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LotR Two Towers Trailer Online

A few people have pointed out that Apple has put a trailer online for The Two Towers, so if you have broadband and the ability to play video in Apple's favorite format, you can check it out. I'm 0 for 2, so I guess I'll wait. Besides, its only a half a year away ;)

388 comments

  1. The what towers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The Who Towers

    Man, we know where CmdrTaco's mind has been the last few days....

    1. Re:The what towers? by AltGrendel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, his name was Entwhistle after all.

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      - Douglas Adams

    2. Re:The what towers? by gerf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Congratulations, you are the only one of the hundred people who will point this mistake out who is not redundant.

      sadly, a little grammatical mistake makes any discussion on the actual topic impossible. thank you immature slashdotters!

    3. Re:The what towers? by geomon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      sadly, a little grammatical mistake makes any discussion on the actual topic impossible.

      How true. Which is why it is so important that editorial control be exercised by individuals who are aware of how small details can ruin an otherwise good submission.

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      "Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
    4. Re:The what towers? by ackthpt · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      The Who Towers,

      Man, we know where CmdrTaco's mind has been the last few days....

      Yeah, but the tour is still on. Cancelled a couple dates, pulled the Entwistle clone out of the lab and the tour will set forth on Wednesday, at Shoreline in Mt. View, CA.. Hope nobody's torn up their tickets.

      Then again, he could be thinking about the World Health Organization, what with all the filth created by an army of orcs...

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    5. Re:The what towers? by red_dragon · · Score: 2
      Man, we know where CmdrTaco's mind has been the last few days...

      At this point, I'm confident enough to guess that God's account is now 'entwhistle' instead of 'pete'.

      --
      In Soviet Russia, Jesus asks: "What Would You Do?"
    6. Re:The what towers? by jd142 · · Score: 2

      Yes, finally the return of Dr Who and a sequal to Paradise Towers! Maybe this one will have Felicity Kendell in it.

    7. Re:The what towers? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      I wish movies would have a little more fun with crossovers. They could have fun with 'Tardis sightings'. Heh.

    8. Re:The what towers? by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 2

      Amen, Brother!

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      The thing about things we don't know is we often don't know we don't know them.

    9. Re:The what towers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and the fact that he doesn't have broadband scares me.

    10. Re:The what towers? by geomon · · Score: 1, Troll

      I think stupid slashdot comments get plenty of coverage.

      Intelligent submissions rarely make the cut.

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      "Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
    11. Re:The what towers? by cicatrix1 · · Score: 1

      My brain hurts from trying to figure out why you put the 'ent' in bold. Can you please explain it? I'm sure I'm just being daft, but. . .

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      I know more than you drink.
    12. Re:The what towers? by Zelet · · Score: 2

      Because in the Two Towers there is a creature called Entwise... I think...

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    13. Re:The what towers? by jweatherley · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ents were walking trees.

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    14. Re:The what towers? by Zelet · · Score: 2

      And Treebeard Entwise was the leader of them... more or less. It has been a few years since I read the books.

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      ...And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." - Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984)
    15. Re:The what towers? by salmo · · Score: 3

      First off I don't think that was a grammatical mistake. I think he was expanding the topic of discussion intentionally. What's more interesting to talk about anyway, a trailer for a movie about a book every geek has read multiple times or the death of a legendary musician who helped to redefine the role of the bass in rock music?

      As for the topic of discussion, what exactly is the topic supposed to be. I believe the previous discussion ends up defining the topic more than a headline does anyway. Besides, its not like there are ever any literary discussions or even film discussions worth much around here. Nobody even dares to interpret a work. The deepest they go is to just make sweeping good/bad distinctions. Take the "on topic" comments here. They're not about the quality of the trailer, the pertinence to the book, or even the role of the Who in Rock History. They're quick one liners and talk about how Quicktime/Apple/Sorensen suck.

      This may be news for Nerds, but don't kid yourself: it's news for Computer Nerds. Music Nerds, Film Nerds, Book Nerds, etc. aren't included in that statement. But when I say that I'm not upset with Slashdot itself, or the editors, or even the posters (well... not all of the posters :-). It's their site, to post whatever the hell they want to on. We're free to start our own communities if we want (I have), and they're not responsible to provide everything for us.

    16. Re:The what towers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, you are confused. You are probably thinking of Sam, full name: Samwise Gamgee. Treebeard is not given a last name - there is no such person as "entwise". Anyway, Treebeard is just a kind of human nickname - Fangorn = Treebeard - as his full Entish name would be too long and complicated for humans to understand.

    17. Re:The what towers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAH, Another classic from the Slashdot Family

    18. Re:The what towers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should be a good movie!

    19. Re:The what towers? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Hey, you try posting a short paragraph a few times a day; it takes too much time to worry about spelling...

  2. didn't... by TweeKinDaBahx · · Score: 0

    this same headline come out last week?!

  3. The Who Towers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man... W isn't even close to T... what's Taco doing on Sunday nights these days... geez!

  4. The Who Towers? by eddy+the+lip · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is that the Seuss version?

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    1. Re:The Who Towers? by ImaLamer · · Score: 1
      It's Tommy in a depth perception tank...

    2. Re:The Who Towers? by daeley · · Score: 5, Funny

      Methinks CmdrTaco was entirely too hasty with his message, harrroom harrrrooooommm, very hasty indeed.

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      I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
    3. Re:The Who Towers? by revscat · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I think CmdrTaco is a big fan of The Who. Probably a Freudian slip, considering the recent death of their bassist. Who knows.



      Wait, that was a pun. Hahaha ha. Haha. Ha.

      Hmph.
    4. Re:The Who Towers? by Eccles · · Score: 1

      Hmm. You know, I'm sure a bad Ent Whistle joke is lurking in there somewhere.

      Now that sounds like a challenge. Here goes:

      Q: Do ents come when you whistle?

      A: Are you kidding? It takes them 3 to 4 days just to "get in the mood!"

      Best I can come up with spur of the moment; perhaps someone else can do better?

      --
      Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
  5. Re:Who Towers? by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or maybe it's just the greatest fantasy/sci-fi crossover of all time.

  6. The Who's going to be in the two towers? by Whispers_in_the_dark · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Or do I need thicker glasses? :)

    1. Re:The Who's going to be in the two towers? by 3Suns · · Score: 2

      Nope. Seems that before his death, The Who bassist John Entwistle was cast in the Two Towers. As an Ent. Who whistles.

      ...k, I'll shut up now...

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      -3Suns

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  7. Typo Alert by Wrexen · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I think it's the "Two Towers" not "Who Towers", Taco. Way to proofread! At least the link works

  8. Re:Who Towers? by Schrodinger's+Mouse · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, this one involves the Ent(wistle)s.

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    *****

    There are many people in this country who, through no fault of their own, are sane.

  9. Re:Who Towers? by ElJefe · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's just a Freudian slip. You know, like when you say one thing and mean your mother...

    -Chris

  10. The who? by Kizzle · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The Who Towers?
    Sounds like a Dr.seuss movie.

  11. slashdotting by Phosphor3k · · Score: 0, Troll

    Pulling it down at ~90k a second as of the begining of this post.....we'll se if i can get all 34mb down =)

    1. Re:slashdotting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      165kbps :)

    2. Re:slashdotting by Phosphor3k · · Score: 1

      90k = 720 kbps I'm still going strong.

    3. Re:slashdotting by tweakt · · Score: 2

      133.3KBytes/sec, just over 4min to download =) Seems to be holding up quite nicely.

  12. Re:Who Towers? by geomon · · Score: 2

    Aye, "Dr. Who and the Two Towers".

    Leave it to Hollywood to find a nice, punchy title to grace this soon-to-be classic sci/fi thriller.

    --
    "Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
  13. Go see it in the theater. by User+956 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just go see it in the theater on Wednesday. It's being shown with Men in Black 2.

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    1. Re:Go see it in the theater. by Quizme2000 · · Score: 2

      Another spoiler trailer...Why go and see the movie if there just going to give it away in the previews?

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      "Get them before they get....
    2. Re:Go see it in the theater. by jonabbey · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or better yet, if it's still playing in your area, go see The Fellowship of the Ring one more time, and see the 3 minute preview for The Two Towers that they tacked on to the end of the last reel of the movie back in March.

      There's little in the new trailer that wasn't in the preview, aside from Cate Blanchett's voice over, and there's a lot of cool stuff in the preview that isn't in the trailer.

    3. Re:Go see it in the theater. by twenex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And I heard there's plenty of spoilers in the book of the same name that they have already released. I guess you shouldn't read that either.

    4. Re:Go see it in the theater. by SpryGuy · · Score: 1

      Just for the record, I went to see Fellowship of the Ring last weekend. It's still playing in a first-run theater here. At the end, instead of fading out to "Directed by Peter Jackson" as Frodo and Sam were walking away, it faded to "This Christmas, the story continues...", followed by a LENGTHY preview of The Two Towers. I was very surprised... it was VERY cool.

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      - Spryguy
      There are three kinds of people in this world: those that can count and those that can't
    5. Re:Go see it in the theater. by jcoleman · · Score: 2

      Or you could go see it right now playing as an actual *trailer* on FotR. This has been playing for maybe two months on FotR in the second-run theaters.

      There may be some small differences, but they look pretty much the same to me.

  14. lorl by mastorial · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    wopz! i guess tacoz a byg time partrr or smth loooooooololol

  15. Re:Who Towers? by lionchild · · Score: 1

    The good Doctor is in this one? Now that, I gotta see. I didn't realize we should have been looking for the Tardis in the first movie! No I gotta go see it again!

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  16. Spoiler alert by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny
    A few people have pointed out that Apple has put a trailer online for The Who Towers

    Huh. Keep your eyes open for "Entwhistle the White", I guess...

    --

    Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    1. Re:Spoiler alert by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 5, Funny

      With a guest appearance by Tommy Bombadil, the blind creature of the forest who can play a mean game of pinball...

    2. Re:Spoiler alert by bpfinn · · Score: 1

      The ring.... It wants you to beat the high score.

    3. Re:Spoiler alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shouldn't that be Entwhistle the Ent of Fangor ;)

    4. Re:Spoiler alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      damnit, too funny.

      can't stop laughing

      ahhhhhhh

  17. Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    then again, we already knew that it will look similar to the 1st one, and most of us know the story already as well. Another thing, I get the distinct feeling that /. readers who do not have Quicktime, often advertise the fact in a way that suggests they are proud of it. Why is that?

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    1. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by reverius · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since you sound like a newbie, I'll explain it for you. I'll try to be as unbiased and non-opinionated as possible.

      Basically, the slashdot community (not as a whole, but large portions of it) dislike Apple and or Quicktime and or Sorenson for one of the following reasons:

      1) Apple is a bad/evil company, and we don't like them.
      2) We don't have Quicktime on Linux, and a few of us use linux while many of us talk about it.
      3) We don't have the Sorenson codec in any other players, so the Quicktime player is required, but isn't on linux (see #2).

      Therefore, it becomes cool to shun Quicktime, or to be proud of not using it.

      Please don't make me say all that again. :)

      -- Reverius

    2. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by DeepZenPill · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And for those of use who have Windows, well shit, I don't feel like downloading a new program just to play some movies. Microsoft gave me a perfectly good Media Player with Windows. Not to mention a Web Browser, E-mail Client, Instant message program...

    3. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by jonabbey · · Score: 2

      Who here talks about Linux without using it? And why in the world would they bother to do that?

      Or are you simply wanting to denigrate Linux zealots for their clear unreasonableness in running Linux? In which case, why do you bother to hang out on the Slashdot boards?

    4. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by binaryDigit · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Hey, your post should be used by the DOJ as proof that being able to bundle/integrate applications in/with the OS provides M$ with an unfair advantage, as even a "technical" person as yourself doesn't "feel like" taking the time/effort to download additional 3rd party software.

    5. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quicktime is yucky because it CONSTANTLY asks you to upgrade to the Pro version. I hate that kind of shit in my software.

      No idealogical problems here, though....

    6. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by reverius · · Score: 1

      I think you missed my point. One of the common arguments that quicktime is bad (and that the slashdot crew are hypocrites, supposedly) is that "we all use linux (or like it), and there's no Quicktime for linux". Or at least that because the slashdot crew have a tendancy to endorse (if not use) linux, most slashdotters find it hypocritical for them to use Quicktime if it's not available on Linux.

    7. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by mjpaci · · Score: 5, Informative

      Set your clock to one year in the future. Launch Quicktime. Close Quicktime. Set clock to correct time. *POOF* no more "Upgrade to PRO" questions.

      --Mike

    8. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by jweatherley · · Score: 1

      And for those of use who have MacOS, well shit, I don't feel like downloading a new program just to play some pr0n. Apple gave me a perfectly good Quicktime Player with MacOS. Not to mention a variety of Web Browsers, E-mail Client, Instant message program...

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    9. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by nicku · · Score: 1

      I remember seeing a /. article saying Xine (xine.sf.net) can play Sorenson clips now...havent tried it yet though.

      You could also use CrossOver which works great.

    10. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by reverius · · Score: 2

      Xine only plays Sorenson v1; most clips these days are encoded with Sorenson v3, and Xine cannot play those. Nor can mplayer (which can also play v1).

      Also, the sound cannot be decoded by Xine in more modern clips for the same reason.

    11. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by Huge+Pi+Removal · · Score: 2

      Apple? An evil bad company? I mean yes, they're a company, they're out to make money, they probably do some dodgy things that are morally dubious (and no, I don't mean produce a lime iMac...although that was *nearly* evil).

      However, they're OSS with Darwin, and are really trying to get into the whole Open Source thing. They're putting out some cool hardware (the XServe is *much* more than just a pretty box). They're really trying to listen to what consumers want (both pro and domestic, which is *hard*), and also what developers need.

      I know, I think they should put out QT for Linux. I run FreeBSD servers, I think they should put out packages for their various bits of free software (QuickTime Streaming Server, WebObjects adaptors, etc) for FreeBSD. But they are NOT evil!

      And anyway, didn't I see a story the other day about Sorenson coming to Linux? Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think Real or Win Media players were available for Linux either?

