Well, as the meta-gnome2 maintainer, I would have appreciated some bug reports about this. I had no idea, as I still haven't tried to do an install of Sarge. Furthermore, the GNOME metapackages have been on Sarge for less than a week, so it was a bit difficult to know.
So, other than gnome-office, what tries to install abiword? Can anyone just file a bug on the BTS?
I'm sorry, but you still don't know what you're talking about. Catalan is only the official language for a whole language in Andorra, because it's the only country where it's spoken in the whole territory. Imagine there's some town in Russia very near to the Chinese border where people majorly speak Chinese. Isn't it a great idea to make Chinese an official language in Russia just for that? Same thing in Spain: Catalan is only spoken in a region of Spain, so it's just official in the affected regions: Pais Valencià, Catalunya and Balears (it's also spoken in the eastern areas of Aragón, but it's minor). I guess you haven't been in Andorra, or even in Catalonia... you'd know that most of the Catalan speakers know Spanish too. You didn't like that "biased" webpage (first link I found in Google). Here's another one. So, are there 6M people living in Queens?
Debian is not best served by taking up space on its web page to promote Catalan. People who do that may well be "volunteers" in some organisation which promotes Catalan language and culture, but I would not describe them as Debian volunteers.
Yeah, right. So let's ditch the Esperanto, Danish, Swedish, Indonesian, Estonian, Croatian, Greek, Turkish, Hungarian and Catalan translations, they are minor languages and they are not worth the hard disk or time to maintain. Let's force the people that work on those translations to work on English, French or Spanish translations instead, which are much more useful... The Catalan translations of Debian in Woody will make it available to many Mandrake users in Catalunya, because till now, Mandrake was the only distribution with an extended Catalan support. Does that serve Debian, or not? We are not trying to promote Catalan, we're just giving Catalan users more freedom to choose between Spanish, French or the new Catalan translations.
As many have said already, you don't understand what volunteer work means. Debian's installer doens't have Grub support because no one volunteered to hack it while the installer wasn't frozen, for example. There's no German release-notes because nobody in the Debian German l10n team wrote them, or they didn't do it on time. There's a Catalan translation because a group of people decided they wanted to do it... that's how it works...
And, by the way, you need to check some numbers before saying there's less Catalan speakers worldwide than German speakers in Paraguay. That's plain stupid... Catalan is spoken in 4 European countries: East/North-East of Spain, South East France, Andorra (official language) and a town in Italy.
Jordi Mallach, coordinator of the Debian Catalan effort
Pico is under one of those UW restrictive licenses which doesn't allow distribution of modified binaries.
It is also slow, old, and a memory hog.
Nano is a GPL replacement, that retains compatability while adding new features like search&replace, regexp search, internationalization, mouse support...
Stop using that non-free crap now! And while you are at it, switch to Mutt at the same time:>
As I don't see any mention in that post about a change in the license for the final release, I suspect it's still GPL incompatible.
I wonder what Debian will do about this...:\
Either stick to 1.5 or remove all GPL apps that don't update their license in order to use 2.0.
KDE2 won't be in the official Debian archive for Potato. Potato is closed now, updates are normally due to security fixes and some others to fix some outstanding bugs that really shouldn't be in later point releases. Debian KDE maintainer, Ivan E. Moore II, will probably continue to maintain his unofficial Debian packages for Potato.
More info in:
<a href="http://kde.tdyc.com/Debian/">RevKrusty's Site</a>.
What about the big antena near my house? I don't want to be a paranoid, if I was I would go to live inside a cave, but those buzzs coming from that antena aren't cool:)
Besides the real reasons for me not wanting a mobile phone -I don't need it and I don't want people to be able to contact me whenever they want- I have been concerned about this problem since it started to be known. It's like smoking, anyway. I don't smoke, but I'm forced to smoke by people surrounding me. I don't use mobile phones, but people around me do all the time. So, you want it or not, we're all getting the crappy radiations in our brains and the stupid smoke in my (ill) lungs.
Oskuro wrote in to say "Hey, I've read that Hemos got married today. Hey, Jeff, I wish you a lot of luck and happyness in this new stage of your lives. Congratulations to both of you!"
