I keep hearing that *BSD's IPstack is faster, more robust, etc. But I never see hard numbers to back it up. I want a identical hardware benchmark that can push both stacks, and see which one is better. The nearest I've seen compare linux 1.2.* and FreeBSD 2.0. Ancient history in otherwords.
If you've got numbers, and the testing details that produced them, I'd like to see them.
As a Sun Sysadmin, I see only 2 problems that keep this box from UTTERLY blowing away the competition.
1) The drives are non SCSI, so in sun land, you can't mirror the hard drives [1]
2) (Follows from 1) The drives don't hot swap.
Sun has long lagged behind Compaq (the intel servers I see most at my work) and probably others in shipping with RAID chips that can cover the 2-5 hot swap, SCSI drives that can go in the chassie. Now I understand charging serious cash for external storage, but for the root drives, lay off.
[1] Note: if there is a way around this, I would LOVE to hear it, but every where I've seen, unless you have 2 different IDE busses, you can't mirror root drives.
It's funny. I have all of these recordings on LP. My parents gave them too me (4 record box set 1 of poems, 1 for hobbit and FotR, 1 for 2T and RotK. 1 of Christopher Tolkien reading The Lay of Beren and Luthien) YEARS ago (like 1982). In 1999 I dug through my parents place and found them, and realized what they actually were. The next trick was to find a turntable...:-)
I think rather, that this is another illustration of how open standards are wonderful. That apt can be (relativly easily) ported to take another backend system is a testiment to great people, doing great things for ALL linux users. Not getting caught up in the bickering between vi(m) and emacs, rpm and deb, redhat and mandrake, etc.
Because almost EVERYTHING here is opinion. The editors have opinions. They're going to post about them. This never promised to be an unbiased news source.
This is an interesting theory about how life could have come to Earth, but it only solves the n+1 part of how life came to exist. The base case, or how the very first life came to exist is still an open question.
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I need to second the recomendation of _Tigana_; it truly is a stunning read. Guy Gavriel Kay's other books are really good as well, but _Tigana_ is his masterpiece (And, unlike most fantasy these days, it's all in one novel).
Back on topic, I've found Iain M. Banks' work to be very good, but he does fall into the typically british problem of wordyness, at least in the opinion of this resident of the Southern U.S.
An AC wrote: "FreeBSD has a reputation for... a fast IP stack"
I've heard this for 4 years now, but I have NEVER seen numbers to back it up. I honestly don't know if *BSD's is faster than Linux 2.2., but I'd like to...
The page quotes zdnet as follows: "We've known for the last year that corporate America is taking a wait-and-see attitude towards Windows 2000, but the fact that well over half have no plans for adopting Windows 2000 until 2001 or later and that a large percent of users plan never to migrate starts to look like a sea change."
This industry, for all it's speed, has no memory of history. I remember the exact same type logic for NT4's release. And look what happened.
The reason that win2k will beat out Novell for the marketing is that new computers will come shipped with it. You won't be seeing dell having a check box for 'pre-install Novell 5'. You will see one for Win2k. IIRC, you can see it now, for a BETA! Microsoft will win this war with novell due to it's control of the OEM's. And novell doesn't have the popularity to force OEM's to change, like they did for linux.
In 1 year, or more likly 4 months, you won't be able to buy a computer with NT4 on it. Then companies will either have to upgrade everyone to maintain compatability, or downgrade the new boxes. For workstations, people won't like getting a 'downgraded' box, and will complain, and eventually get win2k.
I would disagree that perl is a good beginners language. It has way to many hacks and gimmics in it. (This is not always a bad thing. Just that it lets beginners get away with too many things. At one point I inherited some horrid perl code that a decent grounding in CS would have helped immeasurably.) I'd suggest a cleaner, strongly typed language like python or java. Both have active development groups, and there's lots of documentation and examples out there. And ORA has books for both languages.
Ditto on this. Basically it comes down to an old cliche'. Familiarity breeds contempt. If you see something too often, you just ignore it. I for one never notice that I'm a moderator until I see the controls.
As someone who has used both products, I have to say that both have their points. Both are wonderful unicies.
What I have a hard time dealing with is zealots, and there are enough of them in every camp.
He says: I was bitten by this several years ago when I wrote a set of scripts to manage the startup rc files on a Slackware system. When the system was moved to Red Hat, the scripts broke.
You wrote code based on 1 system (BSD init) of rc scripts. You move to a system that advertises itself as having the other system (sysv init), and you expect your scripts to work?
He says: In many ways, Linux is a FreeBSD clone.
