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Does anyone know if USB is working yet ? I keep getting the infamous "USB not accepting new address" error (happens right when you plug in a USB device). I found plenty of posts in newgroups stating the same problem but have not seen a reply yet. I want USB bad............
MNU?
Veritas is doing a Linux port, but it
is a closed-source module. It is not done
yet either.
In fine Linux tradition, we write our own
damn VxFS driver. Why wait for a binary
when you can have source?
You mean that the transition to the FreeBSD VM system is finally complete?
Admittedly the last one I've tried personally was 2.4.4-ac8, which started killing pieces of KDE when I was simulataneously recompiling the kernel and Qt!
;)
Well, he does work for Redhat you know
Upgrade to Slackware-current (pre-7.2) and 2.4.4 on the kernel.
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So I fire up X, and use it for a while. Within a short amount of time, the screen blanker starts to come on only in X within one second. This usually happens after heavy disk usage, perhaps after a run of mkisofs to create a CD image that I am about to burn. So I say what the hell, and fire up a terminal window and type 'xset off' to kill the blanker.
I decide to fire up a timer based video game. Quake 3 will suffice for an example. I enter a map, and the sky is moving very quickly. I fire a rocket and the explosion blinks at the end of the hallway immediately.
I have written code in the past with SDL's cross platform timer, and however they implement it in Linux is also broken, because code that I have written is no longer timed correctly.
The timing for my machine is broken. The only way I can fix this is to reboot. My system clock is running at a normal speed, and this doesn't happen in Windows 2000. This is a bug in the GNU/Linux system.
I'm going to try the new kernel version, but after reading the changelog, I don't have much hope for 2.4.5.
Has anyone else experienced this? It's VERY troubling.
X -version returns 4.0.2, though I have tested 4.0 and 4.0.1.
uname -r returns 2.4.4, though I have tried every kernel since 2.4.0.
/lib/libc.so.6 returns version 2.1.2 compiled by egcs.
I have a Quadro 2, however I have also tested a TNT2 Ultra.
hdparm is set to DMA on on my IDE drive.
I have an AMD/750 with a VIA chipset.
I'm using the NVidia binary-only drivers, though the problem persists with the stock NVidia drivers that come with XFree (tried 4.0 and 4.0.2)
My distro is Slackware 7.0.
All the major distros are now including openssl/openssh standard (Red Hat, Mandrake, etc.). Why not include the full crypto support for loop devices and the like? Make it an option in the setup to create secure, passphrase mounted filesystesm using blowfish, AES, IDEA, cast128, etc.?
As of Solaris 7, you can remount your volumes
with the "logging" parameter.
Solaris also comes with volume management built in.
-fialar
Solaris Administrator
1. go back to linux 2.4.3 (2.4.4 has serious problems)
2. wait for an official freeswan update, http://www.freeswan.org/
3. Try the bleeding-edge snapshots from freeswan.
(BTW, Freeswan adds IPSec to Linux)
Service Packs, I believe, contain fixes for a ton of different programs and such. Since this is exclusively the kernel that is getting updated, it's not really a "pack".
The point about not changing things that work is still valid, although in this case, it's only changing a single thing; it won't make all of your software behave differently.
Non-executable stacks can still be exploited, but the exploits that are easy to write and work on most machine won't work. While it does give you a false sense of security, it means that someone searching for a machine to exploit will probably move on. Of course, if everyone used it, attackers would get around it, but it's helpful for now.
I would. For me, the turning point was 2.4.4. We had a few stability issues with earlier 2.4 kernels, but 2.4.4 has been rock solid. That's not to say I'd rush out and upgrade a perfectly functioning 2.2 server farm, but if I was building one from scratch, it'd be 2.4 all the way.
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
Erm, I'm using an Epson 1240U USB scanner (and a USB mouse, for that matter) on my FreeBSD box. I'm also printing to a Winprinter (Epson Color Stylus 440). All this on a 4.3-STABLE installation, meaning that I'm running a standard, non-developmental system.
I assure you that FreeBSD's hardware support is not nearly as dire as you might think.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
As a minor nit real time kernels do not require kernel pre-emption. The require a bounded maximum interrupt latency time. In theory the bound can even be high (100+ms, or hours even). In practice the bound has to be low just like you said. In practice kernel pre-emption is the simplest way to do it (one could also use a true micro kernel that only passes messages, and does that really fast, making all of the "real work" done in premptable user level code).
