By the way, what makes everything Apple makes inherently bad, as you seem to imply? For that matter, what features is the QuickTime player missing?
Well, how about a "save" button? Its pretty irritating to download somthing off the 'net for two hours, only to have to download it again if you want to see it again. I was able to 'hack' the HTML and get the starwars trailer for myself back in my modem days, but it was still irritating. Also, Apple aperantly decided that it's player was so great, that it should be used for everything else as well! After all, I'm sure apple knows more about the PNG format then IE or netscape, right? Of course, since qucktime dosn't have a save, now I can't save PNG files without some work.
I don't have quicktime installed, and I doubt I ever will again. I want to use the programs that I think are good, not the ones apple choses.
Now, this excludes Windows, which is obviously required to use QT4. I could buy a Mac and end that controversy, but that's not a reasonable cost at this time.
Windows NT dosn't work well enough for you but MacOS does? what the hell crack are you smoking? NT is a hell of a lot cheaper the the overprice iMAC (yeh, $1,500 for somthing a $900 PC could do).
I rebooted my mac system more times the first weekend than I have rebooted all the WinNT systems I have ever owned
That's what John Carmak said when he started working on the Quake 2 port of quake 3. Repeat after me: mac OS is not better then Windows NT.
Ok, now sit back and watch some MacHead moderate me down as 'Troll'
But the QuickTime player is a fairly hardcore MacOS app,
Well, they didn't have any trouble porting to windows, did they? I remember reading in One of John Carmak's plan files that Porting between windows and Linux was pretty easy, because both were pretty much modern, OSs (I think protected memory was the main thing that he said he needed. Quake doesn't use threads).
A video player doesn't really seem like something that would be hard to port from one OS to another, I mean, all it has to do is draw to the screen and read from the hard drive, right?
The only thing they wouldn't be able to take from the windows version is the tendency to absolutely rape the file associations, for both Windows Explorer, and Internet Explorer. Reassociating everything from MP3s to PNG files with itself. I won't install QuickTime because of it (or realplayer for that matter). Apparently, Apple and Real don't want people 'pirating' the content in there format, so you can't even right-click and save a PNG when QT's installed. I don't see how they'd be able to do something like this in Linux. And that's a good thing:)
Hrm, A bit after the starwars trailer came out, I remember reading that sorensen wanted to have a Linux player or somthing, but that there licens with apple prevented that. So, at least acording to them, it was apple not sorensen who was keeping quicktime from Linux.
Get an account, and set your parameters acordingly (unless you have one and posted anon). I read at -1 always, but I would think that at +1 or +2 you wouldn't have much to worry about.
I don't think you'd really get that much money off your home computers, for two reasons. Even the baddest ass Athlon box is still way, way behind the really powerful vector-accelerated super computers. Beowulf clusters with 500 or more nodes rarely get in in the top 50 supercomputers.
So, you might make $20 or $30 a month, at current rates. But if everyone was able to sell there CPU cycles on a free market, I doubt you would even be able to make that much. Think about it, how much processing really needs to be done? You probably only own a few hundred millionths of the total CPU power in the world. I just don't think it would be worth it.
Gee, For a while I felt terrible. Then I rememberd that I don't live my life based on lame slashdot posts by ACs who can't even come up with a relivent sentance. You're 31337, man
I also wonder what American Pie has to do with DeCSS, since it came out before DeCSS existed? Nothing, obviously. and as I said, I got it 3 weeks before it came out in theaters.
Of course pirating is happening. If you've been paying attention many people have pointed out that pirating is easy, unstoppable, and doesn't need DeCSS.
DeCSS makes it easier.
I'm not sure you fully understand your own point or even morality here.
My point is only that you need DeCSS to get a Digital copy of the movie on your hard drive. Basically that DeCSS Copying the encrypted data off the disk gets you nothing! I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. The only moral point that I'm trying to make, at this point, is that you shouldn't lie to bolster your position, and that its bad for general knowledge to get so far removed from reality.
And as for my morals, I understand those just fine. I understand that it's 'wrong' on some level to pirate videos. But on a relative scale, a single act of piracy is so insignificant that it's not worth it to not do it.
Hrm, I've got a feeling that this is a troll (I've been reading the troll boards to much, I think, its making me paranoid).
But incase it isn't, Let me say. Kevin Mitnick did surrender his right to use a computer. His choice was to stay in jail (w/o computer) or go free (w/o computer). He chose to go free. Its an agreement between Mitnick and the Gov.
Well, I wouldn't think that they'd be able to brute force it in 5 years... You'd figure that someone like KM would use more then PKzip encryption.... That said, it just seems like the government wants to rape Kevin up the Ass some more. There basically saying "If we can't have it, you can't have it, nener nener nener" That's like something a little kid would do.
The other thing is, if these guys haven't been able to crack the crypto then it proves that it's Not evidence, at least in its current form. While I'm sure the government does it all the time, it's not legal for them to keep your stuff If its not evidence. If the encrypted data is not evidence, then they have no right to keep it from him.
