Why do I bet these would only be useful with one company's cable service?
I would hope so, that way they don't loose money on the hardware, and keep the idea going.
If they release the code (which as I understand it they have to). Then my local cable company (which brings me RoadRunner also) will make some of these boxes too. Maybe with updates!
One thing I've just realized (and never read, even here on/.) is that by using Linux they will be some competition between these companies.
X cable company makes a box, releases the code, then Y company changes this and that, and then Z company changes their changes and then they code till all hell breaks lose.
And there will be no unsafe business practices - cause it'll all be in the open right?
Is someone going to check all the code on one of these boxes to make sure they aren't sending my data back to home base?
Lets say you got a wireless thing in your city-you could run this in your car. Connect it to a windmill on your hood or roof (maybe several small ones).
Maybe you have a boat? Using the right gear ratio that wind could be easily used to run this thing. Now just add a monitor or some other low power display and boom! Maybe not a web server, but a client that downloads data about [tides|weather|sunrise/fall|slashdot articles].
This is what we need! Renewable energy computers. Hell, give me a solar panel, a few pentium 100's and we'll crack any distributed.net task they throw at us - and now black outs.
But I guess that would be the main use. Cali blackout - crank up the web server.
All in all, no matter what all those people above me posted - don't you think Bill would come up with a way to make money even if Linux took over Wednesday?
I do.
They would dummy it down, [open source it], sell CD's with tech support, and still make a fortune.
What people don't remember is, MS {with Word) made the first apple(mac?) word processor.
They would still make money. Just wait, Outlook for linux!
Wouldn't one solution be to not let it access the internet at all? This could be acheieved with ZoneAlarm if they are using a windows computer, and other non-easy solutions if you are on a linux or bsd system.
Is there a proxy server? It seems to be a short solution.
Yeah, we'd just get a new version of Windoze (at $99.99 no less) twice a week.
Employee: "Bill, we've got 2000 bug reports today what should we do?"
BillG: "Press a bunch of CD's, call them beta sofware, and charge them a fortune... ha ha ha"
Subscription software at it's full potential. Maybe we can find a use for P2P here, we'll need help from every to host all those revisions.
I have one of these boxes - which is supplied for Digital Cable here in Cincinnati, OH.
The cable company is Time Warner, and yes it has those ports. One idea could be a USB NIC. What would be kool is if I could plug my philips usb cam into the box, and video with other people in the neighborhood or even see it on the TV.
Could I verify a connection by hooking [directly] my nic to a nic plugged into the box? I know ppl are using there DC Nic to upload / download data.
There must be a hack waiting here. But I'm sure you'd have to run software on the box, which would be hard. Could I use my cable modem? Hmmmm... could my cable modem be used to flash the rom[nic to coax cable converter] ?
What could be done?
Damn... I should fuck with it some more. I do know to reset the box you unplug it for 15 secs and then when you plug it back in and turn it on hold the power button in [on the box]. You don't loose your settings but it reloads the channel guide and the streams. I've had problems at night watching TV and the screen turning blue or not getting the digital channels at all.
The lower channels, the non digital, get sound when the picture is out. The channels which get neither are the ones that fill in when you turn to them - those are the 'digital only' and movie channels.
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Well I'm in Cincinnati, and I see your Audi hauling ass, I'm gonna smack into it so I can sue you and get a Tivo myself.
The net is way better, but I can't turn my back on the TV.
30 hours of TV? Thats a lot of Discovery Science.
I think no one expects me to say this: I hate napster.
I've downloaded, and shared songs I had no right to, but the problem with Napster is - it made these practice main stream.
I didn't go over board, I couldn't - and the main reason I didn't download a lot of crap, and full albums and etc. is because I knew what I was doing was wrong.
When people whispered Napster to me - people who don't even own computers that asked if I used it, I said to them: "I have to be against this, it's a service that promotes piracy - point blank."
Even though I'm guilty of downloading and sharing MP3's I couldn't support a service, (a huge public service) which is based on downloading or distributing files that you don't have the right to.
Anyone who is really kewl, not an elite way, but in a common sense way, should know the service wouldn't last long or you were being set up for the kill.
