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Milo Yiannopoulos Wants To Buy 4Chan, Promises Free Speech Haven (hollywoodreporter.com)
An anonymous Slashdot reader quotes The Hollywood Reporter:
Milo Yiannopoulos, an alt-right hero known for his banishment from Twitter, is preparing a bid to acquire his own social media firm: 4chan... The Hollywood Reporter learned that Yiannopoulos, with the help of a wealthy backer, is preparing to approach 4chan owner Hiroyuki Nishimura, a Japanese entrepreneur, with a bid this week. Contacted Saturday, Yiannopoulos confirmed plans for a possible acquisition but did not offer details.
"As a free-speech fundamentalist and a student of Internet culture, I appreciate how fragile and precious the 4chan ecosystem is and how much it gives to the wider Internet -- even if some corners of it, such as /pol/, don't always approve of me very much," Yiannopoulos said... "I spoke to my lawyer this morning about purchasing the business... I intend to approach the current owners in the next few days with an offer."
Yiannopoulos added this his philosophy as an owner "would be very simple: free-speech central, no ifs, no buts."
"As a free-speech fundamentalist and a student of Internet culture, I appreciate how fragile and precious the 4chan ecosystem is and how much it gives to the wider Internet -- even if some corners of it, such as /pol/, don't always approve of me very much," Yiannopoulos said... "I spoke to my lawyer this morning about purchasing the business... I intend to approach the current owners in the next few days with an offer."
Yiannopoulos added this his philosophy as an owner "would be very simple: free-speech central, no ifs, no buts."
PEPE
I'm not actually sure who I want in charge of the place less, him or Martin Shkreli.
I thought everyone had become weary of his "look at me, I'm a naughty, naughty boy" shtick.
Milo's all about freedom of speech. I don't know if he can keep the lights on at 4Chan, but I'm pretty sure he's not going to fuck it up the way an SJW would.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
sad that so called social media as they expand try to restrict speech to what is acceptable in a drawing room of bourgeois white women, and internet has to depend on a self described faggot troll to consciously create a truly free speech haven.
I feel this is the chance we need to finally break this like cuntsmear of a man
Everyone knows Japmoot just wants moar yen.
It would have to be literally free. Anyway, who needs the stupid thing... there are many alternatives and most of them are better. Let 4chan die and let the alternatives thrive.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
I can wait the see the Slashbots clutch their pearls over this one.
If Twitter won't protect it, perhaps 4Chan will. #FreeMilo
FABULOUS!!!
WE LOVE YOU, YOU CRAZY FAGGOT!
'Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
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I am not yelling... I am excited...
Captcha: endowed(Milo prefers big black dicks btw, just to let that white faggot know, the one who spams racist slurs)
"I spoke to my lawyer this morning about purchasing the business," said Yiannopoulos. "I intend to approach the current owners in the next few days with an offer. My philosophy as owner would be very simple: free-speech central, no ifs, no buts."
I did a quick search of how 4Chan makes money and I don't see it. Meaning, if someone approached me about financing a purchase, I'd ask how I am going to get my returns.
Only if Microsoft Tay gets a permanent account.
While I disagree with Milo on many, many things, he seems to be committed to free speech above all.
Also he showed that he is able and willing to learn and change his oppinion when presented with new facts: There are famous tweets from him where he accused gamers of being immature, but a few month later he recanted and even tried to learn how to play Dota2.
On the other hand I fear that 4chan may turn out to be un-monetizeable. Most advertisers will never agree to show their ads there, not even on the worksafe boards, plus most 4chan users probably have an adblocker enabled anyway.
Whether you like 4chan or not (I don't, particularly), you have to agree that speech there has been pretty freewheeling. And that's perhaps 4chan's most redeeming feature, the one feature I wouldn't want to change. And Milo is, simply put, the best possible custodian of free speech. Whether you like Milo or not (I happen to like him, a lot (no, I'm not gay (but I have nothing against gay or any LGBT people, and am probably bisexual (this is a lot of nested parentheses, huh? But am keeping track, we're at number 4.)))) you must admit that there are few people as dedicated to free speech as he is.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
4chan is about as much of a 'social media firm' as the rumor grapevine in a prison is. It's like the bar in Mos Eisley but without the nice parts: scum and villanry, all day every day.
