Exactly. And then these libertarian idiots try to tell us that Europe is a socialist hellhole, and America is better.......where you have to plan on sleeping in your car to get started in a new place, when youre young and single. and if you aren't, you can forget it.
maybe if youre single. not if youre married and have kids. year round day care costs average about 14k per year until you can get them in school. even once they are in school, you still have to deal with summer vacation, so daycare costs haven't gone away entirely (unless you do like I did, and marry a teacher whose work schedule matches your kids)
saying he should just get training is very vague and open ended too. its easy to make an absolutist statement like that when you keep it so vague. but getting into the persons actual reality, the nitty gritty of his situation might show you why that's not actually possible for him, or a great many people.
and as for "life"....past a certain point, yeah you pretty much are going to be doing it for life. agism is real, and not entirely unfounded, especially in the lower income working class type jobs. unless the company is new and rapidly growing, they cant afford to move everyone into the office as they get older. there has to be a winnowing of people as they move up the chain. cant bump every private up to sergeant major. and as you age you cant lift as much, you cant move as fast, plus the toll those jobs take on your body even without age as a factor. retraining gets exponentially harder the older you get, and you cost your company more in terms of medical/insurance costs, days off for doctor visits, etc, too.
yes, theres lot of cheap ass houses around the country. that doesn't mean there's jobs there for you.
you seriously show a real disconnect from the reality many people face, and think because you made it, anyone can. but reality is that everyones situation is different. we all face different challenges, and not all are overcome so easily as just saying "just move and retrain".
the people walking out of Syria are already facing the almost certainty of death, violence, or starvation. they do it because they have no hope otherwise.
its a desperation play that cannot be compared to the difficulty of chasing economic mobility in the US if you live below a certain income level. to make the comparison is rank foolishness.
You don't. we can pick out examples ot stupid mistakes all day long.
But the counterargument to the idea that you benefit from the military is NOT the idea that we should spend less on the military. That's a wholly separate discussion.
Congratulations. You managed to say something even dumber than the notion that the ISS or the Space Shuttle were wastes of money.
Also, no, most major airports are not privately owned, they are either owned by the city/state, or a public/private partnership between the city/state and the airlines (or FedEx/UPS) wishing to operate there. small general aviation airports are another story, but even then they are more often owned by the county/city than privately.
And also no, security was not usually privatized, but was provided by local law enforcement, whether it be the local sheriff's department, local PD, or state troopers.
I sincerely hope you are not saying the Space Shuttle and ISS never resulted in anything of value.
And a big reason why things do end up being done by government is because other methods already failed to do so. History, much as libertarians like to ignore it, is full of such examples.
personally I'd rather get a refund than have to pay, simply because a refund has no impact on a monthly budget. whereas a payment means having to find money not already in my budget, usually by raiding the bit of money we set aside for things like movies and games.
libertarians don't believe in those things. they are the epitome of the "freedumb" loving conservative:
Joe Conservative wakes up in the morning and goes to the bathroom. He flushes his toilet and brushes his teeth, mindful that each flush & brush costs him about 43 cents to his privatized water provider. His wacky, liberal neighbor keeps badgering the company to disclose how clean and safe their water is, but no one ever finds out. Just to be safe, Joe Conservative boils his drinking water.
Joe steps outside and coughs–the pollution is especially bad today, but the smokiest cars are the cheapest ones, so everyone buys ‘em. Joe Conservative checks to make sure he has enough toll money for the 3 different private roads he must drive to work. There is no public transportation, so traffic is backed up and his 10 mile commute takes an hour.
On the way, he drops his 12 year old daughter off at the clothing factory she works at. Paying for kids to go to private school until they’re 18 is a luxury, and Joe needs the extra income coming in. Times are hard and there’re no social safety nets.
He gets to work 5 minutes late and misses the call for Christian prayer, and is immediately docked by his employer. He is not feeling well today, but has no health insurance, since neither his employer nor his government provide it, and paying for it himself is really expensive, since he has a precondition. He just hopes for the best.
