So it wasnt going into the oceans before and all of a sudden started going into the oceans all at once? Thus creating a "pause"? Why wasnt the heat going into the oceans before the "pause"?
Yes. The scientists are saying that it never went into the oceans until they noticed that it was going into the oceans.....
You know, if people who arent climate scientists are not qualified to question the science, then people who arent climate scientists are also not qualified to defend the science.
This statement is dumb. Let's go to a more obvious example: if people who arent gravitational physicists are not qualified to question the science, then people who arent gravitational physicists are also not qualified to defend the science...even though we can all see the apples falling from the tree. Or the ice melting from the Arctic.
essentially we're tlaking about playing the game of "what if?". as in, "what if X was different? would Y have still have happened?", and that's a difficult link to make.
The scientific viewpoint is that "No single weather event can be definitively tied to climate change", because the causal link has not yet been made definitively. But at the same time, weather events are happening more often. The phrase is "“statistically speaking, we’re seeing more extreme weather events, getting even more extreme over time”. And weather "seasons" are changing in duration; some starting earlier and lasting longer, others starting later and ending sooner.
But that could be changing now too, as a new study says to have found something in the wake of the polar vortex:
A paper just came out by a team of climatologists possibly linking global warming to these extreme weather events. It’s based on an idea that’s been around a while, but hadn't been verified. Now we’re seeing evidence for it.
The key to this is what’s called a “blocking pattern”, where a high-pressure system becomes immobile, squatting over a specific spot. Under the high-pressure spot, this can bring long, grueling heat waves that don’t go away for days or weeks. On the edges it can bring a deluge of rain, as moist air from the south is brought up to meet colder air coming down from the north. That’s what Detroit and New York just went through.
It must be. That nice poltician in Kentucky said so. He said:
As you [Energy & Environment Cabinet official] sit there in your chair with your data, we sit up here in ours with our data and our constituents and stuff behind us. I won’t get into the debate about climate change but I’ll simply point out that I think in academia we all agree that the temperature on Mars is exactly as it is here. Nobody will dispute that. Yet there are no coal mines on Mars. There’s no factories on Mars that I’m aware of.
And of course it's a total concidence that he happens to own a company called Mohawk Energy.
You do know that your local man on Tv usually isnt an actual meteorologist? And what's on the teleprompter may or may not have been based on NOAA's official forecast. Weather modeling and forecasts are very good, boasting >95% accuracy over the first 3-4 days, with accuracy decreasing the further ahead you go.
"This claim is based more on an appeal to emotion than fact. The inference is that climate predictions, decades into the future, cannot be possibly right when the weather forecast for the next day has some uncertainty. In spite of the claim in this myth, short term weather forecasts are highly accurate and have improved dramatically over the last three decades."
Uh...no. You do know that's not how it works right? Apparently not, or you wouldnt have said somehting so stupid.
So let me educate you: THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.
What, you think scientists are out of work and have to go learn a new trade if they can't find anything to research, so they make stuff up? JFC...how dumb are you?
And here goes the lying liar linking to another lying liar, again. The only reason they're inexplicable, is because he's not a scientist. The blog post refers only to land based sensors in the US, and the difference it causes is less than 0.02%, and it onyl affects a single data set for the US. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/G...
"Denialists jumped on the bandwagon in regards to this shift making many grandiose claims that it invalidates all of the data that proves this has been the hottest decade in recorded history. This is not the case; it only makes a tiny difference that does not change the decade averages or the global averages."
So.. once again: nothing you have stated is valid.
"Models successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally, by land, in the air and the ocean." "While there are uncertainties with climate models, they successfully reproduce the past and have made predictions that have been subsequently confirmed by observations."
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Phil Kerpen (president, founder): Kerpen is the former policy and legislative strategist at Americans for Prosperity and previously worked at Club for Growth. He is chairman of the Internet Freedom Coalition and a Fox News opinion columnist. Profile:
American Commitment was founded in April 2012 by former Americans for Prosperity strategist Phil Kerpen. The group’s website says it is dedicated to individual freedom, limited government and economic growth. It has generally supported Republican candidates running for federal office.
