I've never met a single guy named Jackie, Plenty of Jacks, or somthing like that, but never A guy Jackie. And certanly never a male "Patti". Not patty, even Patti, with an 'i'. To me, and, I suspect a lot of other people your name is agressivly femine. I at least would have thought you were a woman from your name. Although, I don't even bother to read peoples names as I read, actualy...
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
I don't think a larger key size would have made much of a difference. They were screwed as soon as they permitted software implementations of DVD players. It was only a matter of time before someone reverse engineered the software. A VLSI chip can also be reverse engineered, but it is much more difficult.
I believe the implementation of CSS enables DVD producers to simply drop a key if one is discovered. So while you would be able to decrypt all the current titles, new ones would be worthless with both your program and the hardware that uses that key. If the key for a legit software player was leaked or discovered it wouldn't be such a problem, just put out a patch. On the other hand, if you've got a hardware player that's been compromised, you'd just be out of luck.
Of course, the DeCSS people got all they keys, and we can't very well kill all all of the players out there...
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Not all of them. And I'm not simply saying what I think everyone agrees with to get karma. Although I think a lot of people would agree with my toplevel thread (do you?).
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
I'm not a karma whore, just look at my posting history. How many of those posts have been marked up? not to many. I don't even have more then 50 karma. The address is just a Spam hole anyway, and it won't be to hard simply block the sender addresses, less time then it'll take you to find those mailing lists.
I thought what I had to say was important, and no one else had said it, as far As I could see.
But ultimately your right. I mean, got forbid slashdot should become a place where people discuss things rationally. Could you imagine if everyone spent the amount of time I did writing all there posts? Why, slashdot would become unreadable!! With all those big words and such. Its much more enjoyable now, with 50 post deep threads of one word rhyming and Hot Grits and stuff.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
The only thing that has me worried is the fact that the same people that own the DVD CCA also own the press in the US. I have yet to see even a single news article or report in favor of the defendants in this case.
This was one of the most imporntant points I think I've seen. For that one single line, It should be given +5. This is a bad situation were getting into here... I wish more people would wake up to it.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
I can understand why these people are afraid. Despite what you've said in other posts, DeCSS does make easier by far for you're average warez puppy to copy movies for use on the computer. Just lower the bit rate down to VCD quality, and send it off via IRC. While it would be possible to sample the data with a Video capture card, using one that doesn't do real-time MPEG (MJPEG looks like crap at any reasonable compression rate) is pretty impractical for most.
That said, I think what they are doing is wrong, in just about every sense of the word. It was there fault they didn't use decent encryption on the keys, (using deeper encryption would have made it much more difficult to brute-force the other keys after Xing's was discovered), But instead of excepting defeat, they try to pass there problem on to us, the computer using public. The sad thing is, it would not be unprecedented
In a Slashdot interview with L0pht a while back, they mentioned the Cell phone industry. When they created their standards, they didn't even bother to use any encryption whatsoever. Whether this was simple laziness, attempted cost savings, or malicious government intervention, we'll never know. When the cell phone system was cracked though, rather then building a better system, they lobbied congress to ban radio scanners. And not only were radio scanners banned but the combination of a computer, ROM burner and cell phone.
A friend of mine uses a hacked smart card to get free DSS dish cannels. The card is illegal. Its ridicules. Rather then building a sound system, the government caves in and banns any technology that can be used to circumvent the financial flows of the big campaign contributors. Public be damned.
In a way, there are not many differences between software like DeCSS and the other wrongly banned technology. But there is one. While the other things are devices, tools, DeCSS is an idea. Sure, you can use it as a tool, in the computer sense of the word. Run file though, decrypt, enjoy. But in my mind anything that can be fully expressed in written form on a T-shirt belongs in the domain of ideas. And that, there, is the problem. The movie industry, acting in their blind desire for money, seeks to ban an idea. And not only one idea, but winning this case will open the floodgates for corporate censorship.
While the idea of corporate censorship frightens me, it doesn't so much as the fact that they are doing this, that they are trying this. Surely they've figured out what this could mean for Americans, or for the world. In an era of increasing corporatism, its becoming increasingly clear that there's lack of conscious in there quest for ever higher profit margins is not only shocking, but dangerous. The corporations that control our government have no regard, whatsoever, for the health of our freedoms. (maybe I'm being naive here...)
DeCSS may be a small issue, (at least, for those of us without both a DVD drive and Linux:P). But is another piece. A corporation censors a small piece of information, of knowledge. But the fact that these mega corps would break down our civil rights to cover up there own mistakes is frightening.