Now, what Kevin Mintnik plans to do with reams of encrypted and no computer is beyond me... (does he think he can run DES in his head?)
far as Mitnick not turning over the key for fear of prosecution, he would be safe from that under the double jeopardy clause, stating he can't be tried twice for the same crime
True, but what if theres evidence of *other* crimes....
Some people believe that it is economically unfeasible to pirate a DVD at full quality. And yes this is probably true right now. However, with better (wavelet?) compression, fatter pipes, and bigger hard drives, in the future it will not be.
I've read through all the source I could get my hands on, but I wasn't sure if what I was looking at was DeCSS or css-auth. The source files said 'css-auth.c' and css-auth.h' etc, so I'm not sure. Is this css-auth, or DeCSS? (or is css-auth just a part of LiViD)?
And as for pirating VCDs, trust me, its happening. I got a copy of American Pie 3 weeks before it came out in theaters. I got my 'good' copy of the matrix about a month before the DVD release. A friend of mine, who at the time still had an analog modem would go to public computer labs and span the files on 10 or so zip disks. Go to #vcd on efnet and tell me then that it isn't happening.
Judging by your copying philosophies, you must not produce software or any other information form, because you'd just give it away.
You mean like linux?
If I slaved away on a book for 2 years, I would be pissed as hell if the whole world copied it for free.
Well, I wouldn't If the whole world was copying my book, and millions, billions, of people were reading it, I'd be pretty fucking happy. But thats just me.
Anyway, the reason that we do this is altruism. We don't care about the record/movie companies, but we do care about are frends. Also by trading mp3s/warez/moviez we get more in return. I hope this answers your question.
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By the way, what makes everything Apple makes inherently bad, as you seem to imply? For that matter, what features is the QuickTime player missing?
Well, how about a "save" button? Its pretty irritating to download somthing off the 'net for two hours, only to have to download it again if you want to see it again. I was able to 'hack' the HTML and get the starwars trailer for myself back in my modem days, but it was still irritating. Also, Apple aperantly decided that it's player was so great, that it should be used for everything else as well! After all, I'm sure apple knows more about the PNG format then IE or netscape, right? Of course, since qucktime dosn't have a save, now I can't save PNG files without some work.
I don't have quicktime installed, and I doubt I ever will again. I want to use the programs that I think are good, not the ones apple choses.
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That's what John Carmak said when he started working on the Quake 2 port of quake 3. Repeat after me: mac OS is not better then Windows NT.
Change Quake2 in that sentance to MacOS, so that it makes sense...
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Now, this excludes Windows, which is obviously required to use QT4. I could buy a Mac and end that controversy, but that's not a reasonable cost at this time.
Windows NT dosn't work well enough for you but MacOS does? what the hell crack are you smoking? NT is a hell of a lot cheaper the the overprice iMAC (yeh, $1,500 for somthing a $900 PC could do).
I rebooted my mac system more times the first weekend than I have rebooted all the WinNT systems I have ever owned
That's what John Carmak said when he started working on the Quake 2 port of quake 3. Repeat after me: mac OS is not better then Windows NT.
Ok, now sit back and watch some MacHead moderate me down as 'Troll'
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But the QuickTime player is a fairly hardcore MacOS app,
:)
Well, they didn't have any trouble porting to windows, did they? I remember reading in One of John Carmak's plan files that Porting between windows and Linux was pretty easy, because both were pretty much modern, OSs (I think protected memory was the main thing that he said he needed. Quake doesn't use threads).
A video player doesn't really seem like something that would be hard to port from one OS to another, I mean, all it has to do is draw to the screen and read from the hard drive, right?
The only thing they wouldn't be able to take from the windows version is the tendency to absolutely rape the file associations, for both Windows Explorer, and Internet Explorer. Reassociating everything from MP3s to PNG files with itself. I won't install QuickTime because of it (or realplayer for that matter). Apparently, Apple and Real don't want people 'pirating' the content in there format, so you can't even right-click and save a PNG when QT's installed. I don't see how they'd be able to do something like this in Linux. And that's a good thing
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Hrm, A bit after the starwars trailer came out, I remember reading that sorensen wanted to have a Linux player or somthing, but that there licens with apple prevented that. So, at least acording to them, it was apple not sorensen who was keeping quicktime from Linux.
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Security by Obscurity?
I think the above poster was simply referring to legal maneuvering. The only alternative would be to have no security at all.
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Get an account, and set your parameters acordingly (unless you have one and posted anon). I read at -1 always, but I would think that at +1 or +2 you wouldn't have much to worry about.
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I don't think you'd really get that much money off your home computers, for two reasons. Even the baddest ass Athlon box is still way, way behind the really powerful vector-accelerated super computers. Beowulf clusters with 500 or more nodes rarely get in in the top 50 supercomputers.
So, you might make $20 or $30 a month, at current rates. But if everyone was able to sell there CPU cycles on a free market, I doubt you would even be able to make that much. Think about it, how much processing really needs to be done? You probably only own a few hundred millionths of the total CPU power in the world. I just don't think it would be worth it.