Americans for Prosperity is known as a Koch-brothers-backed, politically active nonprofit, but Kerpen denies American Commitment is linked to Americans for Prosperity. When asked by the Washington Post if billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch were funding American Commitment, Kerpen would not answer, saying only that he takes the privacy of all American Commitment donors very seriously.
In mid-July, Kerpen said the nonprofit had raised $7 million. As a 501(c)(4) nonprofit, American Commitment is not legally required to publicly disclose its donors. But the Center for Responsive Politics discovered that the group had received a $1.6 million grant in 2011 for "general support" from another nonprofit, the Arizona-based Center to Protect Patient Rights.
According to the Center for Responsive Politics, American Commitment spent nearly $2 million on ads that expressly advocated for the election or defeat of federal candidates in the 2012 election. That includes $1.4 million spent in Arizona's U.S. Senate race on ads supporting Republican Jeff Flake or opposing Democrat Richard Carmona.
Many of American Commitment’s ads have avoided federal disclosure because they do not explicitly advocate for or against a candidate, and because the ads aired more than 30 days before a primary or 60 days before the general election.
For instance, between June 28 and July 10, American Commitment aired seven different television ads in Ohio, Wisconsin, Florida, New Mexico, Nevada and North Dakota, all opposing Democratic candidates. Another series of ads opposed the farm bill and its food stamp provisions criticizing three House Republicans: Steve King of Iowa, Frank Lucas of Okahoma and Vicky Hartzler of Missouri.
The group also made large ad buys over the summer in Florida, where it spent $1.1 million opposing Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson, according to the Orlando Sentinel, and in Ohio, where it spent $1.2 million opposing Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown, according to the Washington Post.
American Commitment also runs NoMandateTax.com, which opposes the Affordable Care Act, KeystoneXLNow.com, which supports the proposed Keystone XL oil pipeline, and WarOnCoal.com, which opposes President Barack Obama’s efforts to decrease hazardous emissions from coal-fired plants.
They also operate ALECpetition.com, which urges people to “reject anti-ALEC bullying.” The American Legislative Exchange Council, known as ALEC, is a partially Koch-backed, unofficial lobbying outfit that is run by mostly Republican state lawmakers and corporations that work together to write and promote “model legislation” that often makes it into the nation’s statehouses.
ALEC’s tax-exempt status has come under scrutiny for having written some of the most contentious legislation in the country, including voter ID bills, anti-union bills and stand-your-ground gun rights bills. The Center for Public Integrity has been tracking AL
they are now contributing and trying to control/affect local mayoral and city council elections across the country. Congress, and even state level is no longer enough. a guy in iowa actually lost cause they came in out of nowhere and began "promoting" him....in a town of 500 people. he was embarassed, and actually apologized to his neighbors.
in nashville, a city in which the Koch's have ZERO financial interest, a new plan to create a new high speed transit link (basically, an express public bus route) cross town was killed by their PAC coming into town and campaigning against it.
One of their groups along with the Waltons contributes mightilty to PBS, including the childrens shows, like Sesame Street. Even during their speil of "who contributed funding" the groups tagline says "to promot school choice"....turns out hte groups promote choice by supporting hte privatization of the school system, the turning of schools into a business.
they will not be satisfied til every town in this country, no matter how small, bows to their version of libertarianism. that's why they do it.
yet as long as the party contineus to generally also support workers rights, unions, science, and any other topic on which they happen to agree with me, while the other party generally does not, they will get my vote.
thats why its important to vote the man, not the party.
Most of them also hate increased heat and reduced moisture. And they dont really "love CO2". That's a misunderstand of plant respiration.
The Sun and it's Cycles really do have the most extreme effect on our climate.
No, they don't. This has been proven decisively. In fact, if they were having an effect, the Earth should be cooling right now, as the sun is actually going through a period of lower solar output for some time now.
Further: "The claim that solar cycle length proves the sun is driving global warming is based on a single study published in 1991. Subsequent research, including a paper by a co-author of the original 1991 paper, finds the opposite conclusion. Solar cycle length as a proxy for solar activity tells us the sun has had very little contribution to global warming since 1975." http://www.skepticalscience.co...
Then you didnt look very hard considering many of them live on floating ice in the ocean, far from land, where there are no islands. That's why they are dependent on the ice to rest, because they cannot swim constantly like other members of the seal family. When the ice disappears, their possible range shrinks as they are forced to come ashore to rest. Living on the ice is one of their evolutionary advantages, keeping them safe from predators, close to their food supply, and increasing the posible territory they can inhabit.