You know what happens when white men really become angry? Everybody else ends up in a mass grave, that's what happens.
Right up to the moment someone reminds the angry white men how they're responsible for most of today's ills, whether rapes, mass shootings, extermination of species and people, child molestation and child rape and so on. Then suddenly it will be, "Shut them down! Facts don't belong here! SJW alert!"
If these angry white men are going to go on about how they've been the ones to create most of what we have, they also have to take the blame for the equal amount of the bad which have come along with it.
You can't have it both ways.
Wow.
What drugs are you on and what color is the sky on your planet?
Let's just take the Freddy Gray case - a black person was killed in the hands of black police officers in a city run by a black mayor with a black prosecutor.
BUT IT'S ALL WHITEY'S FAULT!!!
Milo's is POS NAZI.
The two are made for each other. And seeing as how there is NO WAY to monetize the site it drain him dry. Great business move. What a tool....errr umm..troll.
If he owns 4chan, they can't ban him from it. Makes complete sense.
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
Al Gore once titled a movie of his "an inconvenient truth". The premise being that the truth can be isn't convenient, pretty or profitable. It's an argument that was widely embraced by the left when it was in there favor. Now that it is against their favor it is condemned (flashbacks of wikileaks anyone?).
Milo has previously stated that in today's society only trolls are allowed to speak the truth. This position used to be taken by the court jester or fool, the one person who could speak freely, to say what no one else dared. In today's society sites like 4chan have become the fool, saying what no one else dares.
4chan or it's replacement while always exist because history has always demanded that the truth be told, no matter how politically incorrect it is.
Let him do it! let it be a moneysink for him! let him go bankrupt! fuck that guy!
Without those evile white men recognizing that these things are indeed horrible, we would still be in antiquity, ethics-wise.
Slavery, sexism and all other kinds of barbarity were "business as usual" for 95% of human history.
Yiannopoulos added this his philosophy as an owner "would be very simple: free-speech central, no ifs, no buts."
Let me know how that goes for you 5 seconds in when somebody posts child porn or makes a credible threat of violence.
Last time I checked, the government wasn't trying shut him or 4chan up/down. There isn't a need for a haven, he just wants a place for shitty people to be shitty people on the internet. Equating free speech with shitposting and demanding to be heard and respected demeans free speech and needs to stop! Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1357/
Rejoice...... :/
You're messin' with my Zen Thing, man.....
You don't understand 4chan do you? Or free speech for that matter. In the appropriate boards, like /pol or /b you can attack white people, call for the death of all men, advocate communism, extreme leftist anarchism, or whatever you want. And 4chan won't ban you, or censor your posts. Now, if you says stuff the user bases doesn't like, well they may insult you, tell you to get cancer, ignore you, hell they may even debate you. Free speech works for both sides. This is way better than most left wing boards, which I have noticed will censor your post, or ban you if your opinions stray too far from the mainstream.
Except those are mostly what are known as "lies", not facts. The worst cases of modern oppression and extermination have certainly not been committed by 'white' people, particularly if we further limit it to those white peoples that are traditionally considered to make up 'the West' (and thus exclude the attempted ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, which America and Western Europe opposed.) And you are free to look up the statistics on rape and molestation yourself; the causative agents are more complicated than either side wants to admit, but using a simple and naive survey of the facts the racist-tinged radical right of today usually comes off looking a lot better than the 'reverse'-racist radical left.
And it doesn't help your cause that gay white men (including but certainly not limited to aberrant right-wingers like Milo) are being removed from their former place of victimhood. I'm not at all sure what the radical left hopes to accomplish by intentionally ejecting millions of people from their base.
The really sad part is, you guys could've easily taken the wind out of the sails of the alt-right by simply being rational and favoring free speech, but instead you've chosen to double-down on that reactionary white-bashing that, while kinda cute and perhaps even thought-provoking in the 1990s, comes off as rather delusional and self-destructive in 2016. You've given people like Milo the high ground, and it's going to take you at least half a generation to get it back.
People could ask the same question about /..
Some sites just don't know when to quit.
I know, right? The 21st century is all about properly censored and curated 'safe spaces.' WTF is he thinking?
While we're on the subject, what are David Duke, Jared Taylor and the rest of their KK buddies up to? How about the USA neo-Nazi movement? Are they looking to buy a strip mall somewhere? How about the Bundy clan? Are they looking to build a new outhouse at their compound? Does Dylan Roof have a special someone he is prison pen-pals with now?
