yes and no. the effects would not necesarily be the same, as a big part of the problem is the rate of increase.
the climate has changed over the past. many times it was tremendously slow process, taking place over millions of years, which is the same timescale at which evolution and adaptation work, so it worked out.
but then you get things like the precambrian extinction event. likewise this was a global warming event. it took place over tens of thousands of years. and that was still too fast for 98% of life to adapt. it tooks millions of years for life to rebound from that event.
No. No there is not. The fact you would even say so shows tremendous ignorance and short sightedness. Your statement is akin to saying "the replacement of horses with cars will lead to tremendous economic harm".
Firstly, just researching something cannot lead to any economic harm. So you must obviously be refering not to research, but to the actual abandonment of fossil fuels. But that leads to number two which is: you are assuming absolutely no new technologies or markets will emerge to replace fossil fuels. News flash: they're already here.
Oh please. Millions is admittedly and obviously an expression.
And the point still stands: to deny the existence of oil and gas subsidies, to deny their massive lobbying power, to promote the myth of the rich scientist, is to deny reality.
the myth of the rich scientist pushing it for his own personal gain is just that: MYTH. much like the supposed "vaccine" or "cancer" conspiracies: the idea that thousands of scientists or doctors or researchers are all complicit in a global conspiracy, with not one person of integrity among them (keeping in mind that science doesnt function without integrity), not one whistleblower in the lot is simply farsical on its face.
and the further idea, that their "stakes" are somehow in any way comparable to that of the oil and gas industries, is just laughable.
From 1950 to 2010 toil, natural gas, and coal received $600 billion in subsidies, or 10 billion annually. From the US alone. The EU. being similar in size and makeup to the US, is probably similar. Then factor in the other big producers in Russia and hte Middle East and South America... http://www.misi-net.com/public...
Their profits for last, excluding some Chinese companies as they dont have same reporting requirements, exceeded 270 billion. And here's their *reported* lobbying ammounts: https://www.opensecrets.org/lo...
Your quote is reference the Annual Average...which it is set to do, and shows absolutely NO SIGNS of not crossing that milestone. Your post is one born of ignorance and an attempt to spread confusion.
Technically it was passed by in 2013...several times. But the monthly averages still came out slightly below 400ppm. April 2014 however was the first time the Monthly Average PPM level crossed 400ppm. And it's been theres since.
In fact I really dont see the point of your post. The trendline is quite clear, and is continually up. It has yet to FAIL to increase. It couldnt be more irrelegent of ignorant if you had said "oh good, they have a testable predictiona bout gravity. but will they still claim gravity is real if hte apple fails to fall to the ground?"
your post shows you have zero familiarity with how the research funding process actually works. for starters: they dont get to pocket the grant money as income. their livelihood is in no way dependent on research funding.
and it has nothing to do with power. you reflect the typical Civics 101 fail of more tea baggers who dont even understand what a government is.
we could end GW today, just by stopping all fossil fuel use. we have the tech today right to do it, be it nuclear or solar or wind. we oculd do it. its just a matter of political will, or the lack thereof (fueled by massive lobbying dollars from the fossil fuel industry). the monies the FFI spends on this makes the little that GW researchers recieve look a pittance. so dont come in here with that same tired trope of the rich scientist. its manure. nothing but.
No, those warm periods we not warmer. Nor were they global in nature. And news flash: the little ice age was also eurocentric (ie not global), and it ended hundreds of years ago.
This the change you're referring to. It is explained quite well, and the total change in the data is onl\y 0.2%. As in, basically nothing. Not that that has stopped deniers from saying 'NOAA IS PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!!"
I'm going to wager that you didnt watch Cosmos did you? He presented probably the simplest most accessbile explanation posssible. Here's a good link to the clip: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nei... That or you still dont understand the concept of averages.
It's not that "climate != weather" It's that climate = sum(weather) / (time*area) IE, climate is the average of weather over time or a region or both.
hurricane, tornado, drought, and heat wave to global warming?