There is also the difference between hard and soft real time. Soft real time like a video game can't handle going above the stated latency very much or the animation will stutter and the user will become displeased and play a different game, but it can handle once in a while blowing the stated latency. Hard real time can't handle missing the promised latency, a computerized fuel injector might be a good example of this. If it misses, even just once it could inject fuel at the wrong time, and might blow out a delicate gasket and cause $1000 of damage to your engine (this may also be a bad example, I'm not sure how tight the timings really are for CFJ).
You might want to consider FreeBSD then. FreeBSD fans have long touted the superior NFS implementation. Not sure if it's still the case -- there were lots of improvements in 2.4, NFS being one of them.
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If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
(2) Disksuite is a free Volume Manager that does various levels of RAID.
;)
/dev/md instances into the ramdisk /dev, insmodding md, raid1 and reiser, mounting the partitions to mirror, chrooting to that mntpoint, editing lilo.conf (btw that's the LATEST lilo with md bootsector support) and /sbin/lilo), BE SURE to specify your md=X,/dev/hdeX,/dev/hdgX for your root drive in your kernel append for your mdX mirror label.
;)
However, it requires a lot more legwork.
You pretty much have to slice and dice your HDDs identically (and have identical HDDs in the normal case). Thus, you are still limited to 7 partitions (minus some for metadbs of course) within a "volume".
Also, you only get concatenation when you want to increase filesystem sizes, and fairly dumb concatenation at that. And IIRC if you want to concat you have to take the filesystem offline.
Disksuite is nice for small systems and root/boot/swap mirrors. Much nicer IMHO than setting up similar service (converting a single disk R/B/S system into a mirrored one) in Linux using md. I just did both on separate boxes in the last week, and I am still cringing from the md mirror "procedure" (though it did remind me that I actually don't suck
A true LVM beats DS up and down the square. Many flavors of Unix come standard with LVM for "free" (though you usually have to license the OS, and Sun now beers it away up to 8 CPUs) and IMHO it's about time for Sun to give it away as well, whether they license Veritas or port/write another solution.
ps: when you've got your kernel installed into the boot sector and you've gotten your / to start mirroring (by in my case booting from rescue cdrom, copying over the
It's days like that you don't feel overpaid.
Your Working Boy,
- Otis (GAIM: OtisWild)
FYI -
The mirrors are updated !
I have tried the mirrors at
version 2.4.5 is now available at
ftp://ftp.no.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
I'm stuck on this G4 PowerBook. If you had installed YD or SuSE PowerPC version you would not have been is such a predicament ;-)
Help fight continental drift.
Even if they're not up the instant you type, they might well be a minute later, and certainly will be by the time most people get to read your article later in the day. It would help kernel.org to not get slashdotted.
This ``probably not updated'' rubbish just doesn't cut it, either. How long would it take you to check? In seconds? Whatever happened to responsible reporting, the kind so often bemoaned on his very site for its lack?
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
That's why you open a new browser window, and take a look! This is what we call "Investigative Journalism".
Sheesh. Not to sound like an asshole, but is it really too difficult to check a few mirrors, and say "The mirrors we checked have/have not been updated. Your mileage may vary."? Better yet, don't say anything at all and just link to the mirrors!
The point of the mirrors is to offload traffic from kernel.org. Slashdotting it defeats that purpose.
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The changelog speaks about VxFS... Has it been ported or something? Not that I really care about VxFS too much anymore, but it would be funny to see VERITAS start making commitments to porting stuff to Linux. How would such an implementation take shape? Since it'll probably be a bit hard to convert from ext2fs/xfs/reiserfs to VxFS, I'm thinking that they'll have to do a ''Red Hat a'la SGI'' installer... Closed Source (tm) of course with lots of expensive licenses to buy, but that's another story.
What do you think?
Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. -Ayn Rand
doh! I forgot MOSIX! MOSIX is a clustering thing! It looks cool.
- Alan Cox's Patches - Nice!
- Real Time Scheduler - Aside from making Linux a RTOS, it improves app performance!
- GetRewted - Similar to the Openwall pacthes for 2.2.X - NonExec stack, improved filesystem security, stealth networking, Trusted Path Execution
My personal box runs all but GetRewted. My server will run them all very soon. Enjoy!These don't seem to break programs that previously worked - at least the ones I've used.
