Don't get me wrong, I don't think that what the DVDCCA is doint is morraly right, All that I am saying is that without DeCSS, or some serious hardware bit-for-bit copys can't be done.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Once, and if they win this case they will have no trouble shutting down the sites. Most ISPs will comply, so getting it in the US won't be hard. I've got my copy from Sig11's mirror, And I'm keeping it. This does really not look good
The problem is, while to us the C code is as clear as english, most other people think of program code the way they think of macines, and they have had no trouble getting those banned, witness the DSS "test-card" issue, that's really only reprograming the small computer in a DSS satilite card, but it's illigal.
If judges feel that it's a device and not an idea then were fucked, and it becomes completly illigal. No, they won't beable to whipe it from the net, that's for sure, but they can kill effectively kill projects like LiViD. Red Hat isn't going to put illigal code in there main distro. SuSe isn't going to put somthing in that would get it banned in the US.
If the DVDCCA wins this, and they might, the effects will not be good...
Once you've eliminated the corporate taxes and compliance costs that are embedded into the price, the retail cost of most goods, including the national tax, will be roughly the same
Hrm, I doubt thats correct. However, if it were true then the government would be getting the same amount of money from products as they are now, acsept no Income tax. So while the government looses a huge revinue stream it would gain nothing.
Or did I missread you, and you are actualy stating that the price after a national sales tax would not be the same?
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Before you get sucked in by Steve's Flat Tax plan, think about the personal benefit it will be to Mr. Forbes.
Why the hell should I care what the effects of a flat tax are to steive Forbs? I care about the effect of the tax on three things. How the poor will be taxed, how much money the government will loose/gain, and how much I'll have to pay. Since Forbs isn't poor, I see no reason to pay atention to how much he will benifit-loose by any tax plan.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
You don't need to skip the simpsons, unless you've got a ratings box, in witch case, just go somewhere else to watch the show, so that it's not reported. Also, don't buy the products advertized. TV isn't like the web, they don't know if your watching, unless you tell them
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Nothing can prevent copying of information, ever. If you can see and hear it, you can record it. The only thing you can do is make it more difficult. Unfortunetly the CSS dosn't make things very hard...
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
The encryption provides NO protection against copying, with or without DeCSS.
A normal DVD player cannot read the entire disk with normal DiskIO functions. Only when the movie is played can the data be recoverd. You can bit-for-bit the encrypted stuff, but it isn't going to do you any good without the key part.
I know this is pretty much common knowledge around here,
Yes it is, witch is weird, beacuse its not true. In order to get a true bit-for-bit copy, you'd need to rewire the DVD player internaly, or build your own.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
If you don't think your posts are worth +2, then check the box that says "No Score +1 Bonus", Check my user info, and you'll see that most of my posts are +1, but this one is not... see?
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Does is mean "a state of being, currently, right now" or does it mean "a state of being, now, and at any time in the past".
Does is mean "is" or "was". Well, it means "is". And that's what Clinton said. Don't get me wrong, I think the guy's a creep, but the fact is he was correct in his use of the word 'is'. If we use the real definition of is, clinton was not liyng. I personaly think both clinton and starr commited immorral acts of near equal wrongness, however Clinton was correct about the definition of "is".
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
it won't matter a drap whether or not Linux CSS decryption exists. You can still copy it bit-by-bit.
You cannot make a bit-for-bit copy with normaly available technology, DVD players are incapable of reading the key aria under normal circumstances. You'd need hard-core pro equipment in order to do it, if its posible to it at all.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Someone like George W. Bush would make a better choice about freedom
Whatever, that fundi-fuck would just as soon stomp all over your freedoms if it ment more votes from the Chirstian Coalition, or more money from ExxonMobil/AOL-Timewarner or whoever.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Scientists can run the same model with and without different effects, such as factories, rain forest burning, cars, etc. And the current best models show that there will be a significant difference depending on such factors.
There are certan things we don't know about the effects of greenhouse gasses. But we can guess. By changing the guesses, the effect of man-made polutants can be anywhere from 0 to a huge amount. Regardless of, cars, factories, whatever.
Anyway, if the earth gets to hot, all we need to do is insert some particulates to reflect the sun's light a bit before its hits the earth. Cooling the earth isn't reall even a problem.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
In a flat tax system, the poor, and lower middle class pay no taxies whatsoever, beacuse the first $x is not taxed. Under the current Forbs plan, x = $20,000, more if you have kids. A lot of people don't know this, and it can only be exsplained by the fact that they are idiots.
The rich will probably pay more money, but less persentages. The people paying the most will be the upper middle class, forwhom $20,000 is not a significant amount of there total income.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Oh, and for future reference: don't support anyone who thinks the flat tax will solve all of your problems. They're morons. All it does is change the current (progressive) bracket system with a simpler, flat/regressive one. A better solution would be a national sales tax with exemptions for food / clothing / books, but I don't think people realize how large it would have to be.