Do those thing represent one day of local weather, or large events on large scales that last a long time? I'll break it down for you again, and ignore your attempt to put words in my mouth, and then tell me how I'm wrong.
-Weather is what's ouside your window. It's what's happening right now. In a very small time scale, in a very small regional-scale. Local, short term observations. -Climate is a whole bunch of those local observations strung together. It's a very large time scale, on a very large regional-scale.
Hurricanes are a climatological event that produce extreme weather (wind, rain). They are spawned by climatological factors, but grow and self-reinforce on a large scale and themselves grow to affect climate (in a way they give vent to rather large pent up energies). Tornadoes are a weather event, but the supercells that form them are themselves driven by climate trends. A heat wave is a string of related weather events. It may be localized or cover a large area, but being a string of related weather events again points more to the climate side of the scale. Droughts again: large scale, long term, climate.
In the case of AGW those scales are a) global, and b) range from a couple centuries, to several My depending on which line of evidence you're looking at. It was unusually cold in New England this winter. That's weather. But overall, this winter was still one of the 5 warmest on record. That's climate.
All these things are interwoven together. Ocean currents, the jet stream, warm/cold water layer mixing, warm/cold air mixing, humidity, water/air temperature gradients...all these things combine and interact to create the global climate which you see on a daily basic as weather. If an ocean current shifts it can reduce cloud formation lowering the water content of an air mass and increasing the radiative heating of the land surface immediately inland. these combined factors can lead to a lack of rainfall and/or increase in temperates. IE, drought and/or heat wave. In Cali's case, the Sierra range normally causes some preciptation as the air mass moves eastward, trapping it as snowpack, which then feeds water over the year into the arid region we know as the Central Valley. its what allows an arid region to also be good farmland inspite of its aridity. this year, there wasnt even enough moisture in the air for the mountains to squeeze any out.
The polar vortex happened because something pushed the normal wind pattern out of shape. it allowed a large mass of unusually cool air to penetrate south a long ways. The reverse also happened: a large mass of warm moist air pushed much north than normal, leading to increased temperatures in the North Pacific and Alaska, and parts of western Canada. Some climatalogical event altered the normal roughly stable route of the vortex. The vortex itself then affects large scale climate effects and drives local extreme weather.
See, the mistake here that denier consistently make is in thinking that this is a basic input output machine. It's not. It's a web of interconnected loops. Every output is the input to another stage in the machine, and every stage of the machine is linked to every other stage. Everything is in a feedback loop to something else.
you do realize what the hiatus refers to right? even if the hiatus as denierzs understand it were true (it's not, but just say for the moment)...it still supports the theory of global warming and does nothing to disprove it. then consider that deniers completely misundersdtand and mischaracterize what the hiatus even is, and their position becomes even more unteneble.
because.....why? what exactly do they get out of doing such a thing?
There are millions of scientists involved in this worldwide. What do they get out of it? Public funding? Research grants? Cause Lord knows we just lavish scientists with tons of public money in this country.....no wait, thats the exact opposite of what we do. and further, they dont get to pocket what little money they do get. that's illegal.
the ONLY climate "scientists" who get rich from their research and live high on the hog are those in the employ of the fossil fuel industries. Speaking of motivations...lets look at the fossil fuel industries. unlike those "lying AGW scientists", they actually do recieve tons of money from the government. hundreds of billions a year. and they make even more in profits selling their product. and they spend billions in lobbying every year.
so yes, let's talk motivations and stakes you AC idiot. the phrase "global million scientist conspiracy exposed by plucky group of oil billionaires" is not reflective of reality. rather reality illustrates just how mentally deficient your post is.
Thats why you people need to stop thinking of government as some mysterious other disconnected from you, and get involved in it. By the people, of the people, for the people, all the jazz. its an ideal thats hard to attain and maintain, and i hold no illusions that our government is meeting said ideal, but that doesnt mean the solution is to scrap it. Vote. Get involved. Help stop corporations* and rich folks from owning too much much of it, from enjoying disproportionate representation. One person, one vote. None of this "well i have more money, so my voice gets to be louder" crap. Our country is and has been more of an oligarchy than a democracy for some time. The solution to that problem isnt to throw out your best tool against it.