Lets just pay like 3 cents a song and have banner ads or something and make it legit - sure! But who really expects a file sharing service like napster to be legal. I never even used napster except once, and really it pales in comparison to other file sharing services.
Lets set up a business model for bands to make cash, sure - but don't screw us, thats all I ask. Don't forget, people have shared files way before Napster started. If I want it I'll find it.
But people get over it - there is a million other services popping up. Besides if were really kewl, you'd download songs from USENET or some other ancient service.
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People seem to think that large corporations are a new thing. Well, they aren't. Look at the prime example - the British East India Company, probably the biggest company ever to have existed. It used to own all of India&Pakistan, had an army larger than any other power, had an internal economy larger than that of the UK at the time, and was by all accounts immense. However, it was a good company in its effects. It brought taxation and simple democracy to India. It breathed the first light of the west's wisdom on those dark and primitive lands.
The funny thing is; weren't the India-ns made into virtual slaves of that company? That company controled all facets of life - what they did controlled the people in direct and indirect ways.
They had a ban on making salt, we've all seen the movie Ghandi right?
p.s. MS provides none of those things you mention - and (!) you missed the whole point. Companies can lobby, they can buy votes and laws. But at the heart of your mind fart - MS *WAS* found that they are doing things not so legally - face it.
I know this is like a abortion debate, it goes on and on, but I just have to say about record companies and multibillion dollar software companies they are crooks!
For the RIAA I say this: Motown (Artists never got paid)
For MS/Roxio/Real.com : Windows XP (Control over what you can and can't do with your computer)
I'm not even going to mention RIAA folleys like Britney Spears (no talent, huge market), every Blues singer who is great, hard working and poor, $18 CD's (I could sell a local bands CD for $2 and make a huge profit.) and buying airtime.
It's a damn sham - what the real deep down problem is: loss of control. In many ways a record company is like a Facist Regime, control. If they buy radio time, chances are you can't hear the music you might like - blah blah
It makes my head hurt - sounds like Nazi's they had their 'propaganda machine' a radio. And through that they brainwashed the people. A stretch I know, but take a close look. It's all a sham, from MTV to your local station to Media Play and Sam Goodie.
At least these "service packs" come out.
People are complaining about how MacOS is slow to come out with updates, Windows comes out with good updates every two years and charge an arm and leg.
Plus you can't just recompile Windows every few months.
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i've posted to/. before saying I would love to host a Mandrake ISO or something in IDLE time. Why not? If someone finds me a cross-platform file sharing service, not free net and not mp3 only, I'll be glad to host something.
I guess if AOL won't listen to the rules in the GPL then why can someone hold me to a agreement I just go and click through?
What do people see in the future of this case?
Is this a huge plot to take the GPL down? Will Transmeta sue AOL since it's essentially their software (if the GPL don't matter).
Why AOL can't win the fight: If they attact the GPL then they will lose - it's the GPL that got them the code to the software in the first place. If a court says the GPL isn't binding then people will go scrambling to sue each other and hopefully it will all land on AOL's lap.
Otherwise, send Mandrake some money... I love those guys.
I don't really see Microsoft getting a market because the hype behind PS and PS2. I think the Dreamcast rocks, the apps for it aren't bad - and it's the first system where I said the graphics 100% rule.
I know that is somewhat up to developers to use 100% of what a system has, but MS as usual is going to either charge an arm in a leg for simple source, or nothing will really come out from them.
Everywhere I look I see PS games or PS2 adds - and only small dreamcast stuff. FUNCO Land, a crappy store which buys games for $4 and sells them for $40 has walls of PSone games and not much for DC. Infact they have a 'limited' supply of new games.
Sega got pushed out of market by the 1000 games which a lot are crap that sony people tossed out.
Red Alert 2 for DC that would rock, but I'm sure we'll see the likes on the X-Box. Which will crash a lot, it shutsdown my windows box when it closes!
In one year - Xbox will give way to Xbox2 and PS2 will run the market.
MS isn't selling games? Well they are buying game companies pretty quickly.
I just can't believe you are a developer. For one since you don't know what MS is selling game-wise. They are selling a lot of games. AOE for one, and all those games that are being built by other companies they swallowed. (who is building the X-box? What game is the flagship game? Tribes 2 isn't it? Did they write that?)
