who is been invoiced? that link contains no useful info. big companies? random users? anyone have any more info?
Dunno, I've called 1-800-726-8649 twice, leaving my name and number saying they would "call me back". I havn't heard from them.
Being that I "owe" them about $100k to continue using the software that I've been using for the past 2 years, it seems as though they would be interested in talking to me.
I would suggest that _everyone_ here that runs linux call SCO 1-800-726-8649 and see if they give a call back. If these ppl are too lame to return a phonecall to collect $100k, then I doubt they will be around too much longer to be of concern to anyone.
Oh, regarding HP buying licenses. I doubt it. I just met with HP last week to buy another 40 CPUs worth of Itaniums, and I asked them about SCO. They seemed knowledgable of the case, and said something to the affect that "they are off thier rocker".
No distribution, be it Red Hat, Suse or even Mandrake is going to ship with a beta kernel by default.
I'm not sure where you would even get a beta kernel. The X.Y.Z releases, where Y is odd denotes a development kernel. I've used development kernels in production for 2 servers before because I actually needed the features (extra file descriptors) that the 2.1.125 (IIRC) kernel had to offer, and had no problems.
Ironically, most ( >95% ) of the patches, exploits, problems with all of the above distros are not with the kernel. I, myself, have only had one "stable" kernel flake on me in production, and that was due to a silly bug in the ethernet driver which was quickly fixed. This was in 1997.
Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 for the Intel x86 architecture ships with kernel version 2.2.22.
The 2.2 kernel series has been updated and developed extensively introducing several valuable changes both in the kernel and in other programs based on kernel features, along with a whole slew of new hardware drivers and bug fixes for existing drivers.
A 2.4 kernel is also included in this release for optional installation by users. Although the 2.4 branch is considered by the kernel developers to be a stable kernel branch, the Debian GNU/Linux release team judged it not to have reached sufficient maturity for inclusion as the default kernel in this release.
Also note that this was realeased 19 July, 2002. Which was when the 2.4 kernel was at version 2.4.19 or so.
Debian did not feel as though the 2.4 kernel was stable enough across all platforms for it to be universally deployed as the default kernel.
You must not do software development. Many software shops call it done if it compiles. The rest is up to QA (which is us, I'm running 2.6.0pre3 and its pretty danmed good).
Private industry can not take up the flag for space exploration...
There is no profit in exploration. The only equivalent is R&D, and that typically only accounts for about 10% of a company's budget.
In order for that to happen [cheaper space flights] there must be central agency that focuses on this, and the agency must get government funding.
That would be the FAA.
Nasa needs to keep doing what it has been doing, and it needs to be able to explore other RnD efforts.
Just because you and 99% of the population associate NASA == Space Shuttle does not mean that it is true. Its name is Aeronautics and Space, not space, and thier budget is something like 20% for space IIRC. (BTW, NASA's budget is currently about the same ad DEA. Which would you rather fund?)
The only company the could do priovate space launch successfully would be microsoft, and even there 40+billion wouldn't ge them far.
Oh really. Take a look at this PDF that talks about private launches and how there has been a 15% growth in the market annually.
once private companies do start backing manned space exporation, we had be damn sure there is a controlling body for safty, and launches.
Again, there is no forseeable profit in sending a couple of people in space a couple times a year. Airlines have a steady flow of revenue and have trouble making profits.
For more info, there is an article discussing France's private launches. And one and another about Brazil. This looks like a new US company for space launches called space tethers. And this talks about how "Latin America Pioneered the Satellite Communications World".
Even Blaster exploits a flaw in a network service that at least shouldn't be part of the OS, at least by the *nix OS-design paradigm.
Err, Blaster exploits RPC which is a *nix thingy that Sun started about 20 years ago. It has been the source of various vendor's security problems ever since.
In my opinion, Linux has the most secure RPC implementation because the portmapper is controled by tcp wrappers.
surprisingly easy for an enterprising individual to pass bad data through forms, and if the app doesn't check the incoming data properly, and simply assumes its coming from a legit source, you're going to have bad behaviors.
WTF! Repeat after me.
Thou shall never trust input from an external source.
Be it a textfile or variables passed over the web or communication over a socket.
Every input will be checked for reasonable data before it is evaluated or used in any way. I had to correct a "Senior level" developer with this simple fact not too long before I quit that job.
Things to do are:
- make sure numbers are numbers - quote strings - do simple text subtitutions for unwanted characters - make sure strings are in normal lengths - etc
Lighten up. I really don't see someone balancing thier company's books with this or anything. And the browser can do it with javascript:2+2 or whatever.
