Think about it, they arn't even alowing anyone to *call* it firewire. it's IEEE 1394, or whatever. Apple sure is being a bitch. I mean, what did they think was going to happen? that the industry was just going to roll over and let apple rape them in the ass for 25 a port?
Some times these damn tech companys really piss me off, The way they play politics with these types of things, instaid of giving us good technology. *sigh* "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Click Here I don't know if it has PHB (a term for retarted people who manage smart people, from the boss in dilbert) but it's got a lot of other acronimical information:) "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
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I hope to god, I never have the 'plesure' of runing one of the windows programs you write
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and moderators don't get any information that we don't. there just regular/. readers. the only diffrence is there's a little HTML form for each post, that you can moderate up and down.
also, AC's start at one moderation point less then regular readers. "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
It would run, it would just be very, very hot. (I had a frend *melt* his fan beacuse his CPU voltage was configured wrong.) "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
has a hell of a lot more compition then Apple does. I mean, they don't even have a *majority* of the sub-$1000 PC market!! "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Now, for those of you still spouting the rhetoric about apple's prices, I'd like to remind you that the new G4, classified as a supercomputer by the government, thus a weapon (and as of yet, unexportable to other countries), is available for a starting price of 1599.
so is a $300 playstation, so? Also, it's not a hardware issue, the g4's use the same motherboard for christ sake! you can upgrade a PII to a PIII, if you want. Why? beacuse they use the same physical interface. So does a g3 and a g4. you can't upgrade beacuse put in software lock. theres a pretty big diffrence there.
If anyone out there tells me that [$1599] is too much money to pay for a computer with a top of the line processor, Modem, Ethernet, Firewire, USB, 128-bit video card, and more, plus the wonderful support of Apple.
Considering I could get that in a PC for $800, I'd say its a pretty shitty deal My computer has everything on that list exsept Firewire, (and a top of the line procsesor:( ) and it's only worth about $200. what your proposing is a terrible deal
For anyone complaining about the OS: Install LinuxPPC. Or, realize that the OS is getting better with every revision, and the OS X is going to put Microsoft, and particularly NT, to shame.
yeh, go out and buy overpriced hardware that runs linux slower then dual celeron, that sounds like a good idea...
and sure the OS is getting better with every revision, but it still sucks ass. I mean christ no protected memory!??!!? WTF?!??!!? no premtive multitasking?!?!? no multithreading!?!??!
even windows 95 suports all of this, the mac dosn't. even windows 3.1 had protected memory, to prevent single applications from crashing everything else. "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Right now, as in, the past few years, since the Celeron 'A's came out, it's posible to build a faster system then one you could buy in a store. stick an overclockable celeron in a BH6.
Going from AT to ATX formfactor can be prohibative, but Could go out and buy a super 7 mobo for $60, and a k6-2 400 for cheap to, if I wanted. Gradual upgrading of a PC is much cheaper. There's no reason to throw away all my old ram, hard drives, flopy's Case, etc, etc "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
well, abit mobos will probably work, since they were designed with overclockign in mind:)
but were not talking about $90 motherboards with these Macs, were talking about $1500 computers "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Every time intel sells a CPU in a slot, it looses money. the PIIIs are exspensive enough that it dosn't mater. however, intel only makes about $10 profit on a celeron. $5 more would reduce there profits by half.
people who don't know the diffrence between slot 1 and socket 370 arn't going to be upgrading there CPUs anyway.
Everytime you upgrade you make intel money, so they like it. infact they are selling socket 370 pentium III's now, I belive "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
The PC is an open platform, BIOS updates come from motherboard makers, and there are dozens. I get mine from Amptron, others from Abit, some from Dell or Compaq. Only if you cold get several companies that *compete* with one another to conspire to do something that they know would piss off there customers, and benefit only one of them, would you be able to do something like this.
If dell fucks with there BIOS you can just buy a Compaq (or even physically switch the BIOS chip, I've actually done this, just to see what would happen. It worked (although I didn't leave it like that))
Unlike apple who can leisurely fuck it's users whenever it feels like "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
You're also almost comparing apples and oranges. I can't go up to the local best Buy and buy an overclocked Celeron with the best products in it.
no, but you can buy one with a regular Celeron in it and over clock it. and even with a real pIII you'd still be *much* cheaper then a Mac. I can't even *find* PCs more expensive then $1,500 nowadays
Celerons are also slowly getting outdated. Their prime time is over. The prime time being they were so much cheaper than the PIIs and you could overclock them so much.