Joe’s workday is 12 hours long, because there is no regulation over working hours, and Joe will lose his job if he complains or unionizes. Today is an especially bad day. Joe’s manager demands that he work until midnight, a 16 hour day. Joe does, knowing that he’ll lose his job if he does not.
Finally, after midnight, Joe gets to pick up his daughter and go home. His daughter shows him the deep cut she got on the industrial sewing machine today. Joe is outraged and asks why she doesn’t have metal mesh gloves or other protection. She says the company will not provide it and she’ll have to pay for it out of her own pocket. Joe looks at the wound and decides they’ll use an over the counter disinfectant and bandages until it heals. She’ll have a scar, but getting stitches at the emergency room is expensive.
His daughter also complains that the manager made suggestive overtures towards her. Joe counsels her to be a “good girl” and not rock the boat, or she’ll get fired and they’ll be out the income.
His daughter says she can’t wait until she’s 18 so she can vote for change or go to the Iraq War.
They get home and there’s a message from his elderly father who can’t afford to pay his medical or heating bills. Joe can hear him coughing and shivering.
Joe turns on the radio and the top story is a proposal in Congress to raise the voting age to 25. A rare liberal opinionator states that it’s an attempt to keep power out of the hands of working class Americans. The conservative host immediately quashes him, calling him “a utopian idealist,” and agreeing that people aren’t mature enough to make good choices until they’re at least 25.
Joe chuckles at the wine-swilling, cheese eating liberal egghead and thinks, “Thank God I live in America where I have freedom!”
there are more than a handful biologically immortal living things, where death, when it comes, almost always comes from an outside source unrelated to the passage of time.
several species of hydras, jellyfish, lobsters, planarian flatworms, several variety of turtle and tortoise, and certain bacteria, all do not age as we know it. upon examination they show little or no decrease in bodily function, organs indistinguishable from much younger individuals, like we associate with most other species as they get older.
and that's not even getting into the plant world where we have things like giant redwoods, quaking aspen, and bristlecone pines, all living for thousands and possibly tens of thousands of years if given the opportunity.
other than a bunch of unexplainable observations that indicate there is far more mass in the universe than we are able to see. some sort of matter that is difficult to see. as if it were "dark" or something. i wonder what could we call such a thing while we set about trying to figure out what made us say "gee, that's odd" in the first place?
i don't think the left bungled it at all. trumps faults are many and were pointed out constantly.
his base simply does not care/.
during the campaign they were all "he tells it like it is" and "he's honest", despite all evidence to the contrary.
now that he won they're saying "well you shouldn't believe everything he said" and "don't take him so literally". hell, even trump is on video now during his thank you tour, admitting in a speech, to the people who voted for him that it was all BS said to get elected, including the "blow it all up", "lock her up" and "drain the swamp" mantras.
and his supporters are now saying stuff like "well of course he's hiring goldman sachs, and other swamp creatures. you kinda need people with experience in that world". a: again, despite evidence to the contrary for several of them, and b: they specifically voted against the person who was all about bringing experience and to the table.
the left didn't bungle anything, other than by making adult appeals to children.
first youre assuming it was the same people voting both times. second, youre ignoring the slew of disenfranchisement in those republican held states.
third, no the birther movement was a racially motivated group that used a blatantly false claim to attempt to delegitimize the incoming black president. that movement bears no comparison to the twin factual statements that the guy with fewer votes "won" the election, and did so by playing white identity politics.
all the county breakdown does is magnify the problems of the electoral college by counting even more arbitrary lines on a map, instead of people.
that way, instead of one WY voter having equal weight as 3 CA voters, you can have one voter from Bumphuk County Alaska, having the same impact as 5 million voters from LA County CA, further diluting those damn non-republican voters.
which is why the GOP loves it, and their proposal for EC reform involves switching from state level, to county (or congressional district) level.
compared with democrats simply wanting to use the basic democratic model used by every other democracy of one person, one vote, and in order to win, you gotta appeal to each individual person, rather than a handful of under populated states that have disproportionate representation (in violation of the 14th amendment)
and no, the founders weren't universally smart. the EC is a prime example of one of their big mistakes, being amended 3 (4?) times in quick succession, and the whole thing being obsoleted and its entire purpose undercut the moment political parties came into existence.
