Of corse there in it for the money, they always were. what the hell did you exspect? Don't like it? use debian -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
I'm not saying that there is anything inherntly wrong with the people that the survey 'targeted', But I don't think you can really say that there 'run of the mill programers', For instance, do you really think that most programers are fron dysfunctional homes, and chronic drug uersers? Are they people who can't take critisism? certanly, some are, but I don't think that necisaraly defines the common one. Most of the coders *I* know arn't sociopaths. (Well, actualy most of the people in CS these days are simply idiots, unfortunetly:( ) -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
However, in the screen shot, the sniffer clearly stated that the 'source' of the packet was 'monster.kistie' (1.2.3.4). Did you look at the gif yourself? -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
that's the box, though, Q3a won't do you much good without an internet connection -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
wow, its just like the simpsons, you know where some person yells somthing, and then the crowd vehomently aggrees. It happens a lot in the simpsons, and, I've noticed on slashdot.
It amazes me that you havn't even been able to aply any kind of simple constructive critizim, to michals comments, or, even read the thread so far.
It is *not* secret, there is *NO PERSONAL DATA ATACHED*, and it *can* be disabled. All Id knows is that quake3 was launched on a certan video card at a certan time, that's it.
But if you'd rather lick the balls of an over worked lama then purchase another Id game (or, presumibly, be informed about anything) be my guest. -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
'id Software uploads video card information so they can use it as leverage onto other companies to get them to help id in the future' _ Oh, it only affects people who get huffy about their hardware setup, it doesn't bother me.
Your wrong, it dosn't effect *anyone* it dosn't get *any* data about the user AT ALL!
and yet, What blizzard did effected pirates, it was wrong. what Real did effected people who listen to illicet MP3s, it was wrong.
What id did (witch, dispite what this 'michal' person says) dosn't effect anyone, therefor it is not wrong -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
If none of this info is that important, why do they hide the fact they are collecting it?
I guess you havn't been reading this thread, they are *not* hiding this info at all. It has been included in all the READMEs up untill this point, when the file was skimmed down qute a bit -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
You can look at the data the data that they are sending, it has been posted on the web.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people post on things without even taking the *basic* steps to inform themselves about whats really going on -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Do you think maybe that the reason that people are not as upset with Id as they are with Real is beacuse there is a huge diffrence between there actions?
Id is sending a known paket containing the kind of video card you are using back to there main server. It *was* documented in earlyer versions of the README, and it is disableable.
Real was *actively scanning your hard drive for MP3s*, and sending that info back to there servers WITH AN ID. do you realy think the two things are equivelant?
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About 1+E30 people have made the insipid argument about the GL_RENDERER line of quake3 UDP paket t. The facts are that everyone knows string is being sent, and you can connect without sending it a or even when sending a bogus string. type +set GL_MOTD 0 on the console. -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
You say you have a "geek brain", and yet, you seem to think that the top-level post is actualy a post by john carmack, and not a quote from the v 1.08 readme, or his.plan or somthing. Well, that dosn't make sense to my "geek brain".
then you say: Funny, I found John Carmack's post quite arrogant. He thinks we should all bow down to him and take it up the ass, and then decides it's our fault because he documented it (and the documentation which I have seen makes no sense to my non-geek brain. Really, most gamers are not programmers). I've got a message: Fu*k him!
Just what kind of crack are you smoking? -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
They might just want to know the number of *instances* of quake, not the instalations. The data would still be quite usefull
besides, you can go and look at the packet there sending, there is no unique ID in there -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
It doesn't matter how much or what info is being transmitted back, it is the fact it is transmitted at all,
Yes it does matter. The world is not black and white, infact it isn't even greyscale. grow up -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
I'm not sure about it. its posible to send a UDP packet without sending your IP, If you don't need a response.
