Um... CE comes with the dream cast, so you wouldn't have to spend any money on it... "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Even if FreeBSD is technicaly ahead of linux now, it won't be for long, Company's like SGI, IBM, and others are behind Linux (and providing code). Those same companys arn't going to want to reliese there code under a BSD style licens beacuse it would enable there compeitors to pilfer there work. "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
It *doesn't* not really. while it's possible for them to *release* crypto modules if they really want, they can't just type in your IP address and change your crypto around. The keys are only used to load code Already on the system. If they really needed to install something I'm sure they would want to do more then that (think back orifice).
also, since it would require you to run executing code, even if the 'NSAKEY' weren't there, they could conceivably add it to the system "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
I'm sure you're right that the NSA wants that. However, the way they would _GET_ that is either asking Microsoft to give them MS' secret key so they can write their own codes, OR secretly replacing Microsoft's public key with their own on the computers they're using (after all, there is no reason to continue using MS' key).
Don't forget Without MS's Key, windows can't varify *itself* and the OS won't work at all (at least that's what they've been saying). I'm sure the NSA *could* do somthing to rev-eng windows, and rewrite all that stuff, but it would be a lot less work for them to just work with MS to begin with "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
It was another site, I think it was the CCC, but I'm not sure. we were also reading what was probably a bad translation from german as well.
in any event, I agreed with this guy, and was *amazed* at all the people who didn't even really take into consideration what was happening. I mean, they just jumped right on the band wagon. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the posters didn't even bother to read the story... "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
The third one down is an AT $50 (well closer to $60), see? I've never seen a socket 7 motherboard that *didn't* support SIMM memory. "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Giving a CPU more voltage may improve it's stablity when overclocked. lowering it may let you get higher speeds. So, motherboard manufactures built the ability to change voltages into the BIOS to sell to hard-core overclockers "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Bad news is that after some time Java evolution did not allow me to compile the source code anymore. I accept that.
You should be able to get older versions of the JDK from java.sun.com, if you want. and you might be able to get the stuff to compile with just a little work.
I'll agree though, that old code should still work, if it dosn't that's a pretty major bug... "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Remember when Metroworks tried to release Code Warrior for Red-hat? everyone was up in arms, calling Red-Hat the next Microsoft. I don't think doing something like that would endear them much in the minds of the linux community (although I could be wrong). It also seems like a bad Idea. If I were them I would ether try to support Debian, Red-Hat, and S.u.S.e. if I didn't have enough money, I'd just wait for the LSB to do something. "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
It shouldn't be to hard to just ignore the GUI, I've done Java development over a Telnet session to a to a UNIX box.
I'm not familiar with Sun's community source license, but can you hack out the part that does the AWT from the C source? would you be able to distribute your changes if you didn't charge? (I *think* that the answer would be yes to both those questions, but I'm not sure) "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
99% correct, the 1% being that Netscape still enjoys roughly 80% market share. Microsoft flaunting its incompetence, having a browser built into 90% of the world's operating systems but being used by 20% of the people...
I'm sorry to be rude, but HA! for startes Netscape's market share was NEVER more then 70%, even in the days back before IE1, I belive that netscape's market share is somewhere betwene %30 and %40, and going down every day. dispite the fact that AOL own's netscape, every AOL user uses IE. IE is also a *much* better prodcut (although I can't wait for Moz5.0:). it's much faster and a lot more stable. When I got windows 98, I used netscape for everything exsept looking at microsoft's own site, then slashdot, then.... (I still keep netscape around, but).
don't get me wrong, I hate Microsoft, but Netscape's market share is nowhere near 80%. "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
If you would have read the interview, or known anything about java other then old sterio-types you would know that java can be as fast as C in some aplications. Unless conventional signal processing requires a lot pointer-arithmatic a Java implementation with Hot-Spot would probably have similar performance.
What do you want to spend those clock cycles on: redrawing the GUI or signal processing? are you saying that C apps don't need to redraw the GUI? Java is only as dependant on a GUI as any other langage (exsept maybe visual basic, which needs it a lot more...) "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
I don't love or hate Java. I just fail to see any benefits from it's use and wonder how Sun might act if Java were to become the next C.
well there are two major ones, the first being that it is *a lot* nicer to program for, even much better then C++. If I could code in whatever I wanted, I'm sure it would be Java, it's just *so* much nicer then C, my god... but this is really beside the point we are discussing.