Not to mention the shockingly low signal to noise ratio in this thread... When I got here there were 27 posts, and only two with any content...
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Well, an account/ip can only get a certan amount of negative moderation before it's suspended for a few days. I belive its only five. If it were all me, I would have been IP banned almost 100% of the time. Also, I'm on a static IP (storms-168-12.res.iastate.edu).
Only the chinese trolls are me.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
The only person I knew on this list was John Carmak and Bruce Perns. But those guys are famous only for there 'outside' fame. Not what they've done for slashdot... I mean John only really comments about quake3.
People seem to really hate Tom Christiansen... gah, whatever
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Well, the DVD people couldn't just use anything they wanted. If quicktime really is better they still would have had to pay apple shitloads of money for every DVD player sold. MPEG was free.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
This guy has probably never used Linux for more than 20 minutes in his whole life. In fact, naming Linux as the best "Window Manager" is just wrong. Linux is the kernel.
Maybe you should learn how to read. He wasn't naming the best 'window manager' he was naming the product that he thought had the most impact on windows users.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
"Linux has not been shut down properly. Please wait while Linux scans all of your data and may attempt to fix data it interpretes as corrupt which may or may not make it work or contain essential files."
Uh... Linux DOES do this, ever hear of Fsck? On linux, however you are probably going to get corrupted files on a bad reboot, whereas in windows it probably won't happen (this is based on personal exsperance. Hundreds of windows reboots without a problem, only two in linux. One of the linux ones corruped some files)
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Right, but that's like saying "My PC which has no expansion slots has never been able to use anything more than the default hardware, but until I crack the case and start soldering stuff onto the traces on the motherboard, I'll never know." It's not that simple.
Hrm... The first time I read that statement, I thought you were saying that couldn't just do that with a computer. The second time I read it I thought you were saying that you could do it with a computer, but not with the brain. In any event, you probably could solder more stuff on to a computer motherboard if you really needed to (the memory interface would be a good place to start...)
Evolution is not kind to superfluous stuff.
If that were true, we would all still be single celled organisms, I'd bet. I don't know why our brains would need to be so advanced as to be able to figure out things like relativity, integral calc or the structure of the atom.
Of course you know more about the brain then I do, obviously we wouldn't just be able to solder on new inputs for new senses. But what about "sidebanding" the data? I mean, when someone plays quake they don't have to think about there fingers or the monitor in front of them there just "there". In a Sci-Fi Novel I'm writing people interface with computers by 'co-opting' unnecessary nerves in the spinal cord. Would something like this work?
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Basically, what you were saying was "The brain has never been able to use anymore then 5 senses." That's true, but until we hook more stuff up to it, we'll never know. There's also the possibility of ether "growing" new lobes for new things or "emulating" the lobes in hardware. Or we could just plug new senses into the visual cortex or something (would it be another type of sight then?)
Anyway, the human brain can do *a lot* more then is evolutionarily needed. I'm sure that it could be augmented somewhat by technology
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
The Linux kernel has no defaults. Its all a mater of distribution Defaults. If I wanted a no-hassle, but possibly insecure setup for home use I could go red-hat. Or I could get Caldera or something with better built-in security, but more hassles.
With MS there is only one option.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
How easy is it to setup a share, setup permissions and allow user X to have access in Linux?
Um... try typing 'adduser' at the command line? dosn't sound to hard to me...
Well, I really don't know that much about security anyway. I'd probably go with OpenBSD if I was going to give people user acounts, I mean if you have compile acess I would think you'd probably be able to crash the computer at least.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Another thing about Linux: Linux backup software can handle file names longer then eight characters. I guess in Micros~1 land, that is too advanced to do.
What the hell does that have to do with the OS? anyway, as far as I know, NT and 2k don't even need to use the whatev~1 style filenames at all.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
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I've never met a single guy named Jackie, Plenty of Jacks, or somthing like that, but never A guy Jackie. And certanly never a male "Patti". Not patty, even Patti, with an 'i'. To me, and, I suspect a lot of other people your name is agressivly femine. I at least would have thought you were a woman from your name. Although, I don't even bother to read peoples names as I read, actualy...
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
It wouldn't be your fault, if the PHBs forced poor decisions down your throat
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
I don't think a larger key size would have made much of a difference. They were screwed as soon as they permitted software implementations of DVD players. It was only a matter of time before someone reverse engineered the software. A VLSI chip can also be reverse engineered, but it is much more difficult.
