gold was widely valued for jewellery and money long before the age of electronics
Jewelry has no utility, and in those times (my understanding - I could be wrong) the elite/ruling class were the only ones with gold jewelry.
In a really bad scenario I feel there wouldn't be a highly-priveleged "elite" for a period of time. What I mean by that is I don't think many people will be seeking out jewelry - they'll be seeking out food, tools, etc.
I think Fonik nailed it. I didn't even think of spices and salt, but historically there have been a ridiculous amount of wars fought over them. Salt in particular because it is useful for a crazy amount of things.
In fact I think I would stock up on salt like a mofo. It can be used a very effective preservative/desiccant for meat, if you don't get enough than hyponatremia (googl'd, it's the condition of low sodium) which is why you'll see predator and prey alike sharing a salt lick in peace. I believe it has a few medical uses too.
The other thing that would be good would be coffee. Both of those commodities have a massive advantage over stockpiling gold:
They are incredibly cheap, and traded in massive volume. Stockpiling gold would work I imagine - but it's already a valuable commodity. I feel you could amass far more wealth (and therefore food..hopefully survival) via salt and coffee. If no one has coffee in your town and you literally have tons of it, or salt you have them by the short hairs.
1) I will literally fly you down to dallas texas at my expense to show you just how hard I want to "make you." 2) I actually can offer something superior: An image of you just after you shoot yourself in the head, hit a neonatal trajectory, have to do it again..3 or 4 times before dying in agony. On live cam, and the rats are clawing your dead lifeless eyeballs and fighting over the 13 grains of gray matter you may possess.
Yes...Dallas Texas and NYC I know personally have them competing in a few areas. Julius heights and lake highlands in dallas, and Kiev nearly all of NYC.
I once did an overhaul on a company that had a extranet-type backend for B2B purchases of very, very expensive equipment. They didn't verify POST data server-side... There was no authentication for the back end..etc.
Gold is still only as valuable as people perceive it. Gold as a currency is still a goddamn currency. Sure, it may have utility in the modern age (electronics)..but if half the NWO conspiracy actually happened the shit would hit the fan so to speak.
In an SHTF scenario (in which technology is completely or mostly wiped out..or at least the highest tiers of fabrication) I've always held the belief that gold will be valuable - sure - but goods with actual utility will be much more valuable.
If things got super bad (nuclear war etc), and there weren't steel mills I think steel would be the thing to have. Steel has so much utility that if it were even 200% it's current rarity (steel mills dissapearing would probably mean a 10s of thousands of % increase in rarity) it would certainly be the currency of choice. We know how to smelt and cast it, so it can be used for coins. We can turn it into other useful implements (think tools)..we can use it to keep us safer via reinforcing, we can make weapons out of it, farming implements, car parts (which would be INCREDIBLY valuable), and a million other uses.
The only huge utility gold has is in nano to micro-meter thick coatings for conductivity as far as I know. I'm assuming in an SHTF scenario we won't be manufacturing PCB-based electronics for a pretty good while (at least a couple years I would think.)
All I know is that personally in an SHTF scenario pre-65 silver coins and gold would be a lot less valuable than implements to get food, water, shelter, etc..or hell even food itself. I certainly wouldn't trade food for gold. Honestly I don't think dollars would become as worthless as some people think. They are still a convenient way of representing wealth. Even if they aren't government backed or the government is in anarchy...in an SHTF scenario there wouldn't be currency exchanges etc.
You know I meant flagrant haha. I'm not gonna blame it on my phone's auto-correct, but I did type that entire thing (quite a goddamn challenge) on a phone. So you know...it's in the realm of possibility:).
Yeah I didn't see that until a couple of hours after I posted it. I read one of the comments below that mentioned it, and went back and saw it on the bottom of the article.
I'm not sure if it was there when I posted though.
Yeah..my post was pretty poorly written to top things off. It was pretty late, and I was posting it from my cell phone in bed..not a happy combo.
I think my cell phone must have turned "functionalize" into "fictionalize." In my nanotech materials class the professor actually talked about a "detection cocktail" which is really cool.
Apparently (this has been done in rats in vivo) scientists have been able to functionalize large amounts of quantum dots tailored to various wavelengths. So they can inject a bunch of quantum dots functionalized with various antibodies and/or antigens. So let's say they want to test for lung cancer and breast cancer. Let's say the functionalized dot for lung cancer emits at 450nm and the one for breast cancer at 480nm. So you just put them in a magnetic field, and watch for those 2 wavelengths..a high concentration of light means a tumor.
Imagine that but with literally 50 or 60 types of detection at once. Supposedly none of the downsides or toxicity of isotopic dye. Though that is still to be conclusively determined.
Carbon nanotubes and buckeyballs are equally awesome by the way.
"You can keep your plan" "America is the greatest country in the world now join my in changing it" "I will work to close gitmo"...so that's not exactly irrational.
Think public healthcare is a waste of money whilst not understanding the new laws
Well if we are going to evaluate this objectively, and we have results...the best way to evaluate is using those results yes?
Well the results for a huge swath of America have been massively increased premiums. Whether you understand the new laws or not...if something causes you to pay more for less..you're not going to like it. That's not even touching on the Obama-hate-motivated dislike many people share.
believe Snowden was serving in the public's interest
Publishing ALL of those documents was irresponsible. However, most people don't see that as the greatest issue at hand. To some people individual rights are still absolutely and utterly paramount.
