well, it would be a pretty inefisent for them to do that, as opposed to building this supercomputer. in order to match this performance, you would need somthing like 400 billion pIIIs _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
beacuse it would cost ***a lot*** more money, in order to get the same performance. the artical said that a pIII can crack 300,000keys or so per second this box can can do 10, million * 2^32 or 42,949,672,960,000,000 keys per second. assuming that these bad ass CPUs can do 800,000 keys per second, you would need 53,687,091,200 of them. or about ten for every living person on earth. that would cost a lot _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
64-bits, about 4 thousand times more dificult. anyway, 64bit is all were alowed to have, so who cares about more? _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
I noticed a logic flaw in the calculation of bandwidth. he said that there would be X amount of "false positives" during each run. while it's true that X amount of false positives will ocur, you don't know *when* they are going to happen, in other words, you could end up with all the positives going off at once, and locking up the system for quite some time. _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
what the hell? what does that have to do with anything? are you saying UDP is better? I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't get much more then a 10% improvement with UDP if anything at all (I really have no idea, but I doubt it would be much)
besides java can use UDP anyway. I think X cringinly was mistaken about java. is a programing language, not a streaming media service. The only thing is, that if you write one client, it will run on any platform that supports a Java run time environment. so in theory, you could run quicktime over Java. anyway, did you know that JWZ guy like ran mozila for a while? _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
God damn Airlines suck ass, so does the new wired. Who gives a damn about "hyperfiles" not me, thats for sure. I remember when I used to poor over every single page of that magazine(even that awfull negropoint crap) now I'm lucky if i get 10 minutes out of that magazine.:( _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Be = stuff made by whiners. no, Be == a company. there not a bunch of guys on the net hacking hardware for *fun* they are trying to produce a good product, in a resonable amount of time. and they *don't* have time to reverse engineer crap from a selfish company that didn't want any compition from companys on its own "turf" (when steve jobs came back) why should they even bother to support the G3 when Intel was *more* than happy to get BeOS up and running on there hardware _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
It might be posible to stand up to compition, to underhanded tacktecs, etc. but its hard to stand up to a truckload of money. Even if micro$oft never does anything with your technology, you're still a *very* rich man......
they paid $700 million dolars for hotmail.com then they raped it up the ass by trying to run it on NT, they probably lost a lot of users, doing that. now there onto Free BSD I think (that's what netcraft reports anyway)
but in the end it dosn't matter how badly they screwed it up, beacuse those VCs still made $700million dolars _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Why would Sorenson hold back the codec? From what I've seen it's not some super spiffy change the world thing like the mp3 codec so they might as well.
Mp3 isnt' that spectacular, infact there are a number of better compression systems, that result in both smaller files, and better quality
what makes mp3 a super spiffy change the world thing, is that it *is* open. if Apple wanted to change the world, they would relice the Sorenson codec. if the two companys did that, howerver, Nither $orenson, or apple would make any money, and apple wouldn't be able to make sure the best tools are only available for the mac.... _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Considering how dificult it is, or at least was to refine U235 and plutonim, I'm gussing it would be a *lot* cheaper to build a nucliar bomb instaid, considering it would take tons of dust (and I mean that literaly) to whipe out a city, and the dust would probably take a while to kill everyone.
besides, and atomic bomb would work pretty well anyway... _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
If someone had asked 70 years ago what quantum teory was good for. No one could probably give him an answer. But look now we have computers
yes we do, you do know that quantum mechanics has nothing to do with conventional computers (like the one your sitting at) _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
the closer you are to a black hole or any other mass, the more gravity pulls on you. The forces acting on diffrent parts of your body would be diffrent. this is why planets rotate (I think).
the forces acting on your body near a black hole would be strong enough to rip it apart. _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
That's what the 'explicit parallel' architecture they're referring to is all about: completing several operations at the same time or during the same clock cycle. That was all that older computers and OS's could do (Original DOS for instance). Back then, a megahertz rating on a computer meant everything simply because of the fact that the computers were explicitly serial (only able to do one operation at a time).
Your confusing *application* parallelism, with CPU parallelism. CPU parallelism is what allows a CPU to execute more than one instruction per clock, but as far as the programmer, the OS, and everyone else is concerned, it's still a serial machine. Consider this x86 example
add bx, ax add cx, ax inc dx
On a 286, or something each one of those instructions would go sequentially, some of them taking more then one CPU Cycle. But, if you look at the code, you see that none of those operations require results from any of the others. So it would be possible to do them "out of order" or even at the same time. The CPU is still a serial device, but CPU parallelism is just a way to cram more code in there faster.