2.4.4 on my machine broke the Realtek 8139 card for DHCP - it would freeze for a few minutes and then start without network. Reverting to 2.4.3 fixed the problem.
I believe that this may be fixed in 2.4.5 from reading the changelog
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If you're extracting as non-root, don't be surprised ;) If you're extracting as root, try the --no-same-owner option.
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Where did he say that? Last I heard he used 3.2 in (at least one of) his machines because of sb-optimal 2.4 vm...
Also, the ac-series is different from Linus' tree; the diff between 2.4.4ac17 and 2.4.5 is many megs. (Incidentally 2.4.2 OOM rambo killed my diff process when cache filled up (230 megs cache), so I can't give you exact figures) Alan includes much more experimental stuff, but also has some other differences in his tree. Merging in between does happen piece by piece.
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900K vs 14M sure makes sense if you're on a modem as many of us still are, as well as not screwing kernel.org on their bandwidth costs.
Get kernel patches here: http://www.bzimage.org/
Really? I've been following this on lkml and up to yesterday it seemed people are still reporting VM problems under heavy swap.
Admittedly the last one I've tried personally was 2.4.4-ac8, which started killing pieces of KDE when I was simulataneously recompiling the kernel and Qt!
Well, several kernel updates (like 2.2.19) are heavily suggested as upgrades -- 'cause they fix security holes. Anyone running a 2.2.x less that .19 is crazy if it is in anyway connected to the 'net.
The big difference is that MS usually holds SPs and you get about 1 every 6 months to a year (sometimes longer) with an occasional hotfix for serious ("highly publicized") problems. Point releases for the Linux kernel usually are out much quicker and don't encompass as much.
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Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Frequently there are updated/new device drivers. In the cases of .3, .4 and .5 the big one would be lots of additions/changes/fixes to various things USB.
Aside from that, if you use any of the hardware that has been updated/changed (I have an AIC7xxx controller) or use ReiserFS (there are several minor patches/updates/fixes to this).
But you are right -- if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I can make strong arguments for using 2.2.19 instead. On several machines at my last job they are still running (happily) 2.2.x kernels. [I suggested to the new SysAdmin to update to 2.2.19 due to security.] I wouldn't recommend an upgrade beyond that 'cause they don't need anything or gain significant advantage with 2.4.x.
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Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Once the dev kernel gets forked off, the kernel releases become much more like service packs. I know if you are running anything less than 2.2.16, most people will suggest you upgrade.
In the early numbers however, it is probably worthwhile upgrading now and again to get rid of those bugs that surface up in the major version change.
Fear: When you see B8 00 4C CD 21 and know what it means
I know this won't fix the problem, but it does render it moot: try installing ntpd and ntpdate. (NTP - Network Time Protocol).
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Could it be a weird interaction between Linux and a Y2K bug?
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Like ntpdate?
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Well, if the mirrors haven't had time to update, lets make sure we give the main source a good slashdottin! I'm sure *that'll* help them catchup...blah.
get the patch for the 2.4.4 source? It's only about 900k
Both the tar.gz and the tar.bz2 files from kernel.org are broken - all the files extract being owned by non-root users and don't have the appropriate permissions (scripts and stuff aren't set +x, etc).
:)
Is anyone else having these problems? Or is my copy of tar screwed? Or am I screwed?
The UNIX community has had its own slang for 25 years. I can think of no reason to submit to MSFT "culture" in adopting words like "service pack". Newcomers (many from the MSFT world) to LINUX should adapt to an older and richer culture; maybe take a look to the jargon file.
and I just installed 2.4.4.. another 2 hour download.. I hate dialup. :(
Frequently there are updated/new device drivers. In the cases of .3, .4 and .5 the big one would be lots of additions/changes/fixes to various things USB.
One USB fix that I really appreciated: devmode, devuid and devgid mount options for usbdevfs had no effect in 2.4.4 (I hadn't used previous 2.4 releases, so I don't know about them). They work again in 2.4.5, and I'm very happy that I no longer need to su to get the photos out of my camera.
Thank you kernel developers. You rock!
Where can we actually find out what has changed? This is always a problem with each new kernel version. The changelog includes information about everything that was changed, but says nothing about what the change was. The diff is too detailed to read and could take days to understand.
