I'm not sure I'm parsing your comment correctly... that was my point. I was responding to the previous poster who had claimed that the protesters were infringing on the WTO delegates' freedom of assembly.
Not only are they doing no good, but also they're fueled but Labor Unions Advertising money. In fact, they (www.adbusters.org) had the audacity to continue there adverting (I wouldn't have seen them, if I hadn't turned on CNN), even after the rioting.
Meanwhile, important issues like Privacy, crypto, Censorship fall right through the cracks (There was a protest of the CDA in Silicon Valley. 60 people showed up)
Think about free trade for a second. What free trade is is a way for the rich to get richer. Those who can afford to set up manufacturing plants in foreign third world countries and ship manufactured goods benefit immensely from Free Trade.
It also alows the poor to get richer. If those 'rich bastards' didn't setup shop in the 3rd world, how would they get jobs?
Do you belive that its more imporntant for Americans to have jobs then people in other contrys? I don't. And just beacuse people don't working arn't in the US, it dosn't mean that there being 'exsploited'
Western contries will gain more advantage by puting 3rd world into product markets and raw material providers Oh, no! third-world citizens might get money and they might be able to buy stuff with it!!! That would be so terrible.
really this thing is ridicules. The WTO makes no policy on the environment, this would be akin to a mob of people trashing your home because you didn't donate to the salvation army or something.
The only people this hurts are US labor unions, who apparently thing that its much, much more important for US blue color workers to get a lot of money then it is for 3rd world-ers to get food...
It just pissed off the british even more. I really doubt that we wouldn't have won the War if it hadden't happend. Read the book The March of Folly by Barbra W Trunchman(sp?). Its an intresting read.
so, yes the Protesters aren't violating the constitutional rights of the WTO, because the protesters are not a part of the government.
However, I doubt that violent rioting is going to do much for there cause. Most people are going to be turned off by this.
Any organization that can afford slick television ads (I just saw one, from www.adbusters.org, telling people to go to Seattle) Probably doesn't really have your best interests in mind, IMO
First of all, sovereignty sucks. Really, I don't see what's so great about it. I mean; do you really feel like the US government acts in your interests? I don't see why a world government would be any worse. Think about how much the EU governments seem to care about citizen privacy when compared to the US government.
Look, France, Germany, and other European governments are giving up some sovereignty to be a part of the EU. I care about my rights, and as long as there preserved, why should I care whose running the show? (couldn't do a worse job then the idiots we've got now, could they?)
Also, while there were a lot of people, there were over 250,000 at Marten Luther King's March on Washington, and over 400,000 at the 'million man march' much more then 50,000. In any event, how can you possibly say that this single event, witch did turn violent is possibly larger then the entire civil rights movement, with its many, larger, and lessviolent protests?
ohhh, while watching CNN, I just saw an advertisement for you're little 'protest' "lets go to Seattle and put that on the WTO agenda"www.adbusters.orgYou can tell a real grassroots movement by there slick television advertisements.
As for people jumping down my throat, go ahead, I don't usually to ranting. I wouldn't mind hearing some of the real issues (witch you have not done).
I was merely trying to answer the question quickly, and I didn't run a spelling/grammar check. Yes, I do have trouble spelling, and no, I don't care what you think.
However, I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for adding so much to the discussion
a group of contrys working together, on trade issues. The idea is to alow free trade between contrys. A good thing IMO, workers rights and the environment would be just as bad without it, so I don't see why all these seatiletes are getting there pantys in a bunch.
Probably just a bunch of Ex-hippies wanting to relive there glory days, or somthing
ug, id WAS NOT sending the data without any warning. all of the readme files up to the 1.09 demotest contained the info, and how to disable it. aperantly the readme for 1.09 was cut down qute a bit, and thats one of the things that was removed -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Well, the part where you said "even a portal can't run on thin air" didn't make much sense, when you changed the words.
But really, you're *obviously* uninformed. Not only did you not read the story, you didn't even read the little blurb fully! And yet, when someone calls you on it, you instult them!
That's classic. And by the way, anyone reading your post will think your an idiot, wether or not the ideas are valid or not. If you don't even know who the story's about, how can we exspect you to have any clue as to the impleplications of whats going on? -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
first of all, what id did was not secret, it was clearly described in most of the readmes, and they *didn't* have any identifying information (such as mac address, or somthing)
there is a huge diffrence between what Id did, and what these people did, if you cant see that, then there is really somthing wrong with you. Is there a diffrence between a guy who grows pot in his back yard for him and a few frends, and a guy who runs a Crystal Meth lab, and poisons hundreds of people? well, yes. -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
While, yes an individual website will know more about what you did at *there site*, this little bugger tracks you over the entire web, or at least would like to (right now, it has only 60,000).
