Simple. Those are all done by for-profit companies and I have a problem with donating anything to for profit companies. They're supposed to make money by selling stuff, not by donations. If they want to find a drug to cure breast cancer, they should build their OWN supercomputer to search for it. Unless they're going to give ME a cut of their profits when they find a cure??
I couldnt agree with you more. Seti has so many users that they don't have enough data to analyze and are having to write slower clients & have data analyzed many times over. Sure, it'd be cool if they discovered alien signals, but adding my CPU power to the procject won't make it happen any faster, because I'll probably just be re-cheching data that someone or several someones have already checked. (and there's the question of wether aliens would actually send radio signals,or send pulsed laser signals instead which would travel further with less degredation of data (think fiber optic vs cellular data))
RC5-64 is fun, and searching for Optimal Golomb Rulers even has real scientific applications.
Don't forget, that's canadian money theyre talking about. It works out to about $100 American/mo. Pretty darn good if it's high speed, or barely 28.8 if your lucky. In canada there are much fewer urban centres where cable or Dsl is available than the states.
Did you even bother to read what he wrote??? He can't get the site hosted for $30/mo, they threatened legal action, because they say they own his intellectual property.
And who are you to say his speech isn't worth protecting? Just because it may not be important to you doesnt mean it's not important to someone.
If the site was on university computers, it's theirs
How can you say that?? Unless it's explicitly stated in the TOS, that's just plain not true. Most hosting companies do not take possesion of the IP rights of people who are posting web sites, why should a university be any different?
I suppose the question is did he sign an agreement that gave IP rights to the university? If not, then the IP rights are his, because he created it. Unless he was explicitly doing this for the U of U (ie: there was a contract for it), then he was doing it on his own, hosted on their servers. Just because i host your data on my servers, doesnt mean that I own your data, unless you agree to something that says i do.
I think that the real problem here is that the university declared his intellectual property his own, wiped all of his backups (lucky he had offsite ones) and won't even let him bring the site back up even if it's offsite on his own hardware.
And arent universities supposed to support free speech?
He probably is on crack. If you don't agree with me, check out some of his previous articles. This article is typical of his writing style. Talk about someone who fears change, who'se whole perception of the world is messed up, and doesn't even bother to research simple facts. Whenever i'm looking for a good laugh, i look up one of his articles.
The thing that you have to remember is that at some level, all internet access is shared. Sure, I have to share bandwidth with my neighbors, but you think your ADSL connection doesnt plug into a hub/switch along with your neighbors, in the Telco office? They would have the same bandwidth problems if DSL took off like crazy.
Why the hell would I buy stock in a company that's so broke they have to ask for donations?? Ok, i know they didn't ask, but clearly they're in financial trouble, would a company like that really make an intelligent investment?
True. It would be nice if he could reply and clarify what he meant.
I still think that since they are a for-profit company, they should do what other for-profit companies do when they are losing money: cut jobs, wages, or go bankrupt. If Mandrake makes $10 Million next quarter, are they going to give their profits back to the people who donated? Say they get 1M worth of donations and that makes the difference between 10M and 11M (I know these numbers are wrong) in profits, what was the point of donating and who benifits from this other than the stockholders?
If they go bankrupt, so be it, clearly they shouldnt be propped up on donations. The Linux movment isnt going to go under if 1 Linux company goes under (or all of them, for that matter, it was doing just fine before there were ANY commercial companies involved)
He did imply that you "owe" them something.
His exact comments: "If you use Mandrake and bought it from them or retail, then you owe them nothing. However if you use it and downloaded it or bought if from cheapbytes then Mandrake got nothing from you, and you might consider making a donation."
He did SAY "you might consider" but the implication is that it is no different than buying it, you still OWE them something.
You don't have to say something to imply it. People call that reading between the lines.
You imply that if you download it, you owe them something. This simply isnt true. It's their choice to provide it for free. If it costs too much to do that, then they should stop. Why the hell should I pay money to a company that cant manage it's own finances???? Fire some people, cut wages, cut back projects. That's what other companies in the real world do!
I'm sorry, but I too have major problems donating to a for-profit company, regardless of what they do. That even goes as far as not participating in the distributed computing aids & cancer projects, because they are being run by a company that is making a profit off of it.
The proper way to "donate" to a company is to a for-profit company is to BUY something from it. Think Mandrake is doing something worthwile? then go to their web site and order a distro from them.
The analogy to toll roads & museums is just plain bad. Museums ARE not-for-profit, so donating is a good thing. Toll roads are for-profit, and you're paying to use their product(the road) & paying isnt optional.
"He says the technology can even determine whether a man is watching alone or is watching with his wife and has control of the clicker. When he's with his wife, a man will typically only switch channels during commercial breaks, but then he may hit several different channels searching for sports scores. If the wife has control, she will go to a single channel -- often one with music videos -- and stay there throughout the commercial break"
Does this mean I'm going to have to watch tampon commercials if I dont channel surf during commercials?
>>currently nowhere near fuel costs dominating
What the hell are you talking about??? A space shuttle launch costs over a billion dollars, and by far the highest expense is fuel
So, they're saying the placebo effect is actually a placebo effect? That people didnt think they were getting better, they only thought that they thought they were getting better?
That's right, most DVD players can read VCD disks, and that is what you are creating with this software. Notice it says you can burn 20 mins of video to a disk?
There are many other, free, software programs out there that will allow you to burn a vcd, cause all it is is a regular cd with a different file system type.
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Simple. Those are all done by for-profit companies and I have a problem with donating anything to for profit companies. They're supposed to make money by selling stuff, not by donations. If they want to find a drug to cure breast cancer, they should build their OWN supercomputer to search for it. Unless they're going to give ME a cut of their profits when they find a cure??