On the other hand, *application* parallelism has nothing to do with the CPU your using. You can linux on a 386 just fine. What happens there is, the Operating system "time slices" every once in a while, and changes to another application. The CPU only executes code from one app at a time, weather or not the CPU has any parallelism. The big advantage for application parallelism is that you can run *more than one* CPU at a time, and have them operate on more then one stream at a time.
SMID implementations like Intel's SSE and MMX and AMDs 3dnow instructions are a further step in CPU parallelism, but they don't really let you run more then one thread at a time
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We should, but I don't think theres anything wrong with Intell cutting prices like this, after all they have the *slower* chip I think what there doing is fair, and a good thing. the cheaper chips are for me, the better. with out AMD, there would be no celreon at all, so instaid of paying $80 to $140 for a decent, 400mhz or so chips, we'd be paying around $300.
I certanly hope AMD can keep there footing, but assuming there are no manufacturing issues (and that's a *huge* asumption) they I think that they will be able to gain a foot hold _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
I think it's a little rediculis to say that someone is a microsoft employe just beacuse they prefer MS, or think there products arn't shit.
before I installed this shitty $16 winmodem, that monopolizes my CPU, windows *never* crashed (and this was windows 98 to. Now I get these weird errors where the screen goes blank and the kb stops working, but I can still hear the MP3 i was listening to... (this only happens when i'm online and listening to an mp3))
There's no reason to think that MS employese *dont't* troll this place. after the second (or was that the 3rd) Mindcraft tests, the number of *pro* MS posts rose very sharply.
you know who I think is an MSer? that william wallice guy, the one who's sig is "Why are so many startrack fans UNIX lovers, when was the last time you heard a captan say 'computer bring up the command line'" (note, this dosn't actualy make any sense, but whatever) although he does make a lot of non-ms related posts as well.
well it's 3am and I've been trying to get that damn new quake3demo to squeeze through my 44,000kbps pipe, witch dosn't like to stay connected to the internet. whatever _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
this is pretty funny, actualy. it amazes me that they let this go so far without trying to do somthing about it. and I don't see why hey can't pay there teachers, etc more. I mean if the average house is ~640k, you would think that they would make a *lot* more in taxes to pay the teachers. so I don't see why they don't. I wouldn't want to raise a kid in a school district where most of the teachers were less than 26. talk about poor planning
Silicon vally, where you make millions of dolars, but you don't actualy notice.... _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
actualy Multiplys on pX chips use the CPUs floating point unit, as far as I know.
the thing is, int math is also used for calculating things like RAM locations and stuff. so any errors could cause a complete crash of the system _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
actualy Multiplys on pX chips use the CPUs floating point unit, as far as I know.
the thing is, int math is also used for calculating things like RAM location and stuff. _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Next time you watch the news look for a computer monitor in the image.. Does it look partially black? If so it's the same general problem you're having the frame rate of the television camera is aliasing the image on the monitor.. Think of what would happen if you turned off all the lights in the room and turned on that old strobe light stuffed in the corner of your closet.. I'll bet that you'll immediately see the same problem you see on the newscast...
that's not right ether, beacuse the monitor generates it's own light, so you see it weather or not the lights in the room are on. if you want an example of how frame rates are effected, wave your hand around infront of the monitor. you'll see several crisp images of your hand's silluete, instaid of a single blurry image _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Except of the fact that is a 128 bit cpu it probably wont beat a p2/300 when it comes to general data processing performance. perfict for ipv6!!!
actulaly, I'd think a 128bit CPU would have a *huge* performance increase over a 32bit one _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
The ram thing is probably related to the motherboard. in theory, you can have up to 4gb in a PC, but good luck fitting that many Simms, or Dimms in a system. even with 256meg sims, you can only get about 768Megs - 1gig, eventhough you can address 4gig there not setting out to sell a Server here, I'm sure they can exspand the amount of ram when need be, it wasn't the Chip that limited DOS to 640k... _ "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
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well, it would be a pretty inefisent for them to do that, as opposed to building this supercomputer. in order to match this performance, you would need somthing like 400 billion pIIIs
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beacuse it would cost ***a lot*** more money, in order to get the same performance. the artical said that a pIII can crack 300,000keys or so per second
this box can can do 10, million * 2^32 or 42,949,672,960,000,000 keys per second. assuming that these bad ass CPUs can do 800,000 keys per second, you would need 53,687,091,200 of them. or about ten for every living person on earth. that would cost a lot
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64-bits, about 4 thousand times more dificult.
anyway, 64bit is all were alowed to have, so who cares about more?