Correct?
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...I'm all for "it takes a villiage to raise an OS" or whatever, but am I the only one here who thinks "GetRewted" is a bit of a sketchy name for a security patch? The name isn't exactly inspiring a feeling of security (or credibility) in me. Kind of like buying a home security system from "GetBrokenInto", or soup from "GetBotulism". My general theory of security is "AvoidGettingRewtedAtAllReasonableCost". Takes different strokes to move the world. That's what the source is for, anyway, I guess...give it something of a read-through before piping it through patch.
Laugh, folks...this is supposed to be funny.
"These people look deep within my soul and assign me a number based on the order in which I joined" --Homer re:
...the software is written and the site is run by some high school kid, as far as I can tell from reading the news items.
"These people look deep within my soul and assign me a number based on the order in which I joined" --Homer re:
2.4.4 also has the patch for the iptables hole included
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Is this the one for ftp servers? I seem to recall something like that a while back, but I don't run an ftp server so it didn't sound like it affected me.<br>
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
Linux 2.4 Service Pack 5. I'm running Service Pack 2 just fine and I haven't really seen a reason to apply the latest Service Pack as soon as it comes out, unless the changelog mentioned a significant security fix. Otherwise, if it's not broke, don't fix it.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
Well, i've experienced quite a number of kernel hangups when using various USB hardware. Apparently the USB support isn't quite stable yet; not much of an issue for servers, but it illustrates that there are still serious bugs in the 2.4 kernel, and some may also still be hiding in server-critical areas.
The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
--Henry Kissinger
Hmm...
"[kernel releases] don't seem to break programs that previously worked"
...and...
"the attitude I see from many is 'if it's working, don't touch it'."
...seem contradictory. If people were sure that kernel releases wouldn't break their stuff, they would be much less cautious about upgrading. The fact that people are reluctant to apply minor updates in security or stability implies they're worried something will break.
-Erik
A search on Freshmeat for "debian reiser" reveals 2 projects (actually, I already knew they were there :)
These are not, however, with the 2.4 kernel, but the important part is that you can do the installation with Reiserfs as your filesystem. It's much easier to compile a new kernel (I'd be doing that anyway) than to deal with converting from ext2 to Reiser.
Sotto la panca, la capra crepa
WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
or M-XINU? (hint: read backwards)
linux-2.4.4-ac10 ? Now an anonymous coward can add code to the kernel ?
AC -10 AWARD is also something you get if you make heavy use of Body Armor in Rare's Goldeneye 007 for N64.
Will I retire or break 10K?
You can't miss this! Go check it out right now!
*Sigh*. How long are we going to have to read kernel = kernel + 0.0.1 just released stories? What is the relevance of this, truly? This thing shouldn't even be at freshmeat, for christ's sake.
If not, then I want daily CVS announcements. Please, either completely bore me, or do not bore me at all.
OOPS! Discovered while rebooting that unmounting a reiserfs partition causes a panic! There is a fix available, search on the mailing list for the patch, seems to have worked here.
chris@xanadu:~$ whatis /.
/.: nothing appropriate.
VFS layer cleanups, USB enhancements, oh my! And the march to rock-solid stability continues.
Not that I've had much trouble with the earlier 2.4 kernels on the whole, but I wouldn't run my server farm on them. Soon, though, from the look of things.
Keep up the great work.
Quantum mechanics: the dreams that stuff is made of.
yah, duh..it's un*x
That's just a binary that's linked to whatever kernel/XFree that you're currently using when you 'compile'.
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Ever since the kernel has supported USB (I used the backport to 2.2.something too) I've had a problem with my system clock. When I reboot from Linux, the hardware clock goes back to 1998.
No, it's not the battery. I can reboot from Other OSes (Win9x/2k, BeOS) without resetting the clock. I've checked all of my shutdown scripts, and find nothing accessing the clock at all. All this leads me to think it's a kernel problem, and no one has been able to figure otherwise.
I'll put 777 away again.
is that the rhine driver you are using? I am having similar symptoms and going crazy trying to find the cause.
- Toby
I think there's a couple differences between this pattern of kernel releases and MS service packs.
These don't seem to break programs that previously worked - at least the ones I've used.