I believe the implementation of CSS enables DVD producers to simply drop a key if one is discovered. So while you would be able to decrypt all the current titles, new ones would be worthless with both your program and the hardware that uses that key. If the key for a legit software player was leaked or discovered it wouldn't be such a problem, just put out a patch. On the other hand, if you've got a hardware player that's been compromised, you'd just be out of luck.
Of course, the DeCSS people got all they keys, and we can't very well kill all all of the players out there...
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Not all of them. And I'm not simply saying what I think everyone agrees with to get karma. Although I think a lot of people would agree with my toplevel thread (do you?).
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
I'm not a karma whore, just look at my posting history. How many of those posts have been marked up? not to many. I don't even have more then 50 karma. The address is just a Spam hole anyway, and it won't be to hard simply block the sender addresses, less time then it'll take you to find those mailing lists.
I thought what I had to say was important, and no one else had said it, as far As I could see.
But ultimately your right. I mean, got forbid slashdot should become a place where people discuss things rationally. Could you imagine if everyone spent the amount of time I did writing all there posts? Why, slashdot would become unreadable!! With all those big words and such. Its much more enjoyable now, with 50 post deep threads of one word rhyming and Hot Grits and stuff.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
I'm must say you're exquisitely cool. It hurts to be in your pressence great one. Thank you for responding to my post with an attack.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
The only thing that has me worried is the fact that the same people that own the DVD CCA also own the press in the US. I have yet to see even a single news article or report in favor of the defendants in this case.
This was one of the most imporntant points I think I've seen. For that one single line, It should be given +5. This is a bad situation were getting into here... I wish more people would wake up to it.
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
I can understand why these people are afraid. Despite what you've said in other posts, DeCSS does make easier by far for you're average warez puppy to copy movies for use on the computer. Just lower the bit rate down to VCD quality, and send it off via IRC. While it would be possible to sample the data with a Video capture card, using one that doesn't do real-time MPEG (MJPEG looks like crap at any reasonable compression rate) is pretty impractical for most.
:P). But is another piece. A corporation censors a small piece of information, of knowledge. But the fact that these mega corps would break down our civil rights to cover up there own mistakes is frightening.
That said, I think what they are doing is wrong, in just about every sense of the word. It was there fault they didn't use decent encryption on the keys, (using deeper encryption would have made it much more difficult to brute-force the other keys after Xing's was discovered), But instead of excepting defeat, they try to pass there problem on to us, the computer using public. The sad thing is, it would not be unprecedented
In a Slashdot interview with L0pht a while back, they mentioned the Cell phone industry. When they created their standards, they didn't even bother to use any encryption whatsoever. Whether this was simple laziness, attempted cost savings, or malicious government intervention, we'll never know. When the cell phone system was cracked though, rather then building a better system, they lobbied congress to ban radio scanners. And not only were radio scanners banned but the combination of a computer, ROM burner and cell phone.
A friend of mine uses a hacked smart card to get free DSS dish cannels. The card is illegal. Its ridicules. Rather then building a sound system, the government caves in and banns any technology that can be used to circumvent the financial flows of the big campaign contributors. Public be damned.
In a way, there are not many differences between software like DeCSS and the other wrongly banned technology. But there is one. While the other things are devices, tools, DeCSS is an idea. Sure, you can use it as a tool, in the computer sense of the word. Run file though, decrypt, enjoy. But in my mind anything that can be fully expressed in written form on a T-shirt belongs in the domain of ideas. And that, there, is the problem. The movie industry, acting in their blind desire for money, seeks to ban an idea. And not only one idea, but winning this case will open the floodgates for corporate censorship.
While the idea of corporate censorship frightens me, it doesn't so much as the fact that they are doing this, that they are trying this. Surely they've figured out what this could mean for Americans, or for the world. In an era of increasing corporatism, its becoming increasingly clear that there's lack of conscious in there quest for ever higher profit margins is not only shocking, but dangerous. The corporations that control our government have no regard, whatsoever, for the health of our freedoms. (maybe I'm being naive here...)
DeCSS may be a small issue, (at least, for those of us without both a DVD drive and Linux
Not to mention the shockingly low signal to noise ratio in this thread... When I got here there were 27 posts, and only two with any content...
"Subtle Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Well, an account/ip can only get a certan amount of negative moderation before it's suspended for a few days. I belive its only five. If it were all me, I would have been IP banned almost 100% of the time. Also, I'm on a static IP (storms-168-12.res.iastate.edu).
Only the chinese trolls are me.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Further, no one here knew my gender until I start b*tching on one of these topics anyways in a previous thread...