Looking at the.gif that was linked a while back, it appeared that infact it wasn't sending the IP address along with the rest of the info... but I don't know for sure -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Id software is sending information about what video card was use when. its not saying by whom. Its not personal data, beacuse its not personalized, it *was* documented, and it is disable able
Real Jukebox was actively scanning your hard drive for MP3s, and sending that information back to Real.com, along with a unique ID number
Do you really think that the two things are in anyway eqivalent? -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
If it is in the full version then I am not buying it - bad enough it is in the demo. I used to think Carmack was a pretty cool guy. Now I think he sucks. I was going to buy this game. Probably not now.
You can easly disable this by typing a command into the console
Am I the only one pissed that linux users are told to wait till after christmas? Carmack telling us this will be important is BS. If it is so important why treat linux users like second class citizens?
Carmack is releasing all 3 versions at the same time, however, the windows version will move through the system quicker, beacuse there is more demand for the windows version.
aditionaly, you do not have to wait untill after chrismas to play quake on linux, just a few extra days. What will not happen untill christmas is the putting of binarys for diffrent versions (so you can play on a platform you didn't buy) up on there webstite. -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Let them have one apple, and soon they'll want the whole tree. Let them have the whole tree, and soon they'll want the orchard.
I total didn't agree with your position, untill I read that little quote there. Thank you for that scientifically valid, backed up with hard data point.
eating an apple dosn't make me want an entire orchard... -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
don't cookies have a similar function, i.e. they take data from your computer without your knowledge? Wouldn't that also qualify as being illegal? I don't really understand what the difference is.
NO THEY DO NOT
What cookies alow, is the *placement* of data on a computer system, IE, a site, such as slashdot, can store you're user info in a file on your hard drive. When you connect to the site again, that data, and *ONLY* that data can be retrived. In other words, sites can only get information on you that they already knew.
If you're really consourned about cookies, you shouldn't be reading slashdot -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Slashdot Mirror
Of corse there in it for the money, they always were. what the hell did you exspect? Don't like it? use debian
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but, are they black?
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I'm not saying that there is anything inherntly wrong with the people that the survey 'targeted', But I don't think you can really say that there 'run of the mill programers', For instance, do you really think that most programers are fron dysfunctional homes, and chronic drug uersers? Are they people who can't take critisism? certanly, some are, but I don't think that necisaraly defines the common one. Most of the coders *I* know arn't sociopaths. (Well, actualy most of the people in CS these days are simply idiots, unfortunetly :( )
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haha, dude, you forgot to hit the 'post anonyomusly' button?
:P
and you're a +2 poster to boot! Thats the funnyest thing I've seen all day
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Like I said, I don't know.
However, in the screen shot, the sniffer clearly stated that the 'source' of the packet was 'monster.kistie' (1.2.3.4). Did you look at the gif yourself?
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that's the box, though, Q3a won't do you much good without an internet connection
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wow, its just like the simpsons, you know where some person yells somthing, and then the crowd vehomently aggrees. It happens a lot in the simpsons, and, I've noticed on slashdot.
It amazes me that you havn't even been able to aply any kind of simple constructive critizim, to michals comments, or, even read the thread so far.
It is *not* secret, there is *NO PERSONAL DATA ATACHED*, and it *can* be disabled. All Id knows is that quake3 was launched on a certan video card at a certan time, that's it.
But if you'd rather lick the balls of an over worked lama then purchase another Id game (or, presumibly, be informed about anything) be my guest.
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'id Software uploads video card information so they can use it as leverage onto other companies to get them to help id in the future' _ Oh, it only affects people who get huffy about their hardware setup, it doesn't bother me.
Your wrong, it dosn't effect *anyone* it dosn't get *any* data about the user AT ALL!
and yet, What blizzard did effected pirates, it was wrong. what Real did effected people who listen to illicet MP3s, it was wrong.
What id did (witch, dispite what this 'michal' person says) dosn't effect anyone, therefor it is not wrong
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If none of this info is that important, why do they hide the fact they are collecting it?
