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Amiga & Transmeta?
kmj9907 its all the buzz- apparently the latest rumor is that Amiga and Transmeta will be working
together on the new line of Amiga boxes. There still isn't concrete
news, but the rumors have been propogating as fast as electrons can
carry them around the net.
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Didn't he show up there too ?
Why is everyone so down on this whole idea? Just because it may not be typical Linux/OS stuff doesn't mean it isn't going to be really cool. None of this is anything other than conjecture, but if it is true then the new Amiga sounds pretty good. I may just have to switch back if all this carries through.
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The Amiga was a great machine - back in the late 80's, early 90's. Today, the average PC blows the Amiga out of the water...
The Amigas real advantage was it's operating system: very light weight, multitasking in less than a meg of memory, very modular...
Let the Amiga rest in peace - any new machine with an Amiga name will be nothing more than that. It will have little in common with the machines from the old days...
Sorry but all adds up to ... nothing. One will find what one wants to find to, humans are built that way.
QNX actually has something, a RT OS that has been working for quite some time now. Amiga has, well, believers and once upon a time in the future there it will ... be another announcement.
I add my "me too" to this.
Let the Amiga rest in peace and dignity.
If this company *ever* releases some hardware, they should give it another name.
I think just about everyone has decided that Amiga's full of shit. Why are we even getting stories about them here? Even if they do finally manage to come up with a system it's not going to be earth shattering. Just another PowerPC clone running Linux. Ho-hum.
Transmeta, if they're NOT full of shit, had better bring something to market to show for the months of secrecy. This industry does not tend to be forgiving and will lose interest in companies that don't have anything to show for their much hyped technology.
I have seen the nonexistant processor, and I have also seen TM use Quake and Quake II to "test frame rates". Just because you have never seen one, doesn't been they don't exist.
People, who might not be in the loop, confuse all the Amiga news on PPC with AmigaNG news. All PPC news is relevant to the Amiga Classic line (what you can buy today), which runs with PPC boards and within the next few months a G3/G4 board or two will join the game. So if you here PPC + Amiga, think classic.
The fact is that Phase 5 is no longer in on the NG dev. and is backing QNX-- part of the reason is that they wanted Amiga to commit to PPC.
Transmeta stole the chip from my droid!
i know, i know! transmeta is secretly working with starbridge systems and amiga to create their "new exciting processor"
yay.
-anonymous coward
I hope any new machine will be very different from the machines of the old days. It can still (along with an OS to match) be very different from the average PC today, and partake of the same spirit that infused the original Amiga. Why not. Life did not stop in 1994.
The average PC today is still just an 8 bit intel preocessor stuck on a bus that was obsolete the day it was first used - taken to a higher level of ineffeciency. OK, the processors are now faster and memory is cheaper. But the average PC of today is a betrayal of what could be done with current technology to build a really modern, modular hardware system.
Why are so many people down on efforts to do something different and new with hardware and software?
The Amiga/Linux/Transmeta thing may mostly be hype to attract investment, but let's hope it is not.
The qualities and characateristics that made the old Amiga great in its day are ongoing, waiting to be rediscovered in a different context.
Gateway are using the amiga name not to market a computer but rather a 2nd generation "webTV", a box for idiots. There is little expandability from the looks I've seen (and from the worthless "technology brief"). It looks like it would make a nice CD/DVD player for my living room, but come on... you can't seriously expect the box seen here http://www.funtime-world.de/bericht/woa3.jpg to be a worthy replacement of a computer or workstation. You might also want to check out this letter http://www.amigacentral.com/files/wolf.txt from Phase 5 to comp.sys.amiga.misc. They are one of the few companies who supported the amiga when it would have been much more lucrative to move on, and there is no place for them (as most amiga developers) for the quantity over quality WebTV box being sold by Gateway. If you value innovation over meaningless hype then you only have one choice: Phase5/QNX.