*BTW, corporations aren't evil. They're worse. They're amoral. Evil is predictable. Amorality is not, especially since hte source of their amorality is the pursuit of money, and people can get very creative when it comes to making money. You have a lot of faith in corporations. I dont. Companies have flouted and ignored food safety laws because they calculated they could afford to get away with so much and increase their profits by X amount....food safety laws created specifically because companies were poisoning people because they calculated just how much they could get away with.
Same withClean Air, CLean water acts, and the EPA that you folks love to deride. There's a reason we have them: Cause companies didn't give a shit. The way China looks now, with all that smog and pollution? That's what american cities used to be like. We had waterways that were so polluted they actually caught fire. Water. On fire. at the time of the CWA's passage 3/4 of the surface waters of our nation were unfit and unsafe to use. Today you wouldnt know it, the cleanup effort has been so successful.
Corporations have not, do not, and will not ever operate with the public's interest foremost in their minds. The only entity that does that is THE PUBLIC. And the way The Public expresses its collective will is through Government. Failing that, it's through guns and revolution, which isn't very pleasant for anyone, as it tends to be very short lasting and unstable and devolve into a vicious circle of re-revolution.
I do believe I said civil forfeiture needs to go away. So yes, further insult on top of that is of course even more infuriating.
What do you mean make no seizures and arrests? It's not only in the source article, but in the local news as well (I happen to live there). They aren't just training cops. They are literally acting as cops on their own. They run their own patrols. They make their own stops and detentions on the highway. You're goddamned right thats the most shocking bit. They're now facing charges and lawsuits related to "impersonating police", and the ADA who was involved is likewise facing some severe penalties. And its starting ot look like some of the other surrounding counties got involved too.
Much like the For Profit Prison model, their interests are completely polar opposite to that of the Police. The interests of Police at least (ideally) are aligned with the Public's: ie, the enforcement of law. This naturally leads to a desire to decrease criminality. But a corporation's interests lie in making money. And how does a For Profit Police/Prison company make more money? By finding more criminals, and increasing criminality.
Whatever. There's no sense in even talking to you "ALL GOVERNMENT IS EVIL" types. Government isnt always the solution but its not always the enemy either. Against corporations, how else do you deal with a bad actor? Individually? No that doesnt work, you're too small individually. Some sort of collective action right? A bunch of individuals acting in concert? Congratulations: that's what Government is.
Cops using an intelligence network to make job easier. Also fine.
Cops using a privately run intelligence network with no oversight or rules but lots of personally identifiable information to track people whom the state isn't even legally interested in? Not cool, but correctable. Oversight is important, as is proper rules and regs for things stored in a database and its usage, even for people the state is interested in. Adding people the state isnt legally interested in...is upsetting but not terribly surprising. This is a correctable situation.
Cops using a privately run intelligence network with no oversight or rules but lots of personally identifiable information to track people whom the state isn't even legally interested in, in order to sieze their assets and then keep a piece of those assets? Seriously messed up. Some people need fired. And we've long known civil forfeiture is ripe for abuse and needs to go away. More politically difficult, but still correctable. We must hold our public servants accountable.
Private business performing the duties of cops using a privately run intelligence network with no oversight or rules but lots of personally identifiable information to track people whom the state isn't even legally interested in, in order to sieze their assets and then keep a piece of those assets and form a major portion of the business's profit stream? JFC WTF ?!?!
Just 4 weeks ago Israel bombed kids on a beach. Everyday I see multiple posts on facebook how good christians should support killing all the muslims. You hide your bigotry behind a dislike for all religions in order to bash Islam, but its still bigotry.