Also, most OSes come with some kind of calculator. Hell, on my commandline I have:
mlap:~% which c c: aliased to noglob perl -le "print eval qq(@ARGV)" mlap:~% c 1024/16 64
That and also its a bitch to get sendmail uninstalled from a package based system (rpm or deb). I havn't tried in a long time, but when I did, I could not install a new mailer because it conflicted with the old mailer, and I could not uninstall the old mailer because things like cron depended on it, and so on.
But back then when Caldera sued M$, we (well most of us, including myself) were on the side of Caldera.
Noone seems to remember the details, you can read one account here. Basically, they were suing because there was explicit code in windows that said that DR-DOS would not work, but DR-DOS was "DOSy" enought to do the job.
Althought, M$ settled for a cool $150mil, I believe (and apparently they did too) that they would have lost in trial.
Sco says that federal copyright law says you can only make _one_ copy of a piece of software and federal copyright law trumps the GPL in this case
I have never read this one backup rule in the law, but many people here believe it, so it must be true. But the copyright law does mention licensing and distribution, and they seem OK. It seems to work with publishers and retailers just fine. Your welcome to read all about it here.
The code released by SCO in their Linux packages is _probably_ GPLed. In order for it _not_ to be GPLed they have to argue that they didn't even look at what they're distributing. On the one hand they're saying that the violation is so extensive that it can't be undone. OTOH, they say that they didn't notice it was happening at first. It's not impossible, but it seems like they need to explain why this happened.
There is no reason for any of SCO's contribution to be GPLed. Look at Nvidia's and many other commercial offerings that are available to linux.
The big thing here is that they are attacking the GPL here. And, under the copyright law, they have to agree to the GPL in order to redistribute all of the GNU software that they have available at ftp://ftp.sco.com/ and most of their commercial offerings.
Interesting that they avoid the distribution issue alltogether, and are focusing on the IP. If you read their "Linux License", it does not cover distribution (SCO will not even give you a kernel for your $$), nor does it cover the source code at all. It is only a "runtime" license in binary form, its a "license to use".
In the unlikely event that SCO were to win its case regarding the GPL as being invalid, then they must either 1) write a lot of thier own code real quick or 2) fold the business because a most of thier products depend on GPL software.
Since the goverment has no control over our country anymore, why should we be obliged to pay taxes and adhere to its laws?
Our legal system is set up so that it is very difficult for the police (a government employee) to get a warrant for a search, but the RIAA (a private company) can do it at will?
If there is some crime here, then I belive that the govenment should prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
Do banks supoena bank robbers?
Keep in mind that I have never used Kazaa or similar service, and do not belive in the whole "sharing" thing. But I refuse to have corporations coming into my private life for something the feel is suspicious. Can I get a supoena to look at RIAA's records for price fixing and their business practice because I don't like it?
This is not a slope that I want to see our govenment go down. If so, then they have relinquished all power over its people, and that will lead to anarchy and/or revolution.
Not to be cruel or anything. But what has gotten into Americans/Japanese about this irrational fear of dying and the desire to be breathing (not necessarily alive) for incredibly long periods of time.
If you had your brand new exoskeleton, what would that give you? Are you going to go to work, climb a mountain, ride a bike, drive a car, have children? At most it will give you the freedom to get out of a chair and get a glass of water, go to the bathroom, or whatever. If that was an improvement to my life and this was as good as it was going to get, I'd just as soon checkout.
The eskimo had older people in thier societies as well. When they got to an age where thier wisdom, skills, etc were of no value to the society, it was understood that the older person would take a walk on the ice and go to sleep, and not wake up.
Sheesh, what is next, cryogenically freezing people so they can come back later on? Oh, nevermind.
How do you know if the person was a bit overweight and had a double chin or big cheeks?
Do you question that the ppl on the weight loss ads are actually two different people? If someone shaves thier head and/or eyebrows do you fail to recognise them? Ever seen someone you knew wearing a facemask?
It may not be 100% accurate, but what more can you do with just a skull? I've seen the discovery channel special on this using clay and averages for the sex, race, etc of the remains, and they had a damn good likeness to the original person (its how they ided the girl).
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They didn't start these games until May, and the Linux licenses are much newer than that.
SuSE, as you gave for an example, is in Germany where SCO was given a "put up or shut up" mandate, which is a part of the German legal system.
SCO hasn't said anything to any Germans since.
who is been invoiced? that link contains no useful info. big companies? random users? anyone have any more info?
Dunno, I've called 1-800-726-8649 twice, leaving my name and number saying they would "call me back". I havn't heard from them.
Being that I "owe" them about $100k to continue using the software that I've been using for the past 2 years, it seems as though they would be interested in talking to me.