And as for the ambiguous hypemachine that is Amiga Inc, if they really had a superior chip they would come out and say so, rather than losing support by the day for their ultravaporware (and I thought M$ was bad).
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Ya, and its electrons will go twice the speed of light. And it'll cure cancer too.
And pray tell what exactly is "will
use the RISC instruction" or a "smart logic gate"? And how exactly can something run java as fast as native code without breaking the laws of mathmatics?
No one said "Wild Wild West" was going to be the most exciting. No one with any taste, anyway.
Excuse me, but for me this looks a lot like a TV set and a VCR. :-)
For the 2 people here that still can't read German (shame on you!) it's not worth babelfishing the text.
Ok, if it brings the newspaper, washes my car, nurses my plants, scans cable TV for good science fiction programs and goes to work for me as well I'll buy it.
Amiga is a brand that just refuses to go away. [...] Let it die.
No.
We're not going to let it die. We're going to get our Amigas up to date... we're going to have new machines that once again kick ass... we're going to get what we want. It may not have the actual word "Amiga" on the box, but the guiding ideas behind the original Amiga will continue to exist in some form.
We won't let it die, even after all the crap we've taken from the M$ folks, the Mac folks, and now the Linux folks. We don't care. We want our Amiga back, and if we have to overturn the entire computer industry while you're not looking, then that's what we'll do. If we have to subvert you all, that's what we'll do.
We are not going to give up. Period. Ever. We are far more determined than you can ever dream.
> What?? there was *never* an 8bit x86 CPU, and
there was an 8 bit x86, it was called the 8088.
See subject.
The comment is still just as readable as it would have been before moderation was implemented. You don't even have to change the default threshold, in fact!
Slashdot's moderation system is just about the best you could ask for, given the circumstances. So what if it depends a bit on the law of averages to be completely successful?
Heh. These Amiga articles sure bring out all the old Atari users...
I couldn't agree more. So much BS hype in the industry.
Look, there are two ways to rapidly push into an entrenched market. Price parity and superior performance, or performance parity with a lower price.
BORLAND:
Remember what Borland did in the eighties -- better compilers for a lot less. Stolen GUI technolgy from europe made Borland and Phillipe Kahn very rich. He had the golden ring -- lower price, better quality!
LINUX:
Linux is trying to use performance parity at a lower price. I beleive this goal can be met, since the performance/usabilty issues are being handled well, and Linux people have been getting some nice jobs. Plus, there is a philosophy of freedom behind linux that gets people fired up.
AMD:
The celeron hurt AMD on the low end, so they are expanding into the other method with price parity and greater performance (Athlon). Personally, the idea of a drop-in mobo with a 600Mhz Athlon and 128MB. of ram for less than $400 could happen by years' end. Sweet.
AMIGA OS:
I personally don't beleive the Amiga OS (regardless of the kernel used), or QNX (for that matter) can match either method for market entry. Both are more expensive than Linux, implying the OS would have to be truly revolutionary. They probably aren't. Sorry, you lose.
TRANSMETA HW:
Learn from AMD, preferably Borland. You need much greater performance, and a much cheaper chip to quickly enter this entrenched market. There are key people in the company with backgrounds favorable to this scenario. Or, they can enter the market slower with a price or performance parity.
But, Good God, don't shoot for a proprietary mobo design, whacky cases or custom ram configurations. The nerd market will ignore you. If you can't make something that fits in my box at a price/performance model on a par with AMD, you might as well all go look for new jobs now.
> The processor will use the RISC instruction set
Did you hear that everyone? It will use -THE- one and only RISC instruction set. Gawd! Where are all these clueless people coming from?
Never, *EVER* mix 2 or more unknown, untested gaseous products!!!
Especially if one of those products hasn't even been taped out and finished system is expected to ship 'next year'.
Face it, Amiga is dead if they're the ones leaking all these rumors recently. Sounds like they are desparately looking for public interest/funding by tossing out buzzwords.
