Now it's all the way down to -2 I gues people are getting pissed. I had to modify my URL manualy in order to see it, my threshold is now -9.... "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
~25% of the market share, that is more than ALL distrubation have in the United States, right?
acutaly, I dobut that, although I don't really know. I mean how many people go out and buy an MS-OS? most of the people I know who build new systems just copy it, and it comes free with a new computer (as far as *retail* sales of OSs are consurned, these sales don't count)
and with sites like cheapbytes.com, I'm willing to bet there are a lot of linux sales in the us "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Japan is not anymore a "haven" for software piracy then the US is (althoug, in my exsperance that's not saying much....). however China, Koria Maylasia, are very deep into piracy. In any of the "poorer" asian contrys, this is a problem. Japan is not a poor contry by any means "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
I have a question, why does the table only add up to 78.66%? what's the other 21.34%? Product Marketshare ------- ----------- TurboLinux J 4.0 24.09% MS Windows 98 Upgrade 13.25% MAC OS 8.5 J 10.23% MS Windows 98 9.15% Virtual PC 2.1 (PCDOS) 6.84% MS Windows 98 Academic 3.87% MS Windows 98 Academic Upgrade 3.63% RedHat J 5.2 2.64% Vine Linux 1.0 J 2.03% Virtual PC 2.1 (Win) 1.93%
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It's posible your logic is flawed, I mean we really don't know all the facts from this press reliase. It could be a similar situation to the US in the 1980s (I belive) when most of the people who owned computers used DOS and were happy with it, and knew what they were doing. but most of the people in general didn't own computers at all.
but it could also be that more people in general, (or at least %24) *are* techies. I mean japanese culture, as far as I know stresses learning and engenering. Maybe there are just more geeks in japan. we can't really know from this PR, we woudl need a lot more numbers to find out.
Actualy if you look at the numbers in this peice, I belive it only shows *sales* not *total* share, I don't see how somthing just reliased could grab almost a quarter of the market like that... and most win* OS's come with boxes, are those taken into acount? "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
how does a command line interface work with japanese or chinese characters? do they just use "english" commands (I mean, bash, dir, ls arn't *realy* english).
I get how they can display character text, I've got my computer rigged up to show chinese and japanes web pages, but *how* do they get them into the computer? it can't be all hand writing, can it? well, anyway. this is somthing I've always wanted to know. thanks "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
I don't know the exact number, but there are over 40,000 commonly used characters.
anyway, there are several free letters in english, they could use tcc, since a lot of there stuff starts with 't' for 'turbo' all of there windows encapsulaton classes back with borland C++ 4 were 't' somthing "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
um, you did you know you can get rid of all that crome, right? all of those toolbars can be removed, and the individual buttons can be put wherever you want. so you can make one toolbar just for yourself.
I've removed everything but the menubar (and I put 3 buttons on it, fullscreen, save all, and the button that shows/hides the output screen).
but I can understand why you wouldn't know that, it's so hard *right click in the work space* and all.
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You have a choice of weather or not you want to run an Active X control in each case, it dosn't happen automaticaly _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Your slashdot password is stored in a Cookie, you want' so you don't need to remember it if you don't want.
a simpler solution would be to use somthing like g%4d3*af for everything, I ususly use the same password, anyway, you don't need to remember your/. password if you don't want to, and customizaion is cool to. I encourage you to get an acount _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
did you know that there entire millitary budget is less than the *increase* in the US's budget? (While clintion is "cutting" funding, he's probably just "decreasing the increase")
I don't know if the US could win a strate war with china at this point, but i don't belive that China is in anyway better then us as far as Sciance/tech
damn, this is *really* offtopic... _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
it wouldn't be hard for them to say "sample" say, one in one thousand keys. Have the client send back the results for one out of every 1000, or 10,000, and check to see it the algorithem was implemented. Or even have it send back every cracked block, and check one in 100. I'm sure there are ways to verify the stuff.
besides why would someone want to write a hacked client and then *not* get an insainly high score? I mean, what would be the point? There are only 3 reasons to hack/crack/h4x0r antention, money, or beacuse you belive your target is moraly wrong. Now I don't see how you would get money for hacking D.net, and I really doubt anyone would be moraly opposed to d.net (the NSA?) and how would slowly and silently cracking away at d.net get you attention? _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
it telnet really a protocol? I thought it was just raw packets directly from the keyboard to the server, and back to the screen. not really much of a protocol, actualy nither is HTTP, have you ever read the spec? its simple enough to run by hand, IE telnet directly into port 80 and type "GET / HTTP/1.0".... _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Actualy not *all* the RFC's are technical I remember reading an wired artical about RFC 2000 + somthing called "30 years of RFCs" or somthing, there is a lot more intresting stuff in those files to, but I don't know many people who feel like diging through all those texts. I've read two myself: IRC and http 1.0 nothing to exsiting _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
first off: I think just about everyone has decided that Amiga's full of shit. Even if they do come up with a system, it's not going to be earth shattering. Just another PowerPC clone running Linux. Ho-hum.
