"gay uncle tom"? What a first class tool you are. Since you - for some reason - seem to think that a person's ideology descends from their biology, you are the bigot in this equation. He's just gay. Just because he doesn't agree with you politically doesn't make him a traitor to anyone, especially the likes of you. It's funny how you lefties always seem to find the limits of your tolerance at the edges of your dogma.
The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
AES's subsidiary Eastern Energy ($17.1 million)
Abound Solar ($374 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Azure Dynamics ($120 million)*
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
Beacon Power ($69 million)*
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Evergreen Solar ($24 million)*
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Fisker Automotive ($528 million)
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
LG Chem's subsidiary Chemical Power ($150 million)
LSP Energy ($2.1 billion)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
National Renewable Energy Lab ($200 million)
Navistar ($10 million)
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Satcon ($3 million)*
Schneider Electric ($86 million)
Solyndra ($535 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
SunPower ($1.5 billion)
Thompson River Power ($6.4 million)*
UniSolar ($100 million)*
Vestas ($50 million)
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($6 million)
Xunlight ($46.5 million)*
*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.
ALL of these companies had Obama donors and bundlers on the boards who got nice, fat, golden parachutes before they crashed. See how that works?
And then there's Abengoa, a spanish company that we gave four time the amount of money we gave Solyndra...and we can't even find out who we loaned it to, or why, or why it failed:
Remember that talking point about how "even Exxon's own scientists say that global warming is real"? It turns out the fabulous reporting from the Columbia School of Journalism that was based on, was funded by anti-fossil fuel groups, and Columbia has been accused of ethical lapses. It's not true. It's just another leftie lie, exposed as the journalistic astroturf that it is.
Federal Lab Forced To Close After 'Disturbing' Data Manipulation
"Nearly two decades and $108 million worth of "disturbing" data manipulation with "serious and far ranging" effects forced a federal lab to close, a congressman revealed Thursday.
"The inorganic section of the U.S. Geological Survey\92s (USGS) Energy Geochemistry Laboratory in Lakewood, Colo. manipulated data on a variety of topics \96 including many related to the environment \96 from 1996 to 2014. The manipulation was caught in 2008, but continued another six years."
...or, maybe it's just a simple fraud. Occam's razor 'n' all. Spare us your faux intellectualism and looking down your nose at the Federalist. You have no response to the facts and logic contained in that piece, all you can do is ridicule the source.
Go ahead, believe in your Great Garbage Patch; maybe the Great Pumpkin will come to help you clean it up. Just don't expect us to pay for it.
You're confusing the *global* CO2 with the human-caused CO2. And it's a common mistake, because they are deliberately encouraging that confusion. If you do enough research for yourself (and I recommend that you do, because you won't believe me if you don't), you'll find that 2% - 6% is the accepted range. I just split it at 4% for the purposes of the example.
Also...here's 31,487 scientists that say there is no AGW:
http://www.petitionproject.org...
Plus, these 1000:
http://www.climatedepot.com/20......and here's 1350+ peer-reviewed papers that say you're wrong:
http://www.populartechnology.n...
...sure, sure...but it CERTAINLY doesn't mean it's real, either. Scams tend to be scams. Unless it's an email from the Bank of Nigeria; those are real.
Please. It's been traveled since 1906. Please don't waste my time calling me a liar, when all it takes is one quick google search and freaking wikipedia to prove my case.
Please...100% of geologists believe that we are heading into another ice age sometime in the next 500 years. The glacial cycles have been well understood for almost a century, and it is inevitable as the sun rising.
Why in the world should a party be forced to provide "balance and smart alternatives" to a fantasy problem that you'd created to exploit for political and economic leverage? We only complain about the shitty ass cake that you're forcing us all to eat, for a party we were never invited to...and yet, you are demanding that we pay for.
When you are confronted with evidence that global warming isn't happening, or isn't man-made:
1) say it's not true; it's all "denier talking points". Talking points you can't refute.
2) tell everyone that it's been "debunked" - when it hasn't, and you couldn't if you wanted to.
3) pretend that you have "all the scientists in the world" on your side...and anyone that questions your theory either isn't a "scientist", or if they are...somehow aren't a "real scientist".