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I noticed a logic flaw in the calculation of bandwidth.
he said that there would be X amount of "false positives" during each run. while it's true that X amount of false positives will ocur, you don't know *when* they are going to happen, in other words, you could end up with all the positives going off at once, and locking up the system for quite some time.
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but only in the cosole, the cant use GDI stuff
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what the hell? what does that have to do with anything? are you saying UDP is better? I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't get much more then a 10% improvement with UDP if anything at all (I really have no idea, but I doubt it would be much)
besides java can use UDP anyway.
I think X cringinly was mistaken about java. is a programing language, not a streaming media service. The only thing is, that if you write one client, it will run on any platform that supports a Java run time environment. so in theory, you could run quicktime over Java.
anyway, did you know that JWZ guy like ran mozila for a while?
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God damn Airlines suck ass, so does the new wired. Who gives a damn about "hyperfiles" not me, thats for sure. :(
I remember when I used to poor over every single page of that magazine(even that awfull negropoint crap)
now I'm lucky if i get 10 minutes out of that magazine.
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Be = stuff made by whiners. no, Be == a company.
there not a bunch of guys on the net hacking hardware for *fun* they are trying to produce a good product, in a resonable amount of time. and they *don't* have time to reverse engineer crap from a selfish company that didn't want any compition from companys on its own "turf" (when steve jobs came back)
why should they even bother to support the G3 when Intel was *more* than happy to get BeOS up and running on there hardware
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but they still make there money from selling boxes
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It might be posible to stand up to compition, to underhanded tacktecs, etc. but its hard to stand up to a truckload of money. Even if micro$oft never does anything with your technology, you're still a *very* rich man......
they paid $700 million dolars for hotmail.com
then they raped it up the ass by trying to run it on NT, they probably lost a lot of users, doing that. now there onto Free BSD I think (that's what netcraft reports anyway)
but in the end it dosn't matter how badly they screwed it up, beacuse those VCs still made $700million dolars
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Why would Sorenson hold back the codec? From what I've seen it's not some super spiffy change the world thing like the mp3 codec so they might as well.
Mp3 isnt' that spectacular, infact there are a number of better compression systems, that result in both smaller files, and better quality
what makes mp3 a super spiffy change the world thing, is that it *is* open. if Apple wanted to change the world, they would relice the Sorenson codec. if the two companys did that, howerver, Nither $orenson, or apple would make any money, and apple wouldn't be able to make sure the best tools are only available for the mac....
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Considering how dificult it is, or at least was to refine U235 and plutonim, I'm gussing it would be a *lot* cheaper to build a nucliar bomb instaid, considering it would take tons of dust (and I mean that literaly) to whipe out a city, and the dust would probably take a while to kill everyone.
besides, and atomic bomb would work pretty well anyway...
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If someone had asked 70 years ago what quantum teory was good for. No one could probably give him an answer. But look now we have computers
yes we do, you do know that quantum mechanics has nothing to do with conventional computers (like the one your sitting at)
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Oh, you'd be riped to shreads befor that happens.
the closer you are to a black hole or any other mass, the more gravity pulls on you. The forces acting on diffrent parts of your body would be diffrent. this is why planets rotate (I think).
the forces acting on your body near a black hole would be strong enough to rip it apart.
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That's what the 'explicit parallel' architecture they're referring to is all about: completing several operations at the same time or during the same clock cycle. That was all that older computers and OS's could do (Original DOS for instance). Back then, a megahertz rating on a computer meant everything simply because of the fact that the computers were explicitly serial (only able to do one operation at a time).
Your confusing *application* parallelism, with CPU parallelism. CPU parallelism is what allows a CPU to execute more than one instruction per clock, but as far as the programmer, the OS, and everyone else is concerned, it's still a serial machine. Consider this x86 example
add bx, ax
add cx, ax
inc dx
On a 286, or something each one of those instructions would go sequentially, some of them taking more then one CPU Cycle. But, if you look at the code, you see that none of those operations require results from any of the others. So it would be possible to do them "out of order" or even at the same time. The CPU is still a serial device, but CPU parallelism is just a way to cram more code in there faster.