Java is still a little better then C/C++ because the majority of computers run things like Mac OS and windows. While./configure may work great in UNIX/Linux try using that to compile a program using the MFC library for a Macintosh. Or try getting DOOM to compile for a palm pilot. it's just not going to happen. Java gives you *much* better code inoperablity right now. I don't know if you've done much work in Java, but it is Very easy to get a program to work on any OS. in my experience Every Java program I've ever written that I tested on another platform/OS/Java implementation has worked. This was without any type of special work on my part in any way (well in one of my programs I had to put in a command line option to not use the GUI stuff to get my app to run on a UNIX box over Telnet, since there *was* no GUI) "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Well, the do make a small amount of money for licensing, $250,000 I believe. this isn't that much however, because there are only a few licenses. What Java does, is keep them in the news, and Screw Microsoft.
I'm *glad* sun used the community source license on Java instead of the GPL, why? because if they didn't Microsoft could fork Java to there hearts content without fear of reprisal.
If Microsoft made there own linux distro, no one would use it, but if they forked Java, there would probably be more people using there implementation then Sun's.
Code inoperability is paramount to Java's success. In this case, code control is more important then code freedom. "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Well, it depends on how you want to do it. if you go with an AMD 6th generation CPU, it *would* fit in the socket, you would probably want to get a new motherboard though (so you can run it faster and, ahem, at the right voltage) You would still be able to use the same ram/case.
It *is* posible to get AT Slot one and socket 370 boards, most of the most popular are ATX, though. I personaly hate ATX "software power control" though, ug... "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
why would I need to do that? They still make AT motherboards, for whatever chip I want. you should at least make an *effort* to be informed, I mean, really.
Anyway, what difrence does it make *how* you upgrade your system, upgradeability is upgradeablity, no matter how you cut it. If I wanted, I could take an IBM PC XT and upgrade it to a k6-3. I would only need a new motherboard ($50) and a power supply ($10) "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Well, think of it this way. There are two different "distros" of the win32 operating system, NT and 9x. in the linux world there are many more. You would need to support at least Debian, Red-Hat, S.u.S.e, and TurboLinux. and any other homebrewed distros out there. You couldn't really be sure what things were going to be like. (note that I'm only using the 'distro' term for win32 metaphorically. NT and 9x are different operating systems with different kernels. but this matches more closely the troubles with developing applications. I *think*)
The other, and much more obvious reason is that without windows support, there would be almost no point in trying to do Java at all. After all windows still has 90% of the desktop market. At the time linux was much, much less of an issue. Now that linux has grown, sun will probably put much more effort into getting it to work. (remember, sun doesn't even support the Mac itself) "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
I don't. "Open Source" can be defined by many things, (since the "open source" trademark fell through). As defined by the OSI, open source comprizes many diffrent qualitys. Sun's comunity licens matches some of them, therefor it's 'close' to open source "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
What he means, I think, is that The number one platform for Java is Microsoft's Internet Explorer. As long as IE is the number one browser, most people will be using whatever implementation of Java that MS uses.
The poster before stated that Microsoft and Sun needed to work out there differences before they Java could work as advertised. The problem, however is that Microsoft doesn't want Java to reach that potential. So the longer they stall, the better for them. (the sad fact is, MS's Java runtime is still faster, *and* more compatible than Netscape's...)
Anyway, Ms's and Sun's actual implementation aren't that different, it's the major 'windows binding' that J++ puts in by default that are the real killers. Any competent programmer would test his application on more then one platform, and avoid stuff that doesn't work on all. If they don't then they are not. "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
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Um... CE comes with the dream cast, so you wouldn't have to spend any money on it...
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Even if FreeBSD is technicaly ahead of linux now, it won't be for long, Company's like SGI, IBM, and others are behind Linux (and providing code). Those same companys arn't going to want to reliese there code under a BSD style licens beacuse it would enable there compeitors to pilfer there work.
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Those clases may have been in the bussness school of the univercity.
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If you're intrested in better random numbers on the intel platforms check out: http://developer.intel.c om/design/chipsets/rng/techbrief.pdf I belive that there is a way to get Hardware, true random numbers from newer pentiumX CPUs.
Also check out http://developer.intel.com/de sign/chipsets/rng/docs.htm for more info.