"The limited diving abilities of walruses brings them to depend on shallow waters (and the nearby ice floes) for reaching their food supply." "The walrus relies on this ice while giving birth and aggregating in the reproductive period." "Thinner pack ice over the Bering Sea has reduced the amount of resting habitat near optimal feeding grounds. This more widely separates lactating females from their calves, increasing nutritional stress for the young and lower reproductive rates."
Nothing new does not mean not related. Car crashes occured before drunk driving became an epidemic, yet that doesnt mean that the increase in car crashes was not affected by the increase in drunk driving.
Walrus are dependent on the ice. When there's not enough ice, they beach. Walrus landings have been increasing as ice decreases. The ice is decreasing because of globl warning.
You first chump. You have never done anything but poopoo the science and push long debunked denier BS.
You act as if there is some magic science to be done in between. It's real simple.I'll break it down for you: -Walrus are weak swimmers compared to the rest of seal-dom. They cannot swim indefinitely, and have to rest. -They typically rest on sea ice. It's nearer their food, convenient, and extremely safe for them. -They now are having to come ashore because there's not enough ice. -Why is there is not enough ice? Oh right...global warming.
You are an idiot. You are not reasonable. You ARE a denialist and have never been anything but, and your attempts to appeal to "reason" are merely a smokescreen for your own ignorance.
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the words "absolute joke" "rain instead of sun" were used.
that pretty much qaulifies.
So it wasnt going into the oceans before and all of a sudden started going into the oceans all at once? Thus creating a "pause"? Why wasnt the heat going into the oceans before the "pause"?
Yes. The scientists are saying that it never went into the oceans until they noticed that it was going into the oceans.....
You know, if people who arent climate scientists are not qualified to question the science, then people who arent climate scientists are also not qualified to defend the science.
This statement is dumb. Let's go to a more obvious example: if people who arent gravitational physicists are not qualified to question the science, then people who arent gravitational physicists are also not qualified to defend the science...even though we can all see the apples falling from the tree. Or the ice melting from the Arctic.
essentially we're tlaking about playing the game of "what if?".
as in, "what if X was different? would Y have still have happened?", and that's a difficult link to make.
Actually no. You completely misstated it.
The scientific viewpoint is that "No single weather event can be definitively tied to climate change", because the causal link has not yet been made definitively. But at the same time, weather events are happening more often. The phrase is "“statistically speaking, we’re seeing more extreme weather events, getting even more extreme over time”. And weather "seasons" are changing in duration; some starting earlier and lasting longer, others starting later and ending sooner.
But that could be changing now too, as a new study says to have found something in the wake of the polar vortex:
A paper just came out by a team of climatologists possibly linking global warming to these extreme weather events. It’s based on an idea that’s been around a while, but hadn't been verified. Now we’re seeing evidence for it.
The key to this is what’s called a “blocking pattern”, where a high-pressure system becomes immobile, squatting over a specific spot. Under the high-pressure spot, this can bring long, grueling heat waves that don’t go away for days or weeks. On the edges it can bring a deluge of rain, as moist air from the south is brought up to meet colder air coming down from the north. That’s what Detroit and New York just went through.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad...
It must be. That nice poltician in Kentucky said so. He said:
As you [Energy & Environment Cabinet official] sit there in your chair with your data, we sit up here in ours with our data and our constituents and stuff behind us. I won’t get into the debate about climate change but I’ll simply point out that I think in academia we all agree that the temperature on Mars is exactly as it is here. Nobody will dispute that. Yet there are no coal mines on Mars. There’s no factories on Mars that I’m aware of.
And of course it's a total concidence that he happens to own a company called Mohawk Energy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
Nothing you said is true.
Probably why you posted as AC.
Cognitive filter. Example: you.
You do know that your local man on Tv usually isnt an actual meteorologist? And what's on the teleprompter may or may not have been based on NOAA's official forecast. Weather modeling and forecasts are very good, boasting >95% accuracy over the first 3-4 days, with accuracy decreasing the further ahead you go.
