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KDE Wins 3 awards
Linux Journal has just posted who won its awards this time - and KDE got 3 of them: Konqueror, KDE-2, and KDevelop. Congratulations to the KDE team and to all their supporters.
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Congrats. Just installed an old SuSE that already included KDE2 and it works like a breeze
congrats...
I rcently came back to using X from the command line(although its stil my favorite work place). The last time I had used kde was the kde 1.x days. Now I am using kde 2.2.1 and let me tell you, it is a thousand times better. Konqueror already beats the crap out of Netscape, I don't even see how people can call Netscape an alternative now. I also jsut bought a MAC to try out the "other" *BSD and to me, kde2 is still better than all the "eye candy" at OS X.
There are a few small bugs I do notice sometime.
Try to view a table with a left align in konqeuror and see the result. This 1 line of code will be messed up:
messed up column
If it had won an award from somewhere that wasn't solely linux-centric, THEN the award might be worth something.1
Maybe if we give them enough awards, they'll tell us what the "K" stands for!
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GNOME is so much better than KDE. I mean... it has those big fat diluted icons, for starters. And the window decors look like chizzled rocks (I like that) with plain graphics and usability that make it so much more easy to understand what it really takes to make an applet display on the screen before you apply any of the accessibilty features. GNOME lets the user learn such things like humbleness and appreciation. Thanks gnome *** two thumbs up and smile ***
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It is the letter that comes before L, which stands for Linux.
I have 3656.9 Bogomips. How many Bogomips do you have?
I still have yet to adopt either gnome or kde as my religion, I've been playing more sort of wait-and-see. At home I use gnome, at work I've been using kde. I'm not someone who likes to take a lot of time configuring desktops, I tend to just use the default. But I definitely like kde (this is under mandrake 8.0)--one thing I love is mouse-to-focus, click-to-top. It seems the most intuitive to me. In gnome I have mouse to focus, but I have to click on the title bar (often buried) to get top. I probably could configure it somewhere but I haven't taken the time to bother. The other thing I like is how kde reacts when I select a link--the little menu of choices is definitely what I was wanting without knowing I wanted it. I also like Konqueror a lot. Javascript doesn't always work quite right, but as with just about every browser to some degree. Nice work kde.
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KDE has come a long ways since its inception and I applaud the developers that have worked so hard to bring it up to this point. It offers a nice UI that's intuitive for users of either macOS or windows to get used to. And it's pretty.
Things that don't get much press, though, are the fast and efficient windowmanagers that, IMO, are able to accomplish a lot more. What about fvwm2, a completely customizable and scriptable windowmanager. Or ion, recently published on slashdot. The folks that worked on windowmaker also have done a great job.
All in all, I think that the developers working on KDE have done a stunning job, but it's equally amazing that new linux users aren't exposed as much to the "choice" that makes the linux operating system what it is. I switch windowmanagers every so often, and each of gets things done in its own unique way. I think the cake goes to fvwm for its efficiency, though. Too bad it doesn't get press because it's not as "pretty" as other wms out there.
Perhaps if a general software award coming from PC Magazine or something like that, without some kind of supplemental title, like Best Open-Source Program instead of Best Program, then perhaps it will get some notice outside of Slashdottish communities.
Still, it is cool that they have these awards. It gives respect to those within the community who make great software.
I have 3656.9 Bogomips. How many Bogomips do you have?
I can see why Konqueror won the award; I like it, too. It really makes for a nice alternative to Netscape. I eventually docked a friggin KillZilla icon on my WindowMaker desktop, for cripes sake!
Too bad the total multimedia support isn't there for it yet, or I'd like it even more.
Palaces, barricades, threats, meet promises
While Konqueror is ok, I had a bad experience with it my first time. .com around what I typed in the address section, etc) I would be all set.
Turns out I just didn't have my fonts setup in Mandrake or something silly like that.
Now, I personally like Internet Explorer, and if they could make a browser that more closely resembles the feel of it (pressing enter when filling a form, CTRL+Enter to put www. and
Can't wait to reinstall and try Mandrake and Konqueror again though.
I have 3656.9 Bogomips. How many Bogomips do you have?
Installed KDevelop yesterday and created a small application in a matter of 2 hours. Its very nice if you already know C++ and have some experience from win32 api for instance. What I like about KDE is that all the K* applications use a similar interface and communicates to the user in a similar way. Gnome is just total chaos sometimes.