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      The right to bear arms is only slightly less stupid than the right to arm bears...
    12. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by reverius · · Score: 1

      About the Apple being a bad/evil company, I only threw that in there because I've seen people say it. They have their reasons - look around on some of the apple threads at apple.slashdot.org.

      As for the video players/codecs... Linux does have the ability to play most formats/codecs through its two main video players: Xine and MPlayer. I am not sure about the features of Xine (besides that it has a nice GUI and plays DVD's), but MPlayer will play almost anything you throw at it: AVI (using native and Windows dll's), MPEG, and even Quicktime.

      However, a few things need to be noted about Quicktime support. First, Xine was the first program to have it - they deserve the credit for that. Second, in both implementations, only Sorenson v1 is supported.

      Most current quicktime videos are encoded with Sorenson v3, which is not supported.

    13. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by Huge+Pi+Removal · · Score: 2

      Ah, don't believe everything you read on /. :)

      As for something *good* that Apple's doing with regards video codecs, take their fight against the MPEG board about the 'per-play' license. Apple aren't going to release QT 6 properly until they can talk the MPEG people out of it :)

      Xine looks impressive, BTW.

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      - Oliver

      The right to bear arms is only slightly less stupid than the right to arm bears...
    14. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is a good/not evil company and i like them.
      I would rather be a minority with my own opinion
      than a spineless, mob mentality, closed minded fuckwit, such as yourself.

      Fucking retard.

    15. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Who here talks about Linux without using it? And why in the world would they bother to do that?

      Since you sound like a newbie, I'll explain it for you...

    16. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      Isn't that more work than just clicking "Annoy me later"? (or whatever the button text is -- I haven't installed Quicktime since V4, so I may be way off)

      --Jeremy

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      Jesus was a liberal
    17. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by prmths · · Score: 1

      mplayer seems to play the audio in this clip... sounds like the same one that was posted earlier...

    18. Re:Hmm, not much to see in that preview... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or even better H4xor
      go to www.astalavista.box.sk
      type in quicktime 5, get the key generator
      duh !

      If they never really wanted you to own it they would not put it where you could find it so easily

  18. Why this ? by Vought+28 · · Score: 1

    Although the first movie was enjoyable, why do they always make movies based on books we've all already read? When I go to see it I already know what's going to happen at the end. No suspense. I heard they were going to make a movie about "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card. We've all read the book already...it was required reading to get in the chess club in high school.

    1. Re:Why this ? by Thorstein · · Score: 1

      "'ey, moron!" Hehe... All three movies were filmed at once. Now Jackson is working on the Hobbit. Thorstein

    2. Re:Why this ? by Vought+28 · · Score: 1

      You missed the point entirely. Somehow I'm not surprised.

    3. Re:Why this ? by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      why do they always make movies based on books we've all already read?

      Probably because they figure that books that nobody reads will translate real well into movies that nobody sees.

      Of course, you could just stop reading.

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    4. Re:Why this ? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Although the first movie was enjoyable, why do they always make movies based on books we've all already read?
      Because they know for a fact that you are willing to give them money to see it.

      But to tell the truth, I hadn't read Starship Troopers before I saw the movie...

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    5. Re:Why this ? by Bearpaw · · Score: 2
      Although the first movie was enjoyable, why do they always make movies based on books we've all already read?

      Simple. Because enough people are willing to pay enough money to see such movies.

      The more interesting question is why so many people are willing to pay money to see such movies.

      For me, for this particular example, I was willing to pay money because it looked like this particular translation of a story from one artisitic format to another was worthing paying to see. Happily, it turned out that I was correct. (So far, anyway. I hope the next two movies are as enjoyable.)

    6. Re:Why this ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because SOME of us haven't read the book.

      Just because You've read the book, dosn't mean everybody has read the book.

      (I spent more time spellchecking this post that writing it, and I probably still spelled things wrong)

    7. Re:Why this ? by WEFUNK · · Score: 2

      Although the first movie was enjoyable, why do they always make movies based on books we've all already read?

      Because otherwise you'd be complaining about why they always make books based on movies we've already seen.

      When I go to see it I already know what's going to happen at the end. No suspense.

      I also know what's going to happen at the end when I re-read the LOTR or watch a good movie (or Simpsons episode for that matter) twice. Doesn't stop me from enjoying them the second time though.

      I enjoy good movies with plenty of suspense, but I also worry that too many modern filmakers misinterpret or misapply the success of movies like the Sixth Sense and Pulp Fiction to create movies with trick endings while sacrificing the rest of the film.

      Some of the best films have obvious or familiar plots and conclusions but distinguish themselves in other ways. And some are just plain silly and fun. LOTR (on film) is probably somewhere in the middle.

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    8. Re:Why this ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But to tell the truth, I hadn't read Starship Troopers before I saw the movie.

      Definitely a plus, since the movie had absolutely nothing in common with the book (even more so than usual in Hollywood).

  19. WOW! This just in.... by Thorstein · · Score: 1

    The Two Towers Trailer has been on line for months in one form or another. As for the one attached to the movie: I dloaded it off Kazaa a month ago. Allinall, I CAN'T F-ING WAIT ANY LONGER!!!!!!!

    1. Re:WOW! This just in.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy duplicate story, Batman!

  20. Re:Who Towers? by JordanH · · Score: 1
    I think what he's trying to say is that The Who Towers over all other Rock-and-Roll bands.

    I don't know what this has to do with LoTR, though...

  21. How far we've come.... by Picass0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Star Wars EP. III *Yawn*

    Lord of the Rings Part II !!!WHOHOOO!!!

    I definately sense a cultural shift among geeks. Or is it just that PLOT DOES MATTER!!!

    1. Re:How far we've come.... by eyeball · · Score: 1
      Star Wars EP. III *Yawn*

      Lord of the Rings Part II !!!WHOHOOO!!!


      Star Wars EP. III: Apples
      Lord of the Rings Part II: Oranges

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    2. Re:How far we've come.... by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      The problem is, the plot for LOTR is 50, 70 years old? (Sorry, can't remember). What it means is that there are no new ideas. (Although some would include Matrix. I've only seen it once, so won't editorialize on it). Or, there are no good new interpretations of old memes.

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      Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
    3. Re:How far we've come.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Star Wars EP. III: Apples Lord of the Rings Part II: Oranges
      right you are! especially considering the apples forgot to hire some talented people to screenwrite and direct.
    4. Re:How far we've come.... by sphealey · · Score: 2
      The problem is, the plot for LOTR is 50, 70 years old? (Sorry, can't remember). What it means is that there are no new ideas.
      Try, um, 3000 - 4000 years old? In written form anyway? Tolkien was in perfect agreement with the 1920s Hollywood mogul who said, "there are are only 5 stories in human history: we are just retelling those five in different forms".

      sPh

    5. Re:How far we've come.... by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      I agree with the sentiment, to an extent. The themes, ideas, broad strokes are 3k-4k years old. The plot isn't. The details, the elven poetry, the description of Mordor is ~70 years old.

      That's why I said later on that there are no good new interpretations on old memes.

      Maybe I wrote it so that it wasn't easily understood. Dunno.

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    6. Re:How far we've come.... by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Tolkien was in perfect agreement with the 1920s Hollywood mogul who said, "there are are only 5 stories in human history: we are just retelling those five in different forms".

      Hollywood mogul? I thought it was Joseph Campbell, oft quoted. Specifically, I think he was quoted by Opie-- er, Ron Howard-- in the commentary track on the Apollo 13 DVD.

    7. Re:How far we've come.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that George Lucas is a horrible writer and a bad director. And that is all.

    8. Re:How far we've come.... by hey! · · Score: 2

      The problem is, the plot for LOTR is 50, 70 years old?

      J.R.R. Tolkien, Oxford Professor of Anglo-Saxon, is no doubt spinning in his grave. An old-fashioned story -- heaven forfendd

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  22. So? by rtphokie · · Score: 1

    Who really cares? I just dont get all this hype about movie trailers. They are often misleading and dont really give you an acurate feeling for what the movie will be like. It's hard to do that in 30 seconds even with finished clips.

    1. Re:So? by Pahroza · · Score: 1

      Strangely enough though, in the case of LoTR, it really is only a teaser, because the movie itself will be just as amazing. How do I know? Just wait and see ;)

    2. Re:So? by Ashtangi · · Score: 1
      True. I went to see the movie "Tapeheads" based on a scene in the TV trailer. The scene was cut from the movie . . . wouldn't that be false advertising?

      Even though I know the story, I still don't want to see any previews or trailers before I see the movie. I suppose this means burying my head in the sand for the next six months . . .

  23. September 11th name change by SomethingOrOther · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wouldn't suprise me if they did change the name to "The Who Towers"
    I recall reading a massive rant and online petition asking for the name to be changed 'cos they thought "The Two Towers" had some sort of terrorist connetation.

    How anyone can confise New York with the Shires in Middle Earth is beyond me.

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  24. The Who Towers? by jeffy124 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ya know, CmdrTaco, there are doctors out there that can help you with your depression since the loss of John Entwistle of The Who.

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  25. Linux: mplayer by crow · · Score: 2

    I just downloaded it, and mplayer plays the audio just fine, but I'm not getting the video. Is there a working Linux codec?

    1. Re:Linux: mplayer by matusa · · Score: 2

      mplayer CVS can get the video. Xine can play the video, also.

      mplayer-0.90pre5 isn't new enough

    2. Re:Linux: mplayer by matusa · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sorry, it's sorenson level v3 (SVQ3) so both xine and new (cvs) mplayer can play only the audio. Because of the furious work on this front, however, this may change. I hope so.

      I told my friends not to watch the last trailer because of the spoiler.

    3. Re:Linux: mplayer by crow · · Score: 2

      Yup, I just updated from CVS and rebuilt, and it still doesn't play. In fact, now the audio is skipping, whereas it sounded fine when I was using the rpm packages. Oh well. At least Yatta still plays fine. :)

    4. Re:Linux: mplayer by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2

      So....anyone grabbed the higher-quality version and transcoded it to DivX or something yet? (or even SVQ1, like the lower quality version earlier?)...

    5. Re:Linux: mplayer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I told my friends not to watch the last trailer because of the spoiler.

      So now you and 2 other people haven't seen it.

  26. The Who Towers? by peatbakke · · Score: 1

    Horton Hears a Who has a sequel?

    Maybe Entwistle isn't really dead?

    Oh, wait. You meant The Two Towers.

    Hmm. You know, I'm sure a bad Ent Whistle joke is lurking in there somewhere.

  27. Don't be silly by chegosaurus · · Score: 3, Funny

    To do that they'd have to go out, and quite possibly interact with real people.

  28. Quit whining! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    so if you have broadband and the ability to play video in Apple's favorite format, you can check it out. I'm 0 for 2, so I guess I'll wait.

    Quit whining and switch. Its UNIX. I am sure WorldCom is going to have some real good deals on bandwidth very soon.

  29. Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Who Towers" -- that would be the movie where Islamic extremists hijack an airliner and crash it into John Entwistle?

  30. Homage to the band by EyesWideOpen · · Score: 2

    A few people have pointed out that Apple has put a trailer online for The Who Towers

    CmdrTaco has already expressed his [very high] opinion of the band 'The Who' so I wonder if this could be an intentional typo?

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    1. Re:Homage to the band by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, he's just dumb.

    2. Re:Homage to the band by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "Nah, he's just dumb." ...said the guy who couldn't figure out how to register a nickname. ;)

  31. Same as last week's? by LordBodak · · Score: 1

    So is this the same one that was going around last week, or is it a new one?

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    1. Re:Same as last week's? by Winterblink · · Score: 1

      This is the exact same trailer as last week, but is of FAR better quality.

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  32. No talent hacks? by Codex+The+Sloth · · Score: 2

    I think it has something to do with Hollywood being a bunch of clueless old hacks. Coming up with good ideas is (evidently) hard so everyone says "Hey alot of people like that book, lets make a movie of it but we'll have to take a bunch of stuff out and/or change the ending to make it work".

    The other lame idea factory is to take a subculture and then do a movie "about" it but adding bank robbers and/or a love interest to make it accesible to the common man.

    What do you want them to do, actually get people to come up with original ideas to create a movie around?

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    1. Re:No talent hacks? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "The other lame idea factory is to take a subculture and then do a movie "about" it but adding bank robbers and/or a love interest to make it accesible to the common man."

      Didn't Home Alone 3 involve some sort of terrorist plot?

      I agree with your point in general, but I haveta defend Lord of the Rings. It turned out pretty good.

      I miss the 80's, though. Movies like Back to the Future, Ghostbusters, Robocop, etc... were fun to watch and quite entertaining. I can't believe that spirit is virtually obliterated. Eventually somebody'll figure it out and start making movies to have fun again.

  33. Excitement! by Marque_Off · · Score: 0, Troll

    this same headline come out last week?!Shouldn't that be "Two Towers"? Man... W isn't even close to T... what's Taco doing on Sunday nights these days... geez! Is that the Seuss version? This is the voice of World Control. I bring you Peace.frost pits! ...or do I need thicker glasses? :) I think it's the "Two Towers" not "Who Towers", Taco. Is that the Seuss version? This is the voice of World Control. I bring you Peace.frost pits! ...or do I need thicker glasses? :) The Two Towers Trailer has been on line for months in one form or another. As for the Tardis in the chess club in high school. Way to proofread! At least the link works. What the hell is a Who Tower? I dedication to the movie: I dloaded it off Kazaa a month ago. Allinall, I CAN'T F-ING WAIT ANY LONGER!!!!!!! Although the first movie! No I gotta go see it I already know what's going to make a movie about "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card. We've all read the book already...it was required reading to get in the first movie was enjoyable, why do they always make movies based on books we've all already read? When I go to see it I already know what's going to make a movie about "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card. When I go to see it I already know what's going to happen at the end. No suspense. Way to proofread! At least the link works. What the hell is a Who Tower? A dedication to the 1st one, and most of us know the story already as well. Another thing, I get the distinct feeling that /. readers who do not have Quicktime, often advertise the fact. Why is that?.

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    1. Re:Excitement! by drewbradford · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, 'T' is the third key to the right of 'W'. While certainly it could have been closer, for instance: 'Q', 'S' and 'R' are all immediately adjacent to 'W', I believe that it is certainly possible to mistakenly hit 'W' when intending to hit 'T', and vice versa.