At the end of the day the reality is most people on all sides are decent folks, and its only the worthless extremist scum, of which you are a part, that we need fear.
and maybe the music is what gave them that dedication by giving them something to excite them, a goal to work towards. my wife is a music teacher. she sees it quite regularly when a kid who was otherwise disinterested in learning, disruptive, etc, finds that passion in music. and once learned, applies it to the rest of his education.
dedication isnt an inherent quality that can be screened for so that only those who pass the test at birth can routed to a college track, and the rest routed to wage slavery. its something that is learned, and the potential exists for any child to discover it in any class, and its one of the msot fundamentally rewarding parts of being a teacher.
School and education isn't a vocational program and shouldn't be approached as one. It's about learning to appreciate knowledge, learning to learn, etc. If you can give kids that wonder and appreciation, they will carry with them into their adulthood. Not everyone will appreciate math, or art, but maybe something else will catch their eye. But they'll never know if they arent exposed to it, if their boundaries arent pushed.
The vocations will come on their own for most folks as a side benefit, without reducing education policy into "school gets jobs". For any actual vocational knowledge that much come now to get a job, theres always vocational school. But that doesnt mean all schooling must be vocational in nature.
So many of our nation's problems stem from that very basic dumbing down of how we approach school. People dont like learning, and so they dont do it. They learn just enough to stick with their current job, then watch foozball and drink beer to numb any dissatisfaction at a dronelike existence as they wither away as another infinitely replaceable cog in the machine that makes someone billions he'll never spend.
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international waters are international waters.
if we dont treat them as such, then they arent really international waters.
yes and no. the effects would not necesarily be the same, as a big part of the problem is the rate of increase.
the climate has changed over the past. many times it was tremendously slow process, taking place over millions of years, which is the same timescale at which evolution and adaptation work, so it worked out.
but then you get things like the precambrian extinction event. likewise this was a global warming event. it took place over tens of thousands of years. and that was still too fast for 98% of life to adapt. it tooks millions of years for life to rebound from that event.
we're doing it in 300 years.
then you havent looked very hard.
this study has been done many times over.
volcanoes emit ~3 billion tons of CO2 globally, yearly.
human emissions on the other hand are >40 billion tons, globally, annually.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad...
No. No there is not.
The fact you would even say so shows tremendous ignorance and short sightedness.
Your statement is akin to saying "the replacement of horses with cars will lead to tremendous economic harm".
Firstly, just researching something cannot lead to any economic harm. So you must obviously be refering not to research, but to the actual abandonment of fossil fuels. But that leads to number two which is: you are assuming absolutely no new technologies or markets will emerge to replace fossil fuels. News flash: they're already here.
You haven't reviewed the data, you can't, its not public, so stop acting like you know any better than I do what the truth is.
All of the data. ALL OF IT. Is public. You are an idiot.
http://www.noaa.gov/climate.ht...
http://www.skepticalscience.co...
Or even just google of wikipedia for it. It's all out there.
the deniers are saying "its not happening" when every piece of evidence in the world (literally, the world) says "yes it is".
in scientific debate, there are many places to have disagreement and debate.
but reality itself isnt one of them.
Oh please.
Millions is admittedly and obviously an expression.
And the point still stands: to deny the existence of oil and gas subsidies, to deny their massive lobbying power, to promote the myth of the rich scientist, is to deny reality.
the myth of the rich scientist pushing it for his own personal gain is just that: MYTH. much like the supposed "vaccine" or "cancer" conspiracies: the idea that thousands of scientists or doctors or researchers are all complicit in a global conspiracy, with not one person of integrity among them (keeping in mind that science doesnt function without integrity), not one whistleblower in the lot is simply farsical on its face.
and the further idea, that their "stakes" are somehow in any way comparable to that of the oil and gas industries, is just laughable.
From 1950 to 2010 toil, natural gas, and coal received $600 billion in subsidies, or 10 billion annually. From the US alone.
The EU. being similar in size and makeup to the US, is probably similar. Then factor in the other big producers in Russia and hte Middle East and South America...
http://www.misi-net.com/public...
Their profits for last, excluding some Chinese companies as they dont have same reporting requirements, exceeded 270 billion.
And here's their *reported* lobbying ammounts: https://www.opensecrets.org/lo...