"This claim is based more on an appeal to emotion than fact. The inference is that climate predictions, decades into the future, cannot be possibly right when the weather forecast for the next day has some uncertainty.
In spite of the claim in this myth, short term weather forecasts are highly accurate and have improved dramatically over the last three decades."
http://www.skepticalscience.co...
As if we already know everything there is to know about the oceans, and he would be out of work if he didnt just make something up....
Uh...no. You do know that's not how it works right?
Apparently not, or you wouldnt have said somehting so stupid.
So let me educate you: THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.
What, you think scientists are out of work and have to go learn a new trade if they can't find anything to research, so they make stuff up?
JFC...how dumb are you?
http://arstechnica.com/science...
And here goes the lying liar linking to another lying liar, again.
The only reason they're inexplicable, is because he's not a scientist.
The blog post refers only to land based sensors in the US, and the difference it causes is less than 0.02%, and it onyl affects a single data set for the US.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/G...
"Denialists jumped on the bandwagon in regards to this shift making many grandiose claims that it invalidates all of the data that proves this has been the hottest decade in recorded history. This is not the case; it only makes a tiny difference that does not change the decade averages or the global averages."
So.. once again: nothing you have stated is valid.
Myth: The models arent accurate
Fact: The models are accurate.
"Models successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally, by land, in the air and the ocean."
"While there are uncertainties with climate models, they successfully reproduce the past and have made predictions that have been subsequently confirmed by observations."
http://www.skepticalscience.co...
http://www.skepticalscience.co...
Ah yes.
"The Little Ice Age" myth.
Here you go, since you dont seen to know what youre talking about:
http://www.skepticalscience.co...
That's why the man said: "40 years later, and the only trickle down I've seen has been brown and stinky."
That threads not as slender as you think it is:
http://www.publicintegrity.org...
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Phil Kerpen (president, founder): Kerpen is the former policy and legislative strategist at Americans for Prosperity and previously worked at Club for Growth. He is chairman of the Internet Freedom Coalition and a Fox News opinion columnist.
Profile:
American Commitment was founded in April 2012 by former Americans for Prosperity strategist Phil Kerpen. The group’s website says it is dedicated to individual freedom, limited government and economic growth. It has generally supported Republican candidates running for federal office.
Americans for Prosperity is known as a Koch-brothers-backed, politically active nonprofit, but Kerpen denies American Commitment is linked to Americans for Prosperity. When asked by the Washington Post if billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch were funding American Commitment, Kerpen would not answer, saying only that he takes the privacy of all American Commitment donors very seriously.
In mid-July, Kerpen said the nonprofit had raised $7 million. As a 501(c)(4) nonprofit, American Commitment is not legally required to publicly disclose its donors. But the Center for Responsive Politics discovered that the group had received a $1.6 million grant in 2011 for "general support" from another nonprofit, the Arizona-based Center to Protect Patient Rights.
According to the Center for Responsive Politics, American Commitment spent nearly $2 million on ads that expressly advocated for the election or defeat of federal candidates in the 2012 election. That includes $1.4 million spent in Arizona's U.S. Senate race on ads supporting Republican Jeff Flake or opposing Democrat Richard Carmona.
Many of American Commitment’s ads have avoided federal disclosure because they do not explicitly advocate for or against a candidate, and because the ads aired more than 30 days before a primary or 60 days before the general election.
For instance, between June 28 and July 10, American Commitment aired seven different television ads in Ohio, Wisconsin, Florida, New Mexico, Nevada and North Dakota, all opposing Democratic candidates. Another series of ads opposed the farm bill and its food stamp provisions criticizing three House Republicans: Steve King of Iowa, Frank Lucas of Okahoma and Vicky Hartzler of Missouri.
The group also made large ad buys over the summer in Florida, where it spent $1.1 million opposing Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson, according to the Orlando Sentinel, and in Ohio, where it spent $1.2 million opposing Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown, according to the Washington Post.
American Commitment also runs NoMandateTax.com, which opposes the Affordable Care Act, KeystoneXLNow.com, which supports the proposed Keystone XL oil pipeline, and WarOnCoal.com, which opposes President Barack Obama’s efforts to decrease hazardous emissions from coal-fired plants.