    2. Re:Excitement! by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, 'T' is the third key to the right of 'W'. While certainly it could have been closer, for instance: 'Q', 'S' and 'R' are all immediately adjacent to 'W',I believe that it is certainly possible to mistakenly hit 'W' when intending to hit 'T', and vice versa.

      And 'w' is only the fourth key to the left of 'h' on a completely different row...... or did you think 'Two' should have been spelled 'Tho'?

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  34. He stands like a statue... by carlos_benj · · Score: 5, Funny

    Becomes part of the machine
    Bad spelin's comin' at you
    His grammar is obscene
    Ain't seen nothin' like him
    In any other website at all
    That /. wizard sure trys to get any mention of The Who into a headline even if it don't rhyme and messes up the cadence of the song.....

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    1. Re:He stands like a statue... by arloguthrie · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      See me. Hear me. Spell me.

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    2. Re:He stands like a statue... by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      See me. Hear me. Spell me.

      No, it's

      See me.
      Feel me.
      Touch me.
      Speel me.

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  35. Bender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ". No suspense. I heard they were going to make a movie about "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card"

    When Taco announces it, it will be called "Bender's Game" or something like that!!!

  36. Why QuickTime? by wzzrd · · Score: 0

    Can someone clarify this?

    Why the bloody hell does every movie trailer these days seem to be QuickTime? I hate that stuff! Not only is it rather hard to play in linux, and does the streaming hardly work but I happen to have a completely different view of what 'full screen' is (namely 'full screen'), than Apple too (namely 'smallish movie in center of screen').

    I understand mpg is not very pretty and realvideo sucks even worse. And although I understand DivX would have it's downsides too, I would REALLY prefer that media type for my trailers....

    1. Re:Why QuickTime? by SirRichardPumpaloaf · · Score: 1

      It's in Quicktime because Apple is the one doing it. If you'd rather have another format you should pay to license the trailer, set up your own big server and high-bandwidth connection, and stream it however you want. In the meantime, quit complaining about what Apple is giving you for free.

    2. Re:Why QuickTime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you'd rather have another format you should pay to license the trailer,

      What? Are you suggesting that Apple is paying the movie studio to run a commercial for a movie?

      I know Apple has made a few financial blunders in the past but I don't think they're that stupid.

      Next up: The NFL starts paying advertisers to get them to run ads during the Superbowl.

  37. "The who towers", of course by Dix_sw · · Score: 2, Funny

    The sequel to "The yellowship of the king", from the great book "The nerd of the rings" ^_^

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  38. This story is a dup by SquadBoy · · Score: 1, Redundant

    of http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/25/171124 2&mode=nested&tid=97
    *and* it had a very bad typo. Come on guys. This is just silly. Oh and was not the name two towers about the statues of the kings bu the river and not the towers they talk about in the trailer?

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    1. Re:This story is a dup by crawling_chaos · · Score: 2

      If memory serves correctly, The two towers referred to in the title of the book were the Towers of Minas Anor and Minas Ithil in Gondor. The Nazgul took Minas Ithil and it was renamed Minas Morgul. After the fall of Osgiliath, Minas Anor was renamed Minas Torith.

      Now will it be Ringwraith Japanese, Chinese, French, or Italian?
      </KAGA>

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    2. Re:This story is a dup by tuffy · · Score: 2
      Oh and was not the name two towers about the statues of the kings bu the river and not the towers they talk about in the trailer?

      Exactly which two towers the title refers to is largely speculative, near as I can tell. Keep in mind the titles for the "trilogy" weren't Tolkien's originally (in particular, he didn't like "Return of the King" since he thought it gave away too much of the plot). Remember, LOTR was meant to be released as a single work and was broken up into three parts due to a shortage of paper at the time.

      That said, a case can be made for any number of things to be the actual "Two Towers", but one shouldn't get too worked up over it. :)

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    3. Re:This story is a dup by Maverick+TimeSurfer · · Score: 1

      In "The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien", JRRT states that he decided to go with that title BECAUSE it was ambiguous(sp?) and could refer to many different things.

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    4. Re:This story is a dup by Flamerule · · Score: 4, Informative
      I'll make this a meta-comment in response to the parent and the other responses.

      There are several interpretations one can make as to which "Two Towers" Tolkien was talking about: Orthanc and Barad-Dûr, Minas Tirith (Anor) and Minas Morgul (Ithil)... I hadn't heard anyone say they were supposed to be the Argonath before, tho...

      In any case, there is a very strong case (see item #3) that the one true interpretation, what Tolkien intended, is for the Two Towers to refer to Orthanc and Minas Morgul, because these are the goals of the split parties of the Fellowship in Books III and IV, respectively. This is in contrast to the above reply that state's Book IV's goal was Barad-Dûr; Frodo and Sam don't even really enter Mordor until Book V. Additionally, the note at the end of The Fellowship of the Ring in the 3-volume edition of LotR refers to Orthanc and Minas Morgul as "The Two Towers", and Tolkien's own illustration for The Two Towers was clearly of those 2 structures.

    5. Re:This story is a dup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This IS different. The new one is a) hosted by apple, and b) of much higher quality

    6. Re:This story is a dup by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

      I think I was wrong. Thanks for all the info everyone. :)

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    7. Re:This story is a dup by elmegil · · Score: 1
      Obligatory Spelling Nitpick:

      It's Minas Tirith.

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    8. Re:This story is a dup by Rupert · · Score: 2

      As I pointed out here, it is pretty clear that Tolkein thought the Two Towers were Minas Morgul and Orthanc.

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    9. Re:This story is a dup by weakethics · · Score: 1

      Dude. This is slashdot.
      You never, ever, ever admit that you were wrong about anything.

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    10. Re:This story is a dup by dvicci · · Score: 1

      It's not only clear, it's definitive. At the end of FotR, you can find the following text:

      The second part is called THE TWO TOWERS, since the events recounted in it are dominated by ORTHANC, the citadel of Saruman, and the fortress of MINAS MORGUL that guards the secret entrance to Mordor; it tells of the deeds and perils of all the members of the now sundered fellowship, until the coming of the Great Darkness.

      Unfortunately, this isn't printed in the latest movie versions of the volumes, so if you don't have one of several previous printings, you won't see it.

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    11. Re:This story is a dup by ocbwilg · · Score: 2

      *and* it had a very bad typo.

      That wasn't a typo, it was intentional. I think it was actually suppposed to be some sort of meta-joke. A very bad meta-joke, though.

    12. Re:This story is a dup by nemomty · · Score: 1

      I think you are wrong. The Lord of the rings was written in parts. Six, actually. But later bound into books of two parts each. Ther WERE NOT published at the same time, but not because of a shortage of paper, but because Tolkien had not finished the last books.

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    13. Re:This story is a dup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why he said think even though a mountain of evidence just proved he was wrong.

    14. Re:This story is a dup by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2, Funny
      Now will it be Ringwraith Japanese, Chinese, French, or Italian?

      Great, now I'm sitting here bursting brain cells pondering Chen Kenichi's reaction when he finds out the Secret Ingredient is "Lembas"...

    15. Re:This story is a dup by somnambulant · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure Tolkien was talking not only about the tower's of Orthanc and Barad-Dur, but also was making a bit of a joke about Frodo and Sam.

      At the start of "The Two Towers" (end of "The Fellowship of the Ring") Frodo and Sam break off from the rest of the Fellowship. They are "towers" of a different kind.

      chris.

  39. Just when you thouight .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The editorial quality couldn't sink any lower ...

  40. Release date? by jcsehak · · Score: 1

    So when is "The Return of Elvis" coming out?

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    1. Re:Release date? by Shrubbman · · Score: 1

      Oh Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell don't have a distributor for "Bubba Hotep" yet, so it could be a while before to see an 80-something elvis team up with a geriatric, black JFK tangling with a mummy stealing the souls of the elderly from their Texas retirement home.

  41. Use Kazaa Lite by Moderator · · Score: 0

    Filename: Lord Of The Rings - The Two Towers.mov
    Filesize: 38,890KB

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  42. Don't be silly 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    seeing The Two Towers trailer isn't worth sitting through Men in Black 2

  43. Re:Who Towers? by carlos_benj · · Score: 2, Funny

    My favorite scene is when Frodo has to evade the Dalek.

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  44. shameless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps the next movie should be Return of the Entwhistle. 70s music afficianados will be up in arms!

  45. SPOILER! Plot line revealed! by jhampson · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm told by secret sources that a guy named "Tolkien"(sounds like a 37337 name) has let the cat out of the bag and has written spoilers to this movie and, get this, The Next One! He must have been a key grip or something on the film crew, as he seems to have real inside information.

  46. Re:Who Towers? by zer0vector · · Score: 1

    He must have realized that the current poll was meaningless, since it is obvious The Who is the greatest rock bacnd of all time.

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  47. Doesn't work in Windows either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quicktime is bloody hell in Windows, also. If Apple wants to woo Windows owners, it had better do something about it! As it is, Quicktime is the most exposure to Apple products that Windows users have, and it is worse than just about everything else out there.

    (I had to install it again last night just to see a .mov file. I took it off again because with all the splattered commandeering of file extensions, Apple actually discourages you from keeping it installed)

  48. Excellent! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    The WHO had an awesome play with "Tommy" and now they have not only managed an amazing comeback to Rock, but they also have a New Fantasy Rock-opera!

    This is killer!!!

    thanks TACO!

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  49. Damn! by funwithBSD · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought they had finally talked Tom Baker into making a movie.
    I am *SO* disappointed.

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    1. Re:Damn! by PCM2 · · Score: 2
      I thought they had finally talked Tom Baker into making a movie. I am *SO* disappointed.
      Tom Baker was in the movie Dungeons and Dragons playing a wizard-y guy. Not quite as satisfying as having him in LotR, I'll admit...
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  50. The Two Towers by Rupert · · Score: 2

    is about the journeys of the fractions of the Fellowship towards Isengard (Tower of Orthanc) (Book III) and Mordor (Tower of Barad-Dur) (Book IV).

    The Gates of the Argonath to whic you refer, while spectacular, play no further part in the plot.

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    1. Re:The Two Towers by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

      but I'm pretty damned sure that in the foreward it says that because much of the action take place in the region of Argonath that the name was about the gates. I'll have to go home and check. Does anyone have a copy in their hand?

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    2. Re:The Two Towers by tuffy · · Score: 1

      Here's some actual information on the title. (Don't worry, in spite of the odd-sounding domain, the link in genuine)

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    3. Re:The Two Towers by Rupert · · Score: 2

      Ahah! I have been waiting for an excuse to break the shrinkwrap on the boxed set my parents gave me last year (the twenty-year-old paperbacks finally gave out).

      OK, this is the 1997 Harper Collins paperback. The cover of TTT is a picture drawn by JRRT. From the back cover: "It shows the One Ring above Mount Doom, flanked by the towers of Minas Morgul and Orthanc, while above it flies a Nazgul. The tengwar inscription oin the centre reads, 'In the land of Mordor where the shadwows lie.'"

      So I was wrong, but not nearly as wrong as you :-P

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    4. Re:The Two Towers by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

      Cool thanks for the info. :)

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  51. Apple is a bad/evil company? by dnorman · · Score: 0, Troll

    OK... I might need a little clarification on that one... Apple is bad/evil, why?

    I might have missed something, but I thought they were playing nicely with the Open Source community, with the *BSD stuff and all...

    Or, are they evil simply because they haven't paid to port Quicktime to a marginal OS?

    Thanks for the clarification.

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    1. Re:Apple is a bad/evil company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're evil because of the smugness with which Steve Jobs, at a press conference in 1984, introduced the Macintosh as a sealed 'hacker proof' computer.

      Anybody with a long memory hates the son of a bitch even today and avoids Apple hardware like the plague.

    2. Re:Apple is a bad/evil company? by binaryDigit · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      True, creating a computer that appeals to the masses that don't care about mucking with the thing and just want to get some work done is an act of 100% pure evil.

    3. Re:Apple is a bad/evil company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when has any company ever had to pay to
      port something over to Linux?

      All they have to do is get off their intellectual
      propery owning asses and grant permission to port!

      There at least a hundred programmers here that would
      do it for free if they wouldnt get sued to hell and back hahaha

    4. Re:Apple is a bad/evil company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, you're right.

      And if we could just get those greedy Diamond Mine owners to quit hoarding the mineshafts to themselves, thousands of people would rush right in to help get those gemstones out.

      Don't even get me going on the selfish counterproductive managers of banks who won't let volunteer homeless people count the cash and band it into packs of fifty bills for the vault.

    5. Re:Apple is a bad/evil company? by Eccles · · Score: 1

      I might have missed something, but I thought [Apple] were playing nicely with the Open Source community, with the *BSD stuff and all...

      Apple has a tendency to throw lawyers at anyone who creates something with an Apple "look and feel", such as Aqua-like themes at themes.org.

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    6. Re:Apple is a bad/evil company? by dnorman · · Score: 1

      Wait a second... So I'm a troll because I describe Linux as a marginal OS? Good freakin' lord, people. This moderation stuff is bullshit, imposed by Linux zealots.

      I'm all for Linux, and think its a Good Thing, but you people also need to be self-aware enough to know that it IS STILL A MARGINAL OS! It's technically superior to many of the alternatives, but there aren't enough real-world users for it to be described as anything but marginal. Not a judgement statement, but a market share reality.

      Yeesh.

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    7. Re:Apple is a bad/evil company? by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Or, are they evil simply because they haven't paid to port Quicktime to a marginal OS?

      They're evil because they are publishing information for interchange, in a format that requires patent licensing (or infringing, take your pick) to read.

      Porting Quicktime to any particular OS, would not solve the problem. They would have to port it to every OS that people use for multimedia playback, and as some kind of library instead of as a player application.

      Of course, as far as "evil" goes, it's pretty weak. You can Just Say No and live w/out yet another fluffy trailer. This isn't something that anybody needs.

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    8. Re:Apple is a bad/evil company? by Azghoul · · Score: 1

      What an idiot.