Second I just can't see that you're a developer at all since you are bashing people who code like you supposedly do. And don't you ever wonder why you are writing games that need more RAM and CPU power since they run on windows? Don't you get mad that your game won't work because of faulty OS programming - which you'll never get to change.
I can't write a Hello World program, but I know many people who write programs for windows, and they say it sucks. Hardly are the problems end users have are the writers fault - it's improper memory management or disk read write errors.
Why code for linux, it can't be a real OS! It doesn't cost an arm and a leg and isn't built on a business model.
Sure no one is buying linux games, but a lot are free, and there is only a few for pay games. I'm not going to run windows just to play some games - really that's fucking gay.
As for Norton and the like; we'll use Norton as an example. My Uncle, a computer whiz in his own right, used Norton Utils in the Windows 3.1 days - after he installed it he quickly learned that you can't just 'uninstall' it. He had to format the damn drive because of a faulty config file. Norton had stolen the system. So these guys are no better than MS - like what was said.
Because we can't see what Windows does or how it works in ANY way - you can't do much with it. You gotta buy crappy shareware or high priced ware to get it to do anything you want [in fact things you should be able to do].
Software houses like Norton just cash in when a new windows version comes out. I bet if you look at the income right after '95 came out you'll see a quick jump - I'm sure of it.
But when it comes to bundled apps - MS only will bundle apps that will help them in their other plans. It's not about innovation, it's not about function-ability, it's about what they are going to push in six months. Windows should be free - it's only to push the other crap they come up with.
It is criminal - and I for one say a class action lawsuit should be filed or something. They want to control every facet of you computing experience. Fuck 'em if I want to encode in a certain file format. Fuck 'em if I don't want to use their damn programs/office software. Fuck 'em in general.
Give us our computers back. I'm not going to claim 'free the data' or any such thing. I'm not going to ask them for their source code - but god damn, get off my wallet.
It's sad I need a shareware app [although I did find a freeware app eventually] to keep the memory clear, and bring the computer back from crawling. I've not rebooted linux ever 'just because it needed it'. So they can take that Linux Myths page down.
Just 'crack' into their system - leave some notes like: "all your personnel data belongs to us". Then if you could - back up their data on your computer/CD-Rom/Zip Drive and delete portions of it from their system.
The tricky thing is don't let them know you did it. If the other dev company is that lame you could always just cause some problems they won't be able to fix - but you will.
When you call the company a week later and see how their business is going with the other company and whammo! You fly in fix the problems, tell them the (restored from your backup) data wasn't lost, just misplaced and you are the cock of the walk.
But this is only if you want to play dirty - some people do. On the other hand you could just call and make routine checkups and try to sell other services. Warm calling is your safest bet since it's legal, and you have nothing to lose. If you sold them another service then you are free to suggest the other company is lax in securtiy.
I wouldn't just let it go if you want the job/customers - it's America, you have the right to pursue clients as much as you want.
I think companies that are into making the games "linux native" are doing good work.
Although all games and game developers don't mix well with Linux. So some games and other apps must run on top of Wine or other such emulation tricks. But is that really an answer? I wish I could run Red Alert, but it just doesn't work.
So my 2 cents is this: We need companies, game companies, to not ignore linux. If gaming houses kept linux in mind when making the games maybe we would have better games. But if they can't do it then hire someone else to provide the codeing for the port. The independent developer would sign what not to make sure they didn't rip off the code and promise not to bug them about open sourcing it all. [this could be a nice market for a company]
I don't want the source code, nor would I like to run the games through an emulator, but can we get games built for linux like people used to make them for macs?
Does MS give money to the game developers? Then why is it so hard to get them in our pocket? If they started making games for linux, since it has a nice desktop share, they would only snowball into a huge customer base.
Maybe we just need 1000 more programing layers like windows has. IDE's for this and that. Maybe bloatware is the answer?
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Why do I bet these would only be useful with one company's cable service?
I would hope so, that way they don't loose money on the hardware, and keep the idea going.
If they release the code (which as I understand it they have to). Then my local cable company (which brings me RoadRunner also) will make some of these boxes too. Maybe with updates!