4) pretend that the source of the truth must be tainted by "fossil fuel money", the Heartland Institute, the Koch brothers, or some other shadowy, suspicious entity.
5) Load up the discussion with extraneous "facts" from the IPCC and Greenpeace, no matter how discredited, irrelevant, or unverified.
6) call the person challenging you stupid, a denier, or a "flat-earther".
7) pretend that the only opposition to you is "religious".
That's the entire playbook, right there.
You just don't get it. There are literally tens of thousands of scientists that don't think it's warming. And the evidence that it's warming is not "overwhelming"...in fact, if you've followed the saga of the temp datasets the last 15 years, it's far from clear. Look, I'm not here to lecture you on the skeptic's case...you obviously don't care, because you'd know it already if you did. You prefer to remain ignorant of the entire debate, and have already chosen a side. In the end, it all comes down to simple math...Hansen wants a target of 350ppm CO2. That's a ~11% reduction from current levels. But the FACT is...only 4% of the global CO2 is caused by humans. (How's that for a dirty little secret?) So how does Hansen intend to remove the last 7%, once the human race is gone? Someone should ask him.
They have their own garden of eden story, where Earth was a paradise before it was spoiled by man. Each person born has an original sin - of breathing, and using resources. As religions go, it is an apocalyptic one: unless you convert, not only will you perish, but so will all of humanity. They have their sacred holiday in the spring, which is observed worldwide and promoted by all the media and government. To convert, you need to practice certain sacred rituals - the sorting of trash, the purchase of particular "blessed" "green" products. Indulgences are offered as well - one must buy carbon credits to offset the sin that is one's existence, in order to be "clean". Their food must be prepared in accordance to their traditions: organically. They have their sacred texts; Earth in the Balance, Silent Spring, Inconvenient Truth, etc. They have a list of sacred totem animals they worship: the polar bear, the dolphin, the snail dart...all of which they value more than any human. They have their prophets; Al Gore, Rachel Carson, Michael Mann. And they have their heretics - oil companies in particular, industry in general, and deniers everywhere. Deniers that they openly compare to Nazis, want to tax oppressively, lock up, and censor - so they have their inquisition, too. (They'd probably burn you at the stake, as well, if not for the carbon.)
This religion is also completely endorsed by our government - separation of church and state be damned - and we are forced by law in many ways to conform to its dogma. We are forced to tithe to it's churches and agenda. We are forced to obey it's edicts and regulations. To sacrifice on their altars. They think that the oceans are rising, even though they aren't; that the world is getting warmer, even though it isn't; that the ice is melting, even though it's not.
But, most of all, they believe. With all their hearts. And they won't rest until you do, too.
1) the northwest passage has open and closed all the time, all throughout history. 2) The ice caps shrank, then grew, then shrank, then grew again just in the last 25 years. So far, this September's ice is above last years'. But you forget the larger doomsday prediction: we were threatened for DECADES that the arctic was going to be ice-free forever at any time now, and it would spell doom. It still hasn't, and it still doesn't.
riiiiight and since the Vatican is all in on climate change, I'm supposed to take solace that the SkyGod and Green Religion have joined forces? Really?
the argument is only "overwhelming" when you ignore thousands of scientists who disagree, and don't included thousands of peer-reviewed papers that prove you wrong.
*that* I will agree with. I've often found that the data also becomes a quagmire after a point....next thing you know, an honest discussion has devolved into an argument over the significance of tree rings in medieval Greenland. Instead of keeping in focus the larger issue: none of their models are correct, and none of their predictions have come true.
Physicist Hal Lewis; Emeritus Professor of Physics at the University of California, Santa Barbara:
"It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford's book organizes the facts very well.) I don't believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist."
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n...
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No, they don't have a monopoly; but they've certainly created the industry and control the market.
"gay uncle tom"? What a first class tool you are. Since you - for some reason - seem to think that a person's ideology descends from their biology, you are the bigot in this equation. He's just gay. Just because he doesn't agree with you politically doesn't make him a traitor to anyone, especially the likes of you. It's funny how you lefties always seem to find the limits of your tolerance at the edges of your dogma.