I doubt there are very many people who would mistake someone named "JackiePatti" for a man...
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
di yi-ge hanyu post:
Ni hao ma?
Wo hen hao, ni ne?
Wo bu hao.
Na shi bu hao, weishema?
Yin wei ni mama tai bu hao kan, ye ni ba ba shi da gang men.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
The only person I knew on this list was John Carmak and Bruce Perns. But those guys are famous only for there 'outside' fame. Not what they've done for slashdot... I mean John only really comments about quake3.
People seem to really hate Tom Christiansen... gah, whatever
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Well, the DVD people couldn't just use anything they wanted. If quicktime really is better they still would have had to pay apple shitloads of money for every DVD player sold. MPEG was free.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Granted, anyone can get a copy of an O/S, but it may be just as alien to most people as DOS was to our mothers so long ago.
DOS was just as alien to all of us once, but people who love computers will learn. The only problem is when its more difficult then other solutions...
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
This guy has probably never used Linux for more than 20 minutes in his whole life. In fact, naming Linux as the best "Window Manager" is just wrong. Linux is the kernel.
Maybe you should learn how to read. He wasn't naming the best 'window manager' he was naming the product that he thought had the most impact on windows users.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
"Linux has not been shut down properly. Please wait while Linux scans all of your data and may attempt to fix data it interpretes as corrupt which may or may not make it work or contain essential files."
Uh... Linux DOES do this, ever hear of Fsck? On linux, however you are probably going to get corrupted files on a bad reboot, whereas in windows it probably won't happen (this is based on personal exsperance. Hundreds of windows reboots without a problem, only two in linux. One of the linux ones corruped some files)
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Right, but that's like saying "My PC which has no expansion slots has never been able to use anything more than the default hardware, but until I crack the case and start soldering stuff onto the traces on the motherboard, I'll never know." It's not that simple.
Hrm... The first time I read that statement, I thought you were saying that couldn't just do that with a computer. The second time I read it I thought you were saying that you could do it with a computer, but not with the brain. In any event, you probably could solder more stuff on to a computer motherboard if you really needed to (the memory interface would be a good place to start...)
Evolution is not kind to superfluous stuff.
If that were true, we would all still be single celled organisms, I'd bet. I don't know why our brains would need to be so advanced as to be able to figure out things like relativity, integral calc or the structure of the atom.
Of course you know more about the brain then I do, obviously we wouldn't just be able to solder on new inputs for new senses. But what about "sidebanding" the data? I mean, when someone plays quake they don't have to think about there fingers or the monitor in front of them there just "there". In a Sci-Fi Novel I'm writing people interface with computers by 'co-opting' unnecessary nerves in the spinal cord. Would something like this work?
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Well, I belive the poster was calling ESR both homophobic AND gun-toting. This is not incorect, and does not nessesitate equating the two.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Hrm...
Basically, what you were saying was "The brain has never been able to use anymore then 5 senses." That's true, but until we hook more stuff up to it, we'll never know. There's also the possibility of ether "growing" new lobes for new things or "emulating" the lobes in hardware. Or we could just plug new senses into the visual cortex or something (would it be another type of sight then?)
Anyway, the human brain can do *a lot* more then is evolutionarily needed. I'm sure that it could be augmented somewhat by technology
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
that's not the point I'm trying to make...
You could just as well buy an encoder card, what I'm trying to say is that DeCSS makes it much easyer to do it then without....
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
The Linux kernel has no defaults. Its all a mater of distribution Defaults. If I wanted a no-hassle, but possibly insecure setup for home use I could go red-hat. Or I could get Caldera or something with better built-in security, but more hassles.
With MS there is only one option.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
A clerk could copy your number, while a cracker could copy thousands with the same effort
I think you have a pretty warped idea of "same effort". Although I do know you can get CC#'s off IRC just like MP3's and warez (cardz)
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
In fact, I'd say it's almost a certainty!
Well then, that would make you pretty stupid...
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
How easy is it to setup a share, setup permissions and allow user X to have access in Linux?
Um... try typing 'adduser' at the command line? dosn't sound to hard to me...
Well, I really don't know that much about security anyway. I'd probably go with OpenBSD if I was going to give people user acounts, I mean if you have compile acess I would think you'd probably be able to crash the computer at least.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
Another thing about Linux: Linux backup software can handle file names longer then eight characters. I guess in Micros~1 land, that is too advanced to do.
What the hell does that have to do with the OS? anyway, as far as I know, NT and 2k don't even need to use the whatev~1 style filenames at all.
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",