One thing I've just realized (and never read, even here on /.) is that by using Linux they will be some competition between these companies.
X cable company makes a box, releases the code, then Y company changes this and that, and then Z company changes their changes and then they code till all hell breaks lose.
And there will be no unsafe business practices - cause it'll all be in the open right?
Is someone going to check all the code on one of these boxes to make sure they aren't sending my data back to home base?
Really, thats only one NT/2000 license.
well kinda, since this is about licenses.
If I find a Windows NT disk set (CD's and setup disks) and the license (piece of paper) in the garbage (I did, I swear) can I legally install it?
The whole thing was shirnk wrapped, not in a box, and even came with a manual.
I wouldn't install it though - it would be like pac-man and eat up my resources.
Hell, they are just coming to me now!
Lets say you got a wireless thing in your city-you could run this in your car. Connect it to a windmill on your hood or roof (maybe several small ones).
Maybe you have a boat? Using the right gear ratio that wind could be easily used to run this thing. Now just add a monitor or some other low power display and boom! Maybe not a web server, but a client that downloads data about [tides|weather|sunrise/fall|slashdot articles].
This is what we need! Renewable energy computers. Hell, give me a solar panel, a few pentium 100's and we'll crack any distributed.net task they throw at us - and now black outs.
But I guess that would be the main use. Cali blackout - crank up the web server.
All in all, no matter what all those people above me posted - don't you think Bill would come up with a way to make money even if Linux took over Wednesday?
I do.
They would dummy it down, [open source it], sell CD's with tech support, and still make a fortune.
What people don't remember is, MS {with Word) made the first apple(mac?) word processor.
They would still make money. Just wait, Outlook for linux!
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Is there any firewall that could help?
Wouldn't one solution be to not let it access the internet at all? This could be acheieved with ZoneAlarm if they are using a windows computer, and other non-easy solutions if you are on a linux or bsd system.
Is there a proxy server? It seems to be a short solution.
It's just a game right? -- It's just a joke before you get mad. -- No really! It's just a game!
All these feds are saying secure your computers like we do! Should I be worried someone in Swaziland is going to take me down?
Employee: "Bill, we've got 2000 bug reports today what should we do?" BillG: "Press a bunch of CD's, call them beta sofware, and charge them a fortune... ha ha ha"
Subscription software at it's full potential. Maybe we can find a use for P2P here, we'll need help from every to host all those revisions.
I smell civil war... maybe they are gangsters in Nevada trying to push their plans on the state?
Maybe it's Texas and Oklahoma, they are planning to annex with Mexico and take Cali with them.
Which is fine with me, I live in Ohio.
I have one of these boxes - which is supplied for Digital Cable here in Cincinnati, OH.
The cable company is Time Warner, and yes it has those ports. One idea could be a USB NIC. What would be kool is if I could plug my philips usb cam into the box, and video with other people in the neighborhood or even see it on the TV.
Could I verify a connection by hooking [directly] my nic to a nic plugged into the box? I know ppl are using there DC Nic to upload / download data.
There must be a hack waiting here. But I'm sure you'd have to run software on the box, which would be hard. Could I use my cable modem? Hmmmm... could my cable modem be used to flash the rom[nic to coax cable converter] ?
What could be done?
Damn... I should fuck with it some more. I do know to reset the box you unplug it for 15 secs and then when you plug it back in and turn it on hold the power button in [on the box]. You don't loose your settings but it reloads the channel guide and the streams. I've had problems at night watching TV and the screen turning blue or not getting the digital channels at all.
The lower channels, the non digital, get sound when the picture is out. The channels which get neither are the ones that fill in when you turn to them - those are the 'digital only' and movie channels.
Well I'm in Cincinnati, and I see your Audi hauling ass, I'm gonna smack into it so I can sue you and get a Tivo myself. The net is way better, but I can't turn my back on the TV. 30 hours of TV? Thats a lot of Discovery Science.