If the people in the US think their situation is bad, they should see what law is going to pass thanks to English Government. RIP (Regulation of Investigatory Powers, making an appropiate acronym) is a law on the final step to be approved, and it may a reality the 5th of October. With this law, the Government will have access to every email and other crypted communications to be able to control "delictive activities". ISPs will have to control all their traffic and grant access to that data to the GTAC, the new center of the secret service. This is scary because things like this tend to be copied from one country to another in Europe.
We went out last night to the party Linux Format threw, and we got chatting to Phil Hands from Debian. He was saying that KDE doesn't have a licence. what are your thoughts on this?
That's odd because KDE definitely has a licence; LGPL for most of libraries and GPL for most of the applications, and Qt indeed has a different licence; it is QPL. It isn't much different for home users or for even users in a business environment. Troll Tech have put a lot of time and effort into producing a high quality toolkit and in all fairness they should get paid if you sell an application that uses Qt.
The only thing I see here is two things: I'm pretty sure P. Hands didn't say that, but as I can't prove this, I'll just shut up on this. I think the question is as bad as the answer. KDE does have a license, of course (we know things are useless without a license, ie, they are the most non-free pieces of software). Saying it doesn't have one is not very accurate. This question tried to get an opinion about the KDE licensing wrt the recent $3K someone offered. It's a pitty the question is dismissed with "yes, we have LGPL, GPL and tk under QPL". We know that, I really want to know what the KDE people have to say about the accusations of GPL violation in KDE&family. Sigh.
And, should I comment about his lattest statement? It would be really funny to see the QPL changed so people had to pay Troll Tech for selling Qt apps. I guess that would benefit Gtk so much...
Linux natura 2.2.15 #2 Tue May 9 03:09:22 CEST 2000 i586 unknown
Most of the programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are freely redistributable; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in/usr/doc/*/copyright
Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law.
Have a look at the bold part, and tell me if you find something like that in Windoze or any other propietary piece of software.
I still can't understand why companies don't have to pay for their part of responsability. We have Melissa and all this crap, which would not be possible without a fantastic email reader that enhances some brilliant features of a certain OS. Ok, the person who wrote NewLove did it knowing that it would wipe out many harddrives out there, but the hole in Windows/Outlook has been there for ages, and IIRC, Microsoft is offering a patch that disables Windows Scripting Host, but they are still saying that the people to blame are, apart from the virus author, antivirus companies for not dealing well with these kind of problems. I find this very amusing, but I don't know how Windows users feel about Microsoft's interpretation. In short, use Mutt and care less.
It's incredible to see the 8th reason is: 8. User IDs, especially root/administrator with no passwords or weak passwords.
The worst of this is, if an admin uses a blank or weak password for the admin user or install services with pre-installed passwords, it's very possible that this admin will never take care about patching or fixing the other affected services in the list, so their hosts can be a real mess.
Another thing to note is the more or less common proposed fixes in propietary systems (disable the service, like in IIS) and the solutions offered for free systems (upgrade to bar version or use foo patch).
There has been a small talk about this story in the debian-devel channel on IRC just some minutes ago, and of course the great question was: Why isn't the SQL server Debian as well? If there's any problem with Potato's MySQL, I think Debian would be pleased to hear, whether it's a bug report in the BTS or whatever.
I didn't have a look at SF.net yet to read about this, but I'm already wondering if it will be a i386-only farm or Sparc, Alpha, PPC, etc. will be available. Many bugs in the Debian Bugtracking system are "fail to compile under foo arch" bugs, so it would be very cool to be able to test the code under various archs to avoid this. That would make SourceForge a unique environment to squash these types of problems, as many programmers can be aware their code does not compile on Sparc but they can't do anything about it as they don't have access to a Sparc machine.
About being able to execute binaries, and X and all... that sounds a bit more difficult here, imagine what hardware you need to allow that number of X sessions?
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I wonder if there was a "Skype" item on sale in eBay...
Google must have hit a "speed bump". :)
Still, I don't have any use for tasksel in my system, so I didn't know about this.
I believe I fixed tasksel this morning, so it should not be an issue anymore (when tasksel is updated, at least).
Well, as the meta-gnome2 maintainer, I would have appreciated some bug reports about this. I had no idea, as I still haven't tried to do an install of Sarge. Furthermore, the GNOME metapackages have been on Sarge for less than a week, so it was a bit difficult to know.
