And they thought it was bad for people to use cell phones...
No, this is for kids who drive the base model Civic, because the insurance would kill them if they (err, their parents) bought the Si. Now that they've added the coffee can exhaust, 300 pound wing (someone explain why you put a wing on the back of a FWD car that isn't set up in a way to break the rear loose) $800 worth of stickers, and $2000 worth of wheels/tires, the only thing left is some stereo.
If it is a TV, CD player, etc. that has been pounded on by your staff and customers, it's been used. Less of the useful life is remaining. For other things (books?) it is utter hogwash.
I've been wondering the same thing about cars lately. I buy with (for example) 600 miles on the odometer. How many of those miles were spent at redline by some joyrider? Thank the maker I had the opportunity to have my latest bike pulled out of the crate for me. The 14 miles on it when I picked it up coincide perfectly with the test run that the shop does after final assembly.
That's a nice policy and everything (no returns on software), but since I'm not buying software, but rather a license, Circuit City can kiss my ass if I don't agree to the licensing terms.
Funny you mention that. I was at the white box shop, and talking to a guy who was thinking of putting together a dual Xeon, and he mentioned Win2k and also said the price wasn't bad.
Hadn't thought of that. But don't you then need a SMP OS? And doesn't that mean Win2k Pro or WinXP Pro? The costs seem like they are really starting to stack up. (But, with hardcore gamers, that doesn't really seem to matter.)
Perhaps your company's block list hasn't been updated. Or your firm doesn't block sites listed under 'mp3'. In any event, go to the search page on their site, and enter sourceforge. You will see that it is categorized as a 'bad' domain. Not only that, but it seems that all domains ending in.sourceforge.net are listed. For example, brewnix.sourceforge.net is listed, (for real. Used the search ~4:35 EDT) and there are no mp3 files or tools available.
It's less bogus than several/. stories of the past.
This is conjecture, and I don't necessarily agree with the opinions:
Most SMP machines are bought by large companies. They still view AMD chips as 'merely compatible' with Intel. They feel there may be incomplete compatibility. They are a lesser product. So, no interest, so nobody builds boards.
Also, there are no games that take advantage of SMP (that I know of) so the gamer rags won't be interested. That pretty much leaves small companies and Linux/*BSD tinkerers. Heck, I'd like one someday, but I'm only one person.
BTW, skimmed the link in your sig. I don't have time to actually do the test, but after a paragraph or two, it was getting very painful to read. Mind expects one thing, eyes see another.
Honestly, I did miss the part (or underplayed) where he said the tools the company developed helped corporate buy-in.
I think the thing that helped more than the product was the price tag. If you sell it for $49.95, it's not worth that much to a Fortune 100. But $20,000 per box plus $10k per sensor... That must really be worth something if you are charging that much for it.
I agree that it's about choice and options. I looked at a half dozen programs before picking a photo gallery manager for my website (not linked in the above url, BTW).
To answer your question: in CatB (or one of the other essays in the book) the incentive is peer approval and positive strokes from the community. Ease of use doesn't generate those things.
I agree that it is a mostly good thing. The guy has to eat. Personally, I would prefer it if infrastructure tools were developed in-house, by, say, Bank of America and Ford, and Fred's Chicken Hut, then released into the wild, rather than have one company do the development, support, and sales.
Now, it seems that step two is revealed. It's actually a few steps. Now, for the first time ever:
Step two (a): Come up with (proprietary) tools that make the basic (GPL) Snort code easy to understand and use for non-technical managers. Step two (b): Load Snort and the additional tools into a box, and sell the box as a complete solution, instead of just selling software.
It's been said before that there is no incentive to make OSS easy to use. Here (and elsewhere) is the proof. Make it hard to use. Release it. BUT, make the config tools easy to use, IF you pay for them.
I'm not slagging the guy, he's gotta eat. But it is another notch in the belt for those who are cynical about OSS and business.
I'm sure that using that crap is against the TOS. Send out a bulk email to all customers saying that there is a grace period of 30 days where you will help them through uninstalling Kazaa and all that rubbish. After that, it will be either a $100 per incident fee to do it, or you will be on your own.
Yeah, probably wouldn't work unless you were AOL or someone like that. Being a small ISP must really suck at times.
I agree with the sentiment, to an extent. The themes, ideas, broad strokes are 3k-4k years old. The plot isn't. The details, the elven poetry, the description of Mordor is ~70 years old.
That's why I said later on that there are no good new interpretations on old memes.
Maybe I wrote it so that it wasn't easily understood. Dunno.
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And now I'm going to make all you nubile coeds my bitches!
I thought GCC, vim, and emacs were all available for Windows?
No, sorry, it seems that between moderation and positive comments, I haven't come across as a moron here.
A small, niche market will exist for these. That does not mean 'the public'.
Dude, where's the mp3 of that tune? I love it.
Umm.. The public wants to rip CD's in their car?
Yeah, right.
And they thought it was bad for people to use cell phones...
No, this is for kids who drive the base model Civic, because the insurance would kill them if they (err, their parents) bought the Si. Now that they've added the coffee can exhaust, 300 pound wing (someone explain why you put a wing on the back of a FWD car that isn't set up in a way to break the rear loose) $800 worth of stickers, and $2000 worth of wheels/tires, the only thing left is some stereo.