      So how many web servers in the world does Linux have to run before you'll consider it something more than marginal.

      Think about this, market share genius: Is Ferrari a "marginal" car company?

    9. Re:Apple is a bad/evil company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is if you're a tech priest who lived behind the glass walls and frowned upon, and denied computer time to, all who did not bask in your glory. There seems to be a distinct subset here who misses the old days.

    10. Re:Apple is a bad/evil company? by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      How many web servers need a copy of quicktime? Also, while Ferraris are cool, I doubt I could go down to my local auto repair shop and pick up parts for a "mainstream" Ferrari.

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    11. Re:Apple is a bad/evil company? by dnorman · · Score: 1

      Nobody here was talking about SERVERS. Hell, for all I know, the LOTR Two Towers trailer could be served from a Linux box (the quicktime streaming server runs JUST FINE on linux...)

      But, who in their right mind would be trying to view a trailer on a linux server?

      The point is, of the subset of all systems in use that are likely to be attempting to view this kind of thing, linux is definitely a minority/marginal/rare OS. That's NOT A BAD THING, but it has to be acknowledged.

      Oh, and I think the Ferrari comparison is more than a little weak... You don't have to configure/make/install a Ferrari. Any schmoe with enough cash can drive away in one and be in bliss. To properly use (or enjoy) linux, you need to have much more time than money. Again, not a bad thing, but definitely NOT a Ferrari, either.

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  52. Re:Some mirrors, for the bandwidth-impaired by tweakt · · Score: 0, Troll
    Looks like Slashdot isn't the only one covering this

    Yeah, what else is new.. when's the last time you saw an original news peice on slashdot?

  53. hmm, reminds me of the 80's by DooBall · · Score: 1

    towards the mid-end of the trailer (1:28), where their riding down the stairs on horses...

    it has a kind of an oldschool 80's fantasy movie feel, only a lot better looking. good times, good times

  54. There's nothing new anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you expect? There is nothing really new to see except for the effects. All the basics of storytelling were hashed out and done into the ground hundreds of years ago.

    Want an original story? You won't see it. Think of a movie you love that WAS original? It really wasn't.

  55. This a repeat from Last Week by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Is it really that slow of a news day?

    Two Towers Teaser Trailer

  56. Uhhh... by Clue4All · · Score: 1

    A few people have pointed out that Apple has put a trailer online for The Who Towers, so if you have broadband and the ability to play video in Apple's favorite format, you can check it out. I'm 0 for 2, so I guess I'll wait.

    It would appear that broadband isn't the only thing you're missing, chief.

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  57. Family Man by nullard · · Score: 0

    I went to see Family Man based on the use of a Talking Heads song in the advertisement. The song was not used in the movie. Had I not gone to see that movie, I wouldn't have gotten together with my psychotic ex-gf (it was our first date). Can I sue for mental anguish?

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    1. Re:Family Man by rworne · · Score: 1
      Man, are you misleaded!

      Lots of action film trailers use that musical score from "Aliens" where they blow up the atmosphere processor.

      Granted its a great score, but does just about every trailer have to use it?

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    2. Re:Family Man by Ozymandias_KoK · · Score: 1

      It's from Holst's The Planets -- Mars, Bringer of War. Listen to the piece and you will hear it crop quite a lot. It also makes an appearance in several of the Star Wars themes as well. Get a little grounding in "classical" music, it's amusing to see where it turns up.

    3. Re:Family Man by rworne · · Score: 1
      Odd, I have that piece (and the CD of "The Planets" and yes- I listened to it a few times) but for some reason I could not place it as Holst. The only blatant use of "Mars" I remember from the movies was in AFAIR, "The Right Stuff".

      The bit of music I remember from "Aliens" and the trailers is the particular 8 seconds they always seem to play, and those 8 seconds do not remind me of the piece.

      That does explain my confusion over why that music cropped up a lot on trailers, even crossing over to other studios aside from 20th. That was a real head-scratcher until you explained why.

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  58. Apple IS a bad/evil company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple is indeed a bad/evil company:

    - they charge hundreds of dollars too much for their hardware.

    - they are basically fooling the tech community which should know better by marketing machines based on what they look like instead of what they do. What are we, a bunch of Martha Stewarts? Since when does looks determine the best computer?

    - Their lawyers over the years have filed many frivolous lawsuits (ranging from ones suing companies for also stealing the Xerox GUI that Apple stole to the one suing Emachines for building an iMac look-alike that was a lot better for a lot less money).

    - Their current ad campaign is at least 50% fiction.

    1. Re:Apple IS a bad/evil company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're possibly trolling, but I'll bite anyway--if you aren't, you haven't paid much attention recently.

      * Apple hardware is pretty price-competitive with Dell, IMHO. This argument was once true. Not so much anymore.

      * Marketing based on looks? Who'd think of that? Hmm... Just about every product industry in the world. Wake up! People buy *ice cream scoops* from Crate & Barrel because they're *blue*. People buy cars, furniture, woodworking tools, utensils, appliances, etc. because of looks.

      * Corporations filing lawsuits. Duh. That's part of the nature of a big corporation--protecting their bottom line!

      * Ad campaigns are lies. Woah. Got me there. Guess I believe everything I see.

      No, Apple isn't some world-saving movement. But I'd hardly say it's more "evil" than any other Fortune 500 company--and there are a *ton* worse.

    2. Re:Apple IS a bad/evil company by toblak · · Score: 1

      And did somebody hold a gun to your head and force you to buy their hardware? If you don't think their machines are worth the cost, fine, don't buy one. I don't see how a company, assigning a price to one of its products, means it's bad.

    3. Re:Apple IS a bad/evil company by MoneyT · · Score: 2

      Personaly, with the exception of their towers, I find Apple's prices quite reasonable considering I've never had a mac seriously die on me. OTOH I've had my PCs randomly stop working all together after the addition of a sound card, I've had fans in powersupplies die and spark, I've had motherbords start smoking and in general have not had great experiences with any PC that I didn't build by hand. But seeing as how I can't build Apples by hand, compared with prebuilts from other companies, Apples computers a fairly reasonable.

      Who are they fooling? In case you haven't noticed, Gandma Bessie doesn't need the latest quake cruncher. And personaly, I like a computer that not only is cool, but looks cool too. With the exception of some of the later iMacs (before the latest revision) Apple has generaly made very cool machines. Yeah colors look funky at first, but after a while, they're actualy great. Apple's machines look like they belong in a room, they don't look like a box you want to hide under a desk.

      The look and feel suit against Microsoft was over the fact that microsoft stole the code directly out of the old Macintosh computers (microsoft had access to prototypes for software development and reverse engineered the OS). And the lawsuit against eMachines was perfectly valid. That did look almost exactly like an iMac, and Apple owned the rights to that design, just like coke owns the rights to the coke bottle design.

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    4. Re:Apple IS a bad/evil company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they don't look like a box you want to hide under a desk

      This is only a recent development in the PC world - everyone adding glow-in-the-dark racing stripes and stupid little plastic windows (OOO! I can see my CPU!) to their machines. (Hint for you weirdos: If you want to see the inside of your computer, leave the case off. Helps with cooling too)

      Every time I see a PC like this, I wonder if the owner has to hide the damn thing under their bed to get some sleep at night.

      But being more serious, why do you care so much about the appearance of a PC? Your toaster and microwave aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing, but you don't complain about their appearance. I imagine your fridge's appearance is more functional than artistic - why is the computer something that should be prettied up? Would you like to use it as a conversation piece at dinner parties instead of as a tool?

    5. Re:Apple IS a bad/evil company by MoneyT · · Score: 2

      Actualy, have you looked at most of the newest toasters and microwaves? Lot's of them are loaded with asthetic designs all made to make things look better. Look at most new fridges too. Curved handles, shiny black, silver lining etc etc etc. While there is a functionality, there is plenty of style to it as well, and so it is with a mac. The iMacs have colors for style, but the actual design was because a handle on top is the best way to cary an all in one.

      The new iMacs look sleek for style, but an easily moveable LCD screen and a neck that can support the wieght of the computer is loads of functionality.

      The old iBooks were bubbly for style, but also because they were touted as laptops for students, those damn things don't break when you drop em (I know believe me).

      The new ones are compact for lots of functionality.

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  59. Bad links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Bad links, please don't click them! At least the 7th one has a trojan on it.

  60. Gandalph by dirvish · · Score: 2, Funny

    Holy shit, Gandalph is alive?

    1. Re:Gandalph by Virtex · · Score: 2

      Oh MAN! You just ruined the whole trailer for me! I guess there's no point in going to see it now.

      :-)

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    2. Re:Gandalph by djneko · · Score: 1

      I was suprised too, when I saw him alive and well, rolling down the Market Street in SF, CA, in a drop top beamer, at the Gay Pride Parade.

      I was like, WTF? how did he survive that fall with the Balrog?

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  61. He's missing idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like he is not one of those idiots who will not let Quicktime trash his system settings.

  62. Re:Some mirrors, for the bandwidth-impaired by Geekboy(Wizard) · · Score: 2

    Looks like Slashdot isn't the only one covering this

    Yeah, what else is new.. when's the last time you saw an original news peice on slashdot?


    The same time I saw perfect spellink on Slashdot.

  63. The Who Towers by rgoer · · Score: 1

    Isn't that Rassilon's tomb in the Death Zone on Gallifrey?

  64. The Who Towers... by xtermz · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... The story of a band of elves living in middle earth, who escape to the upper levels of our planet to sneak into times square and play pinball...all the while searching for the golden ring of The Great Pinballio...

    or something..

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  65. Same Trailer, Much Higher Quality.... by bje2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is the same trailer that was reffered to by a story last week...however, it appears to be oh a higher quality...and in a variety of screen sizes...

    also, i saw this after the story was posted last week...from theOneRing.net posted a frame by frame analysis of the trailer...it's pretty cool, and does a good job analyzing what's going on in the teaser trailer...contains major spoilers though, of course, that only matters if you've never read the book...

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    1. Re:Same Trailer, Much Higher Quality.... by Rupert · · Score: 2

      Analysis of the frame with the official movie URL: "Bah. Who's got the frame-by-frame analysis?"

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    2. Re:Same Trailer, Much Higher Quality.... by RedWizzard · · Score: 2
      What I'm very happy about is that it's downloadable. I'm getting really sick of those studios that make trailers in order to advertise movies to us and then make us jump through hoops to see them. I will not look at any trailer that is only available streamed, so if you're not prepared to make your trailer available in a high quality, downloadable format then don't bother. And if I don't see your trailer then the chance of me seeing your movie is significantly reduced.

      Anyway kudos to New Line for listening to what people have said and for delivering what people want.

  66. Re:Who Towers? by geomon · · Score: 2

    Is that the creature that Sam vanquishes by unzipping his costume?

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  67. What are the Who Towers? by Mr.Vince · · Score: 0

    What the hell is that, some twisted sequel to the Grinch?

  68. Subliminal Message? by thelinuxking · · Score: 0

    "The Who Towers" may be CmdrTaco's way of using subliminal messages to try to slant the results of today's Slashdot poll...

  69. Apple is a bad/good company by crow · · Score: 2

    I think it depends on the context. In general, people here are pro-Apple for a number of reasons:

    1) Anything that competes with Microsoft is good.
    2) With OS X, you have a real Unix system.
    3) Did I mention that it's not a Windows company?

    On the other hand, they get their share of flak because:

    1) They're not going out and GPLing lots of code.
    2) They buy software companies and then shut down the non-Mac versions to lock customers in.
    3) Apple has close ties to Disney (mostly via Pixar), and Disney brings with it all sorts of baggage (MPAA and such).
    4) Apple sold its soul to the devil (that deal with Microsoft a few years ago).
    5) Apple has never supported Quicktime/Sorensen for Linux, and though they've pointed fingers as Sorensen, we all believe that with a little pressure from Apple, it would happen.

    So expect a mixed opinion of Apple here on /., depending on who's posting and the context.

    1. Re:Apple is a bad/good company by Surlyboi · · Score: 2

      3) Apple has close ties to Disney (mostly via Pixar), and Disney brings with it all sorts of baggage (MPAA and such).

      This isn't too true anymore, as Pixar's getting out
      of its deal with Disney, ostensibly because Disney's
      a bunch of double-dealing bastards. And Mike "I am
      a human ass" Eisner's "Create a theft"
      speech pretty much says how the powers that be at
      The Other Evil Empire feel about Lil' Stevie...

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  70. Come One, Come All! by Mulletproof · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anal typo bitches unite! Now is your chance to display your stupendous powers of observation, your razor sharp intellect and Sahara dry wit as you keenly point out Who, not What is wrong with this article! Be the envy of your friends,your family, even your dog! Be the first to score a redundant toda-- er... um... ok, nevermind. Join ATB now and recieve a 30% discount off our already low membership rates!

    ~Ahem~ On the topic, I'm am heartend by the fact by the fact these were all filmed at nearly the same time, by the same director. It'll ensure there is no dumbing down as oft happens in sequels these days... Batman comes to mind... I'm sure Spider Man will suffer the same fate... They go from serious to "lets star Jim Carrie in one of these! Wouldn't that be great?!" or "I like the character design. Name? Ummm.. Jar-Jar. See? Kinda just rolls off the tongue."

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    1. Re:Come One, Come All! by p0six · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'll say that I liked Spider-man. I did, it was a good, fun way to spend 2 hours. But how in the world could you "dumb down" Spider-Man? Geez, a movie with such deep lines as "I swear on my father's grave, Spider-Man will pay!", couldn't be dumbed down, could it?

    2. Re:Come One, Come All! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2

      Hey, you misspelled Jim Carrey's name. ;P

    3. Re:Come One, Come All! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>I'm am heartend by the fact by the fact

      What are you, a McDonald's commercial?

    4. Re:Come One, Come All! by RoninM · · Score: 2
      Answer: By sparing Spidey an ass kicking and just making him an indestructable hero that goes from place to place kicking ass and then going home to M.J.

      Despite the dialogue, Spider-man wasn't that dumb of a movie. The hero had weaknesses, he didn't get the girl (although only because he turned her down out of fear she was going to be Spider bait again), and they didn't shrink away from making the Green Goblin Parker's friend's father or from showing Peter's inaction leading to his uncle's death.