I don't think that many people have decided Amiga's full of shit, some have, other havn't. You also have confused Amiga Inc's Amiga, with Phase 5/QNX's version of the amiga, the Ami Rage (or the A mirage, if you prefer)
Second: Transmeta, if they're NOT full of shit, had better bring something to market to show for the months of secrecy. This industry does not tend to be forgiving and will lose interest in companies that don't have anything to show for their much hyped technology.
Dosnt' full of shit imply that you're lying? how can some one be lying if they arn't saying anything at all? And it's been years of secrecy, not months. no one is hyping transmeta's technology at all (although I do think that they could anounce somthing by now, since there chip's only a few monts away from production, or so it seems. I belive that this current veil of secrecy is just to generate hype for the amiga). How do you know if other companys don't do similar things? you couldn't know, if they were secret. the only reason we know anything about transmeta is beacuse they employ linus torvlads.
what the fuck should transmeta care what other people think of them now? If they put out a good product, people will use it, if they don't, people wont. They don't have to worry about investors, as the company is owned by Paul Allen _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
And how exactly can something run java as fast as native code without breaking the laws of mathmatics?
you mean like one of suns Java Chips, where the native code *was* java? Not that the guy you were replying to wasn't a total crackpot.... _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
As far as I know the Emotion Engine is a graphics+T 'n' L setup chip (trasformation and lighting), like the nVidia NV10. I think that Amiga is going with an ATI rage chip for graphics, so that would rule out the EE, as for the wonderfull 128bit CPU on the Playstation 2, I doubt sony would licens that. they might, but since they put the word 'Transmeta' and have been hinting at an aliance, (plus the Linus Torvlads thing) I think Transmeta is actualy a more likely bet. _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
It seems like Amiga is jumping on just about every band wagon it can. Linux, transmeta, QNX, Enlightenment, etc. It all this for real, or are they just trying to capitalize on the hype of other technologies?
what would be the point of trying to capitlize on all this stuff if they never planned on relasing a product? *just* to screw QSSL? (makers of QNX) _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Transmeta may continue to pump the hype surrounding their nonexistent processor
Yes, look at *all* the hype they've been spewing so far! It's crazy, floding the airwaves,/. why, it's like every other day they issue a press release!
seriously though, look at there Website they havn't said one word. I don't think you can accuse a company of having vaporware when they havn't even said that the yave anything planed. *everything* that we've heard so far has been idle speculation based on a few patents that were filed and there employment of Linus Torvlads.
... claims that it has a product under development, Linux being such a nice guy and all...
heh, you said 'Linux' when you ment 'Linus':) It would be nice if we could fix these post after we submit them, maybe have a "version two" show up or somthing later.... _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
sorry I should have posted this in my last reply, but I didn't read your whole post through. anyway
Why are so many people down on efforts to do something different and new with hardware and software?
so they can make money, it dosn't matter how "cool" your system is. if it doesn't run any good software, no one will buy it. back in the late 70s and throughout the '80's geeks would be willing to buy them with out programs. but today, they already have computers, that they probably love. I would have loved to buy a BeBox, but I already had a computer. It wasn't "the greatest" but it worked, and it was good enough _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
The average PC today is still just an 8 bit intel preocessor stuck on a bus that was obsolete the day it was first used - taken to a higher level of ineffeciency.
What?? there was *never* an 8bit x86 CPU, and the system bus on current PCs use GTL+ (gunning tranciver logic, I think) and represent a completly new system. K7s use the same bus as the Alpha. is that an ineficcent '1970s' bus?
The intel hardware was designed to be cheap and backwards compatable, and it sucseeded. Its really not that bad, and compition between AMD and intel in the past year or so, have *really* lowerd prices for chips (into the Your aperant lack of understaning leads me to belive that you are simply drawing conclusions based on your own *dislike* of intel hardware. After all, if *you* don't like it, it must suck, right? (let me guess, mac user? I wouldn't exspect a hardcore unix hacker to be so incorect...) _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
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Lots of people, i assume, otherwise the companys wouldn't be in exsistance.
some people don't know how easy it really is to build a computer
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Now it's all the way down to -2
I gues people are getting pissed. I had to modify my URL manualy in order to see it, my threshold is now -9....