Tom
Have you ever seen a Sparc station or an Indy box?
I definitely want to buy the ATX motherboard version of the new Amiga when it ships next year. It is good to hear that TransMeta has found at least one computer manufacturer to market their rumored new CPU to the consumer market. This could be the greatest game machine ever shipped (no I dont live behind the convenience store)! I hope that the Amiga Corp suits release all code under the GNU-GPL. Cheers, gbs
Why are there so many posts with negative attitudes on slashdot? There are even some that criticize Transmeta for not revealing anything. These people sound like grumpy old men who already gave up hope a long time ago. I'm sooo tired of the same old x86 architecture, and look forward to something better.
Geeeze.
How many rumors do we have to suffer though here? Just because Linus "works" (I use the term laughingly) there. They don't have a product. There are lots of companies that don't have products, we ignore them, why do we faun over this one?
if it does that much, hell i'll marry it
And how do you know this isn't the chromatic stuff finally emerging?
if it does that much, hell i'll marry it
Hmmm... but by the sounds of it, it doesn't suck.
Does this mean no source code
Oh bloody hell, it's the end of the world as we know it. What ever's going to happen?
Slashdot before Transmeta association with Amiga...
...afterwards
"Oh, here's an interesting processor"
"...and Linus works for them too, even better."
"wow! these patents look interesting"
"THE WEB PAGE HAS CHANGED. THE WEB PAGE HAS CHANGED"
"Transmeta? Aren't they that goofy company who have some wierd ideas about processor design?
"Yeah. Never mind, Linus can get a job elsewhere."
Only programmers call the 8088 a 16-bit cpu. Intel's own literature and any engineer calls it an 8-bit cpu.
Please double check your "facts" before attempting to correct anyone else. Otherwise it just makes you look stupid.
"Sorry but all adds up to ... nothing. One will find what one wants to find to, humans are built that way."
So, assuming that you're human too, that would mean that you find nothing because that's what you want to find, or have you decided that you are the one superior human who sees what is really there whilst everyone else is in a state of constant delusion?
Have you ever seen a ":-)"?
I like the superior part but some common sense does the job here. A state of constant delusion is not that uncommon though, it is known as "wishful thinking". How about this, let's just stop all that Amiga crap until at least something, just something shows up at the horizon. Until then the question, who would buy a machine from a company that is not even able to make up their mind what OS they are going to use. I do not even laugh at Amiga users, they are more a bunch of betrayed freaks than anything else. For the first part of this they have all my respect but the second part is pissing me off.
> I'm sooo tired of the same old x86 architecture, and look forward to
> something better.
There are already plenty of better architectures, the only problem is: Since they're all produced in quite small volumes (compared to x86), they don't give you as much "bang for the bucks" as x86. And so will be this Amiga thing if it will ever make it into production and sale.
Too bad, CHRP and all those PowerPC implementations didn't made it. Maybe we would now be able to buy or G4 and motherboard and plug them in our ATX tower as we can do it with x86 now.
I see a little chance for Athlon/Alpha21264. Maybe I can finally afford an Alpha system, yahoo!
Vaporware is a product that has repeatedly missed ship dates. The games Prey and Daikatana are two examples of vaporware.
Amiga disclosed information on the new Amiga 10 days ago. I read the technical update -- no where in it did Amiga promise to ship a product by July 25, 1999.
Read it again.
What's an Amiga? Is it a type of cheese? If it is,
why would Transmeta have anything to do with dairy products of this nature? I think you're all having a laugh.
> What is the best amiga hardware ever producted ?
The Amiga 1000 (the very first Amiga), it was really rocking.
Amiga's problem was, that Commodore didn't pushed the platform much further so it soon become obsolete. You just have to release better, faster, bigger machines regularly to stay in this business.
> What is the best amiga hardware ever producted ?
The Amiga 1000 (the very first Amiga), it was really rocking.