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  71. CmdrTaco has no broadband? by malakai · · Score: 1

    ....wtf is this country coming to.

    Someone hurry up and create some hardware less than 150 bucks that provides WiFi routing/relay/hub/proxy support. Plug and play, auto-discovery and routing with nearby networks (wirless and connected). So we can all start building an actual web of connected networks.

  72. Spoilers in LOTR by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's just get all the spoilers out in the open to get it open with:

    Saruman is Gandalf's father.
    Frodo and Samwise are brother and sister.
    Legolas? He's an elf.
    Liv Tyler is really a genetic experiment to see how hot Steve Tyler's lips look on a woman.
    Mordor's primary export? Orcs and spam.
    Gimli? He's a dwarf.
    Having 1,000,000,000 orcs in your army: 1,000,000,000 gold pieces. Having Strider leading your army? Priceless.
    Frodo? He's a hobbit.

    1. Re:Spoilers in LOTR by Stonehand · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just great -- now I've got a mental image of a horde of marching orcs chanting, in unison, "Spam spam spam spam..."

      *shudder*

      And then all the orcs vanish as a sysadmin blackholes Mordor...

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    2. Re:Spoilers in LOTR by Sabalon · · Score: 1

      bloody viking orcs.

    3. Re:Spoilers in LOTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd still love to have Liv's lips wrapped around my...well, you know...

      (I may be a geek, but I love a good woman over coding)

    4. Re:Spoilers in LOTR by TastySiliconWafers · · Score: 1

      Hmm..... when I think of marching orcs chanting in unison, I still hear that song from the original cartoon LOTR films, "Where there's a whip, there's a way. Where there's a whip, there's a way. We don't wanna go no more today, but the Lord Of The Lashes says nay, nay, nay. We're gonna march all day, all day, all day. Where there's a whip, there's a way."

    5. Re:Spoilers in LOTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd still love to have Liv's lips wrapped around my...well, you know...

      Your legolas?

  73. Misleading? by sdjunky · · Score: 1

    It's about right. If the movie follows the 2nd book in the series then it's not misleading.

    Aragorn ( strider ) is going to help with the battle on the frontlines and to reclaim his heritage

    Gandalf returns from the dead as Gandalf the White and more powerful than ever

    Samwise and Frodo trying to get into mordor with Gollum pulled by the lure of the ring to get it back at any cost ( bad hobbitses )

    From what I can see it's pretty much inline

    1. Re:Misleading? by Disevidence · · Score: 2

      Spoiler alert please next time. Its it that hard to put in spoiler in the subject???

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  74. Re:WARNING! GOATSE LINK!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that to say you found that out the hard way?

  75. The Rock is in this, too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...amazing comeback to Rock...

    I thought The Rock was too busy with those scorpion flicks. But now this too?

    A Tolkien-based movie starring Tom Baker and The Rock featuring the ent-whistlin' music of The Who?

    ...Mordor wasteland, it's only Mordor wasteland...

  76. Spoiled spam in LOTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Mordor's primary export? Orcs and spam."

    Come to think of it, southern Minnesota is a lot like Mordor.

    "Gimli? He's a dwarf."

    So that is what his name is? I thought it was Giblets or something like that.

    "see how hot Steve Tyler's lips look on a woman"

    If you attended any of those post-gig parties with Aerosmith, the sight of Tyler's lips on a woman was a common thing.

  77. Hmm... Yeah. Right. by gmhowell · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    You don't have broadband? Sounds like a problem with your employer to me.

    You don't have the ability to play QT movies on your box? Hmm.... MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T INSULT THE PEOPLE WHEN YOU SPEAK TO THEM!! Or maybe you should just use that other partition that you so frequently mention when announcing new game release.

    (-1, troll, flamebait, THE TRUTH. Go ahead. My karma can handle it. Mod me down and I'll come back more powerful than before.)

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    1. Re:Hmm... Yeah. Right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 correct use of than vs. then

    2. Re:Hmm... Yeah. Right. by creative_name · · Score: 1

      Where can I get a beowulf cluster of these!

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    3. Re:Hmm... Yeah. Right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your karma might handle it
      but stupid like yours is rare and we cant get over that in a rush

  78. Re:WARNING! GOATSE LINK!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thankfully no. I always check where the link points, even though /. prints the target domain. Since they started doing that, a popular form of goat troll has been to use another site's redirecting facilities to lure unwitting clickers to their doom.

  79. Rename"The Who Towers" To Something Less Offensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    To: Peter Jackson and New Line Cinema
    Those of us who have seen The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring know what an amazing director Peter Jackson is. When I learned that there apparently was to be a sequel, I was overjoyed. However, Peter Jackson has decided to tastelessly name the sequel "The Who Towers". The title is clearly meant to refer to the attacks on the Whorld Trade Center. In this post-September 11 world, it is unforgiveable that this should be allowed to happen. The idea is both offensive and morally repugnant. Hopefully, when Peter Jackson and, more importantly, New Line Cinema see the number of signatures on this petition, the title will be changed to something a little more sensitive.

    Sincerely,

    The Undersigned

  80. Can't wait till it comes out...(spoiler below) by uberred · · Score: 1

    I wanna see how they do the Ents. Or if they just wuss out and leave them. Which they really can't, because they were instrumental in the destruction of Saruman's tower.

    That brings up a gripe. Why, why, why, did they leave Tom Bombadil and the barrow-wights out of the first movie? Ooh, that made me mad.

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    1. Re:Can't wait till it comes out...(spoiler below) by crosbie · · Score: 1

      Cos JRR wasn't entirely sure they shouldn't have been left out of the LOTR either.

      In the end he left Tom in as a kind of mystery/flaw that in some strange way adds strength/power to the book.

      I guess if you have to cut something out of the movie, it might as well be that which only just made it into the book. In another sense, by missing these out, the 'perfected' movie has a lesser, weaker magic than the original - perhaps a mark of respect?

      LOTR started off as a sequel to the Hobbit and it's early stages have echoes of the kind of thing he wanted to write for his kids as well as the other lighthearted stuff he was writing, though nonetheless worthy. LOTR soon became transformed into the much grander epic we know.

    2. Re:Can't wait till it comes out...(spoiler below) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the first trailer at the end of FotR a few months ago, they actually did have a [brief] shot of an ent. You saw either Merry or Pippin (can't remember which) leaning up against something that looks like a tree and then suddenly an eye opens up in the middle of it. It was the sort of thing you'd miss if you blinked though.

      If I had to guess, I'd say they're probably keeping the Ents in reserve as a surprise for those who haven't read the books and to get a better "Wow!" effect out of those who have. (Kinda like they way they wouldn't reveal anything about what the Balrog looked like before FotR.)

    3. Re:Can't wait till it comes out...(spoiler below) by glitch! · · Score: 2

      That brings up a gripe. Why, why, why, did they leave Tom Bombadil and the barrow-wights out of the first movie?

      I am still not really clear about the connection between Tom and the Ents (is his forest where all the Entwives went?), but I have to agree. Just how IS Pippin going to slay the Nazgul without the dagger from the wight's mound? "Oh, that? I just found it on the road..."

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    4. Re:Can't wait till it comes out...(spoiler below) by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

      When I rewatched the movie last Tuesday they ran a trailer after the movie and before the credits for Two Towers. I am not sure if it is the same being shown on Apple's site.

      There was a brief flash of one of the hobbits grasping the face of an Ent. It was quick, but was there.

    5. Re:Can't wait till it comes out...(spoiler below) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Tom did nothing to advance the story. He is a fanciful diversion, a device to move the book from children's story (The Hobbit) to adult adventure (Lord of the Rings from that point on).

    6. Re:Can't wait till it comes out...(spoiler below) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>> Why, why, why, did they leave Tom Bombadil and the barrow-wights out of the first movie?

      Obviously so that we will have to buy the 'directors cut' version of the DVD!

  81. Spoiler if you haven't read the novel... by zhensel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This was a great trailer until they gave away Gandalf's return. I mean, quite a few people would know this given the wide readership of the books, but for ~half the audience that hasn't read them, isn't this a ridiculously massive spoiler?

    1. Re:Spoiler if you haven't read the novel... by bje2 · · Score: 2

      i thought this at first, but you'd have to think when they start showing the full length trailers, commercial spots, movie posters, etc, that Gandalf will be included in these...much less things like the lists of the cast, etc...that said, i would guess that the majority of people looking forward to the movie (and already downloaded the trailer) already know that gandalf comes back...

      personally i had never read any of the books before i saw the first movie...since then, i've read "The Hobbit", "Fellowship of the Rings", and "The Two Towers"...i'm getting ready to move on to the 3rd of the trilogy...

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    2. Re:Spoiler if you haven't read the novel... by bleckywelcky · · Score: 2



      Exactly what I though. I was okay with everything going on until Gandalf showed up, then I felt shivers down my spine. I mean, come on, there are a lot of people out there who watched FOTR before and haven't read TTT before, don't you wanna feel/hear/experience their shock/amazement/etc when Gandalf shows up? The only hope for this is that the scene was extremely short and Gandalf might look different enough (for an old wizard, I mean they all look the same anyhow, heh) for some people to not make the connection. Hopefully everyone will just be amazed and confused at a second LOTR movie and be baffled over the Two Towers title in spite of 9/11 lol :).

    3. Re:Spoiler if you haven't read the novel... by Green+Light · · Score: 1
      I don't think it was that big of a spoiler. I never read the novels, but I went to see LotR at the theater. After Gandalf fell ito the chasm, I thought about it a bit and determined that he was not dead. My reasoning?
      • We did not see him actually die
      • He seemed too important to the plot
      So, I was not at all surprised to see him in the trailer.
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    4. Re:Spoiler if you haven't read the novel... by PaulBellini · · Score: 1

      Oh my god! The Lone-gunmen^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Gandalf are^H^H^Hisn't dead!

    5. Re:Spoiler if you haven't read the novel... by sohp · · Score: 2

      Maybe it's a spoiler, but maybe for people who haven't read the book, they'll think of it like Obi-Wan coming back whispering in the first Star Wars movie. Or maybe they'll think it's a dream sequence, or a flashback, (like showing Isildur on Mount Doom in FOTR) or any of another million possibilities that don't require Gandalf to actually return from the dead. You and I know what comes next, but just showing Gandalf in the trailer for TTT isn't an automatic spoiler.

    6. Re:Spoiler if you haven't read the novel... by kcbrown · · Score: 2
      Hey! Why'd you have to spoil it for people who haven't seen the spoi^H^H^H^Htrailer and who haven't read the books?

      Bastard!

      :-)

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    7. Re:Spoiler if you haven't read the novel... by cgrayson · · Score: 1
      This was a great trailer until they gave away Gandalf's return. I mean, quite a few people would know this given the wide readership of the books, but for ~half the audience that hasn't read them, isn't this a ridiculously massive spoiler?

      Whether it's a spoiler or not, it makes it clear to movie-goers that Ian McKellen returns in his totally perfectly cast, Oscar-nominated role of Gandalf Grayhame, Stormcrow, Mithrandir.

    8. Re:Spoiler if you haven't read the novel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoiler warning in the subject line!

  82. Another obligatory lame "the Who" joke by protein+folder · · Score: 3, Funny

    And apparently, peter jackson has decided to do a little editorial magic and have gollum making a deal with a spider named boris...

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  83. The masses? The masses pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "True, creating a computer that appeals to the masses"

    Yeah it appeals to the masses. Which is why 93% reject the thing? Must be some sort of new math.

    "just want to get some work done"

    Perhaps that is why the masses reject it. If you are going to get some work done, you'd best get a PC, unless you are making desktop video (Apple does rule in niches, but not general purpose).

    1. Re:The masses? The masses pass by binaryDigit · · Score: 1

      Read my post again

      appeals to the masses that don't care about mucking with the thing

      Not the masses, but a specific subset, and it does appeal to them. Don't want to get into the whole market share/PC+Mac history thing. Just get your "why the masses buy what they buy", vs "buying the best tool for the job" thinking straight, cuz they have nothing to do with each other in the case of computers (and software).

  84. CmdrTaco doesn't have broadband by nanobug · · Score: 1

    Well, according to the Slashdot poll in January this year, CmdrTaco is not like the 80% of /. readers who do have broadband.

    Bandwidth to Home Via...

    C'mon man, what are you waiting for? Get yourself cable!

  85. Re:Who Towers? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1
    Yeah, I remember that scene...

    "Quick! Run out onto the grass!"
    "MOBILIZATION SYSTEM IS IMPAIRED. UNABLE TO EXTERMINATE."
    Heh
  86. Year and a Half? by bersrker · · Score: 0

    It's not another year and a half. They're releasing one each year...Return of the King comes out in a year and a half. The Two Towers is coming out Dec. 2002. Wait...what year is this again?

  87. Apple is devil-spawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "4) Apple sold its soul to the devil (that deal with Microsoft a few years ago)."

    If you look at how important "Applesoft" was to early Apple, and how Gates was in the group that launched the Mac, it isn't just a problem of a few years ago.

    1. Re:Apple is devil-spawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Billie G.'s company wrote software for the Apple II's operating system including AppleSoft BASIC. He had nothing to do with the launch of the Mac other than write some 3rd party software to be sold for the new platform.

  88. Plot? Got ya covered. by Mulletproof · · Score: 2

    Nononono... Starwars has plot for days; Just you already know what's going to happen. Having three prequels certianly doesn't do anything to enhance that. The producers have their work cut out for them trying to keep an audience intrested when they already know the Emperor is going to feed Anakins ego, the princess is going to die and somehow help tip him to the dark side... What do you want to bet Obi-Wan has to open a can of whoop-ass on him?

    You could say that readers already know what's going to happen in the Rings saga, but there is a huge difference between having already seen the vision on the screen, knowing what will probably happen and seeing a masterfully crafted novel done justice on the screen for the first time especially for those of uswhose first exposure to Rings is that screen. Cultural shift? Nah. Star Wars has lots of plot, but after 100's of sci-fi novels and the poor handling in Ep1 (and Ep2; Distinctly different styles from the originals. Overuse of cut sequences), Starwars has lost it's shine to stale franchise whoring.(watching Yoda command a battlefield full of stormtroopers was an unexpect delight :)

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    1. Re:Plot? Got ya covered. by spongman · · Score: 2

      I want to find out how the droids (3po/r2) completely forget to mention to luke in ep.4 that they were on tatooine a few years back, that 3po was built by luke's father, oh and that he's the same guy they're all running from. maybe ben reprograms them.