Second, no one requires or even 'urges' you to use the 'latest' Linux kernel. You will still get support from people for earlier versions. When a program misbehaves the default 'solution' won't be to go to the next kernel.
The same is less true of the MS approach. If you're not using *at least* SP4 on NT4, I think people'd roll their eyes at you and you'd get a round of suggestions to apply the latest SP. I've not seen the same in the Linux community. Yeah, recent kernels are cool, but unless there's a true NEED for your apps to have new kernel features, the attitude I see from many is 'if it's working, don't touch it'.
creation science book
Furthermore, 245 is divisible by 7, and everybody knows 7 is God's Divine Number.
Don't you understand ? 245 times == kernel version 2.4.5 ??? It's OBVIOUS : God has decided that this version of Linux will be Lord of Hosts, therefore making NT and Solaris server looking like toys for pagans !
Many thanks to Michael and Slashdot for reporting such a CRUCIAL event in the history of Humanity !
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Enjoy...
http://mirror.sit.wisc.edu/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/. 4/
ftp://mirror.sit.wisc.edu/mirrors/linux/kernel/v2
According to Alan Cox, the VM system seems (finally) sane now (since 2.4.4-ac10). Check out Alan's full changelog for extreme details of changes at http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel /0105.2/1618.html.
Got friends?
I'm using XFree86 4.03 (which is supposed to have ATI acceleration) with experimental 3D or whatver the hell the newest conceivable XFree86 is with every conceivable option to make Tuxracer fast selected, and I'm using kernel 2.4.3 (which is supposed to have ATI acceleration), and yet Tuxracer runs at ~0.2 fps. WTF?
Why do I even bother with this fsckin' os? I should have stayed a mechanical engineer so I wouldn't have to concern myself with the shit vs. shit dilemmma which is what anyone who fscks with computers is faced with once they realize that MS is shit and yet all else is shit. WTF am I trying to do here with this Linux shit if I have to worry about whether or not every little piece of hardware will get any kind of support from it? I bought the video card which was obviously the best for the money (Radeon LE), and yet, I have to use MS shit in order to utilize it. Alright fine, so ATI is probably to blame as much as anyone, but the point is, don't fsck with computers unless you have to because the only thing that has changed about them in the last 20 yrs is that they make you want to commit suicide and/or they waste all your fsckin' time.
Computers are probably the most poorly designed devices that ever existed. Come to think of it, why am I sitting here writing shit on Shitdot when I really should be banging one of those hot ass fsckin' bitches I was just talking with at the rave I was just at? That's what's really FUCKED up. It's official - I've just had an epiphany - no more wasting precious life on Shitdot and/or computer when I could easily either be being productive by being a mechanical engineer or be banging hot raver bitches. Life's too short for Linux and it's way too short for fuckin' around with computers.
linux-2.4.4-ac10 ? Now an anonymous coward can add code to the kernel ? I guess Cowboy Torvalds and Linus Malda did that to allow people to protect their anonymity in coding, e.g. for Microserfs who would want to participate.
But then again, don't expect them not to add boot code to display an ascii goatse.cx picture. Or to call all identifiers nathalie_portman. An also expect the karma whores to add empty for-loops to gain karma.
If it ain't broke, do some testing before you fix it.
That being said, I am continually looking at migrating over to later kernels as the performance boosts I have seen have been pretty incredible particulalry for my Athlon boxes. One of them is a PDC/File/Print server (SAMBA), Apache+PhP web server, MySQL and PostgreSQL database servers, etc. mostly for development work, and the memory usage is way down from the 2.2.x kernels.
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
ov511 is still kinda broken. the version include craps out during a 'make modules' so i had to comment it out in the .config file. afterwards, i compiled and isntall the new kernel. So, I downloaded the newer ov511 tarball, and did a make and it did create 2 .o files but depmod -a 'ing gives unresolved symbols in the ov511 module. Guess I'll have to wait till .6 to get my webcam running again :(
"I keep looking in the want-ads under 'revolutionary' but there don't seem to be any listings.. "
2.4 series have data corruption problems, particularly with some SCSI controllers. Check the mailing lists for details to make sure you aren't affected if you want to live on the edge, but I'm keeping my servers on 2.2. My home box is running 2.4.3 without problems, though.
Even Slashdot wants to hide some things
Fear for me.
interesting
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