This has been debunked enough already. Might as well say that Solaris is a FreeBSD clone. (just trying to tweak some noses:-) )
While I find that most of the BSD people who get published to be bigots, I must say that 2 things are important in this post:
1) Linux and *BSD both work. Use what you're comfortable with. Be it Redhat, NetBSD, slackware, OpenBSD, Debian, BSDI, mandrake or FreeBSD.
2) He said: Those in the Linux community who trash talk FreeBSD merely imitate the Microsoft they hate so much.
So long as he applies that to those who trashtalk linux, he has a very important point.
Use debian, Use RedHat. Use both. Use something else. But DON'T claim that a distribution is 'for the big boys' at the expense of another. All that is, is a bunch of insignificant kids who want to feel superior. There isn't a distribution that I've messed with for any length of time that wouldn't let you get under the hood and tinker {slackware's claim to fame}, and there are arn't distributions that you can't set up to work, and get out of your way while you do YOUR work.
Sure there are some differences in how they operate, but those arn't that hard to deal with. Remember Perl's motto: "There's more than one way to do it".
Stop the distribution wars. Start distribution competitions, but not wars.
And not graphics, right? Then why on earth does it have a slow, fully graphical (ok. there is one word in text there at the bottom. "Credits") front page?
I thought that at most patents expired after 14 years... Why then is Mit{mumble} still paying $250 mill/year for royaltys? CD's entered in 82, that would be 96 when the patent expired.
Or is there something that I don't know? (highly probable)
[1] "Why are they naming an operating system after the greatest computer disaster in history?" "Not to mention the year 2000 problem..." (Dialog on a.s.r.)
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It doesn't say very much. It's mostly just a rehash of common information. The historical perspective is an interesting one, despite the alleged inaccuracies. I think the best phrase, and the one that's most important to remember is this one:
"Perhaps the interval of rampant Gatesian monopolism between the blossom of BSD and the advent of Linux is just another periodic lilt of the paradigm dance."
Kuhn couldn't write his way out of a wet, brown, paper bag, but he did have some points.
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Anyone know of a clean way to >/dev/null any of those freaking popup advertisments?
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I keep hearing that *BSD's IPstack is faster, more robust, etc. But I never see hard numbers to back it up. I want a identical hardware benchmark that can push both stacks, and see which one is better. The nearest I've seen compare linux 1.2.* and FreeBSD 2.0. Ancient history in otherwords.
If you've got numbers, and the testing details that produced them, I'd like to see them.
As a Sun Sysadmin, I see only 2 problems that keep this box from UTTERLY blowing away the competition.
1) The drives are non SCSI, so in sun land, you can't mirror the hard drives [1]
2) (Follows from 1) The drives don't hot swap.
Sun has long lagged behind Compaq (the intel servers I see most at my work) and probably others in shipping with RAID chips that can cover the 2-5 hot swap, SCSI drives that can go in the chassie. Now I understand charging serious cash for external storage, but for the root drives, lay off.
[1] Note: if there is a way around this, I would LOVE to hear it, but every where I've seen, unless you have 2 different IDE busses, you can't mirror root drives.
It's funny. I have all of these recordings on LP. My parents gave them too me (4 record box set 1 of poems, 1 for hobbit and FotR, 1 for 2T and RotK. 1 of Christopher Tolkien reading The Lay of Beren and Luthien) YEARS ago (like 1982). In 1999 I dug through my parents place and found them, and realized what they actually were. The next trick was to find a turntable... :-)
If you can find them, I highly recommend them.
I think rather, that this is another illustration of how open standards are wonderful. That apt can be (relativly easily) ported to take another backend system is a testiment to great people, doing great things for ALL linux users. Not getting caught up in the bickering between vi(m) and emacs, rpm and deb, redhat and mandrake, etc.
Because almost EVERYTHING here is opinion. The editors have opinions. They're going to post about them. This never promised to be an unbiased news source.
Carpe DM, Seize the Dungeon Master.
This is an interesting theory about how life could have come to Earth, but it only solves the n+1 part of how life came to exist. The base case, or how the very first life came to exist is still an open question.
I need to second the recomendation of _Tigana_; it truly is a stunning read. Guy Gavriel Kay's other books are really good as well, but _Tigana_ is his masterpiece (And, unlike most fantasy these days, it's all in one novel).
Back on topic, I've found Iain M. Banks' work to be very good, but he does fall into the typically british problem of wordyness, at least in the opinion of this resident of the Southern U.S.
An AC wrote: ... a fast IP stack"
"FreeBSD has a reputation for
I've heard this for 4 years now, but I have NEVER seen numbers to back it up. I honestly don't know if *BSD's is faster than Linux 2.2., but I'd like to...