Amiga's problem was, that Commodore didn't push the platform much further so it soon become obsolete. You just have to release better, faster, bigger machines regularly to stay in this business.
I e-mailed the executive group at amiga asking why Linux over, say *BSD.
No response. So, I went to re-mail the question.
The SMTP server I use is now refused by them.
Seems they'd rather not HEAR from anyone asking questions, than answer them.
IMNSHO a sign of vapor-ware.
Surely FUD must be FUD in any context?
Or is it just FUD when a majority of /. posters deem it to be FUD?
Would probably be an amiga 4000T
with a phase5 PPC accelerator
i.e.
Any PC compatible monitor
A4000T tower cased amiga mobo
CyberstormPPC processor daughterboard
Motorola 68060 50MHz + 604e PPC 233 MHz
(yes, a heterogenous dual-cpu system!!)
CyberVisionPPC Permedia 2 gfx card
with ultra-wide scsi 3 HD
up to 128MByte ram
This system can still hold its own
quite well against mid-range PCs,
and it can run Linux/PPC and
Linux/m68k
There might soon be G4 accelerators
for "classic" amigas
www.escena.de
www.phase5.de
check out
www.eagle-cp.com
for full systems
faun faun faun au der autobahn!
faun faun faun au der autobahn!
faun faun faun au der autobahn!
Kraftwerk
Hey! What's he doing here on /.?!?? Get Him! KILL HIM!!!
:-P
Nonexistent processor for nonexistent OS. Amgia and Transmeta deserve each other. Let's see which one can con the other into thinking it really has something to show for all those years of secrecy,
indecision, and failure to ship a product.
In my opinion, Transmeta needs Amiga as much as Amiga needs Transmeta to keep the game alive. Thereby Transmeta may continue to pump the hype surrounding their nonexistent processor - implying that somebody actually plans to use their much-hyped technology for something. Since everyone knows that Amiga will do no such thing,
but will just change its mind after another 6 months, Transmeta doesn't have to actually produce anything, but can attract investment based on such speculation. His emminence the Linus is just employed there to lend credibility to Transmeta's claims that it has a product under development, Linux being such a solid and reliable guy and all.
It's fun to pretend.
The new Amiga CPU will be the fastest CPU ever created and there will never be one faster than it. It was so fast that the Bytemark tests needed to be re-coded to use long doubles instead of integers for the resulting score. He said it can encode an entire CD into MP3s in under 12 seconds, it's cracked RC5-DES in just under 4 minutes (the encoded message was "Eat your liverwurst, it's good for you," by the way), and it rendered all the water scenes in the Titanic sequel during the union-mandated lunch break yesterday afternoon. It beat Deep Blue the other day at checkers and tomorrow it's playing tennis against Agassi (the Amiga is a 3-2 favorite). Steve Jobs saw it and had to change his pants, and Andy Grove is still semi-catatonic over the whole deal. Wcarchive replaced cdrom.com's old machine with one just yesterday and upped the user limit to 65,535. It makes the lightest, fluffiest pancakes you've ever tasted and it brews a mean lager. It downed a bottle of JD and didn't even flinch.
Suffice it to say, everyone will want one. It also comes in puce.
Woo!
- A.P.
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I've since had an email response from Anthony with a new phone number and an explanation. He registered the site when he first started hearing about an Amiga-Transmeta connection. Some members of the Linux press were present and may have more to report. Anthony promises to fill in the website with more information later.
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
From the LinuxToday story, it's been noted that the story was written by and reported by an Anthony Kilna. A whois query turns up a record for METAMIGA.COM, registered 17 July, 1999. The phone number listed, (619) 677-9830, responds with a "disconnected or no longer in service" message.
Which isn't to say this is a fake, but I'm dubious at present. There are details BTW at http://www.kilna.com/.
I've emailed Anthony for more information, we'll have to wait and see what turns up.
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
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I just want to see the transmeta logo...where...where...Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeere?