I think no one expects me to say this: I hate napster. I've downloaded, and shared songs I had no right to, but the problem with Napster is - it made these practice main stream. I didn't go over board, I couldn't - and the main reason I didn't download a lot of crap, and full albums and etc. is because I knew what I was doing was wrong. When people whispered Napster to me - people who don't even own computers that asked if I used it, I said to them: "I have to be against this, it's a service that promotes piracy - point blank." Even though I'm guilty of downloading and sharing MP3's I couldn't support a service, (a huge public service) which is based on downloading or distributing files that you don't have the right to. Anyone who is really kewl, not an elite way, but in a common sense way, should know the service wouldn't last long or you were being set up for the kill. Lets just pay like 3 cents a song and have banner ads or something and make it legit - sure! But who really expects a file sharing service like napster to be legal. I never even used napster except once, and really it pales in comparison to other file sharing services. Lets set up a business model for bands to make cash, sure - but don't screw us, thats all I ask. Don't forget, people have shared files way before Napster started. If I want it I'll find it. But people get over it - there is a million other services popping up. Besides if were really kewl, you'd download songs from USENET or some other ancient service. My two...
The funny thing is; weren't the India-ns made into virtual slaves of that company? That company controled all facets of life - what they did controlled the people in direct and indirect ways.
They had a ban on making salt, we've all seen the movie Ghandi right?
p.s. MS provides none of those things you mention - and (!) you missed the whole point. Companies can lobby, they can buy votes and laws. But at the heart of your mind fart - MS *WAS* found that they are doing things not so legally - face it.
I know this is like a abortion debate, it goes on and on, but I just have to say about record companies and multibillion dollar software companies they are crooks!
For the RIAA I say this: Motown (Artists never got paid)
For MS/Roxio/Real.com : Windows XP (Control over what you can and can't do with your computer)
I'm not even going to mention RIAA folleys like Britney Spears (no talent, huge market), every Blues singer who is great, hard working and poor, $18 CD's (I could sell a local bands CD for $2 and make a huge profit.) and buying airtime.
It's a damn sham - what the real deep down problem is: loss of control. In many ways a record company is like a Facist Regime, control. If they buy radio time, chances are you can't hear the music you might like - blah blah
It makes my head hurt - sounds like Nazi's they had their 'propaganda machine' a radio. And through that they brainwashed the people. A stretch I know, but take a close look. It's all a sham, from MTV to your local station to Media Play and Sam Goodie.
At least these "service packs" come out. People are complaining about how MacOS is slow to come out with updates, Windows comes out with good updates every two years and charge an arm and leg. Plus you can't just recompile Windows every few months.
i've posted to /. before saying I would love to host a Mandrake ISO or something in IDLE time. Why not? If someone finds me a cross-platform file sharing service, not free net and not mp3 only, I'll be glad to host something.
I guess if AOL won't listen to the rules in the GPL then why can someone hold me to a agreement I just go and click through?
What do people see in the future of this case?
Is this a huge plot to take the GPL down? Will Transmeta sue AOL since it's essentially their software (if the GPL don't matter).
Why AOL can't win the fight: If they attact the GPL then they will lose - it's the GPL that got them the code to the software in the first place. If a court says the GPL isn't binding then people will go scrambling to sue each other and hopefully it will all land on AOL's lap.
Otherwise, send Mandrake some money... I love those guys.
But my Dreamcast runs BSD!
I don't really see Microsoft getting a market because the hype behind PS and PS2. I think the Dreamcast rocks, the apps for it aren't bad - and it's the first system where I said the graphics 100% rule.
I know that is somewhat up to developers to use 100% of what a system has, but MS as usual is going to either charge an arm in a leg for simple source, or nothing will really come out from them.
Everywhere I look I see PS games or PS2 adds - and only small dreamcast stuff. FUNCO Land, a crappy store which buys games for $4 and sells them for $40 has walls of PSone games and not much for DC. Infact they have a 'limited' supply of new games.
Sega got pushed out of market by the 1000 games which a lot are crap that sony people tossed out.
Red Alert 2 for DC that would rock, but I'm sure we'll see the likes on the X-Box. Which will crash a lot, it shutsdown my windows box when it closes!
In one year - Xbox will give way to Xbox2 and PS2 will run the market.
MS isn't selling games? Well they are buying game companies pretty quickly.
