Putting angle brackets around URLs in e-mail makes most mail readers retain the user's ability to navigate to the URL by clicking on it. URLs like this (ignoring the spaces added by slashdot) work fine in things like Thunderbird and Apple Mail:
Another Standard, Microsoft does not support, is the specification RFC 3987, which defines UTF-8 capable Internet addresses
This probably doesn't surprise many people here. Their mail client is also incapable of handling hyperlinks longer than around 78 characters, and their browser's not too great on the acid test.
3rd hit on Google for "moonlight" doesn't exactly make it hard to find. And if it's not already there, I bet it will soon be in Wikipedia and therefore linked from the first hit in Google for "moonlight".
I've been using Safari for 2.5 years. I want a web browser to do nothing other than display web pages in a fast, standard-compliant way. I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants that.
You're thinking of a web-based application... From what I can tell, Apple are referring to something that more resembles Dashboard widgets, which although they're written using mostly HTML and Javascript, they can do things that wouldn't work in most web browsers because they'd be huge security holes there - like interacting with services running on the local computer, local files or system status, cross-site scripting, and probably a few more things.
Yes, I totally agree that one menu bar at the top of the primary display doesn't scale well to multiple displays.
Further, the vastly better support in Windows for both a) keyboard access and b) context menus
Some of my most used keyboard shortcuts which work anywhere in OS X:
Command-W: Close the current window/document
Command-M: Minimize the current window
Command-option-H: Hide all apps except the current one
F10 - show all windows of the current app side-by-side (Exposé)
Command-comma: Show preferences for the current app
Command-space: Desktop search (Spotlight)
Command-shift-4: Select an area of the screen and save a snapshot of it to a PNG file
Command-shit-B: Send the selected file to a Bluetooth device (eg mobile phone)
For most of these, I've not found an equivalent in Windows or Linux which is available by default. I know the Command-W has the Ctrl-W equivalent in many Windows apps now, but it would be nice if everything supported it - Visual Studio, I'm looking at you.
Or, to put it more succintly, any measurable usability advantage in OS X from the single menubar is miniscule, on the remote chance it even exists at all. It was a somewhat valid point in the days of 9" displays and Windows 3.0.
I agree - since I mainly use OS X on a 12" laptop, I get most of the advantages of the UI design. It's not so friendly on my dad's 23" iMac though.
I find that the apps with better designed UIs on OS X have exactly the right toolbar options (and very few unnecessary ones) so that, together with good keyboard shortcuts, I rarely need to use the menus.
I've just installed Safari 3 on a Mac Mini and it's still brushed metal! That doesn't seem right. It's reporting the correct version number and user agent though.
By "another", I meant in addition to Firefox. Diversity is good, and so is having more browsers that comply with standards. Hopefully users of Safari on OS X will start seeing less problems caused by web developers that have forgotten about them soon.
Here's a side-by-side screenshot of Safari on Windows and on OS X, rendering Slashdot and showing the differences in the toolbar, menu bar and title bar... screenshot
I'm also a Mac user - I primarily use OS X at home. At work, I don't always have that opportunity, so I'm happy that I will now be able to use the same browser at work as I do at home.
I've just played with Safari on Windows and it's cool. I'm unsure about the menu bar at the top though, and the extra 20 vertical pixels or so that it takes up - that just doesn't look as clean as it does on OS X. Windows needed another browser to give IE a run for its money, and this is it.
And it supports rich text editing in GMail:-)
I hope it will be supporting the plugin framework that Safari on OS X does, I like things like the Inquisitor search plugin.
I'm curious what it is in MSWord that people find so essential
The ability to see tracked changes in documents sent to me from other people in the office, customers and partners. And to be able to see the document almost exactly as they saw it.
Yeah, OO.o does most of this, but not all of the "metadata" makes it through the conversion to ODF.
I prefer to use LaTeX stored in SVN for my own stuff, and also have NeoOffice and MS Office for the aforementioned reasons.
Slashdot Mirror
It's not a software patent ;-)
D'oh!, slashdot removed the contents of the angle brackets.