I use KDevelop loads. It kicks arse.
Dave
I write a blog now, you should be afraid.
KDE 2.2 is slick as all hell. Still a few minor hiccups every now and then (many of which would probably be fixed if I upgraded to 2.2.1) but overall it's the most solid and robust *nix desktop environment I've ever used. (I've used OS X, but am not really impressed with it).
While everyone was busy harping about Mozilla, Konqueror grew up. It's now tantalizingly close to being an IE-killer. I shit you not. It's a very pleasant browsing experience, standards compliant, and to top it all off it's a great file manager as well.
KOffice is a great start at an integrated office suite. It's at the 'basic' stage right now. It reminds me of Clarisworks for the Mac, in that it's all integrated together and, while it doesn't support some of the fancier features, it can handle 90% of what most people want to do.
I'm really looking forward to KDE 3.0.
Go KDE.
Now if only they could convince them to remove some of the sluggishness from it.
Not that I'm criticising it, mind you, but some of those windowing apps are very processor intensive.
proof of Osama's guilt..
when i first installed kde2 it took me about five minutes to work out how to change the screen resolution and then i had to reset kde before it took effect. and don't get me started on the default setup's choice of font in konqueror.
the only thing that kde could win on is virtual desktops, but now that winxp can be patched to support these, it's getting left behind.
but like i said, it's getting better. at least linux developers are finally getting over those fucking 'where do you want to go tommorow?' cracks and are starting to create good looking AND useable windows managers.
still, well done to the kde team and best of luck for v3.
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KDE is the way to go. While it does have its share of problems (for instance, it could be a little bit easier on the amount of RAM needed for its use), it is really mature. I didn't dare to use KDE 1 because I thought that it were too much resource-hungry (especially regarding RAM) for the functionality it provided. But with KDE 2.2, with all the new integration between native applications and consistent looks, I'm not THAT worried about RAM anymore (although it would be so nice if it could use less RAM).
Well, that's it. Go, KDE.
Awards like this mean plenty to everyone within the industry...Developer, User, or somewhere inbetween: We all benefit by recognizing excellence. What we have here is not necessarily Yet Another Award, but a standard for others in the Linux Community to measure up to. Just because it doesn't come from a Ziff Davis publication does not lessen its value -- besides, it's not like this 'zine hasn't been around enough to have established credibility...
Linux Journal "Editor's choice." Gimme a break.
>> I really believed that is even yet possible with Linux until I configured my
girlfriends Box.
Wow - this guy's girlfriend has a configurable box? Today blonde and trim, tomorrow brunette and bushy! Is there anything these open source guys *can't do*???
I don't use Windows because I don't like it so why on earth would I install linux then use a
window manager that for all intents and purposes is just a windows explorer clone?? They've even
copied the drab grey look and the bloatware binary size!
I think I'll bet sticking to Afterstep for the time being thanks.
i just installed kdevelop for the first time yesterday and i was was pretty impressed. on the down side it only supported C/C++... even in the syntax highlighting part - when it shouldnt be too hard to have it for other languages as well... but ok it's 'an ide for c/c++ development' whatever... i'm so sure you're all thinking 'real coders use VI' ;-)
konqueror's just awesome. it does crash from time to time, but i'm happy with the features, especially with being able to just enable cookies for just a few sites in particular - like slashdot so i dont have to relogin everytime i come here, load my prefs just to filter out all my jon katz posts...
mozilla has that too, but it loads too slowly.. but konqueror's loading faster.. could this have anything to do with it being "integrated" with the kde desktop? man.. this thing is sounding like IE with windows... they're saying about implementing activeX in this thing in future releases... oh boy... next thing, "KDE updates" anyone?
Koffice is nice... one great thing they can have is to include a pdf writer into it... ps2pdf isnt good enough... fonts arent always supported properly..
i just switched from 2.1.1 to 2.2.1 or whatever it is (the one available in debian testing to one in debian stable) last night. very pleased. but so much slower. this thing does eat up a lot of RAM - eventhough i've got plenty of it.. but still...
kde-look.org's got some great themes for 2.2.1 (despite recent random postings of ugly themes and porn...)
check out the QNX theme. looks great.. but it's not just bells and whistles we're about right?