    2. Re:Plot? Got ya covered. by Ozymandias_KoK · · Score: 1

      Jeezus, did you even see Star Wars? When R2D2 mentions Ben Kenobi, C3PO (?) speculates about a memory wipe. It's brought up in the first movie.

      The more important question is why he doesn't seem to remember them, unless he's just deflecting from the question of ever owning them. Them durn Jedi could be deceptive, from a certain point of view...

  89. Re:Who Towers? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

    "Or maybe it's just the greatest fantasy/sci-fi crossover of all time."

    Kevin Smith is considering a guest appearance by 'Jay and Silent Bob'. I hear the scene where Dr. Who puts a dragon to sleep with his chronic screwdriver is a classic.

  90. Family Man by Mike Oldfield. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I refused to see Family Man because the mike oldfield song was not in it.

  91. Re:Rename"The Who Towers" To Something Less Offens by bje2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Atleast PetitionOnline.com posted a sensible response...

    "Please Note: The Two Towers is the title of the JRR Tolkien book originally published in 1954, the second book of The Lord of the Rings trilogy. The title was thus established some 47 years prior to the attacks on the World Trade Center towers, and there is no evidence to suggest that Peter Jackson meant anything by continuing the same title other than faithfulness to the beloved Tolkien classics. Furthermore, the two distant, opposing towers in the Tolkien classic have very little if anything in common with the two matching towers of the World Trade Center. -- PetitionOnline.com"

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  92. New Topic Suggestion by simetra · · Score: 2

    Please, in the name of god, please, create a category for LOTR so we can ignore it.

    Thanks

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      In the land of Taco, where the shadows lie.
      One topic to rule them all, One topic to find them,
      One topic to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

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  93. Diamonds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're comparing apples to oranges. There is no comparison between actual property and so-called "intellectual property". Apple loses nothing, and puts forth no effort if it allows these ports.

  94. I wonder by nagora · · Score: 0, Troll
    If Jackson has had time to read the book by now?

    Actually, judging by the first film, I wonder if he can read.

    TWW

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    1. Re:I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess insulting Peter Jackson is now flambait material but demonizing George Lucas is the cool thing to do... so I guess you better watch yourself :)

    2. Re:I wonder by nagora · · Score: 2
      I guess insulting Peter Jackson is now flambait material but demonizing George Lucas is the cool thing to do... so I guess you better watch yourself :)

      At least Lucas had it and lost it; Jackson wouldn't know where to look for it.

      TWW

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    3. Re:I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jackson has clearly read the book very thoroughly and completely.

      Perhaps it's your reading comprehension that's at fault?

    4. Re:I wonder by nagora · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Perhaps it's your reading comprehension that's at fault?

      Yes, that's right. I thought Frodo's character developed in the first book, that Gandalf and Sauman didn't get into a ridiculous punch-up, that the Balrog didn't rescue the fellowship from the orcs, that Frodo defied the Nazgul alone at the ford (thus proving that Gandalf's faith was justified) instead of being rescued, that Galadriel made it clear that Frodo was the doom of the elves but that they still would help him, that the Nazgul were dangerous, that no one had time to stop and play balance-the-5000 ton-pilar-of-rock while escaping from Moria, that the watcher in the lake deliberately locked them into Moria, that the Council of Elrond made some sense, that Aragon's sword was reforged from the shards of Narsil, that The Shire didn't have dancing mountains in it, that the travellers actually noticed the stone trolls in the woods, and that the damn story actually worked.

      Silly me, I must be damn near illiterate if I thought I saw all those things in the book when the great Peter "Just Get To The Next Fight Scene" Jackson didn't.

      TW

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    5. Re:I wonder by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      Frodo defied the Nazgul at Rivendell? He made it across the river and then Elrond swept them away - just like in the movie. The small addition of the rescue really was irrelivant to keeping true to the book.

      On the other points, some of them were a little silly (rock balancing) but I really only see the loss of the full Elronds council as serious - I personally am waiting to see what gets into the directors cut DVD, I figure some parts from the book are just too much for most people (and despite being quite a fan, I did not miss Tom Bombadil at all!! I don't think it would have made good movie fodder).

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    6. Re:I wonder by nagora · · Score: 2
      Frodo defied the Nazgul at Rivendell? He made it across the river and then Elrond swept them away - just like in the movie.

      "Come back, come back; to Mordor we will take you"

      "Stick it up your invisible arse!" (I don't have the book handy but I think that's what Frodo said).

      Good old Dave Sim. Pity about issues 201+.

      TWW

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  95. Masses of macses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Not the masses, but a specific subset, and it does appeal to them."

    A tiny subset of the masses is not "the masses".

    "Just get your "why the masses buy what they buy", vs "buying the best tool for the job" thinking straight, cuz they have nothing to do with each"

    They have everything to do with each other; people buy these things because they are the best tool for whatever job they are buying it for.

    1. Re:Masses of macses. by Furry+Ice · · Score: 1

      The cheapest tool is not the best tool, but it will probably sell like hotcakes.

    2. Re:Masses of macses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "people buy these things because they are the best tool for whatever job they are buying it for."

      Really? I got mine because I wanted to lick those shiny buttons!

      Michael*@bigtimeweb.com

    3. Re:Masses of macses. by binaryDigit · · Score: 2

      A tiny subset of the masses is not "the masses".

      No, no, no. Once again I said

      appeals to the masses that don't care about mucking with the thing

      Once again, I'm refering to the a specific set of masses that don't care about mucking with hardware, not the general population. And there are definitely a large number of people who fall into this category. I never said "the masses that want to buy a Mac", you're misunderstanding what I wrote.

      I won't comment about your final statement since it's so naive as to be troll bait.

  96. Re:Who Towers? by npsimons · · Score: 1
    It's just a Freudian slip. You know, like when you say one thing and mean your mother...


    I always thought a Freudian slip was an undergarment that reminded you of your mother . . .

  97. Rob Malda, You Ignorant Slut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    0 for 2? You can't even play a fucking Quicktime movie and you were giving the keynote at a mac show?

    You have been charged with being a poseur.

    Your sentence: To be hung by your underdeveloped testicles until you die.

  98. Re:Who Towers? by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1

    Yep, just a Freudian Slit.

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  99. Balrog was there too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I was like, WTF? how did he survive that fall with the Balrog?"

    Saruman has since outed the Balrog, and he was at the parade as well.

    1. Re:Balrog was there too by djneko · · Score: 1

      I thought that 60 yr old streaker looked a bit too well hung to be a mere human.

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  100. in theaters - Budget theaters only by imhero · · Score: 1

    I had the good fortune of seeing this trailer weeks ago at the end of FOTR. Unfortunately it is out of the local budget house so I can no longer glory in the largeness of it.

  101. Re:Who Towers? by kubrick · · Score: 1

    You mean a Freudian slip *isn't* an item of women's clothing?

    Soft, silky nightwear.... mmmmm...

    [gulp]

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  102. Can Horton Hear 'Em? by sharkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    And does Jim Carrey play the Grinch? Perhaps the Cracks of Doom are on Mt. Crumpet.

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  103. Re:What??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    laugh a-while you can, monkey boy. you have just a bad a typo.

  104. More of this LotR POS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    When are you guys going to grow up and realize that the LotR is a relatively insignificant piece of fiction? Try and read other things, and you'll find out what I mean.

  105. Gandalf Spoiler by Iber · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would they show Gandalf in the preview?

    I know about 60-75% of the people have read the book, but I still think it doesn't make the preview any better and it spoils it for that 40-25% left. I have many friends that are going to be pissed when they see this

    Oh Well, i guess it a movie made mainly for the fans.

    1. Re:Gandalf Spoiler by greymond · · Score: 1

      I agree - my girl-friend never read the books and I have her believing gandolf is dead - now I just got to keep her from seeing any of the previews - oh well

    2. Re:Gandalf Spoiler by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 1

      Yes, my sister hasn't read the books, so I'm going to have to tell her to avoid the trailer now.

      Funny, she's never been in to fantasy, never had any desire to read the books; but when she saw the preview for FotR, she "...just had to go see it." Three times. In the theater. And she's only been to the theater 6 times in the past two years! Including those three trips!!

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  106. Re:WARNING! GOATSE LINK!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    wtf? It really is a goat link...I'm just trying to help people out and I get marked as off-topic. Stupid moderators probably didn't even check the link.

    crackheads.

  107. Re:Rename"The Who Towers" To Something Less Offens by KingoftheEvilDead · · Score: 1

    Quick, somebody alert Homeland Security! Save us from the politically correct!

  108. Re:Who Towers? by Dances+with+Sheep · · Score: 1

    Kindly old man falls off a bridge, regenerates into a form with straighter hair? ... of course, it all adds up now! :)

  109. Don't you mean... by JimTheta · · Score: 2, Funny

    You're "0 for Who"?

    -Grant

  110. Finally! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    A Dr. Seuss movie without Jim Carrey!

  111. The devil was there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "He had nothing to do with the launch of the Mac other than write some 3rd party software to be sold for the new platform."

    .... which was a very important part of the launch the way Apple figured it. Do you happen to recall the posters Apple published at the time of the launch? Featured Billie and a couple of other guys (whatever steve(s) there at the time).

  112. The Who Towers? by Grip3n · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I know the Bass player died, but making a movie about it already? Geez...

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  113. Re:Rename"The Who Towers" To Something Less Offens by Dahan · · Score: 1
    Update, 2002.0509: This petition has been suspended temporarily due to a lack of maintenance by the petition author. -- PetitionOnline.com

    Man, just like Klerck to abandon the cause... BRING BACK THE PAGE-WIDENING POSTS!!!1!

  114. Re:SPOILER! Plot line revealed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tolkien is an English name, and he _wrote_ the script, you dope!! And the book, too!

  115. Picture you upon my knee by saddino · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Just tea for who
    And who for tea
    Just me for you
    And you for me alone

  116. Re:PETER JACKSON IS A HEARTLESS BASTARD by Jacer · · Score: 1

    You're exceptionally ignorant, even for the general population. Let alone a slashdot reader. Peter Jackson didn't name the movies, J.R.R. Tolkein, quite some time before the world trade centers. I'm devestated about the WTC too...devestated at the amount of terrestrial espionage and internal strife from an outside conflict. I'm devestated that we still have to talk about it. I'm devestated that the patriot act shreded the constitution. Most of all, I'm devestated by the stupidity of people like you, it was tragic, but it happened, punish the guilty and get over it.

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  117. Tool / computer comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The better "tool" comparison of Mac vs PC is that of a hammer vs an entire toolbox.

    1. Re:Tool / computer comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The better "tool" comparison of Mac vs PC is that of a hammer vs an entire toolbox.

      I dunno about the machines, but you're pretty much a tool, so I guess you'd know better, mister, "My PC si bettar than yuor MAC lolol"...

    2. Re:Tool / computer comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps even:

      an excellent hammer vs an entire toolbox with several inferior hammers, but not one excellent one...

      I don't use Macs, but what they are good at, they are BLOODY good at. PC's are GOOD at everything, but not bloody good at very much.

      Does that make much sense?

  118. Apple vs Dell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "* Apple hardware is pretty price-competitive with Dell, IMHO. This argument was once true. Not so much anymore"

    A difference of hundreds of dollars is not even close; your typical $900 Dell is comparable to your $1300 Mac.

    1. Re:Apple vs Dell by MoneyT · · Score: 2

      With the minor exception that the Dell is almost guarenteed to break down within a month of use. While I agree that in standard desktop computers, PCs beat macs for initial costs, my experience with Dell machines has been that they are just absolutely horrible machines. Compare maybe Gateway and Apple, but not Dell and Apple.

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  119. Codeweaver Crossover Plugin by debrain · · Score: 2

    I bought the Codeweaver Crossover Plugin the other day and am glad to have done so, even so much that I shamelessly pitch my happiness here. :) I like being able to watch the trailer at home, rather than having to wait for a Windows desktop at work tomorrow.

  120. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  121. Xine plays it by blakestah · · Score: 2

    I am 0 for 2, so check it out

    Taco, taco, taco. A member of the Xine team reverse engineered the svq1 format, so you CAN watch the Two Towers trailer using Xine. At least, it worked for me.

    apt-get install xine-ui
    xine LotR-TwoTowers-Teaser.mov

    Then, drag the little bar back and forth, stop and start a few times, and watch.

    1. Re:Xine plays it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      xine_stop
      xine_stop ignored
      xine_play: xine open file:///usr/share/xine/skins/xine_logo.mpg, start pos = 0, start time = 0 (sec)
      audio_oss_out: AO_CTRL_PLAY_RESUME
      xine: cannot find input plugin for this MRL
      xine_play: xine open XtraStuf.mac/TheTwoTowers_m240.mov, start pos = 0, start time = 0 (sec)
      audio_oss_out: AO_CTRL_PLAY_RESUME
      xine: using input plugin >file< for this MRL (XtraStuf.mac/TheTwoTowers_m240.mov).
      using input plugin 'file' for MRL 'XtraStuf.mac/TheTwoTowers_m240.mov'
      demux_avi: input capabilities = 649
      demux_avi: AVI_init failed (AVI_errno: 9)
      demux_avi: input capabilities = 649
      system layer format 'QUICKTIME' detected.
      xine_play: demuxer failed to start

    2. Re:Xine plays it by blakestah · · Score: 2

      Look - I've watched the dern thing like a dozen times with xine. Crank it up, push play, jiggle the little playback-position bar until you have visual, click full screen, crank the audio, and kick back for a few minutes. I'm using xine from the xine-ui package from Debian unstable.

      Don't forget to jiggle the playback-position bar !!

  122. Re:SPOILER! Plot line revealed! by rppp01 · · Score: 1

    Damn it, I thought I was gonna get the books published first! Well, screw this Tolkien guy. Maybe I could write the history of this Hobbit named bilbo that we see in the movie.......I could call it something like 'Hobbit' or something.