The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
AES's subsidiary Eastern Energy ($17.1 million)
Abound Solar ($374 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Azure Dynamics ($120 million)*
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
Beacon Power ($69 million)*
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Evergreen Solar ($24 million)*
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Fisker Automotive ($528 million)
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
LG Chem's subsidiary Chemical Power ($150 million)
LSP Energy ($2.1 billion)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
National Renewable Energy Lab ($200 million)
Navistar ($10 million)
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Satcon ($3 million)*
Schneider Electric ($86 million)
Solyndra ($535 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
SunPower ($1.5 billion)
Thompson River Power ($6.4 million)*
UniSolar ($100 million)*
Vestas ($50 million)
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($6 million)
Xunlight ($46.5 million)*
*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.
ALL of these companies had Obama donors and bundlers on the boards who got nice, fat, golden parachutes before they crashed. See how that works?
And then there's Abengoa, a spanish company that we gave four time the amount of money we gave Solyndra...and we can't even find out who we loaned it to, or why, or why it failed:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/12...
Remember that talking point about how "even Exxon's own scientists say that global warming is real"? It turns out the fabulous reporting from the Columbia School of Journalism that was based on, was funded by anti-fossil fuel groups, and Columbia has been accused of ethical lapses. It's not true. It's just another leftie lie, exposed as the journalistic astroturf that it is.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congr...
Federal Lab Forced To Close After 'Disturbing' Data Manipulation
"Nearly two decades and $108 million worth of "disturbing" data manipulation with "serious and far ranging" effects forced a federal lab to close, a congressman revealed Thursday.
"The inorganic section of the U.S. Geological Survey\92s (USGS) Energy Geochemistry Laboratory in Lakewood, Colo. manipulated data on a variety of topics \96 including many related to the environment \96 from 1996 to 2014. The manipulation was caught in 2008, but continued another six years."
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06...
From elusive mysterious garbage patches to failed solar plants, there's a lot of money in the green religion. A lot.
...unless the grant money paying for the marine biologist's bar tab becomes part of the equation...
Nah, it's a lie. And I stand by that. http://www.slate.com/articles/... http://www.yalescientific.org/... http://io9.gizmodo.com/5911969... I mean hell, even Snopes can't verify it: http://www.snopes.com/great-pa... Now, I did that in 5.3 seconds of google searching....why couldn't you?
...or, maybe it's just a simple fraud. Occam's razor 'n' all. Spare us your faux intellectualism and looking down your nose at the Federalist. You have no response to the facts and logic contained in that piece, all you can do is ridicule the source. Go ahead, believe in your Great Garbage Patch; maybe the Great Pumpkin will come to help you clean it up. Just don't expect us to pay for it.
He's neither libertarian or anarchist; he's just a leftist trying to appear intellectual
You're confusing the *global* CO2 with the human-caused CO2. And it's a common mistake, because they are deliberately encouraging that confusion. If you do enough research for yourself (and I recommend that you do, because you won't believe me if you don't), you'll find that 2% - 6% is the accepted range. I just split it at 4% for the purposes of the example. Also...here's 31,487 scientists that say there is no AGW: http://www.petitionproject.org... Plus, these 1000: http://www.climatedepot.com/20... ...and here's 1350+ peer-reviewed papers that say you're wrong:
http://www.populartechnology.n...
This story comes up every few years, and gets roundly debunked each time. http://thefederalist.com/2016/...
No it isn't. In the scenario you imagine, climate pays exactly zero roll. I find it sad you can't understand that.
...sure, sure...but it CERTAINLY doesn't mean it's real, either. Scams tend to be scams. Unless it's an email from the Bank of Nigeria; those are real.
Please. It's been traveled since 1906. Please don't waste my time calling me a liar, when all it takes is one quick google search and freaking wikipedia to prove my case.
or...religion and politics are two sides of the same coin, and either side can always recognize a good shakedown when they see one.
Please...100% of geologists believe that we are heading into another ice age sometime in the next 500 years. The glacial cycles have been well understood for almost a century, and it is inevitable as the sun rising.
Why in the world should a party be forced to provide "balance and smart alternatives" to a fantasy problem that you'd created to exploit for political and economic leverage? We only complain about the shitty ass cake that you're forcing us all to eat, for a party we were never invited to...and yet, you are demanding that we pay for.
