Syntactically it is a kludge, the objective part doesn't obey any of C's syntax rules. I'm no
great fan of C++ myself but at least something like "class fred {" is an obvious extrapolation of
"struct fred{ ]".
And no I've not coded in Obj-C but I've seen code and that was enough to convince me not to bother
and thats ignoring the fact that its a virtual irrelevancy in both the Unix and Windows worlds
so career wise these days its about as much use as learning ALGOL or PL/1.
Since the rest of the world uses C++ wouldn't that have made a TEENSY bit more sense or even
given that OS X is BSD Unix at its core just put all the APIs in C and have wrappers in a language-u-like?
Objective C is a kludge of a language, syntactically it looks like a language from a completely
different paradigm was parachuted into C with little or no attempt whatsoever at merging the
syntax so you end up with something that looks
IMO similar to embedded SQL and just as ugly.
For all their faults , at least you can see that Java and C++ are a natural progression from C
syntactically.
Why a troll for gods sake?? Its a serioud point I was trying to make or is it the 13 year olds
doing the moderating today who can't even spell "issues" never mind understand what they are??
Why? Because all these enviromental generating schemes do is prevent the building of NEW fossil
fuel stations. What never happens is the replacement of a fossil fuel power station with
a renewable energy one. We need to reduce our overall power consumption. How many of you leave
your PC switched on for no reason other than you can't be bothered to wait 1 min for it to boot
when you want to use it again in 3 hours time?
UNtil peoples free for all attitude to energy consumption changes all we'll be doing is buying
ourselves a little bit more time but the end result of massive climate change will still occur.
Building more nuclear plants would help but the liberal right-on lobby would have a apoplectic fit
if anyone suggested that because in their not-too-bright minds they do a simplistic link between nuclear power and nuclear war so hence its verbotten.
... you couldn't really build a bigger magnet for future terrorist in the Osama mould. Granted
Australia isn't exactly top of the fanatics hit list at the moment but if that changes in the
future I can see this tower becoming literally the biggest security headache in the world.
Once the developing countries had developed to
a certain point their CO2 output would have been
frozen. The whole point of Kyoto was to provide
a paltform for the eventual reduction of CO2
emmisions. If you think its all bull you might
be interested to know that if it wasn't for the
current of CO2 in our atmosphere the AVERAGE
temperature of the earth would drop to appox -30C.
What do you think doubling that amount will do?
Sure it won't happen immediately because of the
buffering effects of the oceans but once it does
and we don't do anything about it we're in deep
shit as it'll cause melting of the siberian permafrost
and the oceanic methyl hydrates and god help us
when that happens.
If the greenhouse effect from all the original CO2 had been good enough to keep the planet
warm it would never have frozen in the first place. The fact that it is frozen means either
that
A) it wasn't good enough and no matter how much of the trapped CO2 you release it won't warm mars
much
or
B) More likely the atmosphere has been eroded over
the billenia by the solar wind and it has literally
blown away and there is very little frozen CO2 to liberate in the soil.
It wont happen at all since there are zero
nutrients in the martian soil which also happens
to be highly oxidising. Any plant in it would be
killed before it even germinated. Its an annoying
fact that the terraforming brigade always "forget"
to mention.
Well if its junk science then most of the enviromental scientists must be imposters or have
a hidden agenda since 99% of them agree its happening. The only people who don't are a bunch
of whinging yank politicians who want to go on
using their 8mpg SUVs and sod the rest of the world. Are you one of them by any chance since
you're using the same no evidence slag-them-off
type argument.
YOu mean it'll remove cheap energy from yanks so
they won't be able to drive round in 5.0L SUVs
anymore and have aircon on 24x7. It'll make
bugger all difference to developing countries
since the kyoto protocol made exceptions for
them anyway. Nice try pal...
I'd be pretty impressed if you could fit the
entire contents of an olympic sized pool inside
the wings of a 767. Unless they've borrowed
technology from Dr Who's Tardis I think this is
pretty unlikely don't you?
YOu need to go redo your chemistry because you're talking out of your rear end. Hydrogen isn't even
close to being the most chemically active element in the world. Elements such as flourine and sodium
are FAR more reactive. Hydrogen gas is only
dangerous when mixed with oxygen and a source of
ignition is present. If your argument was correct
the outer gas planets would have exploded billions
of years ago given that they're about 90% hydrogen
each.
As CPU clock speed goes up so the competency of
OS programmers goes down. Give an MS programmer
a 25MHz machine and he'd be lucky to manage to
write an app that can add 1 + 1 in a reasonable
time.
Why is it that with almost all X extentions
no one EVER bothers to publish the Xlib APIs for
it. Do they assume that everyone uses some high
level toolkit when writing to X? I prefer using
Xlib as it gives me complete control over what
happens on screen, toolkits don't.