I'm really, really not down with /. reporting on hate group leaders like they are the Kardashians.
Yeah. A site that was started in 2003 is 20th century, moron.
Picture this: Milo standing in front of Twitter Inc, yelling
"Oh, no room for Milo, huh? Fine! I'll go and buy my own microblogging service. With Blackjack! Aaaaand hookers!"
Then again, what'd he do with the hookers... Ahh, screw the whole thing!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You know what happens when white men really become angry? Everybody else ends up in a mass grave, that's what happens.
Cambodia, Tibet, Rwanda, Turkey, Saddam-era Iraq, etc.
You want to argue Hitler trumps stuff like that, fine, but that requires admitting (rightly or wrongly) that the Jews have suffered the most and it also implies that they are non-white.
This might come back to bite you in the ass if you ever want to argue that some disputed cases of land theft in the immediate aftermath of that persecution were the worst atrocities ever committed and our current support of Israel is therefore entirely unjustified.
Right up to the moment someone reminds the angry white men how they're responsible for most of today's ills, whether rapes, mass shootings, extermination of species and people, child molestation and child rape and so on. Then suddenly it will be, "Shut them down! Facts don't belong here! SJW alert!"
If these angry white men are going to go on about how they've been the ones to create most of what we have, they also have to take the blame for the equal amount of the bad which have come along with it.
You can't have it both ways.
#ClownLivesMatter, right?
Moot allowed several of his SJW buddies run the site, which led to the mass-banning of gamergate shit across the site.
They are the ones running the site now. Hiroyuki is barely in control of it.
This was made apparent very recently when mods were constantly deleting fine threads on boards to the point that large numbers got in touch with Hiroyuki, asking him to listen to them.
The mods are under current watch by him, suddenly fucking nothing from those mods.
The mods have tried to slowly erode the site for the past few years now.
Barely any of the older mods are even around now. All kicked out not that long before the whole SJW movement was secretly gaining momentum through blackmail and victim-playing.
I'm not one to defend the (new!) Anonymous movement. In fact, I fucking hated it.
Forced Anonymous took a nice, fun twisted anime-discussion / shitposting mostly pro-identity site and turned it a 180 to pro-Anonymous discussion srs bsns anti-identity site crap. The Habbo Hotel raid nonsense certainly never helped.
But even still, even after the site of 03-06 died and these actual children moved in, the site was still fine until 2010-11 when THEY (and that spineless moot) ruined the site. It has been shit ever since.
Collectively the largest communities left the site around those years and still are to this very day.
The only people left on 4chan are the truly hopeless ones, the few other remaining older yotsubites, shitposters, oh and now and Reddit / Tumblr / Twitter / 9gag.
Ever heard of the Holocaust?
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Just let it die already, there is no reason to keep 4chan on life support anymore. Do the needful and just kill it.
angry white men how they're responsible for most of today's ills, whether rapes, mass shootings, extermination of species and people, child molestation and child rape
The only one of those that's even arguably true is extermination of species and people, and even that has the caveat of only applying to the last few centuries. Plenty of people and cultures were wiped out by non-white people farther back.
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
If I can get a bit more theoretical here, a number of people have posted the Free Speech xkcd comic. It's absolutely right that there is a difference between 'the government won't arrest you' and 'no one should be compelled to host content they disagree with'. For this reason, I am indeed glad that Milo is keeping 4chan as a place where people can indeed post unpopular opinions.
However, I've been thinking about this recently: to what end is it not required for there to be a platform given? Twitter doesn't want to host offensive tweets. Fine. I'll join the four people on Google Plus and do it. Well, seems the other three people on Google Plus don't like my offensive speech, either.
Okay. I'll head on over to HostGator and install Friendica and make my own place where I can post my offensive things. Well, HostGator says I can't do that on their servers, rinse and repeat for GoDaddy, BlueHost, and 1&1. I head over to Amazon and rent some server time there, but Amazon says I can't post my offensive things there.
Fine, no more cloud for me - want something done right, DIY time. So, I call up Verizon and get their you-can-have-a-web-server FiOS package and load up an old desktop with a LAMP stack and host it myself. Verizon says they're not obligated to give me a platform, and when I call Cablevision, I get the same story. So, "no one is required to give me a platform" is, at its logical conclusion, a statement that can prevent a sufficiently offensive message from ever reaching the internet.