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It would be nice if the editor showed which products he compared, and why the others did not get the award. and as far as the "Office Application
" section goes, was he only comparing word processors? what about gnumeric? gnumeric 0.75 is at a point right now where its so sweet, it makes your teeth hurt. and did he even try galeon. as far as the browsing experience goes, its my opinion that galeon is much better designed to be a web browser.
Its spelt "L-I-N-U-X", but pronunced as "Free Beer"
i can only assume that you found that out by proxy, as your comment is hardly typical of the 'mature user'. have you ever heard the saying "bsd is for those who love unix, linux is for those who hate microsoft".
how configurable an os is is not necessarily a meaure of worth, in fact if something is 'highly configurable' then it usually means you have to fuck around with it for hours to get it how you like it.
but nobody in their right mind would install an os simple for the sake of using that os. the whole point is what applications will run, and i need to run windows apps. and don't fucking come back at me with staroffice. sure it can import msoffice documents. but not pixel perfect like i need them.
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... i didn't try it that long.
Sooo, you just decided to pop onto this thread and state a comment about a product you didn't like, but didn't take the time to look at even it's most basic features? Well by gosh, on behalf of everyone reading this thread I would like to say thank you for your insightful, and interesting bit of literary magic you have graced us all with.
Gosh, I can only hope we get to hear about more things you haven't used, and your opinions on them really soon.
The line must be drawn here. This far. No further.
This would be even more significant if the award had come from an indipendent party. That would have been a kick in Microsofts ass since KDE is everyting the Microsoft desktop should be but isn't because Microsoft is afraid the average user is too stupid to figure out how to use many Virtual Desktops on a single monitor.
Only to idiots, are orders laws.
-- Henning von Tresckow
KDE looks and feels ALOT like Windows, if you can't see it you're blind. The "Fade in menu" effect is a nice touch. I wonder where they got that idea?
Probably not ... but I bet some of them think of it this way ;^)
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Wait till KDE4 comes out its going to cain GNOME!
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Its ironic isn't it that people slag off Windows left right and center on here but bring out a
WM on Linux that looks exactly like it and they're climbing all over each other to heap praise
and adulation on it. Can any of you people spell
"hypocrite"??
To all of you that always say "they only care about bloat and not about speed" and "They should stop implementing features and focus on speed":
They ARE focusing on speed! 2.1 is MUCH faster than 2.0. 2.2 is MUCH faster than 2.1 and 2.2.1 is quite a bit faster than 2.2!
There are lot of speed-enhancing features in KDE3, for example an iconserver that serves icons to the apps. Right now all apps have to scan a lot of very big directories every time they start and load all the icons from the filesystem. With the iconserver that only has to be done once, when starting up the desktop.
More features doesn't necessarily mean less speed!
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Just because Slackware has an ugly installer and an almost complete lack of package management doesn't mean it's powdered leetnees. Remember that Linux is merely the kernel.
For all KDE's improvements on functionality and eye candy, I could use 1.x quite easily on a 166 mhz machine, but 2.2.x is unusably slow. Runs a treat on my 350 though :)
More features can mean less speed if poorly implemented - Mozilla's going bloat. I really hope KDE stays reasonably lean.
-- My hovercraft is full of eels.
> Koffice is nice... one great thing they can have is to include a pdf writer into it...
> ps2pdf isnt good enough... fonts arent always supported properly..
Well, try to print a file, every KDE-2.2.1 application has the option to print to PDF (and Postscript) by default. This is caused by the great kdeprinting system, which RULES in combination with cups.
If the quality of ps2pdf bothers you, thius is part of ghostscript. If you still use a 5.x version, I urge you to upgradde to GPL ghostscript 6.5.2 or AFPL ghostscript 7.03. PDF support has been greatly improved.
Moritz
I usually use KDE (in case I dont use the prompt), but everytime I start it, I think of switching to GNOME because it takes that long for KDE to start. :-(
Slackware has a simple installer that does was it says - it installs. And anyone with an IQ greater
than their shoe size should be able to use it. As for package management , is typing "cd , tar -xvf "
really such an effort?
I hear windows has a nice friendly installer with lots of pretty graphics, perhaps you should think
about trying it.
I truely believe that KDE has legitimate performance issues. I use it myself, but I've found that on the same hardware, a window manager like fvwm performs considerably better than the window manager from KDE does. And as far as web browsers go, Galeon is far, far less sluggish than Konqueror is.