So stuff you "credibility" attack.
Your quote is reference the Annual Average...which it is set to do, and shows absolutely NO SIGNS of not crossing that milestone.
Your post is one born of ignorance and an attempt to spread confusion.
Technically it was passed by in 2013...several times. But the monthly averages still came out slightly below 400ppm. April 2014 however was the first time the Monthly Average PPM level crossed 400ppm. And it's been theres since.
In fact I really dont see the point of your post. The trendline is quite clear, and is continually up. It has yet to FAIL to increase.
It couldnt be more irrelegent of ignorant if you had said "oh good, they have a testable predictiona bout gravity. but will they still claim gravity is real if hte apple fails to fall to the ground?"
http://www.climatecentral.org/...
http://www.climatecentral.org/...
https://www.climate.gov/news-f...
http://www.scientificamerican....
your post shows you have zero familiarity with how the research funding process actually works.
for starters: they dont get to pocket the grant money as income.
their livelihood is in no way dependent on research funding.
and it has nothing to do with power. you reflect the typical Civics 101 fail of more tea baggers who dont even understand what a government is.
we could end GW today, just by stopping all fossil fuel use. we have the tech today right to do it, be it nuclear or solar or wind. we oculd do it. its just a matter of political will, or the lack thereof (fueled by massive lobbying dollars from the fossil fuel industry). the monies the FFI spends on this makes the little that GW researchers recieve look a pittance. so dont come in here with that same tired trope of the rich scientist. its manure. nothing but.
No, those warm periods we not warmer. Nor were they global in nature.
And news flash: the little ice age was also eurocentric (ie not global), and it ended hundreds of years ago.
oblig XKCD: http://www.xkcd.com/1321/
This the change you're referring to. It is explained quite well, and the total change in the data is onl\y 0.2%.
As in, basically nothing. Not that that has stopped deniers from saying 'NOAA IS PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!!"
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/G...
I'm going to wager that you didnt watch Cosmos did you? He presented probably the simplest most accessbile explanation posssible.
Here's a good link to the clip: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nei...
That or you still dont understand the concept of averages.
It's not that "climate != weather"
It's that climate = sum(weather) / (time*area)
IE, climate is the average of weather over time or a region or both.
hurricane, tornado, drought, and heat wave to global warming?
Do those thing represent one day of local weather, or large events on large scales that last a long time?
I'll break it down for you again, and ignore your attempt to put words in my mouth, and then tell me how I'm wrong.
-Weather is what's ouside your window. It's what's happening right now. In a very small time scale, in a very small regional-scale. Local, short term observations.
-Climate is a whole bunch of those local observations strung together. It's a very large time scale, on a very large regional-scale.
Hurricanes are a climatological event that produce extreme weather (wind, rain). They are spawned by climatological factors, but grow and self-reinforce on a large scale and themselves grow to affect climate (in a way they give vent to rather large pent up energies). Tornadoes are a weather event, but the supercells that form them are themselves driven by climate trends. A heat wave is a string of related weather events. It may be localized or cover a large area, but being a string of related weather events again points more to the climate side of the scale. Droughts again: large scale, long term, climate.
In the case of AGW those scales are a) global, and b) range from a couple centuries, to several My depending on which line of evidence you're looking at.
It was unusually cold in New England this winter. That's weather. But overall, this winter was still one of the 5 warmest on record. That's climate.
All these things are interwoven together. Ocean currents, the jet stream, warm/cold water layer mixing, warm/cold air mixing, humidity, water/air temperature gradients...all these things combine and interact to create the global climate which you see on a daily basic as weather. If an ocean current shifts it can reduce cloud formation lowering the water content of an air mass and increasing the radiative heating of the land surface immediately inland. these combined factors can lead to a lack of rainfall and/or increase in temperates. IE, drought and/or heat wave. In Cali's case, the Sierra range normally causes some preciptation as the air mass moves eastward, trapping it as snowpack, which then feeds water over the year into the arid region we know as the Central Valley. its what allows an arid region to also be good farmland inspite of its aridity. this year, there wasnt even enough moisture in the air for the mountains to squeeze any out.