Repetitive, vague, and sometimes openly bigoted statements and goals lacking any actual policy content of how to actually accomplish it, and a bunch of blatant BS about Obama/Clinton.
Goals....that actually include how she would have attempted to achieve those goals.
It's one thing to say "I'm going to be an astronaut, I want to be an astronaut, I will be an astronaut." It's completely another to say "I'm going to be an astronaut, and to do that I'm going to go to attend MIT, work for NASA, and submit a proposal for a Mars habitat, which I then volunteer for."
and you somehow managed to confuse which one was concrete proposal, and which was bluster. and you also managed to repeat some of the same BS trump did, and discount his well documented racist behavior.
adults...if they only had a third grade education. which apparently you do, because none of what you said is true. you completely reversed the reality of the campaign.
the only thing you got right was your last line, which is more accurately stated as "people are tired of hiding their bigotry".
And they got elected by people who don't know or don't care that they are voting to make themselves worse off by voting for a party that opposes the same programs that prop up a disproportionate number of republicans.
Whereas Obama would never have signed Paul Ryan's wet dream of eliminating the progress of the 20th century (ie, all the stuff that actually makes this a great place to live, or at least a better palce than without it)......Trump literally doesn't care, and will sign whatever you put in front of him as long as you stoke his...ego.
Yes, lets just ignore that each of his attempts were quashed by agribusiness's lackeys in the GOP controlled House. the same lackeys who now face a willing rubber stamp puppet in the oval office.
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you are not describing a poor person or working class individual but someone in the top 10% of earners or close to it.
Exactly. ...where you have to plan on sleeping in your car to get started in a new place, when youre young and single.
And then these libertarian idiots try to tell us that Europe is a socialist hellhole, and America is better....
and if you aren't, you can forget it.
maybe if youre single.
not if youre married and have kids.
year round day care costs average about 14k per year until you can get them in school.
even once they are in school, you still have to deal with summer vacation, so daycare costs haven't gone away entirely (unless you do like I did, and marry a teacher whose work schedule matches your kids)
saying he should just get training is very vague and open ended too. its easy to make an absolutist statement like that when you keep it so vague.
but getting into the persons actual reality, the nitty gritty of his situation might show you why that's not actually possible for him, or a great many people.
and as for "life"....past a certain point, yeah you pretty much are going to be doing it for life. agism is real, and not entirely unfounded, especially in the lower income working class type jobs. unless the company is new and rapidly growing, they cant afford to move everyone into the office as they get older. there has to be a winnowing of people as they move up the chain. cant bump every private up to sergeant major. and as you age you cant lift as much, you cant move as fast, plus the toll those jobs take on your body even without age as a factor. retraining gets exponentially harder the older you get, and you cost your company more in terms of medical/insurance costs, days off for doctor visits, etc, too.
yes, theres lot of cheap ass houses around the country.
that doesn't mean there's jobs there for you.
you seriously show a real disconnect from the reality many people face, and think because you made it, anyone can.
but reality is that everyones situation is different.
we all face different challenges, and not all are overcome so easily as just saying "just move and retrain".
the people walking out of Syria are already facing the almost certainty of death, violence, or starvation.
they do it because they have no hope otherwise.
its a desperation play that cannot be compared to the difficulty of chasing economic mobility in the US if you live below a certain income level.
to make the comparison is rank foolishness.
You don't. we can pick out examples ot stupid mistakes all day long.
But the counterargument to the idea that you benefit from the military is NOT the idea that we should spend less on the military.
That's a wholly separate discussion.
Much of the judicial system could be privatized.
Congratulations.
You managed to say something even dumber than the notion that the ISS or the Space Shuttle were wastes of money.
Also, no, most major airports are not privately owned, they are either owned by the city/state, or a public/private partnership between the city/state and the airlines (or FedEx/UPS) wishing to operate there. small general aviation airports are another story, but even then they are more often owned by the county/city than privately.
And also no, security was not usually privatized, but was provided by local law enforcement, whether it be the local sheriff's department, local PD, or state troopers.