WHy the hell do we have to have VB installed to
use this? Can't these guys write some small little
add-on in C++ or are they not up to coding in
a proper programming language??
Excuse me for pointing out the obvious but if
ocean currents were just due to water running "downhill" they would eventually stop
when the place they were running to filled up.
Since this clearly doesn't occur (and water has
to flow out of these areas against gravity) then
I think its safe to say you're talking out of
your rear end.
Whatever you do you can virtually guarantee that
M$ will come out with blurb about "rich" programmer
experiences or "Meeting todays challenges" or some
other marketdroid BS and will promptly throw some
"features" into SOAP that no one really needs
that will be a virus writers dream. No I don't
know what these might be but I'm just going by
their previous track record on security.
Enlightenment? No thanks, I want a use a WM that allows me to get stuff done, not stare at a
2nd rate graphics demo. And FYI don't use KDE but I get sick of the hypocfracy of people who slag
off windows but like nothing better than to emulate it on their linux boxes via KDE.
HEy , why don't they just the whole way and bring out KVisualBasic too then we could turn Linux into
a huge muppetware fest just like Windows! I always thought programmers in Linux were real
programmers, not point and click IDE monkeys.
Sure , you can change the look and feel of KDE but then you can if you want use a different
shell in Windows. But the *default* install looks
pretty much like Windows presumably to appeal to
Windows users. Fine, but I don't want to use something that looks like Windows out of the box
and have to hack around for 30 mins trying to
make it look like afterstep when I can just use
afterstep itself! Why bother?
Re:KDE is the environment of choice
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Slackware has a simple installer that does was it says - it installs. And anyone with an IQ greater
than their shoe size should be able to use it. As for package management , is typing "cd , tar -xvf "
really such an effort?
I hear windows has a nice friendly installer with lots of pretty graphics, perhaps you should think
about trying it.
Re:KDE is the environment of choice
on
KDE Wins 3 awards
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· Score: 0
Its ironic isn't it that people slag off Windows left right and center on here but bring out a
WM on Linux that looks exactly like it and they're climbing all over each other to heap praise
and adulation on it. Can any of you people spell
"hypocrite"??
Slashdot Mirror
So they tag the packets with a "this is part XXX" tag and resend them over and over. Not a big deal
but I can see it being a bandwidth hog.
Probably a typo. I suspect he meant a 20 Gigs. At least I hope he did!
Syntactically it is a kludge, the objective part doesn't obey any of C's syntax rules. I'm no
great fan of C++ myself but at least something like "class fred {" is an obvious extrapolation of
"struct fred{ ]".
And no I've not coded in Obj-C but I've seen code and that was enough to convince me not to bother
and thats ignoring the fact that its a virtual irrelevancy in both the Unix and Windows worlds
so career wise these days its about as much use as learning ALGOL or PL/1.
Since the rest of the world uses C++ wouldn't that have made a TEENSY bit more sense or even
given that OS X is BSD Unix at its core just put all the APIs in C and have wrappers in a language-u-like?
Objective C is a kludge of a language, syntactically it looks like a language from a completely
different paradigm was parachuted into C with little or no attempt whatsoever at merging the
syntax so you end up with something that looks
IMO similar to embedded SQL and just as ugly.
For all their faults , at least you can see that Java and C++ are a natural progression from C
syntactically.
Why a troll for gods sake?? Its a serioud point I was trying to make or is it the 13 year olds
doing the moderating today who can't even spell "issues" never mind understand what they are??
Why? Because all these enviromental generating schemes do is prevent the building of NEW fossil
fuel stations. What never happens is the replacement of a fossil fuel power station with
a renewable energy one. We need to reduce our overall power consumption. How many of you leave
your PC switched on for no reason other than you can't be bothered to wait 1 min for it to boot
when you want to use it again in 3 hours time?
UNtil peoples free for all attitude to energy consumption changes all we'll be doing is buying
ourselves a little bit more time but the end result of massive climate change will still occur.
Building more nuclear plants would help but the liberal right-on lobby would have a apoplectic fit
if anyone suggested that because in their not-too-bright minds they do a simplistic link between nuclear power and nuclear war so hence its verbotten.
... you couldn't really build a bigger magnet for future terrorist in the Osama mould. Granted
Australia isn't exactly top of the fanatics hit list at the moment but if that changes in the
future I can see this tower becoming literally the biggest security headache in the world.
Once the developing countries had developed to
a certain point their CO2 output would have been
frozen. The whole point of Kyoto was to provide
a paltform for the eventual reduction of CO2
emmisions. If you think its all bull you might
be interested to know that if it wasn't for the
current of CO2 in our atmosphere the AVERAGE
temperature of the earth would drop to appox -30C.