I really hope that in future versions of KDE that they start tackling the performance issue in preference to creeping featurism.Konqueror is great, but until it doesn't make my 128Mb PIII-750 machine thrash when de-iconifying a window, I'm going to be using Galeon.
proof of Osama's guilt..
Windows98 has a better interface than XP as does Windows2000. Turn all the new features off and what you have IS windows2000.
I prefer the interface of KDE by far, I mean WinXP copied KDEs ideas, the taskbar grouping, they stole that, As far as the Icon goes, thats KDEs main weakness.
Gnomes Icons totally destroy KDEs, as does MacOSX and WindowsXP.
KDE needs to copy gnome and go for SVG based Icons.
Good icons is very important when it comes to having a nice looking desktop, good fonts is also important, XP has better fonts. KDE already has the best functionality of any interface i know of besides perhaps OSX. What KDE needs right now, is to improve certain things, the icons in KDE are crap and i hear they are planning to copy Xps icon style, thats fine for windows users who go to linux, but XPs icons are horrible compared to Gnome, Nautilus, MacOSX etc, SVG is definately the way to go for Icons.
Fonts will take time to improve but they are getting to be at XP quality, I think we will see high quality fonts before the end of the year, The Icons in KDE hopefully will be fixed sometime in 2002 if they switch to SVG but if not, then their icons will be as crappy as Windows icons, which is fine for Windows users who havent seen anything better but not for me.
KDR looks very nice however it still looks very plain, it needs a theme, KDE has Luna, Mac has Aqua, even Nautilus has its look, KDE however looks too plain, as if it was just thrown together, i mean theres no theme, its bland, like windows2000, while this is fine for most users, its not going to give KDE the impression that its on the level of XP because XP will have a taskbar which is beveled, has a nice color and shadows, while KDE just has plain style.
Nautilus and Gnome have figured this out and currently looks way better than XP, but KDE and this isnt in terms of functionality, but in terms of how pretty it looks, it doesnt look as fancy as it could look.
I also dont like the fact they took out the little icon effect where you click on it and it swirled,why? these little unique effects were what made kde KDE!
Put it back, the highlighting is nice, windows doesnt do it but still this isnt unique to kde.
If you get what I'm saying, KDE needs more unique features and looks to seperate itself from being too generic.
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When I first saw this, I thought it read "KDE 3 wins awards." And I'm like "KDE 3? kick ass..." Then I read it again and was a little dissapointed.
Damn you slashdot *shakes fist*!
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
KDE created the grouped tasks feature that Microsoft stole in XP. I remember using this in KDE before XP even exsisted.
And KDE did use features from OSX, then again Microsoft copied OSX too, Face it everyone copies everyone, Microsoft stole from Apple who stole from Xerox. Fact is, Good features get copied.
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The Start speed usually depends on the speed of your harddrive mostly, Get a faster one, KDE starts up a hell of a lot faster than WindowsXP, Sure KDE is slower than blackbox and Gnome at starting up, but as long as its faster than XP (its competition) then why are we worrying about this?
Powerful programs take longer to start up, the more powerful KDE becomes the longer it will take to start up, Upgrade your harddrive.
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>And anyone with an IQ greater than their shoe size should be able to use it.
Theres the problem. Most windows lusers don't even wear shoes, as they've spent all their money on quad AMD willium boards to install Windows Xtreme Pants on.
Linux users on the other hand happily install RedSuseDrake on an abacus with 1024 beads.
IF you dont want to use KDE, then use Enlightenment
no one forces you to use it
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I think that KDE definitely deserves the awards, but OTOH I hope that this doesn't lead to a "we'll add even more cool features" mindset among the developers.
KDE is nowhere near Mozilla's release problems, but I fear that they could fall in the feature-pit, just as Mozilla.
Guys, add features thar are USEFUL TO MOST USERS, anything beyond that should be packaged as an add-on.
Resist the featuritis temptation, use the force!
I followed the link to MonarchComputer.com site they used to build their "Ultimate Linux Box", and what did I see?
This site is best viewed in Internet Explorer 5.0 and above.
Yuck.
Konqueror is very nice, I love it!!!
The only problem is flash broke when I fix OpenGL. The docs say don't use QT with OpenGL compiled, but the version I'm using isn't! Ugh!!
Other then that, I love it.
The journey is better then the end.
I haven't used Windows for a long time, and I'm liking it a lot!