If it is a TV, CD player, etc. that has been pounded on by your staff and customers, it's been used. Less of the useful life is remaining. For other things (books?) it is utter hogwash.
I've been wondering the same thing about cars lately. I buy with (for example) 600 miles on the odometer. How many of those miles were spent at redline by some joyrider? Thank the maker I had the opportunity to have my latest bike pulled out of the crate for me. The 14 miles on it when I picked it up coincide perfectly with the test run that the shop does after final assembly.
That's a nice policy and everything (no returns on software), but since I'm not buying software, but rather a license, Circuit City can kiss my ass if I don't agree to the licensing terms.
That would certainly explain the popularity of processors> 1.5 GHz. Whenever anyone asks, I tell 'em "get more RAM, less processor".
You're right. It's very pretentious. And it's one of the many reasons I'm not in customer service:)
Funny you mention that. I was at the white box shop, and talking to a guy who was thinking of putting together a dual Xeon, and he mentioned Win2k and also said the price wasn't bad.
Does that take advantage of SMP? Wouldn't know. I... Don't have a copy of Quake3:)
Always glad to find helpful souls on slashdot.
Hadn't thought of that. But don't you then need a SMP OS? And doesn't that mean Win2k Pro or WinXP Pro? The costs seem like they are really starting to stack up. (But, with hardcore gamers, that doesn't really seem to matter.)
Perhaps your company's block list hasn't been updated. Or your firm doesn't block sites listed under 'mp3'. In any event, go to the search page on their site, and enter sourceforge. You will see that it is categorized as a 'bad' domain. Not only that, but it seems that all domains ending in .sourceforge.net are listed. For example, brewnix.sourceforge.net is listed, (for real. Used the search ~4:35 EDT) and there are no mp3 files or tools available.
/. stories of the past.
It's less bogus than several
Or just click here. Thanks for the link. Just submitted my sourceforge.net project page.
Hmm... Why should sourceforge sue? They have maligned me via brewnix.sourceforge.net. I may have a case.
This is conjecture, and I don't necessarily agree with the opinions:
Most SMP machines are bought by large companies. They still view AMD chips as 'merely compatible' with Intel. They feel there may be incomplete compatibility. They are a lesser product. So, no interest, so nobody builds boards.
Also, there are no games that take advantage of SMP (that I know of) so the gamer rags won't be interested. That pretty much leaves small companies and Linux/*BSD tinkerers. Heck, I'd like one someday, but I'm only one person.
BTW, skimmed the link in your sig. I don't have time to actually do the test, but after a paragraph or two, it was getting very painful to read. Mind expects one thing, eyes see another.
Honestly, I did miss the part (or underplayed) where he said the tools the company developed helped corporate buy-in.
I think the thing that helped more than the product was the price tag. If you sell it for $49.95, it's not worth that much to a Fortune 100. But $20,000 per box plus $10k per sensor... That must really be worth something if you are charging that much for it.
I agree that it's about choice and options. I looked at a half dozen programs before picking a photo gallery manager for my website (not linked in the above url, BTW).
To answer your question: in CatB (or one of the other essays in the book) the incentive is peer approval and positive strokes from the community. Ease of use doesn't generate those things.
I agree that it is a mostly good thing. The guy has to eat. Personally, I would prefer it if infrastructure tools were developed in-house, by, say, Bank of America and Ford, and Fred's Chicken Hut, then released into the wild, rather than have one company do the development, support, and sales.
But, yes, this is a good thing.
First go read the newsforge article.... Okay, the joke is:
Step one: develop open source software
Step two: mumble, mumble
Step three: profit!
Now, it seems that step two is revealed. It's actually a few steps. Now, for the first time ever:
Step two (a): Come up with (proprietary) tools that make the basic (GPL) Snort code easy to understand and use for non-technical managers.
Step two (b): Load Snort and the additional tools into a box, and sell the box as a complete solution, instead of just selling software.
It's been said before that there is no incentive to make OSS easy to use. Here (and elsewhere) is the proof. Make it hard to use. Release it. BUT, make the config tools easy to use, IF you pay for them.
I'm not slagging the guy, he's gotta eat. But it is another notch in the belt for those who are cynical about OSS and business.
I'm sure that using that crap is against the TOS. Send out a bulk email to all customers saying that there is a grace period of 30 days where you will help them through uninstalling Kazaa and all that rubbish. After that, it will be either a $100 per incident fee to do it, or you will be on your own.
Yeah, probably wouldn't work unless you were AOL or someone like that. Being a small ISP must really suck at times.
"It's as difficult as explaing the difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD"
(For the moderators, please look at the signature of the parent post.)
I agree with the sentiment, to an extent. The themes, ideas, broad strokes are 3k-4k years old. The plot isn't. The details, the elven poetry, the description of Mordor is ~70 years old.
That's why I said later on that there are no good new interpretations on old memes.
Maybe I wrote it so that it wasn't easily understood. Dunno.
Is building rockets more like rocket science, or like brain surgery?
When someone says "Doing XYZ isn't rocket science" have you ever said "no, it's [harder|easier]"?
Assuming:
a) building rockets IS rocket science
b) rocket science IS difficult
c) difficult things take up a lot of mental space...
Do you have a compulsion to watch Wapner?