So, other than gnome-office, what tries to install abiword? Can anyone just file a bug on the BTS?
For those of you who care, the bugs in the connection wizard in the 0.10.x have been solved in CVS, and 0.10.3 should be released sometime soon.
I'm sorry, but you still don't know what you're talking about. Catalan is only the official language for a whole language in Andorra, because it's the only country where it's spoken in the whole territory. Imagine there's some town in Russia very near to the Chinese border where people majorly speak Chinese. Isn't it a great idea to make Chinese an official language in Russia just for that? Same thing in Spain: Catalan is only spoken in a region of Spain, so it's just official in the affected regions: Pais Valencià, Catalunya and Balears (it's also spoken in the eastern areas of Aragón, but it's minor).
I guess you haven't been in Andorra, or even in Catalonia... you'd know that most of the Catalan speakers know Spanish too. You didn't like that "biased" webpage (first link I found in Google). Here's another one. So, are there 6M people living in Queens?
Debian is not best served by taking up space on its web page to promote Catalan. People who do that may well be "volunteers" in some organisation which promotes Catalan language and culture, but I would not describe them as Debian volunteers.
Yeah, right. So let's ditch the Esperanto, Danish, Swedish, Indonesian, Estonian, Croatian, Greek, Turkish, Hungarian and Catalan translations, they are minor languages and they are not worth the hard disk or time to maintain. Let's force the people that work on those translations to work on English, French or Spanish translations instead, which are much more useful... The Catalan translations of Debian in Woody will make it available to many Mandrake users in Catalunya, because till now, Mandrake was the only distribution with an extended Catalan support. Does that serve Debian, or not? We are not trying to promote Catalan, we're just giving Catalan users more freedom to choose between Spanish, French or the new Catalan translations.
As many have said already, you don't understand what volunteer work means.
Debian's installer doens't have Grub support because no one volunteered to hack it while the installer wasn't frozen, for example.
There's no German release-notes because nobody in the Debian German l10n team wrote them, or they didn't do it on time. There's a Catalan translation because a group of people decided they wanted to do it... that's how it works...
And, by the way, you need to check some numbers before saying there's less Catalan speakers worldwide than German speakers in Paraguay. That's plain stupid... Catalan is spoken in 4 European countries: East/North-East of Spain, South East France, Andorra (official language) and a town in Italy.
Jordi Mallach,
coordinator of the Debian Catalan effort
Then use Qstat or XQF, a Gtk+ frontend :)
Pico is under one of those UW restrictive licenses which doesn't allow distribution of modified binaries. :>
It is also slow, old, and a memory hog.
Nano is a GPL replacement, that retains compatability while adding new features like search&replace, regexp search, internationalization, mouse support...
Stop using that non-free crap now! And while you are at it, switch to Mutt at the same time
As I don't see any mention in that post about a change in the license for the final release, I suspect it's still GPL incompatible. :\
I wonder what Debian will do about this...
Either stick to 1.5 or remove all GPL apps that don't update their license in order to use 2.0.
In the unstable distribution, of course.
If you want to apt-get the official packages, you need to point apt to the Woody archive.
Bah, this always happens to me.
KDE2 won't be in the official Debian archive for Potato. Potato is closed now, updates are normally due to security fixes and some others to fix some outstanding bugs that really shouldn't be in later point releases. Debian KDE maintainer, Ivan E. Moore II, will probably continue to maintain his unofficial Debian packages for Potato.
More info in:
<a href="http://kde.tdyc.com/Debian/">RevKrusty's Site</a>.
What about the big antena near my house? :)
I don't want to be a paranoid, if I was I would go to live inside a cave, but those buzzs coming from that antena aren't cool
Besides the real reasons for me not wanting a mobile phone -I don't need it and I don't want people to be able to contact me whenever they want- I have been concerned about this problem since it started to be known.
It's like smoking, anyway. I don't smoke, but I'm forced to smoke by people surrounding me. I don't use mobile phones, but people around me do all the time. So, you want it or not, we're all getting the crappy radiations in our brains and the stupid smoke in my (ill) lungs.
Oskuro wrote in to say "Hey, I've read that Hemos got married today. Hey, Jeff, I wish you a lot of luck and happyness in this new stage of your lives. Congratulations to both of you!"
