It may be 'fairly obvious' but its still wrong. Really I have no idea why people belive that. without using DeCSS or CSS you can copy worthless random data, but you can't do shit with it unless you have the decryption keys. YOU CANNOT GET THE DECRYPTION KEYS WITHOUT DECSS, OR A CSS LICENSE WITH NORMAL HARDWARE And I've never heard of anyone, anywhere selling software that can read the keytracks of DVDs.
let me repeat YOU CAN'T USE ENCRYPTED DATA YOU GET OFF A DVD DISK UNLESS YOU HAVE THE SESSION KEYS WITH IT, YOU CAN'T GET THE SESSION KEYS OFF THE DISK WITH A NORMAL DVD-ROM DRIVE. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!
and I have a natural tendance to want to break open the heads of people who try to apply the 3rd law of thermodynamics to things other then thermodynamics
1) copy all the data files to a hard drive NOT using DeCSS, and make a DIVX copy without DeCSS? I know there are other ways to strip off the encoding
There are no other ways to strip off the encryption. If you don't have DeCSS or a player key, you don't have a movie. What is so hard to understand about that?
As for two, no one sells hardware capable of doing that, at least not comercialy. You can't read the whole keytracks with normal drives, and you cant write to the ketracks on normal DVD-ROM disks.
blank DVD disk have the keytracks burned out. You can put encrypted data on em, but they won't be able to be decrypted again, not even with DeCSS (I think...), so you'll end up with a coster if you try to burn a movie without decrypting it first.
Also, all the DVD-ROM drives have tech in them that prevents you from even reading the keytracks normaly (although you can still get at least one of the keys for the player your using).
So basicaly, you are completly wrong. The situation you've described is exactly what CSS is supposed to prevent, and does, unless you use DeCSS...
Actualy, what they want is to be able to grow a special geneticaly-enginered hemp with the THC or whatever removed. Even then, the plants many uses would be a boon to farmers (or so they think, I'd be willing to bet that if it was legalized, everyone would do it, and prices would go through the floor, but whatever...)
The drug ppl are against it beacuse it would 'send the wrong message', and probably beacuse you could grow the illegal stuff along with the non-narcotic stuff.
it is already possible to copy the media bit for bit and write another copy of DVD to play in any normal DVD player (i don't keep up with DVD writable stuff, but if that capability isn't already there, it will be).
NO IT IS NOT
You would need special hardware, hardware that you can't buy anywhere (at least that I've seen or heard of). Normal DVD-ROM drives can only read one of the keys off the keytrack, not all of them. Without the keytrack, you can't make a duplicate of a DVD. Also, blank DVD media have the keytracks already burned out, so they can't be written to. DeCSS is the only way to get a perfict digital copy of the movie on a normal computer. (but you could use a video in and compress, or something. )
I can't say I was ever that comfortable having 2600 being the ones standing up for us in this case. This is exactly the impression I was afraid of them giving.
Likewise, the originally encrypted version can be duplicated, and you end up with a perfect copy with the encryption intact. The encryption still means you have to decrypt it, but you now have a mechanism whereby the movie producers are not rewarded for their efforts, and DeCSS is not even involved in this. Copying can be done without DeCSS
The encrypted data is worthlesse. And you would need to copy the encrypted-key tracks of the DVD as well (with special hardware, you can't do it with regular stuff). Since you can't get the keytracks normaly, you wouldn't be able to play the copied files ever again, unless you actualy had the disk. I'm not even sure you can use DeCSS to decrypt copied DVDs without the keytracks...
You are allowed to write and display viruses in source form (i think), you just arn't allowed to 'unleash' them. At least in Taiwan anyway, I know the guy who wrote CIH got off, beacuse he didn't actively distribute it.
Nothing in DeCCS makes it easier to illegally use DVDs, unless viewing DVDs is in and of itself illegal in some way (now I guess it is).
This is incorrect, DeCSS gives you the raw MPEG data, witch can then be copied. If you tried to copy an encrypted DVD to the hard drive, you would have nothing but white noise.
The 'licensed' software players can do the same thing as DeCSS ('sort of') but they only dump the MPEG data to the screen, not the hard drive (or wherever else you want it, DeCSS works with UNIX pipes to transfer data). True you could reverse enginer the players, but you could also just undo the encryption, witch is what DeCSS does. but anyway, DeCSS does make it easier (and without it, getting a bit-for-bit copy of a DVD would be imposible)
an "Alma Mater" is a school, spesificaly one you've graduated from. For instance, my Alma Mater is Ames HighSchool, and will eventualy be Iowa State. Literaly "mother school", the school you came from
Our democracy is already being baught and sold,
We might as well be the ones getting the money:). I doubt it will work, though (except maybe in key, close states...) its probably cheaper to buy america in bulk then each individual person...