I guess you havn't been reading this thread, they are *not* hiding this info at all. It has been included in all the READMEs up untill this point, when the file was skimmed down qute a bit
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You can look at the data the data that they are sending, it has been posted on the web.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people post on things without even taking the *basic* steps to inform themselves about whats really going on
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Do you think maybe that the reason that people are not as upset with Id as they are with Real is beacuse there is a huge diffrence between there actions?
Id is sending a known paket containing the kind of video card you are using back to there main server. It *was* documented in earlyer versions of the README, and it is disableable.
Real was *actively scanning your hard drive for MP3s*, and sending that info back to there servers WITH AN ID. do you realy think the two things are equivelant?
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About 1+E30 people have made the insipid argument about the GL_RENDERER line of quake3 UDP paket t. The facts are that everyone knows string is being sent, and you can connect without sending it a or even when sending a bogus string. type +set GL_MOTD 0 on the console.
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where he gave his full name?
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are persistant, you only need to retype them if you reinstall
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witch uses those dreaded cookies????
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You say you have a "geek brain", and yet, you seem to think that the top-level post is actualy a post by john carmack, and not a quote from the v 1.08 readme, or his .plan or somthing. Well, that dosn't make sense to my "geek brain".
then you say: Funny, I found John Carmack's post quite arrogant. He thinks we should all bow down to him and take it up the ass, and then decides it's our fault because he documented it (and the documentation which I have seen makes no sense to my non-geek brain. Really, most gamers are not programmers). I've got a message: Fu*k him!
Just what kind of crack are you smoking?
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They might just want to know the number of *instances* of quake, not the instalations. The data would still be quite usefull
besides, you can go and look at the packet there sending, there is no unique ID in there
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man ipchains be your friend. Just block sending of packets to id's network.
If you did that, you wouldn't be able to play quake at all...
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1337 means 'leet, as opposed to 31337 witch means 'eleet'
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It doesn't matter how much or what info is being transmitted back, it is the fact it is transmitted at all,
Yes it does matter. The world is not black and white, infact it isn't even greyscale. grow up
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I'm not sure about it. its posible to send a UDP packet without sending your IP, If you don't need a response.
.gif that was linked a while back, it appeared that infact it wasn't sending the IP address along with the rest of the info... but I don't know for sure
Looking at the
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Id software is sending information about what video card was use when. its not saying by whom. Its not personal data, beacuse its not personalized, it *was* documented, and it is disable able
Real Jukebox was actively scanning your hard drive for MP3s, and sending that information back to Real.com, along with a unique ID number
Do you really think that the two things are in anyway eqivalent?
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If it is in the full version then I am not buying it - bad enough it is in the demo. I used to think Carmack was a pretty cool guy. Now I think he sucks. I was going to buy this game. Probably not now.
You can easly disable this by typing a command into the console
Am I the only one pissed that linux users are told to wait till after christmas? Carmack telling us this will be important is BS. If it is so important why treat linux users like second class citizens?
Carmack is releasing all 3 versions at the same time, however, the windows version will move through the system quicker, beacuse there is more demand for the windows version.
aditionaly, you do not have to wait untill after chrismas to play quake on linux, just a few extra days. What will not happen untill christmas is the putting of binarys for diffrent versions (so you can play on a platform you didn't buy) up on there webstite.
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Let them have one apple, and soon they'll want the whole tree. Let them have the whole tree, and soon they'll want the orchard.
I total didn't agree with your position, untill I read that little quote there. Thank you for that scientifically valid, backed up with hard data point.
eating an apple dosn't make me want an entire orchard...
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don't cookies have a similar function, i.e. they take data from your computer without your knowledge? Wouldn't that also qualify as being illegal? I don't really understand what the difference is.
NO THEY DO NOT
What cookies alow, is the *placement* of data on a computer system, IE, a site, such as slashdot, can store you're user info in a file on your hard drive. When you connect to the site again, that data, and *ONLY* that data can be retrived. In other words, sites can only get information on you that they already knew.
If you're really consourned about cookies, you shouldn't be reading slashdot
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