In other words, CmndrTaco knows everything I do on slashdot, but he dosn't know what I do elsewhere. With this software, the 'commet' people know what you do on over 60k sites. (although, this isn't really that diffrent that what doubleclick is capable of) -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
storms-168-12.res.iastate.edu. That's always me (exsept when I'm running linux, atwitch the 12 changes to a 92 or somthing), and I can't imagen that it would be hard for a search site to corolate my IP with other information
Exsept I hardly ever use search engens any more, Just Yahoo, if I'm looking for a particular topic. Maybe altavista in the rare case I need a particular string. With this, though *one* company knows *all* your surfing habits, not just that you looked up x86 assembly coding on Yahoo last june, or you looked for the string 'netbus 17' on altavista.
I suppose it might matter for those that use searches a lot, But I do think that this is a little diffrent. esp since they tried to do it covertly (unlike the q3a thing) -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
but, the internet already alows you to do this, just block the host that this commet thing is sending to. you could simply kill acess to adfu.blockstakers.com, or whatever slashdot is using now to get rid of the ads.
surely, you're not saying that individuals shouldn't have the ability to block out information they don't want to see. I wouldn't want an internet where I didn't have (however theoreticaly) control over my packets -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Are you actualy saying, on slashdot, that there is nothing free? what about linux or perl? Even in the windows world, there's lots of free, closed source software (such as the origional winamp and mIRC, they went shareware when it became aperant that millions of people were using it and even if only 1% registerd...)
I might be likely to run a little app if it looked intresting, and I certanly wouldn't exspect it to actively track my web surfing -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
you don't need a book on multithreading, I used some in a simple sample program I wrote make a function in the format
UINT functionName(LPVOID pParam)
then call AfxBeginThread (functionName,&pParam);
pParam is the paramiter you can pass. If you want you can make it a pointer to a class, and call a 'run' function or similar (its not quite as simple as Java, where you interface runnable, then make a new Thread instance, and start it but its close). Look up the help on AfxBeginThread (Its in afxwin.h)
I don't know how to do it in linux, I think it involves the 'fork()' function, or somthing. but you were talking about MS-flight sim, so I guess you're a windows user -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
I tried connecting to my ISP with a 300baud connection, but it never gave me anything less then 1200 (I was using a 33.6k) -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
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I'm not sure I'm parsing your comment correctly... that was my point. I was responding to the previous poster who had claimed that the protesters were infringing on the WTO delegates' freedom of assembly.
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Yes, it was your point. I'm agreeing with you
There was not a single mis spelled word in that post.
Not only are they doing no good, but also they're fueled but Labor Unions Advertising money. In fact, they (www.adbusters.org) had the audacity to continue there adverting (I wouldn't have seen them, if I hadn't turned on CNN), even after the rioting.
Meanwhile, important issues like Privacy, crypto, Censorship fall right through the cracks (There was a protest of the CDA in Silicon Valley. 60 people showed up)
um, the WTO cannot overide any contrys laws, unless the contry lets them. The WTO does not have any military force.
Think about free trade for a second. What free trade is is a way for the rich to get richer. Those who can afford to set up manufacturing plants in foreign third world countries and ship manufactured goods benefit immensely from Free Trade.
It also alows the poor to get richer. If those 'rich bastards' didn't setup shop in the 3rd world, how would they get jobs?
Do you belive that its more imporntant for Americans to have jobs then people in other contrys? I don't. And just beacuse people don't working arn't in the US, it dosn't mean that there being 'exsploited'
Western contries will gain more advantage by puting 3rd world into product markets and raw material providers Oh, no! third-world citizens might get money and they might be able to buy stuff with it!!! That would be so terrible.
really this thing is ridicules. The WTO makes no policy on the environment, this would be akin to a mob of people trashing your home because you didn't donate to the salvation army or something.
The only people this hurts are US labor unions, who apparently thing that its much, much more important for US blue color workers to get a lot of money then it is for 3rd world-ers to get food...
It just pissed off the british even more. I really doubt that we wouldn't have won the War if it hadden't happend. Read the book The March of Folly by Barbra W Trunchman(sp?). Its an intresting read.
so, yes the Protesters aren't violating the constitutional rights of the WTO, because the protesters are not a part of the government.
However, I doubt that violent rioting is going to do much for there cause. Most people are going to be turned off by this.
Any organization that can afford slick television ads (I just saw one, from www.adbusters.org, telling people to go to Seattle) Probably doesn't really have your best interests in mind, IMO
sounds kind of boring, if you're going to wreak havok anyway, you might as well get some stuff.
besides, all of those stores are insured.
really?
First of all, sovereignty sucks. Really, I don't see what's so great about it. I mean; do you really feel like the US government acts in your interests? I don't see why a world government would be any worse. Think about how much the EU governments seem to care about citizen privacy when compared to the US government.
Look, France, Germany, and other European governments are giving up some sovereignty to be a part of the EU. I care about my rights, and as long as there preserved, why should I care whose running the show? (couldn't do a worse job then the idiots we've got now, could they?)