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~25% of the market share, that is more than ALL distrubation have in the United States, right?
acutaly, I dobut that, although I don't really know. I mean how many people go out and buy an MS-OS? most of the people I know who build new systems just copy it, and it comes free with a new computer (as far as *retail* sales of OSs are consurned, these sales don't count)
and with sites like cheapbytes.com, I'm willing to bet there are a lot of linux sales in the us
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Japan is not anymore a "haven" for software piracy then the US is (althoug, in my exsperance that's not saying much....). however China, Koria Maylasia, are very deep into piracy. In any of the "poorer" asian contrys, this is a problem. Japan is not a poor contry by any means
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I have a question, why does the table only add up to 78.66%? what's the other 21.34%? Product Marketshare
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TurboLinux J 4.0 24.09%
MS Windows 98 Upgrade 13.25%
MAC OS 8.5 J 10.23%
MS Windows 98 9.15%
Virtual PC 2.1 (PCDOS) 6.84%
MS Windows 98 Academic 3.87%
MS Windows 98 Academic Upgrade 3.63%
RedHat J 5.2 2.64%
Vine Linux 1.0 J 2.03%
Virtual PC 2.1 (Win) 1.93%
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nither of those OSs was on the list, and I'd be willing to bet that NT could be the "dark matter" in that list there....
but that wouldn't make it a really intresting PR bit....
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It's posible your logic is flawed, I mean we really don't know all the facts from this press reliase. It could be a similar situation to the US in the 1980s (I belive) when most of the people who owned computers used DOS and were happy with it, and knew what they were doing. but most of the people in general didn't own computers at all.
but it could also be that more people in general, (or at least %24) *are* techies. I mean japanese culture, as far as I know stresses learning and engenering. Maybe there are just more geeks in japan. we can't really know from this PR, we woudl need a lot more numbers to find out.
Actualy if you look at the numbers in this peice, I belive it only shows *sales* not *total* share, I don't see how somthing just reliased could grab almost a quarter of the market like that... and most win* OS's come with boxes, are those taken into acount?
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how does a command line interface work with japanese or chinese characters? do they just use "english" commands (I mean, bash, dir, ls arn't *realy* english).
I get how they can display character text, I've got my computer rigged up to show chinese and japanes web pages, but *how* do they get them into the computer? it can't be all hand writing, can it? well, anyway. this is somthing I've always wanted to know. thanks
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I don't know the exact number, but there are over 40,000 commonly used characters.
anyway, there are several free letters in english, they could use tcc, since a lot of there stuff starts with 't' for 'turbo' all of there windows encapsulaton classes back with borland C++ 4 were 't' somthing
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um, you did you know you can get rid of all that crome, right? all of those toolbars can be removed, and the individual buttons can be put wherever you want. so you can make one toolbar just for yourself.
I've removed everything but the menubar (and I put 3 buttons on it, fullscreen, save all, and the button that shows/hides the output screen).
but I can understand why you wouldn't know that, it's so hard *right click in the work space* and all.
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You have a choice of weather or not you want to run an Active X control in each case, it dosn't happen automaticaly
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Your slashdot password is stored in a Cookie, you want' so you don't need to remember it if you don't want.
/. password if you don't want to, and customizaion is cool to. I encourage you to get an acount
a simpler solution would be to use somthing like
g%4d3*af for everything, I ususly use the same password, anyway, you don't need to remember your
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Yes, China is a rich and powerfull contry
did you know that there entire millitary budget is less than the *increase* in the US's budget? (While clintion is "cutting" funding, he's probably just "decreasing the increase")
I don't know if the US could win a strate war with china at this point, but i don't belive that China is in anyway better then us as far as Sciance/tech
damn, this is *really* offtopic...
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it wouldn't be hard for them to say "sample" say, one in one thousand keys. Have the client send back the results for one out of every 1000, or 10,000, and check to see it the algorithem was implemented. Or even have it send back every cracked block, and check one in 100. I'm sure there are ways to verify the stuff.
besides why would someone want to write a hacked client and then *not* get an insainly high score? I mean, what would be the point? There are only 3 reasons to hack/crack/h4x0r antention, money, or beacuse you belive your target is moraly wrong. Now I don't see how you would get money for hacking D.net, and I really doubt anyone would be moraly opposed to d.net (the NSA?) and how would slowly and silently cracking away at d.net get you attention?
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it telnet really a protocol? I thought it was just raw packets directly from the keyboard to the server, and back to the screen.
not really much of a protocol, actualy nither is HTTP, have you ever read the spec? its simple enough to run by hand, IE telnet directly into port 80 and type "GET / HTTP/1.0"....
