't mean it doesn't work on Vista.
It's just that Microsoft won't test all software in existence.
Yeah -- whatever, especially when RealBasic isn't free and the VB.NET marketshare is enormous in comparison.
A) Most VB applications are tightly linked to OS and application-specific libraries.
.NET Framework.
.NET code though. And helping to bring VB .NET developers to Mono.
Much less so than VB 6 though, due to the
C) Anyone versed enough in languages to be using MONO is probably not married to any language--and certainly not VB
A lot is about easily compiling (existing) VB
So, other than being novel, what's the point?
Giving developers more choices to either port or develop code to Linux and other platforms.
"C++" was never "in reality" C++/CLI; before they changed to that branding, it was "Managed C++".
And no, there's little evidence saying the Mono devs are deep inside of Microsoft's censored.
Vista is the upgrade no-one wants.
Except if you happen to have to use Windows for one reason or another. Then you can just as well take an upgrade, because after all is said and done, there's a lot of feature improvements to see here over XP, sarcasms aside. Opinions like yours just show how brainwashed some of you guys really are. I very much like shadow copies, integrated indexed searching and tagging throughout the OS, the kernel improvements for user mode drivers, and much more in there.
Granted my new MacBook Pro outperforms it in every respect, but still it ran well enough no to be annoying.
This isn't about "running well", this article is about adding memory to the point where not much more will mean anything.
Vista will also run "good enough to get most of your work done" on 1 GB. No surprises there.
It is all of that other crap like DRM running in the background that is causing everything to slow down.
:-p
What an uninformed opinion.
First, what do you mean by "DRM crap"?
Second, the protected audio and video paths in Vista that causes data processing to consume some performance only kicks in when playing back protected HD media. Not when playing back unprotected content of any kind, not when playing games, not when writing Word documents, not when browsing pr0n.
Oh come on -- it's poor design in Vista, it's good design in Firefox!
But if you turn off Aero and all that stuff, why bother upgrading in the first place?
Hi!
You seem to be looking for a Windows Vista feature list.
Do you want me to find a Windows Vista feature list?
First, we're talking of Core 2 here, not Core (that's an older CPU generation), and any Core 2 processor is a 64-bit processor.
Not if the Intel CPU's are still price competitive, because that's all that matters to your end user.
But no, these Core 2 Duo's aren't quad processors -- in that case they'd be talking of QX6800's, not X6800's.
The "problem" (from AMD's POV) is however that Core 2 Duo generally overtakes the current generation Athlon 64's also in non-synthetic tests. I can't say I'm noticing much of an advantageous difference towards Intel's position only in the synthetic tests. The time it was about FEAR, Q4, Cinebench (actually giving an even more impressive lead than 3DMark tested right next to it), LAME, next time it may be about other real world applications.
A 32 bit OS. The real strength of the AMD 64 architecture is running in 64 bit mode
Same with Core 2 Duo, I might add.
But... But that would increase invention competition dramatically and you'd be able to invent improved stuff compared to the one who was first!
Huh? MS has already released recommended specs.
It ran quite well on my old P4 2.6 GHz, 1 GB RAM and Geforce 6600 GT...
That is, far below what e.g. Dell has sold the past few years.
Supposedly improved security for Windows users, which in turn may use Windows for a number of reasons, often being software support and either incompatibility or inconvenience with either emulators or VM's.
Canada has both signed the Berne Convention and is member of the WTO... I agree USA alone shouldn't dictate these things, but if USA raise this topic at the international organizations and an agreement is made with the US, I can understand why Canada would have to bow to this.
Besides, why are these guys trying to stop Google from linking to their web site?
17. Neutral point of view confounded by fact that most people here are fairly left wing.
:-) )
Really, why is this so? I'm not questioning you, I've seen the same thing, there, on Digg, and elsewhere?
I wonder why it's the case when the US population seem to be quite evenly split.
( note: I'm a foreigner so if this is "obvious" knowledge to any American, please excuse me