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The NSA can't install it remotely, whatsoever. Even Active X applets from Microsoft need to be authorized before they can be used.
They keys are only used to verify Stuff already on the system
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It *doesn't* not really. while it's possible for them to *release* crypto modules if they really want, they can't just type in your IP address and change your crypto around. The keys are only used to load code Already on the system. If they really needed to install something I'm sure they would want to do more then that (think back orifice).
also, since it would require you to run executing code, even if the 'NSAKEY' weren't there, they could conceivably add it to the system
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
I'm sure you're right that the NSA wants that. However, the way they would _GET_ that is either asking Microsoft to give them MS' secret key so they can write their own codes, OR secretly replacing Microsoft's public key with their own on the computers they're using (after all, there is no reason to continue using MS' key).
Don't forget Without MS's Key, windows can't varify *itself* and the OS won't work at all (at least that's what they've been saying). I'm sure the NSA *could* do somthing to rev-eng windows, and rewrite all that stuff, but it would be a lot less work for them to just work with MS to begin with
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It was another site, I think it was the CCC, but I'm not sure. we were also reading what was probably a bad translation from german as well.
in any event, I agreed with this guy, and was *amazed* at all the people who didn't even really take into consideration what was happening. I mean, they just jumped right on the band wagon. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the posters didn't even bother to read the story...
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http ://rook.pricewatch.com/search/link.idq?ne=14821&l= 14775&qc=@ctd+2+AND+@contents+SUPER7*&ca td=2&cn=Motherboards&cr=Motherboards+Super7&n=14&C iCodePage=Windows-1252&a=2
The third one down is an AT $50 (well closer to $60), see? I've never seen a socket 7 motherboard that *didn't* support SIMM memory.
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Giving a CPU more voltage may improve it's stablity when overclocked. lowering it may let you get higher speeds. So, motherboard manufactures built the ability to change voltages into the BIOS to sell to hard-core overclockers
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Bad news is that after some time Java evolution did not allow me to compile the source code anymore. I accept that.
You should be able to get older versions of the JDK from java.sun.com, if you want. and you might be able to get the stuff to compile with just a little work.
I'll agree though, that old code should still work, if it dosn't that's a pretty major bug...
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Remember when Metroworks tried to release Code Warrior for Red-hat? everyone was up in arms, calling Red-Hat the next Microsoft. I don't think doing something like that would endear them much in the minds of the linux community (although I could be wrong). It also seems like a bad Idea. If I were them I would ether try to support Debian, Red-Hat, and S.u.S.e. if I didn't have enough money, I'd just wait for the LSB to do something.
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That's some weird shit, man :)
but what's so hard about typing a(b(x)) or:
c(x){
return a(b(x));
}
or am I missing somthing? (I assume I'm missing somthing)
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It shouldn't be to hard to just ignore the GUI, I've done Java development over a Telnet session to a to a UNIX box.
I'm not familiar with Sun's community source license, but can you hack out the part that does the AWT from the C source? would you be able to distribute your changes if you didn't charge? (I *think* that the answer would be yes to both those questions, but I'm not sure)
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My windows (98) box has been up for:
1days, 6hours, 43minutes and 8seconds (110588235 milliseconds total)
sorry, I just wrote a little uptime program, now I'm infatuated by it
1days, 6hours, 44minutes and 49seconds (110689407 milliseconds total)
wee....
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99% correct, the 1% being that Netscape still enjoys roughly 80% market share. Microsoft flaunting its incompetence, having a browser built into 90% of the world's operating systems but being used by 20% of the people...
:). it's much faster and a lot more stable. When I got windows 98, I used netscape for everything exsept looking at microsoft's own site, then slashdot, then.... (I still keep netscape around, but).
I'm sorry to be rude, but HA! for startes Netscape's market share was NEVER more then 70%, even in the days back before IE1, I belive that netscape's market share is somewhere betwene %30 and %40, and going down every day. dispite the fact that AOL own's netscape, every AOL user uses IE. IE is also a *much* better prodcut (although I can't wait for Moz5.0
don't get me wrong, I hate Microsoft, but Netscape's market share is nowhere near 80%.
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If you would have read the interview, or known anything about java other then old sterio-types you would know that java can be as fast as C in some aplications. Unless conventional signal processing requires a lot pointer-arithmatic a Java implementation with Hot-Spot would probably have similar performance.