Stay tuned. KDE 2.2.2 will be released on November 12th. It is a bugfix release for 2.2. KDE 3.0 Beta 1 should be out on December 3rd.
Thank glub, I thought it was just me. I had to rebuild my laptop the other day and thought I'd upgrade to 'drake 8.1 while I was at it and spent a fruitless evening trying to install it from the CDs. Went back to 8.0 and everything is fine. Can't get KDE 2.2.1 to install from the 'net though (see, was a link to the subject).
With KDE winning awards, and RMS going for the Gnome board of directors, what hope is there?
I fell in love with SuSE 6.0 but haven't been very happy with it since. If I could only learn to get along with YAST! :) Maybe its time to try 7.3 for PPC! :)
Why is this KDE centric?
A lot of things won awards. Yes KDE won 3, and good for them. But why does the story only include the KDE part. All the other awardees were surely deserving too.
So, I'm saying it. Caongratulations to ALL the entities who won awards from Linux Journal. You ALL deserve it. Keep up the good work!
-jay
IDE's can help find and resolve some problems a hell of a lot quicker than CLI tools. It can also generate quality code or program templates.
Before trolling again in such a cute manner, why don't you check out this and this.
Quick summary of the 2nd link:
rgds,
Al.
I think I'll still with KDE....
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
Repeating these lies that KWM (not KDE, which, AGAIN, is not a Window Manager) "looks like Windows" won't make them come true.
But it *does* look like Windows! Just looks at the screenshots of KDE 2.x at kde.org!
Lame? yes. Offtopic: no. Why do I get the impresstion that a certain moderator doesn't have a clue?
When I need to do something in a GUI, I make do with whatever I have to work with (notably Windows). But there is almost always under undercurrent of distraction. Even as dealing with the problems of a particular GUI become more reflex, often the GUI still gets in the way in thousands of tiny ways, drawing vital attention away from what you are doing. It saps small, but valuable quantities of productivity like unwanted friction in a machine.
This is why "eye-candy" is so contemptible. The last thing I need is already distracting software copping a "hey-look-at-me" attitude.
Recently, I installed Yellow Dog on a G4 tower we have at work, and installed KDE2 which came with it. I'd tried KDE1 and found it respectable, but after taking KDE2 for a spin I found something was missing in the eperience: the constant stream of petty irritations.
KDE2, amazingly, doesn't suck.
It looks good, but more importantly to me it is soothing to use. To be sure, there are still a few weak links in KDE2, particularly some of the bundled applications like KMail. But after so much continual improvement, it is as if KDE has reached a kind of usability boiling point. Below that point the improvements are marginal; at the boiling boint you have a kind of phase change in the user experience.
The Gnome people are improving their stuff rapidly too, so perhaps they'll reach that usability boiling point soon too. I hope so. I think in the end the competition between these groups (friendly or not) has really spurred improvements.
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On my video card and monitor, sometimes when I switch virtural consoles, X crashes; and X also sometimes crashes as it comes back up... I'd give details, but I can't remember them...
It's configurable. That means it can be made to look like windows. That's very different from saying it "does look like windows".
Whatever choice you have made for a browser, I think it is obvious that Netscape 4.x can be safely removed from your system without loss of productivity or enjoyment. I presonally will be happy to see it go - it has been showing its age for at least a year now.
well, mr. dickhead, one of the reasons i stuck with enlightenment is that it caught my attention right away! this speaks for the quality of enlightenment and kde's lack of immediate appeal. how this is a troll is beyond me. sorry for being able to think for myself!
Thanks very much guys...those who made KDE great. I'm a keyboard user and the "Windows Behavior" mode allows me to use the system without the distraction of the mouse 99.99% of the time. This is awesome. But there's a lot of work to be done; like when I open up Konsole and tried to get to its menus by holding out the ALT button, I couldn't get to them. :( I'm sure I can configure this but I'm afraid I have to do this for all apps because the behavior is not consistent for all apps.
Keyboard actions are "snap-on" actions and they surely, and quickly express the user intent. The mouse is fine but it's a sort of analog device and I mostly avoid it because it makes me take my fingers off the keyboard.
Does anyone UNDERSTAND the above paragraph at all? I guess most don't...GNOME people don't, I don't think.
I simply refuse to run poorly designed software! Why should I, because it's trendy?
Do it right--from the start--PLEASE.
Unix was supposed to have saved us from these sorts of Microsoftisms.