Linux IS user friendly, it's just choosy of who it's friends are.
Yeah, check out my post in one of the earlier amiga stories (the Amiga-uses-Linux one, I think). And several other people reached the same conclusion.
I know I had a post with that guess, but I'm sure I got the idea from a previous post. However, a possible bit of evidence (and quite possibly just scurrilous rumor) is that I understand Linus himself is doing work on the USB drivers, which would be something one would need for a new architecture that relies on USB-only input devices.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
I've been following the Amiga news on /. quite closely for the past couple of weeks, and I've been wondering the same thing. One thing in particular -- Amiga isn't doomed to repeat their past mistakes as some people evidently feel is inevitable. Amiga is under new ownership, and they are in no way obligated to follow Commadore's example of ineptness. Some people seem to be blaming Gateway for Commadore's inablility to inovate or ship products.
I have no idea why this attitude is so prevalent, but I'm currently entertaining the theory that /. has been invaded by a disgruntled Atari ST user's group.
TedC
Amiga made a bad choice (in their opinion) with QNX. Then QNX steamrolled them with a perfectly timed announcement, which would either force Amiga to admit to having switched without being able to produce the docs and SDK, or would force them to lay low and try to conceal the switch.
QNX knew that either choice would divide the Amiga community and leave more customers for them.
Clever.
Now why is the Amiga community falling for it? Don't abandon Amiga for QNX until QNX actually HAS something.
-Billy
But just because the rumor partly started here doesn't mean it's not true -- it seems fairly logical to me.
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Well for a while there I was hoping they were really building something new and revolutionary up there at Transmeta, but I guess if perpetual loser Amiga is gonna be their customer they may as well call it a day now.
Michiel
http://www.funtime-world.de/beri cht/woa240799.html
Real sleek black box with a couple of USB ports on the front, and a sleek futuristic monitor to match. If it costs less than £600, then it's worth buying for looks alone.
(and i don't care what CPU it uses!!!)
Also, this transmeta thing could be very real. Eg John Carmack just posted to G200-devel that he was at TransMeta this week discussing about 3D with their engineers, and that Linus *really* wants linux to have good 3D support!! So it sounds to me like transmeta are at a pretty advanced stage. They've been working on it for 2-3 years now, why shouldn't it be ready?
(if you don't believe me check the g200 devel list archive, and no i don't have the url. get of your lazy arse and find it yourself!) :)
I use Friend/Foe + mod-point modifiers as a karma/reputation system.
http://lists .openprojects.net/pipermail/g200-dev/1999-July/002 304.html
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Wait, don't forget about "revolutionary!" Apparently they think that if they say it often enough and vehemently enough, then we might actually believe it.
Or maybe they're just trying to convince themselves.
"Unfortunately,
communicating the complete vision at this time would jeopardize our
competitive advantage and business success, especially if we released
this information on our web site. I hope you can understand how
important it is for us to keep certain strategic information from our
competitors."
Does this mean no source code ?
Ah, that's OK. I was worried that I might have missed something by leaving early.
amigacentral is also reporting this, and has a shot of the image mentioned on linuxtoday, see http://www.amigacentral.com/news.html
It _may_ be just a rumor, or it _may_ be not.
But anyway, if there _is_ something going on between Amiga and Transmeta, it'd be good for the rest of us.
For too long we have been put in this little hole where we either have to go Intel or Mac. Amiga of yesteryears were good in technicality, but bad in popularizing its product (ie., marketing).
Now that we _may_ have a third choice, software (Amiga) _and_ hardware (Transmeta), there _may_ be chances yet for this world to see something totally new.
The Amiga/Transmeta combo _may_ use Linux as a base, or _may_ not, but who cares.
What we truly need today is CHOICE, which we _really_ don't have.