I would suggest that _everyone_ here that runs linux call SCO 1-800-726-8649 and see if they give a call back. If these ppl are too lame to return a phonecall to collect $100k, then I doubt they will be around too much longer to be of concern to anyone.
Oh, regarding HP buying licenses. I doubt it. I just met with HP last week to buy another 40 CPUs worth of Itaniums, and I asked them about SCO. They seemed knowledgable of the case, and said something to the affect that "they are off thier rocker".
ever learned X in 24 hours like the book title says?
No distribution, be it Red Hat, Suse or even Mandrake is going to ship with a beta kernel by default.
I'm not sure where you would even get a beta kernel. The X.Y.Z releases, where Y is odd denotes a development kernel. I've used development kernels in production for 2 servers before because I actually needed the features (extra file descriptors) that the 2.1.125 (IIRC) kernel had to offer, and had no problems.
Ironically, most ( >95% ) of the patches, exploits, problems with all of the above distros are not with the kernel. I, myself, have only had one "stable" kernel flake on me in production, and that was due to a silly bug in the ethernet driver which was quickly fixed. This was in 1997.
Also note that this was realeased 19 July, 2002. Which was when the 2.4 kernel was at version 2.4.19 or so.
Debian did not feel as though the 2.4 kernel was stable enough across all platforms for it to be universally deployed as the default kernel.
You must not do software development. Many software shops call it done if it compiles. The rest is up to QA (which is us, I'm running 2.6.0pre3 and its pretty danmed good).
I was tought to double it and go to the next unit of measure.
So if it "should take 6 weeks", the anwser to give to your boss would be 12 months.
Don't forget DESQview. Its an X windowing system for DOS.
Doesn't change the fact that 99% of what the conventional industry produces sounds like it was extruded from a tube.
Hmm, I always thought that shit came from animal's asses (except for those that can shit out of thier mouth).
Private industry can not take up the flag for space exploration...
There is no profit in exploration. The only equivalent is R&D, and that typically only accounts for about 10% of a company's budget.
In order for that to happen [cheaper space flights] there must be central agency that focuses on this, and the agency must get government funding.
That would be the FAA.
Nasa needs to keep doing what it has been doing, and it needs to be able to explore other RnD efforts.
Just because you and 99% of the population associate NASA == Space Shuttle does not mean that it is true. Its name is Aeronautics and Space, not space, and thier budget is something like 20% for space IIRC. (BTW, NASA's budget is currently about the same ad DEA. Which would you rather fund?)
The only company the could do priovate space launch successfully would be microsoft, and even there 40+billion wouldn't ge them far.
Oh really. Take a look at this PDF that talks about private launches and how there has been a 15% growth in the market annually.
once private companies do start backing manned space exporation, we had be damn sure there is a controlling body for safty, and launches.
Again, there is no forseeable profit in sending a couple of people in space a couple times a year. Airlines have a steady flow of revenue and have trouble making profits.
For more info, there is an article discussing France's private launches. And one and another about Brazil. This looks like a new US company for space launches called space tethers. And this talks about how "Latin America Pioneered the Satellite Communications World".
Even Blaster exploits a flaw in a network service that at least shouldn't be part of the OS, at least by the *nix OS-design paradigm.
Err, Blaster exploits RPC which is a *nix thingy that Sun started about 20 years ago. It has been the source of various vendor's security problems ever since.
In my opinion, Linux has the most secure RPC implementation because the portmapper is controled by tcp wrappers.
surprisingly easy for an enterprising individual to pass bad data through forms, and if the app doesn't check the incoming data properly, and simply assumes its coming from a legit source, you're going to have bad behaviors.
WTF! Repeat after me.
Thou shall never trust input from an external source.
Be it a textfile or variables passed over the web or communication over a socket.
Every input will be checked for reasonable data before it is evaluated or used in any way. I had to correct a "Senior level" developer with this simple fact not too long before I quit that job.
Things to do are:
- make sure numbers are numbers
- quote strings
- do simple text subtitutions for unwanted characters
- make sure strings are in normal lengths
- etc
whatever, its common sense, programming 101.
Lighten up. I really don't see someone balancing thier company's books with this or anything. And the browser can do it with javascript:2+2 or whatever.
Also, most OSes come with some kind of calculator. Hell, on my commandline I have:
mlap:~% which c
c: aliased to noglob perl -le "print eval qq(@ARGV)"
mlap:~% c 1024/16
64
Postfix can do virtual domains with sasl authentication and imap/pop daemons from Project Cyrus.
Its also real cool because you can use a mysql database to manage the accounts over the domains so that the users do not need real shell accounts.
That and also its a bitch to get sendmail uninstalled from a package based system (rpm or deb). I havn't tried in a long time, but when I did, I could not install a new mailer because it conflicted with the old mailer, and I could not uninstall the old mailer because things like cron depended on it, and so on.