Intel is continuing to update the Celerons, and the newer 366's can run at 550, or even 600mhz. pIIIs are still relatively expensive. "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Maybe you should consider puting about $300 into upgrading your system. a mother board with SDRAM slots, and some SDRAM like 64megs if would run you about $110. Snag a faster CPU with the rest. you could get like a 400mhz k6-2, if you wanted. instaid of buying a rediculisly overpriced Apple hardware "in a few years"
I got a p75 with 8 megs of ram 5 years ago, and now it's running at 200mhz, with 96 megs, and I havn't spent more then $200 in those 5 years (not counting the $150 I paid for 16megs a few months after I got windows 95) "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
wow, I'll never read them again, now that some random person named "FalseConsciousness" has criticsed them without giving any reasons... "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Witch intel also does, there is a big diffrence between locking a chip from running out of spec, and writing software that prevents the new chips from working.
btw, its still easyer to rip off some resistors then it is to reprogram a bios "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
considering how little you know about CPU arcitectures, you should probably not be spouting off. it was not under apples 'supervision' that the Chips were created, although they probably had quite a bit of input, seeing how there the number one customer.
btw, the PPC is a RISC (reduced instruction set computing), and x86 is a CISC, (complex instruction set computing). RISC, in theory will be faster all around, but that's only in theory. an 800mhz athlon will be faster then a 60mhz PPC 601. Also, newer chips from intel and AMD convert CISC instructions into RISC before they are exicuted(I think the origional pentium was the last that did not) "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
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Think about it, they arn't even alowing anyone to *call* it firewire. it's IEEE 1394, or whatever. Apple sure is being a bitch. I mean, what did they think was going to happen? that the industry was just going to roll over and let apple rape them in the ass for 25 a port?
Some times these damn tech companys really piss me off, The way they play politics with these types of things, instaid of giving us good technology. *sigh*
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I'm going to make a couple phonecalls to my congresswoman and senators.
then you are very stupid
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Click Here I don't know if it has PHB (a term for retarted people who manage smart people, from the boss in dilbert) but it's got a lot of other acronimical information :)
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I hope to god, I never have the 'plesure' of runing one of the windows programs you write
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use jpeg
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well..
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and moderators don't get any information that we don't. there just regular /. readers. the only diffrence is there's a little HTML form for each post, that you can moderate up and down.
also, AC's start at one moderation point less then regular readers.
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the BeBox was made by Be, and it had two 60Mhz PPC chips
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It would run, it would just be very, very hot. (I had a frend *melt* his fan beacuse his CPU voltage was configured wrong.)
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big moitors are nice :)
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cannot be exsported to china, eventhough it is going to be made in china.
acutaly there is a law going through right now to lift those numbers
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has a hell of a lot more compition then Apple does. I mean, they don't even have a *majority* of the sub-$1000 PC market!!
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Now, for those of you still spouting the rhetoric about apple's prices, I'd like to remind you that the new G4, classified as a supercomputer by the government, thus a weapon (and as of yet, unexportable to other countries), is available for a starting price of 1599.
:( ) and it's only worth about $200. what your proposing is a terrible deal
so is a $300 playstation, so?
Also, it's not a hardware issue, the g4's use the same motherboard for christ sake! you can upgrade a PII to a PIII, if you want. Why? beacuse they use the same physical interface. So does a g3 and a g4. you can't upgrade beacuse put in software lock. theres a pretty big diffrence there.
If anyone out there tells me that [$1599] is too much money to pay for a computer with a top of the line processor, Modem, Ethernet, Firewire, USB, 128-bit video card, and more, plus the wonderful support of Apple.