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  123. Good place to pick up the trilogy for cheap by Indy1 · · Score: 2

    I hit my local sam's club today, and they had the LOTR trilogy for 12 bucks. If you havent read the LOTR series yet, here's a cheap way to do so.

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    1. Re:Good place to pick up the trilogy for cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you haven't read the trilogy yet, then you're not really qualified to be here, now are you? All self-respecting nerds read LOTR at least three times: as children, in college, and again as adults.

  124. Re:I wonder... by sconest · · Score: 1

    Someone believed to be funny (well... I hope so) and did this

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  125. Warning - Do not hit links by Indy1 · · Score: 2

    The asshole above is posting false links. The last one may launch a trojan as well. Some mod this cockbreath into oblivon please.

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  126. Spoiler Alert? by sdjunky · · Score: 1

    Put a spoiler alert on a post about a book that's been out forever? Well... ok. But really. Kinda pointless

  127. The links work. Ignore the troll. by Jonathan+Swift · · Score: 0

    The asshole above is posting false links.

    WTF are you talking about? The links work fine. I downloaded the whole trailer.

    1. Re:The links work. Ignore the troll. by Indy1 · · Score: 2

      try link #7. Free hint, make sure you got your virus scanner running first (or use mozilla to open it)

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  128. YOU HAVE BEEN TROLLED. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU HAVE LOST.

    HAVE A NICE DAY.

  129. Re:WARNING! GOATSE LINK!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well apparently there have been alot of false-alarms lately, so the mods probably didn't check the link.

    That only makes it safer for the trolls to hide their goatse.cx landmines :/ Ya gotta hand it to him tho, it's well hidden.

  130. Need...? by pbrice68 · · Score: 1

    I *need* my trailers as much as you *need* your Linux. Linus might be good for those that actually like to tinker with the engine, but what of those that just want to drive the damned thing without hassles. I think Apple is oeffering a specific servie to a specific crowd. Just becasue it isn't your crowd, doesn't mean their evil, it just means you're even more elitist than Apple is accused of being...

  131. Re:Here's some mirrors if you need 'em. by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 1

    Links 1 to 6 look fine (I recognise some of those addresses and they are clean) but 7 looks very nasty and I am not about to click on it to find out.

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  132. Hmmm...? by pbrice68 · · Score: 1

    If you're running an Apple, 10.2 (coming at end of summer) will support auto-detection and connection with a $100 AirPort card and built-in Rendevous networking software... But then again, Apple is evil...

  133. Re:Rename"The Who Towers" To Something Less Offens by UrGeek · · Score: 1

    okay, please, please, please tell me these people are just trolls. No one on Gawd's Green Earth is REALLY that stupid!! And anyway, the WTC was the TWIN Towers, not the Two Towers like the book published in 19-freaking-52, for Took's sake.

  134. Re:Rename"The Who Towers" To Something Less Offens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one of the best petitions I have ever seen. Go read the comments! Anyone who responded to it by flaming the author should voluntarily remove themselves from the gene pool. Talk about fucking idiots... lol. We must stop them before they reproduce!

  135. full screen? by crayz · · Score: 1

    My quicktime thinks this is full screen

    Exactly what is your "completely different view" on what full screen should be, Mr. Wizz?

    1. Re:full screen? by Squarewav · · Score: 1

      if you goto the site with the trailer and select full screen you end up with a small window about 4"x5" with black space surounding it this is at
      1280x1024 on a 19" screen

    2. Re:full screen? by wzzrd · · Score: 0

      Exactly! Nuff said, mr crayz?

  136. Re:SPOILER! Plot line revealed! by mill · · Score: 2, Funny

    This Tolkien guy is a fraud. He leaked the script for "The Fellowship of the Ring" too and his character development and wonderfully thoughtful plot was nowhere to be found in the movie.

    No doubt has he made this and the next one up all by himself as well.

    /mill

  137. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers release date by outz · · Score: 1

    December 18th, 2002 (that's a Wednesday)
    MPAA Rating: PG-13 (There's a contractual obligation not to deliver this film at an R rating; the rating is not official until the MPAA announces it , but expect PG-13).
    Heres a preview, differs from the trailer?

    http://planetmirror.com/pub/movie_trailers/L2Tow er s.mov

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  138. Tom Benzedrino, uh, Bombadil... by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2
    Why, why, why, did they leave Tom Bombadil and the barrow-wights out of the first movie?

    Because, because, because he was just too silly for the movie :-)

    Bear with me - in the book, it wasn't so bad, but then, a lot of people read the book in several "sittings". In the movie, they have to work to keep a "mood" going AND they have to fit the whole thing into a tolerable amount of time (Tom Bombadil would have added, what, at least another 1/2 hour to the movie which was already at 3 hours after cutting?). The giggling, capering 'Deus ex Machina' of Tom Bombadil popping in the middle of 'dark' and dramatic "escape from the Nazgul" situation would have been rather jarring and distracting in the movie, and would have served little purpose, since he's never seen again throughout the rest of the trilogy (but for a brief mention that he won't be leaving his forest to help in the battle).

    This isn't to say that I would have minded seeing them do it ANYWAY, but it was probably difficult enough for them to get most of the people watching to sit still for 3 hours, let alone the 4 or so that it would have gone if Tom Bombadil had interrupted things...

    (Perhaps they could have worked the barrow wight scene directly into the space between fleeing the village and arriving at Bree, without Tom Bombadil at all...)

    So, in short, the "return" on shoe-horning a giggling Tom Bombadil into the movie wouldn't have been worth the effort and damage to the "mood" of the movie at that point and the additional time his appearance would have taken up, and would probably have just confused the audience anyway (especially those who hadn't read the books, and would end up wondering through the next two movies when he'd show up again...)

    1. Re:Tom Benzedrino, uh, Bombadil... by JKR · · Score: 1
      Bombadil was, effectively, the "true-neutral" of Tolkien's middle earth - it's hinted that he's as powerful as the other greats (Gandalf, Elrond) but refuses to participate, and is unaffected by the One Ring. Perhaps reading some of Tolkien's less well-known books (Leaf & Niggle, for example) might explain more.

      (and yes, the Harvard Lampoon version is _very_ funny!)

      Jon

    2. Re:Tom Benzedrino, uh, Bombadil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      O uncool bush
      Unleash this passel
      Of furry cats
      that you hassle
      Though by speed my brain's destroyed
      I'm not half this paranoid!

      (the young 'uns are wondering what the hell we're talking about)

      To the previous poster, the Ringwraith was actually slain by Eowyn, though the hobbit did wound him.

  139. Re:Rename"The Who Towers" To Something Less Offens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it constantly seem to you that the world is laughing at a joke that you don't get?

  140. FULL SCREEN TRAILER IS FULL OF CRAP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I said... yeah that full screen trailer is crappy, what's with the wrapper graphics around it? And it still doesn't fill my screen...

  141. DivX 5 or MPEG2 version of the trailer by TJPile · · Score: 0

    I converted the full screen(640 x 272) QuickTime trailer into an 80MB MPEG2 and a 33MB DivX 5 file. The DivX 5 file is a meg smaller than the original QT file, with no loss in quality. I do, however, lack a place to throw either of these puppies. If you can spare some bandwidth, I'd be happy to send you the file(s) to post.

    E-mail me.

    tjpile - AT - zbzoom - DOT - net

    1. Re:DivX 5 or MPEG2 version of the trailer by Drestin · · Score: 2

      OC-48 at the ready. I couldn't get the audio to convert, what did you use? I e-mailed you, reply and we'll get this up and running.

      db

  142. Jim Carrey by scot4875 · · Score: 1

    Actually, he wasn't a bad choice for a villain. He can do the over-the-top thing better than just about anyone else, which works well for a Batman villain. Although I'm sure their decision to use them was partially based on his wide appeal (ooh, let's generate larger box-office numbers!), he did do a good job.

    The real problem with everything in the series after Tim Burton left is that the movies just sucked in general.

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  143. Re:THOSE INSENSITIVE BASTERDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one strongly support your decision to kill yourself. Now, don't let any of those un-American pinko counselors talk you out of it. Do it for the children!

  144. The wrong two towers? by LatJoor · · Score: 2

    As I recall from the appendices to the Lord of the Rings, the two towers referred to in the name are Orthanc and Minas Tirith, not Orthanc and Barad Dur. It doesn't refer to an alliance, just the fact that the action centers around those two locations.

    1. Re:The wrong two towers? by henni16 · · Score: 1

      That was the same thing I wondered when I saw the trailer; I always thought that the two towers were:

      Either Orthanc and Minas Tirith - as being the "action centers"

      or

      Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul - as being the "good" and the "evil" twin fortresses,
      marking the borderline and the area where the final battle(s) take place.

    2. Re:The wrong two towers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The book does indeed refer to the Two Towers as: Orthanc and Barad Dûr.

      So they're in line.

    3. Re:The wrong two towers? by somnambulant · · Score: 0

      I posted this earlier... The Two Towers refers to both the two actual towers of Orthanc and Barad-Dur, but also the two 'towers' of a different sort, Frodo and Sam.

      Tolkien's little joke.

  145. Re:Rename"The Who Towers" To Something Less Offens by mstorer3772 · · Score: 1

    I find it VASTLY amusing that all the signers of that petition are either:

    a: wondering if this is a great troll or an example of Vast Stupidity
    b: convinced it's a result of stupidity and railing against everyone else (including the hundreds of like-minded posters) who are obviously all morons.

    There is a SINGLE genuine affermative signing in there, and I'm not so sure it's not a joke either.

    I call it a good troll. Well done good sir!

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  146. No one wants to hear what you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    have to say anyways, correct grammar or NOT. Please move on you old geezer, and let us immature slashdotters continue enjoying ourselves without some anal retentive bag of camel semen having an apoplexia over a mispselled wyrd or incorrect usage of a term, even though everyone else seemed to understand what was intended.

  147. Yeah, well... by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    What can I say? :p

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  148. Yes. Yes I am. by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    The Hamburgler helped me right that comment, thanks.

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  149. Re:SPOILER! Plot line revealed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually it's a Dutch name. Some of Tolkien's ancestors were Dutch, and he himself was born in South Africa.

  150. Jim Carrey by Mulletproof · · Score: 2

    Yeah, he's a good actor... But I guess it's just a matter of opinion as far as casting him in that role... Less pet-detective, more villan, I say. But the Batman movie franchise had already turned to shit, so it's not nessisarily his fault.

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  151. Um, Yeaaahh, riggghhhhtt, I'll have to disagree by joel8x · · Score: 1

    Slashdot hates Apple so much that there's this section on the left side of your page called "Sections", and the second link seems to be titled "apple". Upon further reading, there seems to be no sections titled "microsoft", or "sun", or even "linux" for that matter. I guess thats just the way we deal with our enemies, huh.

    I'm sure if enough people asked for a Linux version of Quicktime, it would be made since they could then possibly make money from it (the technology behind Quicktime makes a lot of money for Apple). The problem is the "enough people" part - we also need a Linux based application that takes advantage of quicktime technology, therefore proving to Apple that its a viable platform to make money on, and not just a hand-me-out.

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  152. The horror, oh, the horror... by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    We're talking about hollywood here... Hellloooooo? ;)

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  153. Uhh..... by heinzkeinz · · Score: 1

    if you have broadband and the ability to play video in Apple's favorite format, you can check it out. I'm 0 for 2, so I guess I'll wait.

    Uhh... Am I the only one here who finds it hard to believe that CmdrTaco doesn't have broadband access? Is he really using dial-up to run Slashdot?

    1. Re:Uhh..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commander Taco is some suburb dwelling white boy. Sorry WASPton, East bumfuck isn't wired for broadband yet...

    2. Re:Uhh..... by Joel+Ironstone · · Score: 2

      You tell em sister!

  154. hardly by crayz · · Score: 1

    If you aren't a complete dumbass, and you download the trailer, and watch it in QT, its quite easy to get full screen.

    Just go to Edit->Enable Tracks, and turn off all tracks other than Video 1/Sound 1

    I agree that all that extra crap is annoying, but its not as if its impossible to watch the thing with true full screen.

    Also AFAIK Apple doesn't make these trailers, and they shouldn't be blamed because the LOTR people chose to put that crap on their movie. Most trailers on the Apple site do not have that stuff.

  155. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to lordoftherings.net, they already considered it, right after 9-11. The decided NOT to, because it's a) irrelevant b) fans would kill them

    So we're safe. For now.

  156. Bourne Identity by Malc · · Score: 2

    The Lord of the Rings films are quite unique in Hollywood as they are quite faithful to the book. Now take the Bourne Identity: the only part that resembles the book is the main character's name! Hollywood are kings of assuming people are too stupid to know the truth.

  157. You, sir, are an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The movie is, in fact, the best possible translation of an unfilmable book. Yes, that's right, I said unfilmable and I mean it. Learn something about film writing you putz.

    Better still, find 5 films you like, ask yourself displaying the same pernickity arrongance you display above about WHY you like them, then apply that knowledge to LoTR:FotR THE FILM.

    Having done that you might come away from all this having learned something. Better still, you might be able to go back to the cinema and enjoy the flawless and utterly brilliant Fellowship of the Ring.

    Note to other fan-boys: If you didn't enjoy this film, I'm really really sorry, but I can't help you. I do, however, wish you all the best in the morbid continuation of your miserable life. Perhaps you will be the fist person to lie on your death bed and say "You know, I carelessly enjoyed many fine films that I could have pointlessly trashed."

    1. Re:You, sir, are an idiot by nagora · · Score: 2

      The movie is, in fact, the best possible translation of an unfilmable book. Yes, that's right, I said unfilmable and I mean it.

      Bakshi put more of the first book into an hour of his aborted attempt than Jackson got in to four hours of his drivel. That does not make me feel that the book, especially with Jackson's budget, is "unfilmable".

      The difference is, Bakshi tried and failed, his was a mess but an honest mess, Jackson's mess was dishonest - it didn't even try to adapt the book.

      Learn something about film writing you putz.