Also, while there were a lot of people, there were over 250,000 at Marten Luther King's March on Washington, and over 400,000 at the 'million man march' much more then 50,000. In any event, how can you possibly say that this single event, witch did turn violent is possibly larger then the entire civil rights movement, with its many, larger, and lessviolent protests?
ohhh, while watching CNN, I just saw an advertisement for you're little 'protest' "lets go to Seattle and put that on the WTO agenda"www.adbusters.org You can tell a real grassroots movement by there slick television advertisements.
As for people jumping down my throat, go ahead, I don't usually to ranting. I wouldn't mind hearing some of the real issues (witch you have not done).
I was merely trying to answer the question quickly, and I didn't run a spelling/grammar check. Yes, I do have trouble spelling, and no, I don't care what you think.
However, I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for adding so much to the discussion
I turned on CNN afrer reading this post, it seems the Natnl Gaurd has been called in
World Trade Organization.
a group of contrys working together, on trade issues. The idea is to alow free trade between contrys. A good thing IMO, workers rights and the environment would be just as bad without it, so I don't see why all these seatiletes are getting there pantys in a bunch.
Probably just a bunch of Ex-hippies wanting to relive there glory days, or somthing
ug, id WAS NOT sending the data without any warning. all of the readme files up to the 1.09 demotest contained the info, and how to disable it. aperantly the readme for 1.09 was cut down qute a bit, and thats one of the things that was removed
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"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Well, the part where you said "even a portal can't run on thin air" didn't make much sense, when you changed the words.
But really, you're *obviously* uninformed. Not only did you not read the story, you didn't even read the little blurb fully! And yet, when someone calls you on it, you instult them!
That's classic. And by the way, anyone reading your post will think your an idiot, wether or not the ideas are valid or not. If you don't even know who the story's about, how can we exspect you to have any clue as to the impleplications of whats going on?
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"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
first of all, what id did was not secret, it was clearly described in most of the readmes, and they *didn't* have any identifying information (such as mac address, or somthing)
there is a huge diffrence between what Id did, and what these people did, if you cant see that, then there is really somthing wrong with you. Is there a diffrence between a guy who grows pot in his back yard for him and a few frends, and a guy who runs a Crystal Meth lab, and poisons hundreds of people? well, yes.
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"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
While, yes an individual website will know more about what you did at *there site*, this little bugger tracks you over the entire web, or at least would like to (right now, it has only 60,000).
In other words, CmndrTaco knows everything I do on slashdot, but he dosn't know what I do elsewhere. With this software, the 'commet' people know what you do on over 60k sites. (although, this isn't really that diffrent that what doubleclick is capable of)
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"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
storms-168-12.res.iastate.edu. That's always me (exsept when I'm running linux, atwitch the 12 changes to a 92 or somthing), and I can't imagen that it would be hard for a search site to corolate my IP with other information
Exsept I hardly ever use search engens any more, Just Yahoo, if I'm looking for a particular topic. Maybe altavista in the rare case I need a particular string. With this, though *one* company knows *all* your surfing habits, not just that you looked up x86 assembly coding on Yahoo last june, or you looked for the string 'netbus 17' on altavista.
I suppose it might matter for those that use searches a lot, But I do think that this is a little diffrent. esp since they tried to do it covertly (unlike the q3a thing)
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"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
but, the internet already alows you to do this, just block the host that this commet thing is sending to. you could simply kill acess to adfu.blockstakers.com, or whatever slashdot is using now to get rid of the ads.
surely, you're not saying that individuals shouldn't have the ability to block out information they don't want to see. I wouldn't want an internet where I didn't have (however theoreticaly) control over my packets
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"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Are you actualy saying, on slashdot, that there is nothing free? what about linux or perl? Even in the windows world, there's lots of free, closed source software (such as the origional winamp and mIRC, they went shareware when it became aperant that millions of people were using it and even if only 1% registerd...)
I might be likely to run a little app if it looked intresting, and I certanly wouldn't exspect it to actively track my web surfing
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"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
you don't need a book on multithreading, I used some in a simple sample program I wrote make a function in the format
UINT functionName(LPVOID pParam)
then call AfxBeginThread (functionName,&pParam);
pParam is the paramiter you can pass. If you want you can make it a pointer to a class, and call a 'run' function or similar (its not quite as simple as Java, where you interface runnable, then make a new Thread instance, and start it but its close). Look up the help on AfxBeginThread (Its in afxwin.h)
I don't know how to do it in linux, I think it involves the 'fork()' function, or somthing. but you were talking about MS-flight sim, so I guess you're a windows user
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"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
infact, its about 10 - 15x as much :)
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"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
but, you cant get more then 450mhz, now can you?
I'd really like a 10Ghz Athlon, but it just aint gonna happen
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"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
I tried connecting to my ISP with a 300baud connection, but it never gave me anything less then 1200 (I was using a 33.6k)
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"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"