What do you want to spend those clock cycles on: redrawing the GUI or signal processing?
are you saying that C apps don't need to redraw the GUI? Java is only as dependant on a GUI as any other langage (exsept maybe visual basic, which needs it a lot more...)
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I don't love or hate Java. I just fail to see any benefits from it's use and wonder how Sun might act if Java were to become the next C.
./configure may work great in UNIX/Linux try using that to compile a program using the MFC library for a Macintosh. Or try getting DOOM to compile for a palm pilot. it's just not going to happen. Java gives you *much* better code inoperablity right now. I don't know if you've done much work in Java, but it is Very easy to get a program to work on any OS. in my experience Every Java program I've ever written that I tested on another platform/OS/Java implementation has worked. This was without any type of special work on my part in any way (well in one of my programs I had to put in a command line option to not use the GUI stuff to get my app to run on a UNIX box over Telnet, since there *was* no GUI)
well there are two major ones, the first being that it is *a lot* nicer to program for, even much better then C++. If I could code in whatever I wanted, I'm sure it would be Java, it's just *so* much nicer then C, my god... but this is really beside the point we are discussing.
Java is still a little better then C/C++ because the majority of computers run things like Mac OS and windows. While
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Well, the do make a small amount of money for licensing, $250,000 I believe. this isn't that much however, because there are only a few licenses. What Java does, is keep them in the news, and Screw Microsoft.
I'm *glad* sun used the community source license on Java instead of the GPL, why? because if they didn't Microsoft could fork Java to there hearts content without fear of reprisal.
If Microsoft made there own linux distro, no one would use it, but if they forked Java, there would probably be more people using there implementation then Sun's.
Code inoperability is paramount to Java's success. In this case, code control is more important then code freedom.
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Well, it depends on how you want to do it. if you go with an AMD 6th generation CPU, it *would* fit in the socket, you would probably want to get a new motherboard though (so you can run it faster and, ahem, at the right voltage)
You would still be able to use the same ram/case.
It *is* posible to get AT Slot one and socket 370 boards, most of the most popular are ATX, though. I personaly hate ATX "software power control" though, ug...
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
why would I need to do that? They still make AT motherboards, for whatever chip I want.
you should at least make an *effort* to be informed, I mean, really.
Anyway, what difrence does it make *how* you upgrade your system, upgradeability is upgradeablity, no matter how you cut it. If I wanted, I could take an IBM PC XT and upgrade it to a k6-3. I would only need a new motherboard ($50) and a power supply ($10)
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Well, think of it this way. There are two different "distros" of the win32 operating system, NT and 9x. in the linux world there are many more. You would need to support at least Debian, Red-Hat, S.u.S.e, and TurboLinux. and any other homebrewed distros out there. You couldn't really be sure what things were going to be like.
(note that I'm only using the 'distro' term for win32 metaphorically. NT and 9x are different operating systems with different kernels. but this matches more closely the troubles with developing applications. I *think*)
The other, and much more obvious reason is that without windows support, there would be almost no point in trying to do Java at all. After all windows still has 90% of the desktop market. At the time linux was much, much less of an issue. Now that linux has grown, sun will probably put much more effort into getting it to work. (remember, sun doesn't even support the Mac itself)
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I don't. "Open Source" can be defined by many things, (since the "open source" trademark fell through). As defined by the OSI, open source comprizes many diffrent qualitys. Sun's comunity licens matches some of them, therefor it's 'close' to open source
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What he means, I think, is that The number one platform for Java is Microsoft's Internet Explorer. As long as IE is the number one browser, most people will be using whatever implementation of Java that MS uses.
The poster before stated that Microsoft and Sun needed to work out there differences before they Java could work as advertised. The problem, however is that Microsoft doesn't want Java to reach that potential. So the longer they stall, the better for them. (the sad fact is, MS's Java runtime is still faster, *and* more compatible than Netscape's...)
Anyway, Ms's and Sun's actual implementation aren't that different, it's the major 'windows binding' that J++ puts in by default that are the real killers. Any competent programmer would test his application on more then one platform, and avoid stuff that doesn't work on all. If they don't then they are not.
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Sure, the hours suck. and it might take longer...
but it's just so cheap! real computer geeks don't need help!
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