The polar vortex happened because something pushed the normal wind pattern out of shape. it allowed a large mass of unusually cool air to penetrate south a long ways. The reverse also happened: a large mass of warm moist air pushed much north than normal, leading to increased temperatures in the North Pacific and Alaska, and parts of western Canada. Some climatalogical event altered the normal roughly stable route of the vortex. The vortex itself then affects large scale climate effects and drives local extreme weather.
See, the mistake here that denier consistently make is in thinking that this is a basic input output machine. It's not. It's a web of interconnected loops. Every output is the input to another stage in the machine, and every stage of the machine is linked to every other stage. Everything is in a feedback loop to something else.
you do realize what the hiatus refers to right?
even if the hiatus as denierzs understand it were true (it's not, but just say for the moment)...it still supports the theory of global warming and does nothing to disprove it.
then consider that deniers completely misundersdtand and mischaracterize what the hiatus even is, and their position becomes even more unteneble.
because.....why?
what exactly do they get out of doing such a thing?
There are millions of scientists involved in this worldwide.
What do they get out of it? Public funding? Research grants? Cause Lord knows we just lavish scientists with tons of public money in this country.....no wait, thats the exact opposite of what we do. and further, they dont get to pocket what little money they do get. that's illegal.
the ONLY climate "scientists" who get rich from their research and live high on the hog are those in the employ of the fossil fuel industries.
Speaking of motivations...lets look at the fossil fuel industries. unlike those "lying AGW scientists", they actually do recieve tons of money from the government. hundreds of billions a year. and they make even more in profits selling their product. and they spend billions in lobbying every year.
so yes, let's talk motivations and stakes you AC idiot.
the phrase "global million scientist conspiracy exposed by plucky group of oil billionaires" is not reflective of reality.
rather reality illustrates just how mentally deficient your post is.
it was cold. once. where i live.
therefore prolonged global warming is a myth.
because we all know anecdotal local data completely disproves long term multidecade global averages and trends.
(my kingdom for an edit button)
Thats why you people need to stop thinking of government as some mysterious other disconnected from you, and get involved in it. By the people, of the people, for the people, all the jazz. its an ideal thats hard to attain and maintain, and i hold no illusions that our government is meeting said ideal, but that doesnt mean the solution is to scrap it. Vote. Get involved. Help stop corporations* and rich folks from owning too much much of it, from enjoying disproportionate representation. One person, one vote. None of this "well i have more money, so my voice gets to be louder" crap. Our country is and has been more of an oligarchy than a democracy for some time. The solution to that problem isnt to throw out your best tool against it.
*BTW, corporations aren't evil.
They're worse.
They're amoral. Evil is predictable. Amorality is not, especially since hte source of their amorality is the pursuit of money, and people can get very creative when it comes to making money. You have a lot of faith in corporations. I dont. Companies have flouted and ignored food safety laws because they calculated they could afford to get away with so much and increase their profits by X amount....food safety laws created specifically because companies were poisoning people because they calculated just how much they could get away with.
Same withClean Air, CLean water acts, and the EPA that you folks love to deride. There's a reason we have them: Cause companies didn't give a shit. The way China looks now, with all that smog and pollution? That's what american cities used to be like. We had waterways that were so polluted they actually caught fire.
Water. On fire. at the time of the CWA's passage 3/4 of the surface waters of our nation were unfit and unsafe to use. Today you wouldnt know it, the cleanup effort has been so successful.
Corporations have not, do not, and will not ever operate with the public's interest foremost in their minds.
The only entity that does that is THE PUBLIC. And the way The Public expresses its collective will is through Government.
Failing that, it's through guns and revolution, which isn't very pleasant for anyone, as it tends to be very short lasting and unstable and devolve into a vicious circle of re-revolution.
I do believe I said civil forfeiture needs to go away. So yes, further insult on top of that is of course even more infuriating.