I sincerely hope you are not saying the Space Shuttle and ISS never resulted in anything of value.
And a big reason why things do end up being done by government is because other methods already failed to do so.
History, much as libertarians like to ignore it, is full of such examples.
personally I'd rather get a refund than have to pay, simply because a refund has no impact on a monthly budget.
whereas a payment means having to find money not already in my budget, usually by raiding the bit of money we set aside for things like movies and games.
libertarians don't believe in those things.
they are the epitome of the "freedumb" loving conservative:
Joe Conservative wakes up in the morning and goes to the bathroom. He flushes his toilet and brushes his teeth, mindful that each flush & brush costs him about 43 cents to his privatized water provider. His wacky, liberal neighbor keeps badgering the company to disclose how clean and safe their water is, but no one ever finds out. Just to be safe, Joe Conservative boils his drinking water.
Joe steps outside and coughs–the pollution is especially bad today, but the smokiest cars are the cheapest ones, so everyone buys ‘em. Joe Conservative checks to make sure he has enough toll money for the 3 different private roads he must drive to work. There is no public transportation, so traffic is backed up and his 10 mile commute takes an hour.
On the way, he drops his 12 year old daughter off at the clothing factory she works at. Paying for kids to go to private school until they’re 18 is a luxury, and Joe needs the extra income coming in. Times are hard and there’re no social safety nets.
He gets to work 5 minutes late and misses the call for Christian prayer, and is immediately docked by his employer. He is not feeling well today, but has no health insurance, since neither his employer nor his government provide it, and paying for it himself is really expensive, since he has a precondition. He just hopes for the best.
Joe’s workday is 12 hours long, because there is no regulation over working hours, and Joe will lose his job if he complains or unionizes. Today is an especially bad day. Joe’s manager demands that he work until midnight, a 16 hour day. Joe does, knowing that he’ll lose his job if he does not.
Finally, after midnight, Joe gets to pick up his daughter and go home. His daughter shows him the deep cut she got on the industrial sewing machine today. Joe is outraged and asks why she doesn’t have metal mesh gloves or other protection. She says the company will not provide it and she’ll have to pay for it out of her own pocket. Joe looks at the wound and decides they’ll use an over the counter disinfectant and bandages until it heals. She’ll have a scar, but getting stitches at the emergency room is expensive.
His daughter also complains that the manager made suggestive overtures towards her. Joe counsels her to be a “good girl” and not rock the boat, or she’ll get fired and they’ll be out the income.
His daughter says she can’t wait until she’s 18 so she can vote for change or go to the Iraq War.
They get home and there’s a message from his elderly father who can’t afford to pay his medical or heating bills. Joe can hear him coughing and shivering.
Joe turns on the radio and the top story is a proposal in Congress to raise the voting age to 25. A rare liberal opinionator states that it’s an attempt to keep power out of the hands of working class Americans. The conservative host immediately quashes him, calling him “a utopian idealist,” and agreeing that people aren’t mature enough to make good choices until they’re at least 25.
Joe chuckles at the wine-swilling, cheese eating liberal egghead and thinks, “Thank God I live in America where I have freedom!”
there are more than a handful biologically immortal living things, where death, when it comes, almost always comes from an outside source unrelated to the passage of time.
several species of hydras, jellyfish, lobsters, planarian flatworms, several variety of turtle and tortoise, and certain bacteria, all do not age as we know it. upon examination they show little or no decrease in bodily function, organs indistinguishable from much younger individuals, like we associate with most other species as they get older.
and that's not even getting into the plant world where we have things like giant redwoods, quaking aspen, and bristlecone pines, all living for thousands and possibly tens of thousands of years if given the opportunity.