I just can't believe you are a developer. For one since you don't know what MS is selling game-wise. They are selling a lot of games. AOE for one, and all those games that are being built by other companies they swallowed. (who is building the X-box? What game is the flagship game? Tribes 2 isn't it? Did they write that?)
Second I just can't see that you're a developer at all since you are bashing people who code like you supposedly do. And don't you ever wonder why you are writing games that need more RAM and CPU power since they run on windows? Don't you get mad that your game won't work because of faulty OS programming - which you'll never get to change.
I can't write a Hello World program, but I know many people who write programs for windows, and they say it sucks. Hardly are the problems end users have are the writers fault - it's improper memory management or disk read write errors.
Why code for linux, it can't be a real OS! It doesn't cost an arm and a leg and isn't built on a business model.
Sure no one is buying linux games, but a lot are free, and there is only a few for pay games. I'm not going to run windows just to play some games - really that's fucking gay.
Because we can't see what Windows does or how it works in ANY way - you can't do much with it. You gotta buy crappy shareware or high priced ware to get it to do anything you want [in fact things you should be able to do].
Software houses like Norton just cash in when a new windows version comes out. I bet if you look at the income right after '95 came out you'll see a quick jump - I'm sure of it.
But when it comes to bundled apps - MS only will bundle apps that will help them in their other plans. It's not about innovation, it's not about function-ability, it's about what they are going to push in six months. Windows should be free - it's only to push the other crap they come up with.
It is criminal - and I for one say a class action lawsuit should be filed or something. They want to control every facet of you computing experience. Fuck 'em if I want to encode in a certain file format. Fuck 'em if I don't want to use their damn programs/office software. Fuck 'em in general.
Give us our computers back. I'm not going to claim 'free the data' or any such thing. I'm not going to ask them for their source code - but god damn, get off my wallet.
It's sad I need a shareware app [although I did find a freeware app eventually] to keep the memory clear, and bring the computer back from crawling. I've not rebooted linux ever 'just because it needed it'. So they can take that Linux Myths page down.
FUCK MICROSOFT! Doesn't Bill Gates' name equal 666 in ascii anyways?
Netscape is only a small portion of a large company. It was a free browser before it was open source.
I thought the browser wasn't the money maker anyways. Just like MS's plan - the server software is where it's at.
http://home.netscape.com wasn't my default homepage - Linux Mandrake's site was.
I'm just pissed 'cause nutscrape doesn't catch my wheel.
Just 'crack' into their system - leave some notes like: "all your personnel data belongs to us". Then if you could - back up their data on your computer/CD-Rom/Zip Drive and delete portions of it from their system.
The tricky thing is don't let them know you did it. If the other dev company is that lame you could always just cause some problems they won't be able to fix - but you will.
When you call the company a week later and see how their business is going with the other company and whammo! You fly in fix the problems, tell them the (restored from your backup) data wasn't lost, just misplaced and you are the cock of the walk.
But this is only if you want to play dirty - some people do. On the other hand you could just call and make routine checkups and try to sell other services. Warm calling is your safest bet since it's legal, and you have nothing to lose. If you sold them another service then you are free to suggest the other company is lax in securtiy.
I wouldn't just let it go if you want the job/customers - it's America, you have the right to pursue clients as much as you want.
I think companies that are into making the games "linux native" are doing good work.
Although all games and game developers don't mix well with Linux. So some games and other apps must run on top of Wine or other such emulation tricks. But is that really an answer? I wish I could run Red Alert, but it just doesn't work.
So my 2 cents is this: We need companies, game companies, to not ignore linux. If gaming houses kept linux in mind when making the games maybe we would have better games. But if they can't do it then hire someone else to provide the codeing for the port. The independent developer would sign what not to make sure they didn't rip off the code and promise not to bug them about open sourcing it all. [this could be a nice market for a company]
I don't want the source code, nor would I like to run the games through an emulator, but can we get games built for linux like people used to make them for macs?
Does MS give money to the game developers? Then why is it so hard to get them in our pocket? If they started making games for linux, since it has a nice desktop share, they would only snowball into a huge customer base.
Maybe we just need 1000 more programing layers like windows has. IDE's for this and that. Maybe bloatware is the answer?