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Actualy not *all* the RFC's are technical
I remember reading an wired artical about RFC 2000 + somthing called "30 years of RFCs" or somthing, there is a lot more intresting stuff in those files to, but I don't know many people who feel like diging through all those texts. I've read two myself: IRC and http 1.0 nothing to exsiting
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if "jacking in" is connecting to the net, what's the term for 'disconnecting'?
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European Union
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first off:
I think just about everyone has decided that Amiga's full of shit. Even if they do come up with a system, it's not going to be earth shattering. Just another PowerPC clone running Linux. Ho-hum.
I don't think that many people have decided Amiga's full of shit, some have, other havn't. You also have confused Amiga Inc's Amiga, with Phase 5/QNX's version of the amiga, the Ami Rage (or the A mirage, if you prefer)
Second:
Transmeta, if they're NOT full of shit, had better bring something to market to show for the months of secrecy. This industry does not tend to be forgiving and will lose interest in companies that don't have anything to show for their much hyped technology.
Dosnt' full of shit imply that you're lying? how can some one be lying if they arn't saying anything at all? And it's been years of secrecy, not months. no one is hyping transmeta's technology at all (although I do think that they could anounce somthing by now, since there chip's only a few monts away from production, or so it seems. I belive that this current veil of secrecy is just to generate hype for the amiga). How do you know if other companys don't do similar things? you couldn't know, if they were secret. the only reason we know anything about transmeta is beacuse they employ linus torvlads.
what the fuck should transmeta care what other people think of them now? If they put out a good product, people will use it, if they don't, people wont. They don't have to worry about investors, as the company is owned by Paul Allen
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And how exactly can something run java as fast as native code without breaking the laws of mathmatics?
you mean like one of suns Java Chips, where the native code *was* java? Not that the guy you were replying to wasn't a total crackpot....
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As far as I know the Emotion Engine is a graphics+T 'n' L setup chip (trasformation and lighting), like the nVidia NV10. I think that Amiga is going with an ATI rage chip for graphics, so that would rule out the EE, as for the wonderfull 128bit CPU on the Playstation 2, I doubt sony would licens that. they might, but since they put the word 'Transmeta' and have been hinting at an aliance, (plus the Linus Torvlads thing) I think Transmeta is actualy a more likely bet.
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It seems like Amiga is jumping on just about every band wagon it can. Linux, transmeta, QNX, Enlightenment, etc. It all this for real, or are they just trying to capitalize on the hype of other technologies?
what would be the point of trying to capitlize on all this stuff if they never planned on relasing a product? *just* to screw QSSL? (makers of QNX)
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Transmeta may continue to pump the hype surrounding their nonexistent processor
/. why, it's like every other day they issue a press release!
... claims that it has a product under development, Linux being such a nice guy and all...
:) It would be nice if we could fix these post after we submit them, maybe have a "version two" show up or somthing later....
Yes, look at *all* the hype they've been spewing so far! It's crazy, floding the airwaves,
seriously though, look at there Website they havn't said one word. I don't think you can accuse a company of having vaporware when they havn't even said that the yave anything planed. *everything* that we've heard so far has been idle speculation based on a few patents that were filed and there employment of Linus Torvlads.
heh, you said 'Linux' when you ment 'Linus'
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sorry I should have posted this in my last reply, but I didn't read your whole post through. anyway
Why are so many people down on efforts to do something different and new with hardware and software?
so they can make money, it dosn't matter how "cool" your system is. if it doesn't run any good software, no one will buy it.
back in the late 70s and throughout the '80's geeks would be willing to buy them with out programs. but today, they already have computers, that they probably love. I would have loved to buy a BeBox, but I already had a computer. It wasn't "the greatest" but it worked, and it was good enough
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The average PC today is still just an 8 bit intel preocessor stuck on a bus that was obsolete the day it was first used - taken to a higher level of ineffeciency.
What?? there was *never* an 8bit x86 CPU, and the system bus on current PCs use GTL+ (gunning tranciver logic, I think) and represent a completly new system. K7s use the same bus as the Alpha. is that an ineficcent '1970s' bus?
The intel hardware was designed to be cheap and backwards compatable, and it sucseeded. Its really not that bad, and compition between AMD and intel in the past year or so, have *really* lowerd prices for chips (into the
Your aperant lack of understaning leads me to belive that you are simply drawing conclusions based on your own *dislike* of intel hardware. After all, if *you* don't like it, it must suck, right? (let me guess, mac user? I wouldn't exspect a hardcore unix hacker to be so incorect...)
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