But back then when Caldera sued M$, we (well most of us, including myself) were on the side of Caldera.
Noone seems to remember the details, you can read one account here. Basically, they were suing because there was explicit code in windows that said that DR-DOS would not work, but DR-DOS was "DOSy" enought to do the job.
Althought, M$ settled for a cool $150mil, I believe (and apparently they did too) that they would have lost in trial.
Sco says that federal copyright law says you can only make _one_ copy of a piece of software and federal copyright law trumps the GPL in this case
I have never read this one backup rule in the law, but many people here believe it, so it must be true. But the copyright law does mention licensing and distribution, and they seem OK. It seems to work with publishers and retailers just fine. Your welcome to read all about it here.
The code released by SCO in their Linux packages is _probably_ GPLed. In order for it _not_ to be GPLed they have to argue that they didn't even look at what they're distributing. On the one hand they're saying that the violation is so extensive that it can't be undone. OTOH, they say that they didn't notice it was happening at first. It's not impossible, but it seems like they need to explain why this happened.
There is no reason for any of SCO's contribution to be GPLed. Look at Nvidia's and many other commercial offerings that are available to linux.
The big thing here is that they are attacking the GPL here. And, under the copyright law, they have to agree to the GPL in order to redistribute all of the GNU software that they have available at ftp://ftp.sco.com/ and most of their commercial offerings.
Interesting that they avoid the distribution issue alltogether, and are focusing on the IP. If you read their "Linux License", it does not cover distribution (SCO will not even give you a kernel for your $$), nor does it cover the source code at all. It is only a "runtime" license in binary form, its a "license to use".
In the unlikely event that SCO were to win its case regarding the GPL as being invalid, then they must either 1) write a lot of thier own code real quick or 2) fold the business because a most of thier products depend on GPL software.
The FBI has to go to a judge with evidence and obtain a warrant.
My isp says:
We further reserve the right, at our sole discretion, to report such acts to the appropriate authorities.
The RIAA is not an authority, the FBI is.
A subpoena is a request to see someone in court.
The due process was already violated by identifying the individual. By due process, that would require a warrent.
Btw, you can go here at the eff to query the subpoenas.
Since the goverment has no control over our country anymore, why should we be obliged to pay taxes and adhere to its laws?
Our legal system is set up so that it is very difficult for the police (a government employee) to get a warrant for a search, but the RIAA (a private company) can do it at will?
If there is some crime here, then I belive that the govenment should prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
Do banks supoena bank robbers?
Keep in mind that I have never used Kazaa or similar service, and do not belive in the whole "sharing" thing. But I refuse to have corporations coming into my private life for something the feel is suspicious. Can I get a supoena to look at RIAA's records for price fixing and their business practice because I don't like it?
This is not a slope that I want to see our govenment go down. If so, then they have relinquished all power over its people, and that will lead to anarchy and/or revolution.
Not to be cruel or anything. But what has gotten into Americans/Japanese about this irrational fear of dying and the desire to be breathing (not necessarily alive) for incredibly long periods of time.
If you had your brand new exoskeleton, what would that give you? Are you going to go to work, climb a mountain, ride a bike, drive a car, have children? At most it will give you the freedom to get out of a chair and get a glass of water, go to the bathroom, or whatever. If that was an improvement to my life and this was as good as it was going to get, I'd just as soon checkout.
The eskimo had older people in thier societies as well. When they got to an age where thier wisdom, skills, etc were of no value to the society, it was understood that the older person would take a walk on the ice and go to sleep, and not wake up.
Sheesh, what is next, cryogenically freezing people so they can come back later on? Oh, nevermind.
eyes are not that difficult, they have the size of the eye socket.
eyebrows are not that important to ID someone, some women go off mucking with them, but I'm sure all of thier loved ones will still recognise them.
hair changes all the time face is more important.
nose can be very accurately reproduced from skull measurements and racial/sex averages
lips too can be reproduces from averages
eye color, lib hue, etc is not necessary for an ID. B&W photographs have worked well for years.
If you've never seen one of these kinds of reproductions, they are amazing.
Keep in mind that usually someone is missing the person, and they are close to the person and would recognise a reproduction like this.
How do you know if the person was a bit overweight and had a double chin or big cheeks?
Do you question that the ppl on the weight loss ads are actually two different people? If someone shaves thier head and/or eyebrows do you fail to recognise them? Ever seen someone you knew wearing a facemask?
It may not be 100% accurate, but what more can you do with just a skull? I've seen the discovery channel special on this using clay and averages for the sex, race, etc of the remains, and they had a damn good likeness to the original person (its how they ided the girl).