What is the reasonable expectation here? Should someone sufficiently down the line be expected to provide the same platform to hate speech as they provide to acceptable speech? Obviously I paint a picture of a fairly remote possibility, but it does raise the question of how "freedom of the press" works if no one will sell you a printing press.
Discuss.
The best way to defend against speech is to let people hear it and either ignore it or learn to argue against it. Free speech is essential for this reason, and if that was not the case the world and US would never have been able to improve. Not just science and technology, but overall social improvements. We would not have Government Welfare if not for people advocating an unpopular position, as one easy example.
What you are doing is attempting to claim that every person involved in a movement is responsible for every other single individual's actions and statements within the movement. If you want to play that game, do you believe that all people in BLM want to kill all cops, rob and vandalize all people with more money than they have (which is not much when you are not working), and kill all white people? I'm guessing that in that case because it's your side you would deny the over generalization, but yet you use that same over generalization with others.
Do you have any other double standards or hypocritical positions you would like me to explain to you?
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Ah yes. The Holocaust, the ultimate evil... (no seriously it was pretty bad, dont get me wrong).
10Million victims, more or less.
Chinese Civil wars usually dont get fun until they reach 20 million victims. (Not just the ones in the 19th century, they had several that made it into this order of magnitude)
Mongol Conquests: 25 Million
Communism is clocked at (conservatively) 100 million victims. (If we consider that Fascism was only created in a desperate bid to stop communism you can get easily as high as 150 million vicitims for commnuism)
I guess I should be happy for you: Obviously you underestimate just how murderous humans can get, regardless of race.
Must be great to be this innocent.
Sure. I've also heard of "Israel", that thing that popped up after the Holocaust that much of the left wants to constantly demonize and insist that we not support in in any way. I also vaguely recall something about my country fighting against the country that perpetrated the Holocaust.
I also remember the killing fields in Cambodia, the horrific oppression in Tibet, Rwanda (bonus points for the first one to blame this entirely on whitey), the Armenian genocide, etc. Some of these things happened pretty recently, whereas there are very few people still alive today who actively participated in the Holocaust.
The OP said "today's ills". The Holocaust is many things, but it is not "today's ills" by any reasonable definition of the term. This isn't about exonerating our past or current crimes; it's about pointing out this ludicrous, self-destructive streak on the left that unironically asserts that white/western/American self-flagellation is a panacea for the world's ills.
So you just conveniently cherry pick dates. It's called moving the goalpost.
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And it doesn't help your cause that gay white men (including but certainly not limited to aberrant right-wingers like Milo) are being removed from their former place of victimhood. I'm not at all sure what the radical left hopes to accomplish by intentionally ejecting millions of people from their base.
Gay white men have always been privileged, notice how they forced Reagan to shutdown 100 Navy ships in order to research how to infect more blacks with AIDS and then only 30 years later, they forced everybody to get gay married. Not to mention being on all the popular TV shows and making the rest of us feel bad since they were so damn stylish.
It's like you never heard of Roy Moore, another victim of their abuses. Lost his job because of them, now he'll never finish saving Alabama for Moses. Or like in North Carolina, how the gays are forcing everybody to play basketball in women's restrooms.
The gays are tyrants. They have been since ancient Greece when they started the Trojan War to invent condoms.
Learn the factualities. Embrace Truthicaness. The only persecuted gay is a midget dwarf, aka Tyrion Lannister, aka the Prince who was Promised, aka the Rightful King of Westeros, oldest living son of Aerys the Mad, last annointed King of the Targaryens. Long Live the King. Fire and Blood. May History never forget the name Enterprise. And in the darkness bind them. Kneel before Zod.
So you just conveniently cherry pick dates. It's called moving the goalpost.
No, you disingenuous twit. As I just clearly explained, the OP originally planted the goalpost by using the phrase "today's ills". In my original reply, I clearly indicated that I was addressing this specific topic via my use of the word "modern." You are the only one who is attempting to move the goalpost here.
the Jews have suffered the most and it also implies that they are non-white.