Let us all hope for the day when we have wider option then the old WinTel or MacPPC duality.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
I don't think the transmeta will even ship or live up to the hype if it does and if that's the case then the Amiga is truly dead. oh well, I'm sure Mr. Torvalds could find another job that pays a ton of money in a second
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The processor in the Amiga will be 5x faster
then the fastest now-available PIII and will be
able to run Java code as fast as native code
(smart logic gates finally?) The processor will
use the RISC instruction set and according to my
source (which unfortunatly is under NDA) claims
that the chip is not made by transmeta, however
due to the NDA papers this COULD be a lie.
Supposedly the people who are working on the new
Amiga and it's processor have employed several
top guys from SGI too, including the guy who made
the super-cheap N64 chip.
The main reason I think that transmeta MAY be
involved in this is because Linus said that his
work with transmeta was not DIRECTLY related to
linux.
the "Wonderful 128 bit cpu" is a Toshiba, based on a Mips IV core. Mips IV is neither new nor exciting. It's just efficent, and time-tested, and carries with it arguably the most flexible technology licensing scheme used by any chip maker.
Mips Co doesn't care who sees, uses, modifies their design, 'long as they sign the license check.
This is just like television, only you can see much further.
That's Elbrus (Name of highest mountain in Europe)
But don't wait for it, even with Luzhkov's money, they will not find a fab...
<^>_<(ô ô)>_<^>
Here's the link
http://www.theregister.co.uk/990723-000006.html
Apparently if Amiga plans to work with ATI they may, for cost cutting reasons, choose to use ATI's MIPS cores altered by Chromatic (aquired by ATI). Cromatic has made some of the most multimedia intensive chips out there (albiet lacking on 3D performance though...)
Also consider that SGI makes CPUs containing MIPS cores too and they have some serious multimedia intergration skills.
-Huang Bao Lin
What is the best amiga hardware ever producted ?
In other words, if one has top of the line amiga ( accelerators etc..) how does it compare to say, ADM 400 Mhz ??
The subject says it all.
The box shown is larger and has more stuff up front than some
sparcstations...
Besides, if all the Amiga does is reveal what Transmeta was up to
and then flop, its efforts would be worth it. Granted, I never used
the original Amiga and couldn't care less about the new one.
I suppose that this is likely to attract flame responses, but oh well. (hey, I'm posting from a real logged in /. account instead of hiding behind anonymity - go for it!)
Will you lot please grow up?
It's amazing how petty the Amiga threads here have become. Seems they all follow the same pattern: Some kind of actual news makes its way to the public (which in itself is an achievement given how quiet Amiga has been and how noisy the Amiga community has been), someone posts it to /., and then all the flamers and morons come out to play.
Just a games machine.
It's dead, leave it be.
Vapor products.
Do you people have nothing better to do than tear down anything that may actually have a chance at success? Do you actually have a clue what you're shouting down in the first place? It's always easier to rip something to shreds to make yourself feel better than it is to actually discuss the news, isn't it... that is, after all, what I thought Slashdot was HERE for.
I find it upsets me to say it, but this attitude from several frequent posters here has greatly disappointed me. I hope its a trend that isn't going to continue.
Transmeta's logo was flashed, but this could (stretching) simply be a reference to Torvalds. Of course, interesting new chip could mean any new revision of the current chip technologies out there.
Isn't slashdot one of the places these rumors started? This is like a news source creating it's own news. Would this have happened on a site that wasn't so into Linux, and therefore Linus and Transmeta?
It seems like Amiga is jumping on just about every band wagon it can. Linux, transmeta, QNX, Enlightenment, etc. It all this for real, or are they just trying to capitalize on the hype of other technologies?
And, from what I understand, the new Amiga is going to based on the PPC. The OS software will be the Linux kernel, with Enlightenment/X as the GUI. Just how is this new machine related to the original Amiga? Not the OS or the main CPU. Maybe the graphics/FX/sound chips? An Amiga software layer over Linux and X? Or maybe the developers the same? Or does the new Amiga just try to capture the "spirit" of the old Amiga?