*sigh* it's amazing how uninformed people are. You don't want a flat tax beacuse it's regressive (not true) but you think a sales tax won't be? Are you crazy? Think about man, the less people have, the more % of there money they spend. Poor people want to buy more then food/clothing/books. A national sales tax, and suddenly getting computers to inner-city students just got 20%-30% more difficult. Talk about tech stratification. Meanwhile, Mr Rich spends a little of his (untaxed)money, and puts the rest in stocks and intrest berring bank acounts. He'd probably end up only spending about 2% of his income in taxes, wheras a low income person will spend almost the tax rate % of there income.
Oh, and no Flat-tax plan actualy flat. in general, the first $20,000 is not taxed. (plus $5,000 more per dependend). So a family of making $38,000 a year would only pay 17% of $3,000 -- $510. Not $6460.
A flat tax is by definition nither progressive or regresive. All flat tax 'plans' are progressive. A sales tax will certanly be extremely regressive.
but that said, I'm glad to see that you felt you could critize something that you obviously never even bothered to look up. I mean, why would you want to actualy know somthing, when its just as easy to spout of without knowing anything at all!?!?!
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Well, after the Stevens-death story was trolled insainly, Rob instituted "troll protection", whereby an IP will be banned for a few days if the poster get's more then -5 moderations in a few hours or somthing.
I guess this guy just spammed the hell out of it before he got -5. After that though, he probably stopped... Unless he was on a dynamic IP...
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Slashdot Mirror
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that what the DVDCCA is doint is morraly right, All that I am saying is that without DeCSS, or some serious hardware bit-for-bit copys can't be done.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
This could be an opportunity for AOL to get some serious 'karma' in the Online community, now that they've merged with one of the studios and all
I would think that "the good will of the people" is probably worth a lot more to them now then the piracy of a few WB movies
Of course this morning, I thought that the lawsuit was completly idiotic to begin with...
[ c h a d o k e r e ]
Once, and if they win this case they will have no trouble shutting down the sites. Most ISPs will comply, so getting it in the US won't be hard. I've got my copy from Sig11's mirror, And I'm keeping it. This does really not look good
The problem is, while to us the C code is as clear as english, most other people think of program code the way they think of macines, and they have had no trouble getting those banned, witness the DSS "test-card" issue, that's really only reprograming the small computer in a DSS satilite card, but it's illigal.
If judges feel that it's a device and not an idea then were fucked, and it becomes completly illigal. No, they won't beable to whipe it from the net, that's for sure, but they can kill effectively kill projects like LiViD. Red Hat isn't going to put illigal code in there main distro. SuSe isn't going to put somthing in that would get it banned in the US.
If the DVDCCA wins this, and they might, the effects will not be good...
[ c h a d o k e r e ]
Once you've eliminated the corporate taxes and compliance costs that are embedded into the price, the retail cost of most goods, including the national tax, will be roughly the same
Hrm, I doubt thats correct. However, if it were true then the government would be getting the same amount of money from products as they are now, acsept no Income tax. So while the government looses a huge revinue stream it would gain nothing.
Or did I missread you, and you are actualy stating that the price after a national sales tax would not be the same?
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Before you get sucked in by Steve's Flat Tax plan, think about the personal benefit it will be to Mr. Forbes.
Why the hell should I care what the effects of a flat tax are to steive Forbs? I care about the effect of the tax on three things. How the poor will be taxed, how much money the government will loose/gain, and how much I'll have to pay. Since Forbs isn't poor, I see no reason to pay atention to how much he will benifit-loose by any tax plan.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
http://www.eff.org/ip/Video/DVDCCA_case/dvd-bogk.h tml
Read and find out for yourself
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
You don't need to skip the simpsons, unless you've got a ratings box, in witch case, just go somewhere else to watch the show, so that it's not reported. Also, don't buy the products advertized. TV isn't like the web, they don't know if your watching, unless you tell them
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Nothing can prevent copying of information, ever. If you can see and hear it, you can record it. The only thing you can do is make it more difficult. Unfortunetly the CSS dosn't make things very hard...
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
What is wrong with you?
The encryption provides NO protection against copying, with or without DeCSS.
A normal DVD player cannot read the entire disk with normal DiskIO functions. Only when the movie is played can the data be recoverd. You can bit-for-bit the encrypted stuff, but it isn't going to do you any good without the key part.
I know this is pretty much common knowledge around here,
Yes it is, witch is weird, beacuse its not true. In order to get a true bit-for-bit copy, you'd need to rewire the DVD player internaly, or build your own.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
The downside: End User License Agreements for DVDs.