Jews are not white. They are, genetically, the same as Palestinians. No one would ever say a Palestinian was white.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
the Jews have suffered the most and it also implies that they are non-white. Jews are not white. They are, genetically, the same as Palestinians. No one would ever say a Palestinian was white.
You're thinking of Sephardic Jews. My post was implicitly dealing with Ashkennazi Jews, the primary victims of the Holocaust and the majority of the Jewish diaspora in America. You can argue (as many others have) that they are non-white as well. I don't hugely care myself, but other than some parts of the extreme right, I think the overwhelming majority of modern America treats them as white.
That seems like a pretty stupid use of the shitload of money that's going to be required to buy this thing. Maybe he could just get therapy for his emotional problems with it and the world would end up a better place, instead of just perpetuating the self-congratulatory bullshit of the "Extreme free speech" community on 4chan.
But that would require the ability for introspection, which this cat clearly lacks. So never mind--buyout 4chan it is!
Who did what now?
I dislike the man quite a lot. But completely agree, there is no one else I know of that I would trust quite as much to keep/improve the free speech aspect of 4chan.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
...because we were so far unable to hear unpopular things on the Internet, which is heavily censored.
From way over at the other end of the political spectrum, I don`t think the issues that Amy Goodman & co at ``Democracy Now`` like to follow are as well-covered by larger media outlets as they `should` be, but, I don`t imagine that CBS has other priorities because of some dark conspiracy; Amy`s fave topics just get lower ratings.
As for *COMMENTS* ... as for the notion that The People are unable to be heard for lack of a web site that lets them get their thoughts out for all to see...holy cow, I`ve been reading the most astonishing nonsense spewed by eccentrics and nuts onto the Internet since it was invented; I mean, 30 years since the first conspiracy-theory threads on USENET.
The notion that we NEED one more takes my breath away, like saying our society doesn`t have enough access to Big Macs; the notion that he can SELL one more in a saturated market - by perhaps being extra-friendly to some particularly objectionable bunch that have worn out their welcome elsewhere...that makes total sense.
Ever heard of Chairman Mao?
You should educate yourself on what his 5 year plans accomplished. What he and Stalin did makes the holocaust seem like a sidenote leading up to the real campaigns of death.
Actually, on closer examination it seems neither Ashkenazi nor Sephardi are "identical" to ethnically Arabic peoples in the region. I'd look into this further but I'm frankly just not that interested. Putting aside some interesting but extremely controversial arguments about whether specific genes for enhanced intelligence might some day be isolated and found to be more prevalent in one race or another... in the context of our discussion, racism is about culture, not genetics.
Good job there weren't any white male communists. Lenin was... uh, a Jewish black woman, right?
The Left has gained such control over media, academia, and government that certain ideas were entirely banished from the public eye. This left us with "cuckservatives," or neoconservatives who believed in Leftist goals through conservative methods, as the only option to the Left. That option was not an alternative, so the Alternative Right arose.
Censorship can occur through many methods. It is not merely a legal term; it means disallowing your ideological opponents from expressing necessary ideas as a way of weakening them. Doxxing people, getting them fired from their jobs, and otherwise destroying their lives is a means of censorship. This is why anonymous internet forums like 4chan came about: people wanted to talk about these taboo things.
Milo is "alt lite," according to most, in that he is from the libertarian tradition of anarchy with free markets more than the Alt Right mainstream of opposing equality. He will be fair as an owner of a free speech site, as there is nothing on record showing him ever supporting censorship or trying to censor others.
Alternative Right.
We live in Leftist times, under governments dedicated to equality and diversity, and therefore Leftist views are uncontroversial and for that reason, perceived as "inoffensive."
It is the same thing as someone in the Soviet Union saying that they support the Party. Well, who doesn't? Vaclav Havel makes a good point with "The Power of the Powerless" on this topic, which is that people go along with the dominant paradigm out of fear, not agreement.
"No platform" is designed (per its origins with Antifa in the 70s) to eliminate the chance for ideological non-conformists to express themselves. It is entirely enforced with fear. No sane person should support it, because it creates a compulsory hive-mind which refuses to consider that it might not be entirely right in its assumptions.
Alternative Right.
Jared Taylor continues to write at American Renaissance, which is experiencing increasing popularity as people become dissatisfied with the Establishment Narrative.
Many are independent homelands through regional and local communities.
Alternative Right.
Our government actively shuts down speech it does not agree with.