& client=safari&rls=en&q=email+URL+78+OR+80+characte rs+RFC+angle+brackets&btnG=Search>
I was meaning that URLs like this would still be clickable:
<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en
Putting angle brackets around URLs in e-mail makes most mail readers retain the user's ability to navigate to the URL by clicking on it. URLs like this (ignoring the spaces added by slashdot) work fine in things like Thunderbird and Apple Mail:
This is covered by RFC 1738.
This probably doesn't surprise many people here. Their mail client is also incapable of handling hyperlinks longer than around 78 characters, and their browser's not too great on the acid test.
What Internet standards do they support properly?
Is that Perl? ;-)
Patenting distributed storage? Sounds too generic.
Patenting an API - can't patent software here.
So as long as your start up isn't in the US, I don't see a problem. Stupid American software patents.
3rd hit on Google for "moonlight" doesn't exactly make it hard to find. And if it's not already there, I bet it will soon be in Wikipedia and therefore linked from the first hit in Google for "moonlight".
I've been using Safari for 2.5 years. I want a web browser to do nothing other than display web pages in a fast, standard-compliant way. I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants that.
You're thinking of a web-based application... From what I can tell, Apple are referring to something that more resembles Dashboard widgets, which although they're written using mostly HTML and Javascript, they can do things that wouldn't work in most web browsers because they'd be huge security holes there - like interacting with services running on the local computer, local files or system status, cross-site scripting, and probably a few more things.
Yes, I totally agree that one menu bar at the top of the primary display doesn't scale well to multiple displays.
Some of my most used keyboard shortcuts which work anywhere in OS X:
For most of these, I've not found an equivalent in Windows or Linux which is available by default. I know the Command-W has the Ctrl-W equivalent in many Windows apps now, but it would be nice if everything supported it - Visual Studio, I'm looking at you.
I agree - since I mainly use OS X on a 12" laptop, I get most of the advantages of the UI design. It's not so friendly on my dad's 23" iMac though.
I find that the apps with better designed UIs on OS X have exactly the right toolbar options (and very few unnecessary ones) so that, together with good keyboard shortcuts, I rarely need to use the menus.
I've just installed Safari 3 on a Mac Mini and it's still brushed metal! That doesn't seem right. It's reporting the correct version number and user agent though.
It has this... http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=238141&c id=19468947
I haven't tried printing yet as I don't actually have a Windows box here - I was testing Safari over Remote Desktop to another site.
LoL, yeah, apparently I have to reboot to get the new Safari on OS X, and I'm in the middle of working on some stuff on this computer at the moment.
By "another", I meant in addition to Firefox. Diversity is good, and so is having more browsers that comply with standards. Hopefully users of Safari on OS X will start seeing less problems caused by web developers that have forgotten about them soon.
Here's a side-by-side screenshot of Safari on Windows and on OS X, rendering Slashdot and showing the differences in the toolbar, menu bar and title bar... screenshot
Click on the image to see the original size.
That's probably why you don't care about it then.
I'm also a Mac user - I primarily use OS X at home. At work, I don't always have that opportunity, so I'm happy that I will now be able to use the same browser at work as I do at home.
I've just played with Safari on Windows and it's cool. I'm unsure about the menu bar at the top though, and the extra 20 vertical pixels or so that it takes up - that just doesn't look as clean as it does on OS X. Windows needed another browser to give IE a run for its money, and this is it.
:-)
And it supports rich text editing in GMail
I hope it will be supporting the plugin framework that Safari on OS X does, I like things like the Inquisitor search plugin.
The Internet needs saved? I didn't think it was dying. At least, it hasn't been confirmed.
It doesn't appear to be open-source :-(
And it's not just OS X it does nothing on. Debian too. I'm going to make a wild guess that it's supposed to display the mis-spelled word.
No output whatsoever?
The ability to see tracked changes in documents sent to me from other people in the office, customers and partners.
And to be able to see the document almost exactly as they saw it.
Yeah, OO.o does most of this, but not all of the "metadata" makes it through the conversion to ODF.
I prefer to use LaTeX stored in SVN for my own stuff, and also have NeoOffice and MS Office for the aforementioned reasons.
Is driving while using a cell phone a traffic offence in San Francisco?
So is this going to be like Cygwin, with a nicer user interface?