On the other hand, *application* parallelism has nothing to do with the CPU your using. You can linux on a 386 just fine. What happens there is, the Operating system "time slices" every once in a while, and changes to another application. The CPU only executes code from one app at a time, weather or not the CPU has any parallelism. The big advantage for application parallelism is that you can run *more than one* CPU at a time, and have them operate on more then one stream at a time.
SMID implementations like Intel's SSE and MMX and AMDs 3dnow instructions are a further step in CPU parallelism, but they don't really let you run more then one thread at a time
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We should, but I don't think theres anything wrong with Intell cutting prices like this, after all they have the *slower* chip
I think what there doing is fair, and a good thing. the cheaper chips are for me, the better. with out AMD, there would be no celreon at all, so instaid of paying $80 to $140 for a decent, 400mhz or so chips, we'd be paying around $300.
I certanly hope AMD can keep there footing, but assuming there are no manufacturing issues (and that's a *huge* asumption) they I think that they will be able to gain a foot hold
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well don't forget, we should buy AMDs now beacuse there *faster* :)
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I think it's a little rediculis to say that someone is a microsoft employe just beacuse they prefer MS, or think there products arn't shit.
before I installed this shitty $16 winmodem, that monopolizes my CPU, windows *never* crashed (and this was windows 98 to. Now I get these weird errors where the screen goes blank and the kb stops working, but I can still hear the MP3 i was listening to... (this only happens when i'm online and listening to an mp3))
There's no reason to think that MS employese *dont't* troll this place. after the second (or was that the 3rd) Mindcraft tests, the number of *pro* MS posts rose very sharply.
you know who I think is an MSer? that william wallice guy, the one who's sig is "Why are so many startrack fans UNIX lovers, when was the last time you heard a captan say 'computer bring up the command line'" (note, this dosn't actualy make any sense, but whatever)
although he does make a lot of non-ms related posts as well.
well it's 3am and I've been trying to get that damn new quake3demo to squeeze through my 44,000kbps pipe, witch dosn't like to stay connected to the internet. whatever
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this is pretty funny, actualy. it amazes me that they let this go so far without trying to do somthing about it.
and I don't see why hey can't pay there teachers, etc more. I mean if the average house is ~640k, you would think that they would make a *lot* more in taxes to pay the teachers. so I don't see why they don't. I wouldn't want to raise a kid in a school district where most of the teachers were less than 26.
talk about poor planning
Silicon vally, where you make millions of dolars, but you don't actualy notice....
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actualy Multiplys on pX chips use the CPUs floating point unit, as far as I know.
the thing is, int math is also used for calculating things like RAM locations and stuff. so any errors could cause a complete crash of the system
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actualy Multiplys on pX chips use the CPUs floating point unit, as far as I know.
the thing is, int math is also used for calculating things like RAM location and stuff.
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Next time you watch the news look for a computer monitor in the image.. Does it look partially black? If so it's the same general problem you're having the frame rate of the television camera is aliasing the image on the monitor.. Think of what would happen if you turned off all the lights in the room and turned on that old strobe light stuffed in the corner of your closet.. I'll bet that you'll immediately see the same problem you see on the newscast...
that's not right ether, beacuse the monitor generates it's own light, so you see it weather or not the lights in the room are on.
if you want an example of how frame rates are effected, wave your hand around infront of the monitor. you'll see several crisp images of your hand's silluete, instaid of a single blurry image
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Except of the fact that is a 128 bit cpu it probably wont beat a p2/300 when it comes to general data processing performance.
perfict for ipv6!!!
actulaly, I'd think a 128bit CPU would have a *huge* performance increase over a 32bit one
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Windows 9x has protected memory
so does windows 3.1
It's the drivers that cras 9x boxes (and NT boxes, running in kernel space)
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The ram thing is probably related to the motherboard. in theory, you can have up to 4gb in a PC, but good luck fitting that many Simms, or Dimms in a system. even with 256meg sims, you can only get about 768Megs - 1gig, eventhough you can address 4gig
there not setting out to sell a Server here, I'm sure they can exspand the amount of ram when need be, it wasn't the Chip that limited DOS to 640k...
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