Or are they just trying to capitalize on the Amiga name too?
I was sitting around the office the other day, reading the latest amiga news on /. and at the top of my lungs yelled out "I'm f**king sick of amiga! They're going the way of transmeta! If they don't bring out hal9000 on a watch I'm just gonna snap!"
And people thought starwars was too hyped????
G-funk
Send lawyers, guns, and money!
sorry I should have posted this in my last reply, but I didn't read your whole post through. anyway
Why are so many people down on efforts to do something different and new with hardware and software?
so they can make money, it dosn't matter how "cool" your system is. if it doesn't run any good software, no one will buy it.
back in the late 70s and throughout the '80's geeks would be willing to buy them with out programs. but today, they already have computers, that they probably love. I would have loved to buy a BeBox, but I already had a computer. It wasn't "the greatest" but it worked, and it was good enough
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Transmeta may continue to pump the hype surrounding their nonexistent processor
/. why, it's like every other day they issue a press release!
... claims that it has a product under development, Linux being such a nice guy and all...
:) It would be nice if we could fix these post after we submit them, maybe have a "version two" show up or somthing later....
Yes, look at *all* the hype they've been spewing so far! It's crazy, floding the airwaves,
seriously though, look at there Website they havn't said one word. I don't think you can accuse a company of having vaporware when they havn't even said that the yave anything planed. *everything* that we've heard so far has been idle speculation based on a few patents that were filed and there employment of Linus Torvlads.
heh, you said 'Linux' when you ment 'Linus'
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first off:
I think just about everyone has decided that Amiga's full of shit. Even if they do come up with a system, it's not going to be earth shattering. Just another PowerPC clone running Linux. Ho-hum.
I don't think that many people have decided Amiga's full of shit, some have, other havn't. You also have confused Amiga Inc's Amiga, with Phase 5/QNX's version of the amiga, the Ami Rage (or the A mirage, if you prefer)
Second:
Transmeta, if they're NOT full of shit, had better bring something to market to show for the months of secrecy. This industry does not tend to be forgiving and will lose interest in companies that don't have anything to show for their much hyped technology.
Dosnt' full of shit imply that you're lying? how can some one be lying if they arn't saying anything at all? And it's been years of secrecy, not months. no one is hyping transmeta's technology at all (although I do think that they could anounce somthing by now, since there chip's only a few monts away from production, or so it seems. I belive that this current veil of secrecy is just to generate hype for the amiga). How do you know if other companys don't do similar things? you couldn't know, if they were secret. the only reason we know anything about transmeta is beacuse they employ linus torvlads.
what the fuck should transmeta care what other people think of them now? If they put out a good product, people will use it, if they don't, people wont. They don't have to worry about investors, as the company is owned by Paul Allen
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As far as I know the Emotion Engine is a graphics+T 'n' L setup chip (trasformation and lighting), like the nVidia NV10. I think that Amiga is going with an ATI rage chip for graphics, so that would rule out the EE, as for the wonderfull 128bit CPU on the Playstation 2, I doubt sony would licens that. they might, but since they put the word 'Transmeta' and have been hinting at an aliance, (plus the Linus Torvlads thing) I think Transmeta is actualy a more likely bet.
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I'm still using my Amiga because I CAN use it, it's streamline (no advertizing at every turn as in the Windoze world). The programs I use I can customize EASILY and SIMPLY. I've tried many proggies on my PC but, you have to go through GatesHELL to customize anything...FUCK THAT!
No amount of speed can fix that.........
You can find a frame-grab of the video at Amiga Central
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First Amiga meant great hardware.
Then Amiga meant great software.
Now Amiga is the best vapourware. Nothing else comes close.
I heard some people say that "Amiga" is really just an attitude, rather than a particular technology. Maybe Amiga will become the best wetware next. I have more faith in the QNX based alternative than the "official" new AmigaOS with its mysterious hardware.