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Gee, For a while I felt terrible. Then I rememberd that I don't live my life based on lame slashdot posts by ACs who can't even come up with a relivent sentance. You're 31337, man
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Sorry, I made a pretty big typo in that post.
Basically that DeCSS Copying the encrypted data off the disk gets you nothing!
The word DeCSS should not be in that sentance at all.
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I also wonder what American Pie has to do with DeCSS, since it came out before DeCSS existed? Nothing, obviously. and as I said, I got it 3 weeks before it came out in theaters.
Of course pirating is happening. If you've been paying attention many people have pointed out that pirating is easy, unstoppable, and doesn't need DeCSS.
DeCSS makes it easier.
I'm not sure you fully understand your own point or even morality here.
My point is only that you need DeCSS to get a Digital copy of the movie on your hard drive. Basically that DeCSS Copying the encrypted data off the disk gets you nothing! I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. The only moral point that I'm trying to make, at this point, is that you shouldn't lie to bolster your position, and that its bad for general knowledge to get so far removed from reality.
And as for my morals, I understand those just fine. I understand that it's 'wrong' on some level to pirate videos. But on a relative scale, a single act of piracy is so insignificant that it's not worth it to not do it.
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The exsistance of those files could encrimate you, if you don't turn over the key... And how would you turn over the key?
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maybe its a simple crack if you know some key things, and he's going to print it in hex and work it by hand. Whatever.
He's only prohibited from using a computer for 3 years, I think. It would take a lot longer then 3 years to decrypt a gigabyte of stuff...
Anyway, how's he gonna print it out if he can't use a computer (in person or proxy)
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Hrm, I've got a feeling that this is a troll (I've been reading the troll boards to much, I think, its making me paranoid).
But incase it isn't, Let me say. Kevin Mitnick did surrender his right to use a computer. His choice was to stay in jail (w/o computer) or go free (w/o computer). He chose to go free. Its an agreement between Mitnick and the Gov.
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Well, I wouldn't think that they'd be able to brute force it in 5 years... You'd figure that someone like KM would use more then PKzip encryption.... That said, it just seems like the government wants to rape Kevin up the Ass some more. There basically saying "If we can't have it, you can't have it, nener nener nener" That's like something a little kid would do.
The other thing is, if these guys haven't been able to crack the crypto then it proves that it's Not evidence, at least in its current form. While I'm sure the government does it all the time, it's not legal for them to keep your stuff If its not evidence. If the encrypted data is not evidence, then they have no right to keep it from him.
Now, what Kevin Mintnik plans to do with reams of encrypted and no computer is beyond me... (does he think he can run DES in his head?)
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far as Mitnick not turning over the key for fear of prosecution, he would be safe from that under the double jeopardy clause, stating he can't be tried twice for the same crime
True, but what if theres evidence of *other* crimes....
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I learned about Locke in higschool... american education.....
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I wonder if this isn't just an attempt to get 'back in our favor' after the whole thing where they basicaly posted microsoft written material...
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Some people believe that it is economically unfeasible to pirate a DVD at full quality. And yes this is probably true right now. However, with better (wavelet?) compression, fatter pipes, and bigger hard drives, in the future it will not be.
I've read through all the source I could get my hands on, but I wasn't sure if what I was looking at was DeCSS or css-auth. The source files said 'css-auth.c' and css-auth.h' etc, so I'm not sure. Is this css-auth, or DeCSS? (or is css-auth just a part of LiViD)?
And as for pirating VCDs, trust me, its happening. I got a copy of American Pie 3 weeks before it came out in theaters. I got my 'good' copy of the matrix about a month before the DVD release. A friend of mine, who at the time still had an analog modem would go to public computer labs and span the files on 10 or so zip disks. Go to #vcd on efnet and tell me then that it isn't happening.
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thats good
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DeCSS unentrypts the data on a DVD disk, and writes that data to a hard drive.
If you don't belive me, you can download it, and see for your self.
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As I understand it, you can watch that illegally copied DVD with a licensed Windows player which has its own CSS authentication method.
Ok:
I copy the data the encrypted data off a DVD disk
I transfer the file to a windows computer
I play file with windows software.
If that is what the statement means, then I have not mis-read his post.
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Judging by your copying philosophies, you must not produce software or any other information form, because you'd just give it away.
You mean like linux?
If I slaved away on a book for 2 years, I would be pissed as hell if the whole world copied it for free.
Well, I wouldn't If the whole world was copying my book, and millions, billions, of people were reading it, I'd be pretty fucking happy. But thats just me.
Anyway, the reason that we do this is altruism. We don't care about the record/movie companies, but we do care about are frends. Also by trading mp3s/warez/moviez we get more in return. I hope this answers your question.
Although some people belive in the Ayn Rand Capitalist Utopia, others do not.
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the MPAA is the motion picture Assoc. of america. The MPA is the Motion Picture Assoc. Got to MPAA.org to find out more
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