So you're saying she's the real life Norma Cenva?
other than a bunch of unexplainable observations that indicate there is far more mass in the universe than we are able to see.
some sort of matter that is difficult to see.
as if it were "dark" or something.
i wonder what could we call such a thing while we set about trying to figure out what made us say "gee, that's odd" in the first place?
i don't think the left bungled it at all.
trumps faults are many and were pointed out constantly.
his base simply does not care /.
during the campaign they were all "he tells it like it is" and "he's honest", despite all evidence to the contrary.
now that he won they're saying "well you shouldn't believe everything he said" and "don't take him so literally".
hell, even trump is on video now during his thank you tour, admitting in a speech, to the people who voted for him that it was all BS said to get elected, including the "blow it all up", "lock her up" and "drain the swamp" mantras.
and his supporters are now saying stuff like "well of course he's hiring goldman sachs, and other swamp creatures. you kinda need people with experience in that world". a: again, despite evidence to the contrary for several of them, and b: they specifically voted against the person who was all about bringing experience and to the table.
the left didn't bungle anything, other than by making adult appeals to children.
first youre assuming it was the same people voting both times.
second, youre ignoring the slew of disenfranchisement in those republican held states.
third, no the birther movement was a racially motivated group that used a blatantly false claim to attempt to delegitimize the incoming black president. that movement bears no comparison to the twin factual statements that the guy with fewer votes "won" the election, and did so by playing white identity politics.
all the county breakdown does is magnify the problems of the electoral college by counting even more arbitrary lines on a map, instead of people.
that way, instead of one WY voter having equal weight as 3 CA voters, you can have one voter from Bumphuk County Alaska, having the same impact as 5 million voters from LA County CA, further diluting those damn non-republican voters.
which is why the GOP loves it, and their proposal for EC reform involves switching from state level, to county (or congressional district) level.
compared with democrats simply wanting to use the basic democratic model used by every other democracy of one person, one vote, and in order to win, you gotta appeal to each individual person, rather than a handful of under populated states that have disproportionate representation (in violation of the 14th amendment)
and no, the founders weren't universally smart. the EC is a prime example of one of their big mistakes, being amended 3 (4?) times in quick succession, and the whole thing being obsoleted and its entire purpose undercut the moment political parties came into existence.
(paraphrased) trump had detailed policy propels, and hllary didn't
i did read them, and the conclusion is that youre completely detached from reality and have no f'ing clue what youre speaking of.
trump on immigration:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/p...
Repetitive, vague, and sometimes openly bigoted statements and goals lacking any actual policy content of how to actually accomplish it , and a bunch of blatant BS about Obama/Clinton.
Hillary on immigration:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com...
Goals....that actually include how she would have attempted to achieve those goals.
It's one thing to say "I'm going to be an astronaut, I want to be an astronaut, I will be an astronaut."
It's completely another to say "I'm going to be an astronaut, and to do that I'm going to go to attend MIT, work for NASA, and submit a proposal for a Mars habitat, which I then volunteer for."
and you somehow managed to confuse which one was concrete proposal, and which was bluster.
and you also managed to repeat some of the same BS trump did, and discount his well documented racist behavior.
adults...if they only had a third grade education.
which apparently you do, because none of what you said is true.
you completely reversed the reality of the campaign.
the only thing you got right was your last line, which is more accurately stated as "people are tired of hiding their bigotry".
no one ever said the us or England have a monopoly on shortsighted stupid people who will cut off their nose to spite their face.
case in point: you.
Remind what checks and balances those are?
Cause the GOP controls both houses.
And they got elected by people who don't know or don't care that they are voting to make themselves worse off by voting for a party that opposes the same programs that prop up a disproportionate number of republicans.
Whereas Obama would never have signed Paul Ryan's wet dream of eliminating the progress of the 20th century (ie, all the stuff that actually makes this a great place to live, or at least a better palce than without it)... ...Trump literally doesn't care, and will sign whatever you put in front of him as long as you stoke his ...ego.
Yes, lets just ignore that each of his attempts were quashed by agribusiness's lackeys in the GOP controlled House.
the same lackeys who now face a willing rubber stamp puppet in the oval office.
Saying Die Hard sucks is bad enough and easily qualifies for automatic trolling label.
but saying it of Seinfeld or TNG is planetary deportation worthy levels of trolling.
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the same misinformation, time after time.
one can only conclude that you are paid to repeat it.
oh god not this bs again.
I see all the usual suspects are out in force and sock puppeting up their myths.