KDE 1.X was plenty fast, but butt-ugly.
KDE 2.0 was extremly slow, and much less stable than 1.X
KDE 2.1 was stable and not as slow as 2.0, but still way too slow.
KDE 2.2 looks the best of whole lot, but it's just as slow as 2.1.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
It's configurable. That means it can be made to look like windows. That's very different from saying it "does look like windows".
I don't mean the "skin" so much as I mean the choice of UI gadgets and the way they are arranged. Although some graphics are obviously Microsoft-influenced, like a picture of a wizard in a dialog that is certainly something attempting to be like Microsoft's "Wizards" feature (something I thought that was generally ill-thought of by usability experts, so I'm surprised to see it reproduced).
The rule of slashdot is that if you don't have anything to say, make sure that it is agreeable.
I'm not CERTAIN, but I think this may be due to the one place where Konqueror occasionally lets me down, and that's Javascript/ECMAscript support. I think that the sites that complain that you don't have Flash are using a javascript call to check which plugins you've got, and either that bit of javascript is bombing out or giving the "wrong" answers.
I haven't actually confirmed this, but it's the only reason I can think of. Javascript support IS improving, and I hear the KDE3 will have a new, rewritten javascript engine, but at the moment it's still the one place where I occasionally run into limitations.
(e.g. I can't play videos off of atomfilms.com any more, because the "play" button is linked to a javascript function to start up the play window, and it doesn't run...)
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...and it works great.
Congrats to the KDE team for putting together such a wonderful package of applications!
I've got it running on a Slackware 8 box with QT 2.3.2. Great stuff, no problems at all with the install.
Hmm... a GUI desktop with an integrated browser that also acts as a file manager... where have I seen that before...
...but it's high time someone started a GNOME vs KDE flame war. ;)
.NET compatibility intrigues me (sorry anti-MS folks, but it does), but it's been REALLY quiet on the Ximian front.
Seriously, where's the beef, Miguel? What've your boys been up to?
1- Office Suite? Still waiting.
2- Flagship Browser? Still waiting.
3- Dedicated components architecture fully integrated with the environment and gone through several debugging stages? Still waiting.
4- Some sort of IDE tool above and beyond Glade? Still waiting.
5- Database application? Still waiting.
Meanwhile, KDE's been addressing all of these, three of them to the extent of winning awards.
Granted, KDE's not my tool of choice for a couple of the above (currently prefer Mozilla & wouldn't use Rekall over PostgreSQL anyway), and the promise of
Anything we should know about?
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Perhaps you should put the emphasis on "you" rather than "can" in your sig. It looks retarded the way it is now.
He unique. He dumb, but he unique.
I'm personaly glad, I have been impressed with KDE... I like the clean interface... heck it looks almost as good as XP...
I haven't seen anyone succesfully demonstrate that kwin is any more like Windows than it is like (for example) CDE. Desktop icons and bars are not unique to Windows, and weren't invented by Microsoft.
actually, it's more of a combination of windows, beos, macos, and even nextstep.
if you actually USED it, you'd realize this.
taskbar grouping (of a kind) was also sort of implemented in that you usually had just the one icon on the taskbar for each application, irrespective of how many documents/windows it had open
it also had some lovely features, such as the ability to give a window the input focus or move it around whilst keeping it's z position in the window 'stack'; something i really miss in windows even now.
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A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Nobody cares, but here goes. :)
KDE, in its current state, is really a remarkable piece of software. The fact that all this was built by our community in such a relatively short span of time is nothing short of incredible. It took Microsoft much longer to stea-- I mean, innovate, Windows. And here we have KDE, which can meet and exceeds many aspects of Microsoft's cash cow.
That said, KDE does have some flaws, obviously. There are lots of little areas that need work, but they are getting improved at a very pleasing rate. Inconsistences in the interface are disappearing, the overall look and feel of KDE is very solid, and some really awesome features have been added. Not to mention Konqueror, which deserves special mention on its own - a speedy, standards-compliant browser developed in such short time, and comparable to anything Opera/Mozilla/whoever can dish out.
KDE isn't perfect, but it's a true testament to what the OSS community can achieve. *raises his RC Cola can* Here's to the continued success and innovation of KDE, GNOME, and all the other projects that have given us so much in such a small amount of time.
Mozilla's a nice operating system, but it needs a better browser.