Considering I could get that in a PC for $800, I'd say its a pretty shitty deal My computer has everything on that list exsept Firewire, (and a top of the line procsesor
For anyone complaining about the OS: Install LinuxPPC. Or, realize that the OS is getting better with every revision, and the OS X is going to put Microsoft, and particularly NT, to shame.
yeh, go out and buy overpriced hardware that runs linux slower then dual celeron, that sounds like a good idea...
and sure the OS is getting better with every revision, but it still sucks ass. I mean christ no protected memory!??!!? WTF?!??!!? no premtive multitasking?!?!? no multithreading!?!??!
even windows 95 suports all of this, the mac dosn't. even windows 3.1 had protected memory, to prevent single applications from crashing everything else.
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A PC motherboard is cheap. An Apple macintosh is not
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is mostly controled by the bios nowadays. so there probably could be a BIOS fix :)
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Right now, as in, the past few years, since the Celeron 'A's came out, it's posible to build a faster system then one you could buy in a store. stick an overclockable celeron in a BH6.
Going from AT to ATX formfactor can be prohibative, but Could go out and buy a super 7 mobo for $60, and a k6-2 400 for cheap to, if I wanted. Gradual upgrading of a PC is much cheaper. There's no reason to throw away all my old ram, hard drives, flopy's Case, etc, etc
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
well, abit mobos will probably work, since they were designed with overclockign in mind :)
but were not talking about $90 motherboards with these Macs, were talking about $1500 computers
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Every time intel sells a CPU in a slot, it looses money. the PIIIs are exspensive enough that it dosn't mater. however, intel only makes about $10 profit on a celeron. $5 more would reduce there profits by half.
people who don't know the diffrence between slot 1 and socket 370 arn't going to be upgrading there CPUs anyway.
Everytime you upgrade you make intel money, so they like it. infact they are selling socket 370 pentium III's now, I belive
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well there's no real 'reason' to upgrade from a Celeron to a pIII, seeing how there performance per-clock is exactly the same.
Intel is making Socket 370 pIIIs now, so lighten up.
besides, if you don't like Intel, buy AMD. it's not that hard.
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
The PC is an open platform, BIOS updates come from motherboard makers, and there are dozens. I get mine from Amptron, others from Abit, some from Dell or Compaq. Only if you cold get several companies that *compete* with one another to conspire to do something that they know would piss off there customers, and benefit only one of them, would you be able to do something like this.
If dell fucks with there BIOS you can just buy a Compaq (or even physically switch the BIOS chip, I've actually done this, just to see what would happen. It worked (although I didn't leave it like that))
Unlike apple who can leisurely fuck it's users whenever it feels like
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You're also almost comparing apples and oranges. I can't go up to the local best Buy and buy an overclocked Celeron with the best products in it.
no, but you can buy one with a regular Celeron in it and over clock it. and even with a real pIII you'd still be *much* cheaper then a Mac. I can't even *find* PCs more expensive then $1,500 nowadays
Celerons are also slowly getting outdated. Their prime time is over. The prime time being they were so much cheaper than the PIIs and you could overclock them so much.
Intel is continuing to update the Celerons, and the newer 366's can run at 550, or even 600mhz. pIIIs are still relatively expensive.
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Maybe you should consider puting about $300 into upgrading your system. a mother board with SDRAM slots, and some SDRAM like 64megs if would run you about $110. Snag a faster CPU with the rest. you could get like a 400mhz k6-2, if you wanted. instaid of buying a rediculisly overpriced Apple hardware "in a few years"
I got a p75 with 8 megs of ram 5 years ago, and now it's running at 200mhz, with 96 megs, and I havn't spent more then $200 in those 5 years (not counting the $150 I paid for 16megs a few months after I got windows 95)
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wow, I'll never read them again, now that some random person named "FalseConsciousness" has criticsed them without giving any reasons...
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Witch intel also does, there is a big diffrence between locking a chip from running out of spec, and writing software that prevents the new chips from working.
btw, its still easyer to rip off some resistors then it is to reprogram a bios
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
considering how little you know about CPU arcitectures, you should probably not be spouting off. it was not under apples 'supervision' that the Chips were created, although they probably had quite a bit of input, seeing how there the number one customer.
btw, the PPC is a RISC (reduced instruction set computing), and x86 is a CISC, (complex instruction set computing). RISC, in theory will be faster all around, but that's only in theory. an 800mhz athlon will be faster then a 60mhz PPC 601. Also, newer chips from intel and AMD convert CISC instructions into RISC before they are exicuted(I think the origional pentium was the last that did not)
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