One could say the labour unions have been doing something similar to this for a while, and maybe the Christian Coalition as well.
Would be if windows just dissapeared after a few minutes of dissuse. You could set something so that it would stay if you wanted it, but I always end up with tons of windows that I'm not using still open, cluttering up the taskbar.
In a lot of ways, I don't really think that that stuff works on the unix filesystem. Its mostly a ton of programs in the 'bin' directory, stuff in the usr and etc directories... I don't know its just not the same
Folders and docs work for your actual user files and stuff (although, most computer users don't actualy use that stuff, they throw everything on the desktop, or in a few folders)
I honestly don't see anything new this eazel stuff, It looks like the 'web-view' mode of windows 98/2000's explorer.
Windows is setup so you can use the keyboard for everything as well. Its ironic that an OS witch is primarily command-line based can't be used without having the mouse plugged in (unless you don't run any kind of GUI at all, at least in any of the default distro setups I've ever tried)
I have to say I agree with the author of the thread as well. A filemanager, whoopdee whooo! Who gives a fuck, really? There are about a billion ways to manage files on Linux, and I don't need to do it that often, especially on Linux.
I guess it goes to show, just beacuse you figured out something cool, dosn't mean you'll ever be able to do think anything else up...
Wow, thanks for posting that to slashdot as opposed to emailing me. I can only assume that you're an immature idiot who's attempting to bug me, or something.
I will continue to write, if you have a spesific problem with the work, I can see about changing it. In the meantime, you can simply not read it...
And for anyone out there, here is a more representative excerpt
5:34:17.
The afternoon.
And gray rain clouds boiled overhead. She wished the rain would wash away the filth, but she knew that that wouldn't happen. It was ingrained in the place, to the core. And over the years that it had embedded itself it became vital to the place. The new structures were built on top of it, and the people had become like the rats that hid in the shadows, and they feed off it to.
She was eating a small package of the ambiguously trademarked 'Ice-cream, isn't it' (it was, technically). It was peach flavored, and as they rode she would dig into it with a small pink plastic spoon, and then place the spoon in her mouth. When the spoon was away from her, in the package, she could smell the decay here, the filth. The sweat and urine and shit and sex, and the forgotten rotting food in the brown brick apartment buildings, built long ago to maximize the population density.
And when the spoon was under her nose she could only smell peaches. She thought that peaches came from Georgia, but she wasn't quite sure (The one in North America, not Eastern Europe.). And she could see the rows and rows of green trees in green fields with yellow/orange peaches backdropped by the yellow/orange setting sun. She wasn't really sure that peaches even grew on trees though, and there probably weren't really any peaches in the Ice-cream, isn't it anyway.
Hashimoto was driving, and another agent, Myoki was in the back.
"So, why are we doing this during the day anyway?" Myoki asked, directing the question to Hashimoto.
"This place doesn't sleep." Hatori answered. And then added "It might even be more alive at night." She took another bite of Ice-cream, isn't it. "But the rain will keep them inside. That's why we waited until today."
"Plus, if he's like any computer-geek I've ever met he's probably going be awake most of the night anyway," Hashimoto said. Hatori smiled when she heard this and took another bite of Ice-cream isn't it.
I think I read that suck artical, those people are at a pretty big disjunkt from reality. It may be a little late, but I don't really we should ceed the entire browser market to Microsoft...
We don't know how bad things are in north korea, but here are some pictures of hungry children. -- CNN
So, they're basicaly turning off Cache chips when they don't need them? Not exactly groundbreaking... What Iv'e always thought would be cool would be to change the clockspeed (and as a result, the powerconsumption, heat) of a computer. I used to be able to change jumpers on my motherboard, changing the bus speed from 66 to 75 without crashing the computer, so I'm pretty sure this could be posible.
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It may be 'fairly obvious' but its still wrong. Really I have no idea why people belive that. without using DeCSS or CSS you can copy worthless random data, but you can't do shit with it unless you have the decryption keys. YOU CANNOT GET THE DECRYPTION KEYS WITHOUT DECSS, OR A CSS LICENSE WITH NORMAL HARDWARE And I've never heard of anyone, anywhere selling software that can read the keytracks of DVDs.
let me repeat YOU CAN'T USE ENCRYPTED DATA YOU GET OFF A DVD DISK UNLESS YOU HAVE THE SESSION KEYS WITH IT, YOU CAN'T GET THE SESSION KEYS OFF THE DISK WITH A NORMAL DVD-ROM DRIVE. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!