I still think AmigaOS is a great operating system, but it is tied to hardware that can't be modernised without hack piled on hack. There will soon be G4 processor upgrades for Amiga 1200s, for goodness sake.
I fear I must agree with Morden.
I cashed in my Amiga chips not so long ago, and at one point I _was_ beginning to develop for the Amiga. But it just wasn't economically viable.
Commodore's marketing pushed the machine into its own rut, at a time when the general public weren't ready for a machine which could _multitask_ - and be productive as well as being a games machine. That was the Amiga's death knell.
I would rather learn from its mistakes, and leave it be. I question why people are hovering around this, expecting miracles from Jim Collas. It is not dissimilar to the hero cult which has grown around Linus Torvalds, and of which some slashdotters are more than guilty.
But I fear that from a business viewpoint, any attempt to breed a new Amiga would be up against great marketing difficulties right from the word 'go'.
Bruce M. Simpson Unix/Network Bod & Win32 Developer
Just between us girls, there's a story about the Amiga/Transmeta thang in the issue of Forbes that will hit the stands next week (8/9 cover date), so it should be on the Forbes website come Monday.
"Dada is the signboard of abstraction; advertising and business are also elements of poetry." -Tristan Tzara
All aspects of the new Amiga will be different from the original machine. As far as I know, the developers are different as well. (Jay Miner is dead, Carl Sassenrath is making Rebol, don't know about the others.)
> there was an 8 bit x86, it was called the 8088.
No, the 8088 was a 16 bit CPU, just like the 8086, with an 8bit data bas instead of a 16bit data bus!
Get you facts correct AC!
As for amiga, unless they can design a rocken chipset, i won't even consider it worthy of the name!
1) I AM A PROGRAMMER. There are a lot of us too :)
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2) Intels PDF does say 16 bit internal architechure and an 8 bit data bus, just like I said
Please read the "facts" and my post before claiming I look stupid.
Hmmm... it seems to have just linked to /.(?!?!?!). Here's the real URL:= thread&CONTEXT=932845453.372965529&hitnu m=11
http://x27.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=501274972&search
Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
I wrote to Rick le LeFaivre and got a message quite quick in responce... although it was to do with the usage of x:
"Thanks for the note, -----. We're continuing to look at other options to
X-Windows, but one clear advantage to having it available is that there will
be lots of Linux/X-Windows applications available soon that we'd like to be
able to run on the MCC. Most developers and users will never "see" X
directly, as it is basically some underlying software that manages bits on
the screen -- if we find something better to manage the bits (windows) on
the screen, we can use it.
Ease of use remains one of the primary goals of the development team.
Rick"
So whatever ideas we have cant all be that bad in reality.... And hey we're all cynical about the new mig... but if it does live up to expectations I'm sure I wont be the only one buying the box.
Ive also got a hunch that the first new migs of the pres wont be Transmeta power, they will be Motorolla, caus Transmetas chip wont be out in time for migs release... However later in 2000 we'll see a mig model with Transmeta power..
Oh my crystal ball has foged up...
Some said 'Star and/or Wars' was the most action we would see this summer, and others said 'Austin Powers', 'Eyes Wide Shut', 'Wild Wild West', etc. were going to be the most exciting.
They are all wrong. 'Amiga Rumor Time 3000' is the best thing I've seen yet! I don't believe I have ever experianced so much entertainment. My hats off to Spielberg/Lucas/Krubrick or whoever directed this action packed thriller about the olde tyme machines.
I just got back from the WoA show in London, where I was witness to Jim Collas' speech.
Nothing was specifically said about Transmeta. What did happen was they showed a video, where several logos were flashed up on the screen (Sun, Corel, Transmeta), and they then went on to talk about various future partnerships. In the actual speech bits, they mentioned Sun and Corel, but not Transmeta. As far as I'm aware, that's all there is, unless more was said at the Amiwest show.