I couldnt agree with you more. Seti has so many users that they don't have enough data to analyze and are having to write slower clients & have data analyzed many times over. Sure, it'd be cool if they discovered alien signals, but adding my CPU power to the procject won't make it happen any faster, because I'll probably just be re-cheching data that someone or several someones have already checked. (and there's the question of wether aliens would actually send radio signals,or send pulsed laser signals instead which would travel further with less degredation of data (think fiber optic vs cellular data)) RC5-64 is fun, and searching for Optimal Golomb Rulers even has real scientific applications.
spatula city... we sell spatula's, and that's all!
Don't forget, that's canadian money theyre talking about. It works out to about $100 American/mo. Pretty darn good if it's high speed, or barely 28.8 if your lucky. In canada there are much fewer urban centres where cable or Dsl is available than the states.
Some fights are worth picking. This is one of them.
Did you even bother to read what he wrote??? He can't get the site hosted for $30/mo, they threatened legal action, because they say they own his intellectual property. And who are you to say his speech isn't worth protecting? Just because it may not be important to you doesnt mean it's not important to someone.
If the site was on university computers, it's theirs How can you say that?? Unless it's explicitly stated in the TOS, that's just plain not true. Most hosting companies do not take possesion of the IP rights of people who are posting web sites, why should a university be any different?
I suppose the question is did he sign an agreement that gave IP rights to the university? If not, then the IP rights are his, because he created it. Unless he was explicitly doing this for the U of U (ie: there was a contract for it), then he was doing it on his own, hosted on their servers. Just because i host your data on my servers, doesnt mean that I own your data, unless you agree to something that says i do.
I think that the real problem here is that the university declared his intellectual property his own, wiped all of his backups (lucky he had offsite ones) and won't even let him bring the site back up even if it's offsite on his own hardware. And arent universities supposed to support free speech?
He probably is on crack. If you don't agree with me, check out some of his previous articles. This article is typical of his writing style. Talk about someone who fears change, who'se whole perception of the world is messed up, and doesn't even bother to research simple facts. Whenever i'm looking for a good laugh, i look up one of his articles.
The thing that you have to remember is that at some level, all internet access is shared. Sure, I have to share bandwidth with my neighbors, but you think your ADSL connection doesnt plug into a hub/switch along with your neighbors, in the Telco office? They would have the same bandwidth problems if DSL took off like crazy.
Why the hell would I buy stock in a company that's so broke they have to ask for donations?? Ok, i know they didn't ask, but clearly they're in financial trouble, would a company like that really make an intelligent investment?
Geez, I didnt even know we had a space agency!
True. It would be nice if he could reply and clarify what he meant. I still think that since they are a for-profit company, they should do what other for-profit companies do when they are losing money: cut jobs, wages, or go bankrupt. If Mandrake makes $10 Million next quarter, are they going to give their profits back to the people who donated? Say they get 1M worth of donations and that makes the difference between 10M and 11M (I know these numbers are wrong) in profits, what was the point of donating and who benifits from this other than the stockholders? If they go bankrupt, so be it, clearly they shouldnt be propped up on donations. The Linux movment isnt going to go under if 1 Linux company goes under (or all of them, for that matter, it was doing just fine before there were ANY commercial companies involved)
He did imply that you "owe" them something. His exact comments: "If you use Mandrake and bought it from them or retail, then you owe them nothing. However if you use it and downloaded it or bought if from cheapbytes then Mandrake got nothing from you, and you might consider making a donation." He did SAY "you might consider" but the implication is that it is no different than buying it, you still OWE them something. You don't have to say something to imply it. People call that reading between the lines.
You imply that if you download it, you owe them something. This simply isnt true. It's their choice to provide it for free. If it costs too much to do that, then they should stop. Why the hell should I pay money to a company that cant manage it's own finances???? Fire some people, cut wages, cut back projects. That's what other companies in the real world do!
I'm sorry, but I too have major problems donating to a for-profit company, regardless of what they do. That even goes as far as not participating in the distributed computing aids & cancer projects, because they are being run by a company that is making a profit off of it. The proper way to "donate" to a company is to a for-profit company is to BUY something from it. Think Mandrake is doing something worthwile? then go to their web site and order a distro from them. The analogy to toll roads & museums is just plain bad. Museums ARE not-for-profit, so donating is a good thing. Toll roads are for-profit, and you're paying to use their product(the road) & paying isnt optional.
"He says the technology can even determine whether a man is watching alone or is watching with his wife and has control of the clicker. When he's with his wife, a man will typically only switch channels during commercial breaks, but then he may hit several different channels searching for sports scores. If the wife has control, she will go to a single channel -- often one with music videos -- and stay there throughout the commercial break" Does this mean I'm going to have to watch tampon commercials if I dont channel surf during commercials?
Geez, after that, the Lynx web browser sure is starting to look good now. Mmmm no javascript, no activeX & no "user silhouettes"... privacy is good.
>>currently nowhere near fuel costs dominating What the hell are you talking about??? A space shuttle launch costs over a billion dollars, and by far the highest expense is fuel
Woohoo! I'm #1!!!
So, they're saying the placebo effect is actually a placebo effect? That people didnt think they were getting better, they only thought that they thought they were getting better?
I belive they have already done this. It's called a "wire"
That's right, most DVD players can read VCD disks, and that is what you are creating with this software. Notice it says you can burn 20 mins of video to a disk? There are many other, free, software programs out there that will allow you to burn a vcd, cause all it is is a regular cd with a different file system type.
Bite me.