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If the people in the US think their situation is bad, they should see what law is going to pass thanks to English Government. RIP (Regulation of Investigatory Powers, making an appropiate acronym) is a law on the final step to be approved, and it may a reality the 5th of October.
With this law, the Government will have access to every email and other crypted communications to be able to control "delictive activities". ISPs will have to control all their traffic and grant access to that data to the GTAC, the new center of the secret service.
This is scary because things like this tend to be copied from one country to another in Europe.
It's amazing nobody posted about this :) :)
In GNOME 1.2, click on the menu button and select the "About GNOME" item. Inside the About window, lock caps and write "GNOME", and an ugly GNOME will appear. If you click on it, you will hear a cute sound.
Furthermore, if you look at gnome-about.c, you will see a header that warns about the absence of easter eggs in the code
We went out last night to the party Linux Format threw, and we got chatting to Phil Hands from Debian. He was saying that KDE doesn't have a licence. what are your thoughts on this?
That's odd because KDE definitely has a licence; LGPL for most of libraries and GPL for most of the applications, and Qt indeed has a different licence; it is QPL. It isn't much different for home users or for even users in a business environment. Troll Tech have put a lot of time and effort into producing a high quality toolkit and in all fairness they should get paid if you sell an application that uses Qt.
The only thing I see here is two things:
I'm pretty sure P. Hands didn't say that, but as I can't prove this, I'll just shut up on this.
I think the question is as bad as the answer. KDE does have a license, of course (we know things are useless without a license, ie, they are the most non-free pieces of software). Saying it doesn't have one is not very accurate.
This question tried to get an opinion about the KDE licensing wrt the recent $3K someone offered. It's a pitty the question is dismissed with "yes, we have LGPL, GPL and tk under QPL". We know that, I really want to know what the KDE people have to say about the accusations of GPL violation in KDE&family. Sigh.
And, should I comment about his lattest statement? It would be really funny to see the QPL changed so people had to pay Troll Tech for selling Qt apps. I guess that would benefit Gtk so much...
login: jordi
/usr/doc/*/copyright
passwd: xxxx
Linux natura 2.2.15 #2 Tue May 9 03:09:22 CEST 2000 i586 unknown
Most of the programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are freely redistributable; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in
Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law.
Have a look at the bold part, and tell me if you find something like that in Windoze or any other propietary piece of software.
I still can't understand why companies don't have to pay for their part of responsability.
We have Melissa and all this crap, which would not be possible without a fantastic email reader that enhances some brilliant features of a certain OS.
Ok, the person who wrote NewLove did it knowing that it would wipe out many harddrives out there, but the hole in Windows/Outlook has been there for ages, and IIRC, Microsoft is offering a patch that disables Windows Scripting Host, but they are still saying that the people to blame are, apart from the virus author, antivirus companies for not dealing well with these kind of problems.
I find this very amusing, but I don't know how Windows users feel about Microsoft's interpretation.
In short, use Mutt and care less.
It's incredible to see the 8th reason is:
8. User IDs, especially root/administrator with no passwords or weak passwords.
The worst of this is, if an admin uses a blank or weak password for the admin user or install services with pre-installed passwords, it's very possible that this admin will never take care about patching or fixing the other affected services in the list, so their hosts can be a real mess.
Another thing to note is the more or less common proposed fixes in propietary systems (disable the service, like in IIS) and the solutions offered for free systems (upgrade to bar version or use foo patch).
There has been a small talk about this story in the debian-devel channel on IRC just some minutes ago, and of course the great question was:
Why isn't the SQL server Debian as well?
If there's any problem with Potato's MySQL, I think Debian would be pleased to hear, whether it's a bug report in the BTS or whatever.
Thanks
I didn't have a look at SF.net yet to read about this, but I'm already wondering if it will be a i386-only farm or Sparc, Alpha, PPC, etc. will be available.
Many bugs in the Debian Bugtracking system are "fail to compile under foo arch" bugs, so it would be very cool to be able to test the code under various archs to avoid this. That would make SourceForge a unique environment to squash these types of problems, as many programmers can be aware their code does not compile on Sparc but they can't do anything about it as they don't have access to a Sparc machine.
About being able to execute binaries, and X and all... that sounds a bit more difficult here, imagine what hardware you need to allow that number of X sessions?