License Agreements are just that, agreements. They are not legialy binding in anyway.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
If you don't think your posts are worth +2, then check the box that says "No Score +1 Bonus", Check my user info, and you'll see that most of my posts are +1, but this one is not... see?
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Does is mean "a state of being, currently, right now" or does it mean "a state of being, now, and at any time in the past".
Does is mean "is" or "was". Well, it means "is". And that's what Clinton said. Don't get me wrong, I think the guy's a creep, but the fact is he was correct in his use of the word 'is'. If we use the real definition of is, clinton was not liyng. I personaly think both clinton and starr commited immorral acts of near equal wrongness, however Clinton was correct about the definition of "is".
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
it won't matter a drap whether or not Linux CSS decryption exists. You can still copy it bit-by-bit.
You cannot make a bit-for-bit copy with normaly available technology, DVD players are incapable of reading the key aria under normal circumstances. You'd need hard-core pro equipment in order to do it, if its posible to it at all.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
I think it was the term used if if you got killed by someones gernaid in q1
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
you could have saved yourself a lot of trouble if you would have just gone to netcraft, or looked at the post a few above you.
I know, I know, its not as fun as doing it yourself. But anyway, McCain Uses IRIX. pretty weird.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
No one has claimed that he didn't. Including The man himself
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
http://www.selectsmart.com/PRESIDENT/
This votey thing matched me up with some guy from the natural-law party first. Then henry brown, and Bill bradly. Lots of options for lil-guys.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Someone like George W. Bush would make a better choice about freedom
Whatever, that fundi-fuck would just as soon stomp all over your freedoms if it ment more votes from the Chirstian Coalition, or more money from ExxonMobil/AOL-Timewarner or whoever.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Libertariansm is intelectualy immature.
Now prove me wrong, you randite faciests.
(I'm probably going to eat karma for this, but I want to see what kind of replies I get...)
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Scientists can run the same model with and without different effects, such as factories, rain forest burning, cars, etc. And the current best models show that there will be a significant difference depending on such factors.
There are certan things we don't know about the effects of greenhouse gasses. But we can guess. By changing the guesses, the effect of man-made polutants can be anywhere from 0 to a huge amount. Regardless of, cars, factories, whatever.
Anyway, if the earth gets to hot, all we need to do is insert some particulates to reflect the sun's light a bit before its hits the earth. Cooling the earth isn't reall even a problem.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
In a flat tax system, the poor, and lower middle class pay no taxies whatsoever, beacuse the first $x is not taxed. Under the current Forbs plan, x = $20,000, more if you have kids. A lot of people don't know this, and it can only be exsplained by the fact that they are idiots.
The rich will probably pay more money, but less persentages. The people paying the most will be the upper middle class, forwhom $20,000 is not a significant amount of there total income.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Oh, and for future reference: don't support anyone who thinks the flat tax will solve all of your problems. They're morons. All it does is change the current (progressive) bracket system with a simpler, flat/regressive one. A better solution would be a national sales tax with exemptions for food / clothing / books, but I don't think people realize how large it would have to be.
*sigh* it's amazing how uninformed people are. You don't want a flat tax beacuse it's regressive (not true) but you think a sales tax won't be? Are you crazy? Think about man, the less people have, the more % of there money they spend. Poor people want to buy more then food/clothing/books. A national sales tax, and suddenly getting computers to inner-city students just got 20%-30% more difficult. Talk about tech stratification. Meanwhile, Mr Rich spends a little of his (untaxed)money, and puts the rest in stocks and intrest berring bank acounts. He'd probably end up only spending about 2% of his income in taxes, wheras a low income person will spend almost the tax rate % of there income.
Oh, and no Flat-tax plan actualy flat. in general, the first $20,000 is not taxed. (plus $5,000 more per dependend). So a family of making $38,000 a year would only pay 17% of $3,000 -- $510. Not $6460.
A flat tax is by definition nither progressive or regresive. All flat tax 'plans' are progressive. A sales tax will certanly be extremely regressive.
but that said, I'm glad to see that you felt you could critize something that you obviously never even bothered to look up. I mean, why would you want to actualy know somthing, when its just as easy to spout of without knowing anything at all!?!?!
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Well, after the Stevens-death story was trolled insainly, Rob instituted "troll protection", whereby an IP will be banned for a few days if the poster get's more then -5 moderations in a few hours or somthing.
I guess this guy just spammed the hell out of it before he got -5. After that though, he probably stopped... Unless he was on a dynamic IP...
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Where the hell's the IP ban?
Heh, I guess it just took a while for those -5. Ah well. Enjoy your 'break' asshole
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
While the the sexual inuendos were present in q1, there gone now. It says somthing boring now, like 'were blown up by' or whatever.
Anyway, I didn't think they were nesisaraly rape, I mean "eating pinapple"?
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",