What do you mean make no seizures and arrests? It's not only in the source article, but in the local news as well (I happen to live there). They aren't just training cops. They are literally acting as cops on their own. They run their own patrols. They make their own stops and detentions on the highway. You're goddamned right thats the most shocking bit. They're now facing charges and lawsuits related to "impersonating police", and the ADA who was involved is likewise facing some severe penalties. And its starting ot look like some of the other surrounding counties got involved too.
Much like the For Profit Prison model, their interests are completely polar opposite to that of the Police. The interests of Police at least (ideally) are aligned with the Public's: ie, the enforcement of law. This naturally leads to a desire to decrease criminality. But a corporation's interests lie in making money. And how does a For Profit Police/Prison company make more money? By finding more criminals, and increasing criminality.
Whatever. There's no sense in even talking to you "ALL GOVERNMENT IS EVIL" types. Government isnt always the solution but its not always the enemy either. Against corporations, how else do you deal with a bad actor? Individually? No that doesnt work, you're too small individually. Some sort of collective action right? A bunch of individuals acting in concert? Congratulations: that's what Government is.
Cops doing their job.
Fine.
Cops using an intelligence network to make job easier.
Also fine.
Cops using a privately run intelligence network with no oversight or rules but lots of personally identifiable information to track people whom the state isn't even legally interested in?
Not cool, but correctable. Oversight is important, as is proper rules and regs for things stored in a database and its usage, even for people the state is interested in. Adding people the state isnt legally interested in...is upsetting but not terribly surprising. This is a correctable situation.
Cops using a privately run intelligence network with no oversight or rules but lots of personally identifiable information to track people whom the state isn't even legally interested in, in order to sieze their assets and then keep a piece of those assets?
Seriously messed up. Some people need fired. And we've long known civil forfeiture is ripe for abuse and needs to go away. More politically difficult, but still correctable. We must hold our public servants accountable.
Private business performing the duties of cops using a privately run intelligence network with no oversight or rules but lots of personally identifiable information to track people whom the state isn't even legally interested in, in order to sieze their assets and then keep a piece of those assets and form a major portion of the business's profit stream?
JFC WTF ?!?!
ya...calling out a bigot is really flamebait. stupid mods.
Just 4 weeks ago Israel bombed kids on a beach.
Everyday I see multiple posts on facebook how good christians should support killing all the muslims.
You hide your bigotry behind a dislike for all religions in order to bash Islam, but its still bigotry.
At the end of the day the reality is most people on all sides are decent folks, and its only the worthless extremist scum, of which you are a part, that we need fear.
The bigots are awake early this morning.
and maybe the music is what gave them that dedication by giving them something to excite them, a goal to work towards.
my wife is a music teacher. she sees it quite regularly when a kid who was otherwise disinterested in learning, disruptive, etc, finds that passion in music. and once learned, applies it to the rest of his education.
dedication isnt an inherent quality that can be screened for so that only those who pass the test at birth can routed to a college track, and the rest routed to wage slavery. its something that is learned, and the potential exists for any child to discover it in any class, and its one of the msot fundamentally rewarding parts of being a teacher.
bingo exactly.
School and education isn't a vocational program and shouldn't be approached as one.
It's about learning to appreciate knowledge, learning to learn, etc.
If you can give kids that wonder and appreciation, they will carry with them into their adulthood.
Not everyone will appreciate math, or art, but maybe something else will catch their eye. But they'll never know if they arent exposed to it, if their boundaries arent pushed.
The vocations will come on their own for most folks as a side benefit, without reducing education policy into "school gets jobs". For any actual vocational knowledge that much come now to get a job, theres always vocational school. But that doesnt mean all schooling must be vocational in nature.
So many of our nation's problems stem from that very basic dumbing down of how we approach school. People dont like learning, and so they dont do it. They learn just enough to stick with their current job, then watch foozball and drink beer to numb any dissatisfaction at a dronelike existence as they wither away as another infinitely replaceable cog in the machine that makes someone billions he'll never spend.
I knew it I knew it I knew it!