And in Europe, government shuts down un-PC speech all the time. The new anti-troll policies are just part of the assault; these governments also collude with social media and raid the homes of people who say the "wrong" things.
Do you trust government to define what is true, and what is not, by censoring what they perceive to be untrue or "offensive"?
Alternative Right.
Control works by an obvious mechanism: define something necessary as taboo in order to force everyone to do what the controller intends.
Right now in the West, many topics -- diversity, sexual equality, democracy, socialism -- are protected by making criticism of them taboo.
A sensible middle position is to remove the taboo, and see what is actually true, and then act on that instead of the control mechanism.
Alternative Right.
Not to mention the long history of Leftist violence, including the French Revolution in which whole families -- men, women and children -- were sent to the guillotine, and the ensuing Napoleonic Wars which were designed to force all of Europe to be Leftist.
Ideologies do not change. They want total dominance and control. Censorship non-conforming speech is just one of the many methods they use toward that end.
Alternative Right.
FFS, the topic at hand is "today's ills" and "modern oppression."
This includes Turkish oppression of Kurds (and perhaps the continued denial about the Armenian genocide), Chinese oppression of Tibetans, blacks oppressing each other in Africa, Mexicans oppressing indigenous people, and yes it includes a few cases of whites oppressing non-whites. For example, I'd say Australia's current shockingly paternalistic attitudes towards their Aboriginal citizens constitute at least mild oppression by any reasonable definition. (They recently banned all pornography specifically from aboriginal areas, apparently because they think that if they allow aboriginal peoples to get too horny they'll run out and rape the first child they see. I wish I were making this up.)
Whites are not the biggest oppressors on the planet at this moment in time. (But I don't particularly think that whiteness is a useful cultural identifier, particularly on international scales.) And they certainly aren't the most likely to rape or molest in America, like the OP apparently tried to claim. (We can argue about whether the statistics need to be adjusted for poverty and/or institutional racism, but the OP flatly asserted that these things were mostly caused by white people in today's world.)
Free speech needs a safe space.
Why would anyone want to buy cancer? 4chan is so 2005...
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
You wrote the 'W' abbreviation. It's making me uncomfortable, please stop the microagressions.
Sincerely,
Snowflake
Free Speech _IS_ a blank check. Private organizations can say what ever they wish, just like people can say what they wish including people working in Government. If a company promotes bad policy they go out of business. If a person misrepresents the company, they can be terminated but still speak their piece. If a politician says things you don't like you vote for the alternative candidate and remove them from office. You can only get to those positions by actually listening to a side you may disagree with.
Your attempt to jump from free speech to libel demonstrates a complete lack of maturity and failure to comprehend "accountability". If I lie about you sure, I can and should be sued for lying. I stand up for my words and attempt to avoid dishonesty, but I can say what I like. You don't have to agree, and if I'm wrong prove me wrong. Do so in court and get a paycheck if the Judge believes you.
What you, and the Marxist/Progressive/Left attempt to do is criminalize and silence thoughts they dislike. You believe that thought and action must always coexist. Ever been mad enough to commit violence against someone? You may not have acted on it, but by your own definition you should be in jail for life because we all rationalize good and bad behavior. The difference between the criminals and everyone else is that the criminals act on the rationalization, most of us do not.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Damn, Milo. You sure abutt that?
Telling lies, repeatedly attacking critics and handing off attacks to his circle?
Well THAT "first amendment zone" will be dead on arrival!
Back to your safe space, honey!
4chan, where you are Free to Speak in a forum that governments and others have (rightfully?) associated with child pornographers and pedophiles. Where do I sign up- the Ministry Of Free Speech? Oh, so much chocolate this month, life on the internet just keeps getting better and better.
Not exactly. It's the default space that allows expression. I suppose it does need protection from those who would try to take it over to impose their own limited views as the default. These typically take the form of anti-'harassment' and 'hate'-speech laws.
Did you just assume my gender identity?!?!
It will become just another forum for angry white people to complain that the election was rigged.
Let me clarify that, then: Right now, free speech needs a safe space. It shouldn't, but it does.