When you are confronted with evidence that global warming isn't happening, or isn't man-made: 1) say it's not true; it's all "denier talking points". Talking points you can't refute. 2) tell everyone that it's been "debunked" - when it hasn't, and you couldn't if you wanted to. 3) pretend that you have "all the scientists in the world" on your side...and anyone that questions your theory either isn't a "scientist", or if they are...somehow aren't a "real scientist". 4) pretend that the source of the truth must be tainted by "fossil fuel money", the Heartland Institute, the Koch brothers, or some other shadowy, suspicious entity. 5) Load up the discussion with extraneous "facts" from the IPCC and Greenpeace, no matter how discredited, irrelevant, or unverified. 6) call the person challenging you stupid, a denier, or a "flat-earther". 7) pretend that the only opposition to you is "religious". That's the entire playbook, right there.
You just don't get it. There are literally tens of thousands of scientists that don't think it's warming. And the evidence that it's warming is not "overwhelming"...in fact, if you've followed the saga of the temp datasets the last 15 years, it's far from clear. Look, I'm not here to lecture you on the skeptic's case...you obviously don't care, because you'd know it already if you did. You prefer to remain ignorant of the entire debate, and have already chosen a side. In the end, it all comes down to simple math...Hansen wants a target of 350ppm CO2. That's a ~11% reduction from current levels. But the FACT is...only 4% of the global CO2 is caused by humans. (How's that for a dirty little secret?) So how does Hansen intend to remove the last 7%, once the human race is gone? Someone should ask him.
They have their own garden of eden story, where Earth was a paradise before it was spoiled by man. Each person born has an original sin - of breathing, and using resources. As religions go, it is an apocalyptic one: unless you convert, not only will you perish, but so will all of humanity. They have their sacred holiday in the spring, which is observed worldwide and promoted by all the media and government. To convert, you need to practice certain sacred rituals - the sorting of trash, the purchase of particular "blessed" "green" products. Indulgences are offered as well - one must buy carbon credits to offset the sin that is one's existence, in order to be "clean". Their food must be prepared in accordance to their traditions: organically. They have their sacred texts; Earth in the Balance, Silent Spring, Inconvenient Truth, etc. They have a list of sacred totem animals they worship: the polar bear, the dolphin, the snail dart...all of which they value more than any human. They have their prophets; Al Gore, Rachel Carson, Michael Mann. And they have their heretics - oil companies in particular, industry in general, and deniers everywhere. Deniers that they openly compare to Nazis, want to tax oppressively, lock up, and censor - so they have their inquisition, too. (They'd probably burn you at the stake, as well, if not for the carbon.) This religion is also completely endorsed by our government - separation of church and state be damned - and we are forced by law in many ways to conform to its dogma. We are forced to tithe to it's churches and agenda. We are forced to obey it's edicts and regulations. To sacrifice on their altars. They think that the oceans are rising, even though they aren't; that the world is getting warmer, even though it isn't; that the ice is melting, even though it's not. But, most of all, they believe. With all their hearts. And they won't rest until you do, too.
No, it really isn't. There is plenty of science on the skeptical side, and trying to conflate it with asbestos and smoking is just lame.
Yeah, well this one was chairman of the american geophysical union for almost 30 years. And you are in no way able to judge his reasoning.
1) the northwest passage has open and closed all the time, all throughout history. 2) The ice caps shrank, then grew, then shrank, then grew again just in the last 25 years. So far, this September's ice is above last years'. But you forget the larger doomsday prediction: we were threatened for DECADES that the arctic was going to be ice-free forever at any time now, and it would spell doom. It still hasn't, and it still doesn't.
riiiiight and since the Vatican is all in on climate change, I'm supposed to take solace that the SkyGod and Green Religion have joined forces? Really?
the argument is only "overwhelming" when you ignore thousands of scientists who disagree, and don't included thousands of peer-reviewed papers that prove you wrong.
*that* I will agree with. I've often found that the data also becomes a quagmire after a point....next thing you know, an honest discussion has devolved into an argument over the significance of tree rings in medieval Greenland. Instead of keeping in focus the larger issue: none of their models are correct, and none of their predictions have come true.
Physicist Hal Lewis; Emeritus Professor of Physics at the University of California, Santa Barbara: "It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford's book organizes the facts very well.) I don't believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n...