It is posible to put unencrypted video on a DVD disk you know, supposedly most porn comes this way since the porn companies can afford the CSS stuff.
and I have a natural tendance to want to break open the heads of people who try to apply the 3rd law of thermodynamics to things other then thermodynamics
1) copy all the data files to a hard drive NOT using DeCSS, and make a DIVX copy without DeCSS? I know there are other ways to strip off the encoding
There are no other ways to strip off the encryption. If you don't have DeCSS or a player key, you don't have a movie. What is so hard to understand about that?
As for two, no one sells hardware capable of doing that, at least not comercialy. You can't read the whole keytracks with normal drives, and you cant write to the ketracks on normal DVD-ROM disks.
blank DVD disk have the keytracks burned out. You can put encrypted data on em, but they won't be able to be decrypted again, not even with DeCSS (I think...), so you'll end up with a coster if you try to burn a movie without decrypting it first.
Also, all the DVD-ROM drives have tech in them that prevents you from even reading the keytracks normaly (although you can still get at least one of the keys for the player your using).
So basicaly, you are completly wrong. The situation you've described is exactly what CSS is supposed to prevent, and does, unless you use DeCSS...
Everyone who cares already has the code, and can make a donnation to the EFF on their own.
Actualy, what they want is to be able to grow a special geneticaly-enginered hemp with the THC or whatever removed. Even then, the plants many uses would be a boon to farmers (or so they think, I'd be willing to bet that if it was legalized, everyone would do it, and prices would go through the floor, but whatever...)
The drug ppl are against it beacuse it would 'send the wrong message', and probably beacuse you could grow the illegal stuff along with the non-narcotic stuff.
it is already possible to copy the media bit for bit and write another copy of DVD to play in any normal DVD player (i don't keep up with DVD writable stuff, but if that capability isn't already there, it will be).
NO IT IS NOT
You would need special hardware, hardware that you can't buy anywhere (at least that I've seen or heard of). Normal DVD-ROM drives can only read one of the keys off the keytrack, not all of them. Without the keytrack, you can't make a duplicate of a DVD. Also, blank DVD media have the keytracks already burned out, so they can't be written to. DeCSS is the only way to get a perfict digital copy of the movie on a normal computer. (but you could use a video in and compress, or something. )
Why shouldn't we all be willing to sacrafice freedom of speach for some good movies! GIVE ME BREAD AND CIRCUSIS, DAMNIT!!!!!!
I can't say I was ever that comfortable having 2600 being the ones standing up for us in this case. This is exactly the impression I was afraid of them giving.
Well, they were hand-picked by the MPAA....
Likewise, the originally encrypted version can be duplicated, and you end up with a perfect copy with the encryption intact. The encryption still means you have to decrypt it, but you now have a mechanism whereby the movie producers are not rewarded for their efforts, and DeCSS is not even involved in this. Copying can be done without DeCSS
The encrypted data is worthlesse. And you would need to copy the encrypted-key tracks of the DVD as well (with special hardware, you can't do it with regular stuff). Since you can't get the keytracks normaly, you wouldn't be able to play the copied files ever again, unless you actualy had the disk. I'm not even sure you can use DeCSS to decrypt copied DVDs without the keytracks...
the pro-choisers destroyed the pro-lifers stuff, not the other way around, at least thats what linzeal said...
You are allowed to write and display viruses in source form (i think), you just arn't allowed to 'unleash' them. At least in Taiwan anyway, I know the guy who wrote CIH got off, beacuse he didn't actively distribute it.
anyone know how much it will cost to make a few million copy's at kinko's
Hundreds of thousands of dolars... why?
Nothing in DeCCS makes it easier to illegally use DVDs, unless viewing DVDs is in and of itself illegal in some way (now I guess it is).
This is incorrect, DeCSS gives you the raw MPEG data, witch can then be copied. If you tried to copy an encrypted DVD to the hard drive, you would have nothing but white noise.