They also operate ALECpetition.com, which urges people to “reject anti-ALEC bullying.” The American Legislative Exchange Council, known as ALEC, is a partially Koch-backed, unofficial lobbying outfit that is run by mostly Republican state lawmakers and corporations that work together to write and promote “model legislation” that often makes it into the nation’s statehouses.
ALEC’s tax-exempt status has come under scrutiny for having written some of the most contentious legislation in the country, including voter ID bills, anti-union bills and stand-your-ground gun rights bills. The Center for Public Integrity has been tracking AL
they are now contributing and trying to control/affect local mayoral and city council elections across the country. Congress, and even state level is no longer enough.
a guy in iowa actually lost cause they came in out of nowhere and began "promoting" him....in a town of 500 people. he was embarassed, and actually apologized to his neighbors.
in nashville, a city in which the Koch's have ZERO financial interest, a new plan to create a new high speed transit link (basically, an express public bus route) cross town was killed by their PAC coming into town and campaigning against it.
One of their groups along with the Waltons contributes mightilty to PBS, including the childrens shows, like Sesame Street. Even during their speil of "who contributed funding" the groups tagline says "to promot school choice"....turns out hte groups promote choice by supporting hte privatization of the school system, the turning of schools into a business.
they will not be satisfied til every town in this country, no matter how small, bows to their version of libertarianism.
that's why they do it.
individual democrats are very often pro business.
yet as long as the party contineus to generally also support workers rights, unions, science, and any other topic on which they happen to agree with me, while the other party generally does not, they will get my vote.
thats why its important to vote the man, not the party.
And here we go again.
http://arstechnica.com/science...
"a little lower than normal" ?
You're as bad as the other cherry pickers.
http://www.nasa.gov/press/2014...
apparently you.
Plants love CO2.
Most of them also hate increased heat and reduced moisture. And they dont really "love CO2". That's a misunderstand of plant respiration.
The Sun and it's Cycles really do have the most extreme effect on our climate.
No, they don't. This has been proven decisively. In fact, if they were having an effect, the Earth should be cooling right now, as the sun is actually going through a period of lower solar output for some time now.
Further: "The claim that solar cycle length proves the sun is driving global warming is based on a single study published in 1991. Subsequent research, including a paper by a co-author of the original 1991 paper, finds the opposite conclusion. Solar cycle length as a proxy for solar activity tells us the sun has had very little contribution to global warming since 1975." http://www.skepticalscience.co...
But keep trying Mr AC.
Then you didnt look very hard considering many of them live on floating ice in the ocean, far from land, where there are no islands. That's why they are dependent on the ice to rest, because they cannot swim constantly like other members of the seal family. When the ice disappears, their possible range shrinks as they are forced to come ashore to rest. Living on the ice is one of their evolutionary advantages, keeping them safe from predators, close to their food supply, and increasing the posible territory they can inhabit.
"The limited diving abilities of walruses brings them to depend on shallow waters (and the nearby ice floes) for reaching their food supply."
"The walrus relies on this ice while giving birth and aggregating in the reproductive period."
"Thinner pack ice over the Bering Sea has reduced the amount of resting habitat near optimal feeding grounds. This more widely separates lactating females from their calves, increasing nutritional stress for the young and lower reproductive rates."
denialist website bought and paid for by Heartland.
why am i not surprised?
Nothing new does not mean not related.
Car crashes occured before drunk driving became an epidemic, yet that doesnt mean that the increase in car crashes was not affected by the increase in drunk driving.
Walrus are dependent on the ice.
When there's not enough ice, they beach.
Walrus landings have been increasing as ice decreases.
The ice is decreasing because of globl warning.
Keep trying chump.
You first chump.
You have never done anything but poopoo the science and push long debunked denier BS.
You act as if there is some magic science to be done in between. It's real simple.I'll break it down for you:
-Walrus are weak swimmers compared to the rest of seal-dom. They cannot swim indefinitely, and have to rest.
-They typically rest on sea ice. It's nearer their food, convenient, and extremely safe for them.
-They now are having to come ashore because there's not enough ice.
-Why is there is not enough ice? Oh right...global warming.
You are an idiot. You are not reasonable. You ARE a denialist and have never been anything but, and your attempts to appeal to "reason" are merely a smokescreen for your own ignorance.
thats why its called "local gravity".