The page quotes zdnet as follows:
"We've known for the last year that corporate America is taking a wait-and-see attitude towards Windows 2000, but the fact that well over half have no plans for adopting Windows 2000 until 2001 or later and that a large percent of users plan never to migrate starts to look like a sea change."
This industry, for all it's speed, has no memory of history. I remember the exact same type logic for NT4's release. And look what happened.
The reason that win2k will beat out Novell for the marketing is that new computers will come shipped with it. You won't be seeing dell having a check box for 'pre-install Novell 5'. You will see one for Win2k. IIRC, you can see it now, for a BETA! Microsoft will win this war with novell due to it's control of the OEM's. And novell doesn't have the popularity to force OEM's to change, like they did for linux.
In 1 year, or more likly 4 months, you won't be able to buy a computer with NT4 on it. Then companies will either have to upgrade everyone to maintain compatability, or downgrade the new boxes. For workstations, people won't like getting a 'downgraded' box, and will complain, and eventually get win2k.
Unfortunatly, it's not about supperior products.
I would disagree that perl is a good beginners language. It has way to many hacks and gimmics in it. (This is not always a bad thing. Just that it lets beginners get away with too many things. At one point I inherited some horrid perl code that a decent grounding in CS would have helped immeasurably.) I'd suggest a cleaner, strongly typed language like python or java. Both have active development groups, and there's lots of documentation and examples out there. And ORA has books for both languages.
Ditto on this. Basically it comes down to an old cliche'. Familiarity breeds contempt. If you see something too often, you just ignore it. I for one never notice that I'm a moderator until I see the controls.
As someone who has used both products, I have to say that both have their points. Both are wonderful unicies.
:-) )
What I have a hard time dealing with is zealots, and there are enough of them in every camp.
He says:
I was bitten by this several years ago when I wrote a set of scripts to manage the startup rc files on a Slackware system. When the system was moved to Red Hat, the scripts broke.
You wrote code based on 1 system (BSD init) of rc scripts. You move to a system that advertises itself as having the other system (sysv init), and you expect your scripts to work?
He says:
In many ways, Linux is a FreeBSD clone.
This has been debunked enough already. Might as well say that Solaris is a FreeBSD clone. (just trying to tweak some noses
While I find that most of the BSD people who get published to be bigots, I must say that 2 things are important in this post:
1) Linux and *BSD both work. Use what you're comfortable with. Be it Redhat, NetBSD, slackware, OpenBSD, Debian, BSDI, mandrake or FreeBSD.
2) He said:
Those in the Linux community who trash talk FreeBSD merely imitate the Microsoft they hate so much.
So long as he applies that to those who trashtalk linux, he has a very important point.
Use debian, Use RedHat. Use both. Use something else. But DON'T claim that a distribution is 'for the big boys' at the expense of another. All that is, is a bunch of insignificant kids who want to feel superior. There isn't a distribution that I've messed with for any length of time that wouldn't let you get under the hood and tinker {slackware's claim to fame}, and there are arn't distributions that you can't set up to work, and get out of your way while you do YOUR work.
Sure there are some differences in how they operate, but those arn't that hard to deal with. Remember Perl's motto: "There's more than one way to do it".
Stop the distribution wars. Start distribution competitions, but not wars.
And not graphics, right? Then why on earth does it have a slow, fully graphical (ok. there is one word in text there at the bottom. "Credits") front page?
just curious
If it's embedded in songs, just play the songs off of a write protected media. (CD's anyone?)
If it's data the program has to store somewhere, that's easy too.
If they write to their own directory structure, it's easy to find.
If they write to some global storage, it can be found. (Just more difficult)
(And last I checked, programs arn't allowed to rewrite their own executables anymore for fear of being a virus)
I thought that at most patents expired after 14 years... Why then is Mit{mumble} still paying $250 mill/year for royaltys? CD's entered in 82, that would be 96 when the patent expired.
Or is there something that I don't know? (highly probable)
What's that I hear? Microsoft not fragmented?
Let's see: Win95, Win98, WinNT, WinNT64, Win2k[1]
WinCE...
Guh.
[1] "Why are they naming an operating system after the greatest computer disaster in history?"
"Not to mention the year 2000 problem..." (Dialog on a.s.r.)
It doesn't say very much. It's mostly just a rehash of common information. The historical perspective is an interesting one, despite the alleged inaccuracies. I think the best phrase, and the one that's most important to remember is this one:
"Perhaps the interval of rampant Gatesian monopolism between the blossom of BSD and the advent of Linux is just another periodic lilt of the paradigm dance."
Kuhn couldn't write his way out of a wet, brown, paper bag, but he did have some points.
Anyone know of a clean way to >/dev/null any of those freaking popup advertisments?
:-)
Or should I just ask slashdot this?