      Well, I'm sure you're William Goldman behind that AC so you won't be surprised to learn that adapting a story is all about compression; it's impossible to translate a piece of fiction of any length onto the screen in a sort of one-to-one way so things get compressed. Characters get merged, events are blurred together or removed etc etc. A screenwriter and director have to choose what to do to get the story told in the time available. There are compensations, of course. Tolkien had to spend pages describing things that can be displayed instantly on the screen.

      A good example of this in the film was Rivendell: it was exactly how I imagined it from the book and this was established in a single, 2 or 3 second, long shot which represented a great deal of text from the book. But generally, the compression wins out.

      The test of the adaption is what was taken out and what was left in and what new material had to be introduced to cover over the knife marks.

      Jackson consistantly removed anything which introduced depth to the characters: Frodo's strength in the face of death, Aragon's destiny, even (unbeliveablely) the fact that Galadriel had one of the great rings on her hand while talking to Frodo!

      The material left alone was some dialog, scenery, names and the visual appearance of most characters (almost all of which was done well, very well).

      The material added was utter crap: fight scenes, pointless conversations and the silly "super-orc". A ten year old could write better filler.

      And yet, Jackson had more than any other adapter has ever had: 4 hours of screen time and the budget of a small African nation to film less than 400 pages of book!

      I'm not talking about putting Bombadil back in (it would have been nice in a 12 hr total length to have some of the "unusual" stuff but even in 12 hrs somethings have to go), I'm talking about Bree and Merry's encounter with the Nazgul, or vitally important plot points such as Sam's vision in the Mirror of the events which later do come true in the Shire, or, come to that, Galadriel's gifts to the Fellowship which they have in the boats but which we don't see being given out. But at least we had a long fight scene in Moria to make up for it!

      Better still, you might be able to go back to the cinema and enjoy the flawless and utterly brilliant Fellowship of the Ring.

      Yes. And I'm the "fan-boy" am I?

      It was neither flawless nor brilliant, it was a wasted opportunity. As a film it is mediocre and as an adaptation it stank.

      I've mentioned this several times and, I think, gone some length to justify my position as to what was wrong with the film. No one has challenged any of the points I've made. Instead I get called names by AC's and modded as a troll (on, no, my karma's down to 49, what a shame!).

      Come, on, then, justify your claim that FotR is "Flawless"; demonstrate your expertise in the art of film making (or even logging-in).

      Didn't think so.

      TWW

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    2. Re:You, sir, are an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Bit fast on the draw there, aren't you nagora "no-email" TWW. So you've an anonymous account and you spen half your post slanging me off for posting AC. Sigh. Well, let's ignore the obvious shortcomings of that part of your argument and continue on.

      You obviously have no clue as to what Jackson is attempting to do with the "compression" that he has chosen, note I'm using your words here to avoid confusing you.

      Here's a heads-up: In the first book, it really makes no sense at all why Gandalf chooses Frodo. He has his reasons of course, wizardly and no doubt wise. But we don't know what they are. This would look utterly stupid on film - as with the compression you talk about it would be unavoidable either _giving Gandalf explanitory dialog_ (shudder) or adding more backstory about why hobbits are the perfect choice (ie filming The Hobbit) (ick).

      And here's what Jackson did. The first film is ABOUT Frodo's choice - not Gandalf's. Gandalf has enough fucking choices to make! And so we see the cost to Frodo of his choice. We see that he is such a _man_ (intended) that he can't let his friends suffer for him. And so he sets out alone. The fellowship could follow, easily, but they don't. They realise that Frodo has chosen wisely. THEY validate FRODO's "choice", and we suddenly understand, without a word being spoken to explain, what Gandalf was doing in the Shire. Brilliant filmmaking.

      On to another point: It doesn't matter a damn that Galadriel was holding a ring! We see her longing for the power; we see her self knowledge "All will love me and despair."

      I could go on, but as I read back over your post to find the next point to respond to I realise I don't care enough about you to try and change your mind. Most people I know didn't like the film. But all the real hard-core Tolkien people that I know (including 2 professional writers), the folks who have read the book many times, we all know that the opportunity as you put it, wasn't wasted at all. Sometimes we had to think hard to see why this was left out or that, but in the end the choices are excellent and the film is, quite frankly, flawless.

      It's OK, of course, that you didn't like the film. But to try and dress your dislike in "filmic" terms, and to show off your ignorance of film writing by pretending to criticise the film on those grounds, well that's just intellectual masturbation. Fun, I suppose, but ultimately pointless.

      One last thing: you give away your whole argument when you say "Rivendell was exactly how I imagined it" - that's actually the basis for ALL of your so-called "criticisms" - it just wasn't exactly how you'd seen it in your head. I'm sorry that your imagination is limited in that way, the only thing I can suggest to remedy that is to stop pretending you can write for the screen (writers WRITE) stop spouting pseudo-intellectual nonsense like "they have them in the boats but it would have been nice seeing them given out" - would you just read that back over and understand how stupid that is, I mean really!? Where did they get them?! That is an EXCELLENT "compression" because it doesn't leave anything out at all. Much like the rest of the film. Anyway, bored now, better things to do. Bye.

    3. Re:You, sir, are an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nah you shit me too much I'm going to have to smack you again.

      What the hell do you mean he removed Aragorn's destiny?? Did we watch the same movie? Aragorn's destiny is mentioned THREE TIMES in the film that I remember just sitting here at work. And of course you don't reforge the sword in the first film! That would make Aragorn the obvious insti-leader of the Fellowship, no tension between him and Boromir possible then. Then he's just a lord "slumming it" and we wonder why. But with him actively refusing his destiny the Fellowship all get to shine in their own ways, you get heaps of tension between the "lost king" and the steward etc. You get a great scene where Boromir mocks the sword. Essentially, you bang a nice drum about it, have Aragorn looking at it - but he doesn't ACCEPT his destiny until the second film, possibly not even until Return of the King. So the sword waits until then. It's a symbol, and it was beautifully done. Giving him the sword at the council of Elrond made no sense in the book, was an opportunity lost by Tolkien (you don't just get GIVEN your destiny - you fight for it) and a great change by Jackson.

      And no-one has "challenged" your "points" because they don't make sense. I've just read a few of your other posts on other forums and you have some big impressions of yourself, but as the resoponse to all of your posts that I could access acertains, you have precious little of what most people call "a clue".

      You give away your mentality by another of your "points" when you say "A ten year old could write a better film". Yeah. Right. Whatever. I think the ten-year olds were busy writing Harry Potter when Fellowship was made....

      Oh, yeah, and which of the fight scenes wasn't in the book? At every step you flaw your own arguments.

    4. Re:You, sir, are an idiot by nagora · · Score: 2
      In the first book, it really makes no sense at all why Gandalf chooses Frodo. He has his reasons of course, wizardly and no doubt wise. But we don't know what they are.

      But it becomes clear a two major turning points: the ford and the falls. In both cases Frodo makes important choices on his own. In the film both are skipped (He's rescued at the ford and asks Aragorn's advice at the falls, both greatly weaken his character).

      The first film is ABOUT Frodo's choice - not Gandalf's

      Nope. It's about getting a fast buck in.

      It doesn't matter a damn that Galadriel was holding a ring

      It matters because that is the point at which her people's sacrifice becomes clear. Her personal backing away from temptation is one thing, but there is more at stake than the negative of not getting more power; in fact she is going to let Frodo undo the last kingdom of the elves and lead them into myth.

      I'm sure that the film covered what you got out of the book as it's pretty clear you didn't understand the depths of the book, but that's your problem.

      Try reading it again when you're older.

      TWW

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    5. Re:You, sir, are an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No, it isn't the point at which her people's sacrifice becomes clear you clot. Read the first book again. Then read the series again. Then come back and apologise when you realise how carefully and slowly Tolkien reveals the sacrifice of the elves. You are judging the first film from the point of view of all three books and assorted other son-of-Tolkien rubbish that you have read. That is completely invalid as a standpoint for criticism. What you're essentially asking the filmmaker to do, again, is to make the film in your head. And the filmmaker says, as any filmmaker would, fuck off.

      And OF COURSE the film is about making money, ALL art is about making money, including Tolkien's work. Don't give me that fucking rubbish about him doing it "all for love" and being "forced" to publish. Bunk. The fact is that "doing it for money" means NOTHING when discussing the artistic merit of any movie, book, or other artwork.

      And of course you don't answer my point about the first movie being about Frodo's choice - because you don't have an answer and you realise, deep inside, that I'm right and have just flawed all your carefully constructed hatred of the film, Jackson, et al. Ooops.

      I understand the so-called "depths" of the book perfectly well, as do you, clearly.

      Your two arguments boil down to the following:

      I secretly liked the film, but got a lot of kudos from poo-pooing it, making me the "Tolkien expert" of my peer group. Although I know my argument is spurious, I've strengthened it over a couple of internet stoushes on the topic to the point where I have almost convinced myself that my sophistry is real intelligent criticism of the film's shortcomings.

      God damn that Peter Jackson for not making the film in my head. Now, I can't intelligently explain why the film in my head would be better, but I'll know it when I see it and FotR was not it. So bah to Peter Jackson and more power to me and my wanky commentary on the film's "failings".

      That's all you got, pal.

      As for "read it when you're older" - come on, you can do better than that! It's obvious we've both read it. Why don't you take your best shot, something like "My dad's better than your dad, my dad can beat your dad up....." (rolls eyes).

    6. Re:You, sir, are an idiot by nagora · · Score: 2
      No, it isn't the point at which her people's sacrifice becomes clear you clot. Read the first book again. Then read the series again. Then come back and apologise when you realise how carefully and slowly Tolkien reveals the sacrifice of the elves.

      Page 384, Galadriel talking about Nenya to Frodo:

      Yet if you succeed, then our power is diminished and Lothlorien will fade, and the tides of Time will sweep it all away. We must depart into the West, or dwindle...

      The fact is that "doing it for money" means NOTHING when discussing the artistic merit of any movie, book, or other artwork.

      Unless that's the only reason.

      And of course you don't answer my point about the first movie being about Frodo's choice - because you don't have an answer

      It had more to do with going for the train but also this gets off the subject and into debating the book's meaning. It can be argued that the story in the book is indeed about Frodo's choice but I would say that the book is more concerned with duty than choices; and with the loneliness and sacrifice that can come from duty.

      This brings us back to your previous comments about Tolkien getting it wrong in the book by not having Aragorn debating about whether he wants his destiny or not. That's fine for a different story but it is a very republican idea which has no place in Aragorn's story which is meant to be an idealistic vision of monarchy. Aragorn is the king, as was his father before him. In this world view the idea of Aragorn resenting his role makes no more sense then him wondering if the sky's the right colour.

      In the book this is the reason that there is no real tension from Aragorn to Boromir but only from Boromir to Aragorn: Arogorn is the king and Boromir's opinion is irrelevant, if Boromir was unhappy about Aragorn's height Aragorn would have no more reason to cause friction than he does when he resents Aragorn's kingship. That's not to say Aragorn is insensitive to it, just that there is very little he can or wants to do about it; it's Boromir's problem, not his.

      The book is not really about being given or fighting for your destiny, it's about living with it and accepting it and not abusing it.

      I secretly liked the film, but got a lot of kudos from poo-pooing it, making me the "Tolkien expert" of my peer group.

      My peer group includes several Tolkien experts, one of whom liked the film; I was looking forward to the film and went the first night I could get tickets. As I've said before: as a film in its own right it's fair but as an adaption it was a waste of my and the studio's money. I thought that the background technicians did some great work and the acting was good to perfect but the foreground technicians (screenwriter and director) were clearly hacks doing a job they had no interest in. Perhaps they were just very bad at their jobs and in fact were sincere but I can't believe anyone that had any feeling for their work could be so dull.

      God damn that Peter Jackson for not making the film in my head. Now, I can't intelligently explain why the film in my head would be better, but I'll know it when I see it and FotR was not it. So bah to Peter Jackson and more power to me and my wanky commentary on the film's "failings".

      This is, obviously, closer to the truth. It is nearly impossible to sit through all the hype and advertising for FotR without imagining what it's going to be like. But I don't think it was an unreasonable to hope for a faithful retelling of the story in its main parts. After all, what's the point of spending all that money on the rights to the book if you don't want to film it? I mean, the alternative is to believe that they bought the rights to the book so that they could trade off the name?!

      So, yes, Jackson didn't make the film in my head, which was much better, to me at least. More to the point, he didn't film what was in Tolkien's head which was better than both. As to the fight scenes, the number of fight scenes is the same in the book an the film (at least there are no new ones in the film), but they are greatly lengthened to the point of tedium. The fight in Moria just went on forever, as did the one at the falls. Did we really lose Radagast the Brown and Farmer Maggot, not to mention the Black Breath, in order to watch Legolas riding around on the back of the cave troll? Was Lothlorian cut to ribbons so that we could see Jackson's homage to Predator?

      AND, my dad probably is bigger than your dad.

      TWW

      PS If you really want to continue at any length my email is just the above initials twice with an @ sign between and ".cx" at the end. I used to display it but got too much spam.

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  158. Nothing wrong with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hollywood are kings of assuming people are too stupid to know the truth."

    Why does it matter? Often, the film is much better than the original material. I'm not talking about obscure ones here. Please read the original story for "2001" (not the novel made of the movie afterwards), the novel "Who Censored Roger Rabbit", and "Dances with Wolves". The films were all much better that the original stories/books.

  159. Yeah, exactly. by uberred · · Score: 1

    That was the major major thing that needed to be set up. Anyway.

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  160. You, sir, are a wanker by nagora · · Score: 2
    Oh, yeah, and which of the fight scenes wasn't in the book?

    Oh, just go and read the book, will you?

    TWW

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    1. Re:You, sir, are a wanker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me: Oh, yeah, and which of the fight scenes wasn't in the book?
      You: Oh, just go and read the book, will you?

      Typical, and no answer, because again you know I'm right. Go on then hotshot, which fight scene wasn't in the book?

  161. Now that is a post I respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I loved that - read it and soaked it up. Good stuff. Now we're talking. I will email you and we'll continue this without the name calling, ok?

    Don't know if we'll convince each other - but perhaps you can see some things you missed in the film and I can see some things I missed in the book, or something.

    Cheers!