A generation of citizens, now old enough to vote, appear convinced that free speech is a completely meaningless concept (I'm not talking legal vs. illegal, but whether the term means anything at all) outside of a narrow discussion of the First Amendment. I sometimes try to suggest that maybe Twitter shouldn't censor people on political grounds by using an argument that phone companies don't generally go around telling people whom they are and aren't allowed to speak to or what they're allowed to talk about... the response is either silence or "Well, why not? They're a private company and free speech is entirely meaningless / worthless / irrelevant if we're talking about private companies and not the government."
And if you don't see what's wrong with that argument, try replacing "anti-free speech" with any other controversial activity.
no. u. r.
I'm just waiting for someone to point Watson at /b/.
Have gnu, will travel.
...protect the 1st Amd? Arrogant and conceited little ginger. Needs a lesson in manners.
the idea that a homo will save free speech from fags is awesome, it memberberrys me of that south park episode, being a homo is not a problem, being a faggot is, and it has nothing to do with sexuality at all
and very sad that 4chan is considered the last bastion of free speech on the fucking internet.
This will be a good thing.
The main new issue with the big social media sites is trend to "international" funding and new global ownership.
That offers international funders a say in comment policy forever changing US free speech foundations.
Why risk account closure or been reported per nation for further action by commenting on the news or any gov/mil/spy policy?
Free public comment on any topic is now been altered on huge once "free" US social media sites to avoid teams of the site's new global censorship teams.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Cambodia, Tibet, Rwanda, Turkey, Saddam-era Iraq, etc.
You want to argue Hitler trumps stuff like that, fine, but that requires admitting (rightly or wrongly) that the Jews have suffered the most and it also implies that they are non-white.
They were all a bunch of amateurs. Wake me when you hit 9 figures...
Regards,
Chairman Mao
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
While Lenin was white, he was also decidedly on the LEFT of the political spectrum, so if the Left would like to claim and own his purges and deaths of tens of millions - more power to them!
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
"w" means "lol" in Japanese (for some reason, because Japan), it took me a moment to figure out what you were referring to anon
4chan is "precious"? That is over the top laughable.
This may be apocryphal, but Woody Allen have said something like: prostitution is not the world's oldest profession. They needed customers first. Beggars are the world's oldest profession.
Websites, internet chat rooms, and social networking also need 'customers.'
Anyway, I observed the following occur in my 4 favorites internet forums from circa 2000 to 2006. These were common interest/hobby sites. Three of the sites had very little constraints on speech, and minimal moderation. The TOS on the forth site included "play nice," "avoid politics and religion," and "posts should be "appropriate for people 14 years or older." Some of us joked at times that some of the moderators who were kinda like school marms, they were literally, mothers and parents of children, and at times would apply that last one as "should be appropriate for people 14 years and younger."
Note again that these were a hobby sites, not a politics or current events site.
Over those years the un and undermoderated sites all suffered badly from trolls, not nice speech, flame wars, personal attacks, etc. Site one was the premier internet forum for one hobby, and the forums on that site became moribund as people like me left. Site two broke into opposing warring camps, money was involved, and it became vicious. One side prevailed, but activity declined by a high percent as, again, people like me left. Site three had had it's up's and downs, similar wars and bad blood, cliques, and declined in status in the hobby.
The fourth more heavily moderated site has thrived and grown. It is the same hobby as the first site. The second site is a nitch. The third site saw some other sites on the same subject rise up. It used to be one of the top sites in it's field, now it is lower down, one of several.
I used to hate the moderation on the fourth site. Now I like it because I know I can go there and relax. I don't have to wade through bs, swearing (ahem), political bs, you know. I pretty much gave up on the other three.
Conclusion: A fair percent of the population likes internet sites where you interact with people in a courteous fashion. A fair, I would say a smaller but more vocal part of the population likes to get on the internet and fight it out, and sometimes fight dirty. Setting aside the censorship issue: if a lack of censorship leaves the doors opens to a few feisty or jerk members, you may find a large number of other people going elsewhere. Just like a brick and mortar store, bar, restaurant, public event. If brawls break out, most people will go elsewhere.
If brawls and boorish behavior continue on a site, many will crash and burn. It may still move on if it can attract enough sociopaths and psychopaths.
You know. Like Slashdot.
w = warau, "laughing" in Japanese.
Rather than admit what an organization is, and who it is connected to today, you'd rather whine about its supposed origin. This just in, the parties as they existed decades ago DO NOT EXIST TODAY.
I have flashbacks from the pre-Obama era too.