The 'licensed' software players can do the same thing as DeCSS ('sort of') but they only dump the MPEG data to the screen, not the hard drive (or wherever else you want it, DeCSS works with UNIX pipes to transfer data). True you could reverse enginer the players, but you could also just undo the encryption, witch is what DeCSS does. but anyway, DeCSS does make it easier (and without it, getting a bit-for-bit copy of a DVD would be imposible)
an "Alma Mater" is a school, spesificaly one you've graduated from. For instance, my Alma Mater is Ames HighSchool, and will eventualy be Iowa State. Literaly "mother school", the school you came from
I think you're thinking of "school song"
(hint: before you go telling me how wrong I am, think about it for a second.)
Why do people put up these annoying little disclaimers? noone is that stupid
does it hurt to be so stupid, or were you being sarcastic and me one of the humorless bastards that I hate so much on /.?
Our democracy is already being baught and sold, We might as well be the ones getting the money :). I doubt it will work, though (except maybe in key, close states...) its probably cheaper to buy america in bulk then each individual person...
One could say the labour unions have been doing something similar to this for a while, and maybe the Christian Coalition as well.
Would be if windows just dissapeared after a few minutes of dissuse. You could set something so that it would stay if you wanted it, but I always end up with tons of windows that I'm not using still open, cluttering up the taskbar.
In a lot of ways, I don't really think that that stuff works on the unix filesystem. Its mostly a ton of programs in the 'bin' directory, stuff in the usr and etc directories... I don't know its just not the same
Folders and docs work for your actual user files and stuff (although, most computer users don't actualy use that stuff, they throw everything on the desktop, or in a few folders)
I honestly don't see anything new this eazel stuff, It looks like the 'web-view' mode of windows 98/2000's explorer.
Windows is setup so you can use the keyboard for everything as well. Its ironic that an OS witch is primarily command-line based can't be used without having the mouse plugged in (unless you don't run any kind of GUI at all, at least in any of the default distro setups I've ever tried)
I have to say I agree with the author of the thread as well. A filemanager, whoopdee whooo! Who gives a fuck, really? There are about a billion ways to manage files on Linux, and I don't need to do it that often, especially on Linux.
I guess it goes to show, just beacuse you figured out something cool, dosn't mean you'll ever be able to do think anything else up...
Wow, thanks for posting that to slashdot as opposed to emailing me. I can only assume that you're an immature idiot who's attempting to bug me, or something.
I will continue to write, if you have a spesific problem with the work, I can see about changing it. In the meantime, you can simply not read it...
And for anyone out there, here is a more representative excerpt
5:34:17.
The afternoon.
And gray rain clouds boiled overhead. She wished the rain would wash away the filth, but she knew that that wouldn't happen. It was ingrained in the place, to the core. And over the years that it had embedded itself it became vital to the place. The new structures were built on top of it, and the people had become like the rats that hid in the shadows, and they feed off it to.
She was eating a small package of the ambiguously trademarked 'Ice-cream, isn't it' (it was, technically). It was peach flavored, and as they rode she would dig into it with a small pink plastic spoon, and then place the spoon in her mouth. When the spoon was away from her, in the package, she could smell the decay here, the filth. The sweat and urine and shit and sex, and the forgotten rotting food in the brown brick apartment buildings, built long ago to maximize the population density.
And when the spoon was under her nose she could only smell peaches. She thought that peaches came from Georgia, but she wasn't quite sure (The one in North America, not Eastern Europe.). And she could see the rows and rows of green trees in green fields with yellow/orange peaches backdropped by the yellow/orange setting sun. She wasn't really sure that peaches even grew on trees though, and there probably weren't really any peaches in the Ice-cream, isn't it anyway.
Hashimoto was driving, and another agent, Myoki was in the back.
"So, why are we doing this during the day anyway?" Myoki asked, directing the question to Hashimoto.
"This place doesn't sleep." Hatori answered. And then added "It might even be more alive at night." She took another bite of Ice-cream, isn't it. "But the rain will keep them inside. That's why we waited until today."
"Plus, if he's like any computer-geek I've ever met he's probably going be awake most of the night anyway," Hashimoto said. Hatori smiled when she heard this and took another bite of Ice-cream isn't it.
I think I read that suck artical, those people are at a pretty big disjunkt from reality. It may be a little late, but I don't really we should ceed the entire browser market to Microsoft...
We don't know how bad things are in north korea, but here are some pictures of hungry children. -- CNN
So, they're basicaly turning off Cache chips when they don't need them? Not exactly groundbreaking... What Iv'e always thought would be cool would be to change the clockspeed (and as a result, the powerconsumption, heat) of a computer. I used to be able to change jumpers on my motherboard, changing the bus speed from 66 to 75 without crashing the computer, so I'm pretty sure this could be posible.