What do you think doubling that amount will do?
Sure it won't happen immediately because of the
buffering effects of the oceans but once it does
and we don't do anything about it we're in deep
shit as it'll cause melting of the siberian permafrost
and the oceanic methyl hydrates and god help us
when that happens.
If the greenhouse effect from all the original CO2 had been good enough to keep the planet
warm it would never have frozen in the first place. The fact that it is frozen means either
that
A) it wasn't good enough and no matter how much of the trapped CO2 you release it won't warm mars
much
or
B) More likely the atmosphere has been eroded over
the billenia by the solar wind and it has literally
blown away and there is very little frozen CO2 to liberate in the soil.
It wont happen at all since there are zero
nutrients in the martian soil which also happens
to be highly oxidising. Any plant in it would be
killed before it even germinated. Its an annoying
fact that the terraforming brigade always "forget"
to mention.
Well if its junk science then most of the enviromental scientists must be imposters or have
a hidden agenda since 99% of them agree its happening. The only people who don't are a bunch
of whinging yank politicians who want to go on
using their 8mpg SUVs and sod the rest of the world. Are you one of them by any chance since
you're using the same no evidence slag-them-off
type argument.
YOu mean it'll remove cheap energy from yanks so
they won't be able to drive round in 5.0L SUVs
anymore and have aircon on 24x7. It'll make
bugger all difference to developing countries
since the kyoto protocol made exceptions for
them anyway. Nice try pal...
I'd be pretty impressed if you could fit the
entire contents of an olympic sized pool inside
the wings of a 767. Unless they've borrowed
technology from Dr Who's Tardis I think this is
pretty unlikely don't you?
YOu need to go redo your chemistry because you're talking out of your rear end. Hydrogen isn't even
close to being the most chemically active element in the world. Elements such as flourine and sodium
are FAR more reactive. Hydrogen gas is only
dangerous when mixed with oxygen and a source of
ignition is present. If your argument was correct
the outer gas planets would have exploded billions
of years ago given that they're about 90% hydrogen
each.
As CPU clock speed goes up so the competency of
OS programmers goes down. Give an MS programmer
a 25MHz machine and he'd be lucky to manage to
write an app that can add 1 + 1 in a reasonable
time.
Why is it that with almost all X extentions
no one EVER bothers to publish the Xlib APIs for
it. Do they assume that everyone uses some high
level toolkit when writing to X? I prefer using
Xlib as it gives me complete control over what
happens on screen, toolkits don't.
WHy the hell do we have to have VB installed to
use this? Can't these guys write some small little
add-on in C++ or are they not up to coding in
a proper programming language??
Excuse me for pointing out the obvious but if
ocean currents were just due to water running "downhill" they would eventually stop
when the place they were running to filled up.
Since this clearly doesn't occur (and water has
to flow out of these areas against gravity) then
I think its safe to say you're talking out of
your rear end.
Its just a friggin browser. Does anyone get this
excited when a new version of telnet is released??
Whatever you do you can virtually guarantee that
M$ will come out with blurb about "rich" programmer
experiences or "Meeting todays challenges" or some
other marketdroid BS and will promptly throw some
"features" into SOAP that no one really needs
that will be a virus writers dream. No I don't
know what these might be but I'm just going by
their previous track record on security.
Enlightenment? No thanks, I want a use a WM that allows me to get stuff done, not stare at a
2nd rate graphics demo. And FYI don't use KDE but I get sick of the hypocfracy of people who slag
off windows but like nothing better than to emulate it on their linux boxes via KDE.
HEy , why don't they just the whole way and bring out KVisualBasic too then we could turn Linux into
a huge muppetware fest just like Windows! I always thought programmers in Linux were real
programmers, not point and click IDE monkeys.
Sure , you can change the look and feel of KDE but then you can if you want use a different
shell in Windows. But the *default* install looks
pretty much like Windows presumably to appeal to
Windows users. Fine, but I don't want to use something that looks like Windows out of the box
and have to hack around for 30 mins trying to
make it look like afterstep when I can just use
afterstep itself! Why bother?
Slackware has a simple installer that does was it says - it installs. And anyone with an IQ greater
than their shoe size should be able to use it. As for package management , is typing "cd , tar -xvf "
really such an effort?
I hear windows has a nice friendly installer with lots of pretty graphics, perhaps you should think
about trying it.
Its ironic isn't it that people slag off Windows left right and center on here but bring out a
WM on Linux that looks exactly like it and they're climbing all over each other to heap praise
and adulation on it. Can any of you people spell
"hypocrite"??