Since the NSA was fragrantly violating the rights of the public (and still is), so attempting to curb the action is acting in the public interest isn't it? Even if he had no intent to act in the public interest, and released information contrary to public interest, that singular fact means at least in some way he was acting in the interest of the public at least a bit. You know since there is no non-trivial-brightline to decide "yes" or "no."
blame colleges (and not the lack of a subsidised education system) on student debt;
First of all your argument is terrible because we already have a subsidized university and college system to a great extent. Not only that, but it is responsible for a large portion of the debt. The subsidized Stafford loan is responsible for some massive percentage of student debt. Second there is a lot of evidence that universities, and even colleges are incredibly wasteful. They are almost as bad as the federal government when it comes to trimming the fat. When a university spends $1,250 on a crappy dell opteron with 3gb of ram, no video chipset, a 160gb harddrive, and some crappy Core 2 Duo or at best an i3...that's a big problem. I've seen exactly that personally. Not only that, but it's under contract! The excuse was "the opterons are supposed to be "business class" and "really robust"" without even focusing on failure rates.
are pro-life and would like to see abortion made illegal
I believe the whole point is they see it as murder. If you see a fetus as already a human abortion could definitely be seen as a horrible abomination. Personally I think the uncared children are a lot worse tragedy, so I'm pro-choice. However, I can most certainly understand the logic behind both sides.
are against banning assault weapons
I own a few guns, and I shoot from time to time, and I consider myself pro gun. However I'm not gonna argue against an assault weapons on actual assault weapons. The problem is that the last 2 assault weapon bills have had parameters that include FAR more than just classical assault weapons.
Just saying most of the things you posted have 2 valid sides to them...astrology does not. You seem to have kind of a polarized view of the world..
There is a VERY promising area of research using quantum dots. Tailor the dot's wavelength to IR and fictionalize it with an antigen. Once put in a magnetic field the dots emit IR attached (on a nano scale) to the cancer site.
Burn baby burn.
Ps: the dots can be used for incredibly improved detection cocktails.
In the US you can lose/win a criminal trial and then win/lose a civil suit. In this case he won the criminal trial and lost a civil suit (how the gov can file a civil suit I have no idea I don't know France) which can happen in the US as well. OJ owed (owes?) a bunch of money in restitution after his little incident, because he lost the civil suit.
I can't just post nekkid photos of myself on a publicly accessible and indexed web page and then start suing people when they mock me for them...
Except that you can totally do that. You shouldn't be able to, and probably won't win..but it's attempted on a semi-regular basis I think. Also the word nekkid is hilarious.
Yeah this isn't a "door was left open" scenario. That scenario is more comparable to network infrastructure without a password on it like ssh. There is a door, but it's been left unlocked. This wasn't even a house (private network) this was a public place.
In the scenario we're talking about the object was both left in a public place and said public place was referenced in another. I can't think of anything analogous to the real world, but real world analogues only cloud judgement.
The bottom line is this had to be in a directory literally called "public_html" or the equivalent for IIS/Nginx. This folder, and it's contents, are shared with everybody. Not only that, but the URL was advertised in an unspecified public place. This URL was also indexed by google.
Further there were 7GB worth of files..plural..so directory listing was on. This is DIRECT EVIDENCE that the French prosecution/government is simply spinning things.
"In their own investigation, they said, "we then found that it was sufficient to have the full URL to access to the resource on the extranet in order to bypass the authentication rules on this server."
Obviously he didn't need the full URL if he was able to wget 7 gigs worth of text and/or pdf files. If he was able to download the entire directory there was no authentication mechanism to be bypassed, and the only offense by the French government is farcical. This has a double impact, as it also proves this was conclusively NOT an extranet by definition.
So if I was the defense I would say:
1) The "open door" example is intentionally (and obviously) misleading and biased, and that's probably the exact analogy they used. It seems like that analogy gets used in all court cases. 2) There is clear intent by the person who designed the server to make said documents public information. The intent is proven by a very simple fact: the site has been crawled by google. Without a robots.txt google will not crawl your site (at least these days.) As this file must have been created and configured intent couldn't be any more clear. 3) To further prove the intent of the French administrator the files were (most likely willfully and knowingly) placed in a directory specifically marked for sharing files. 4) Laurelli never bypassed (or even provably encountered) any authentication mechanism whatsoever. 5) The French government's argument is non-unique as these documents were already made "public for advertising or promotional purposes" when indexed by google, and this claim is supported by google's own mission statement:
google's mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful."
google's mission statement (by it's own admission) is to make the world's (what they choose..via indexing) information universal. This is obviously for promotional purposes of google and would fall neatly into the definition of "publicizing." So by crawling google announced their intent to publicize the documents, and by indexing said documents as step 1, we have both a provable intent and provable action moving towards publicizing the documents at hand. The next step in publicizing after indexing is of course to wait for users to access and share the content. This is exactly what my client did (teehe I couldn't resist).
In summation it is very clear cut that there is indeed only 1 victim here...but there are 2 villains in this story. The first (and lesser at least under French law) was the network engineer/admin who either misrepresented his/her ability, got lazy, or was grossly negligent.
The second, and greater villain, and the true perpetrator of this crime was google. For the intent of gaining profit using the French government's documents (which google indexed to grow their search database) in the pursuit of adding content for their userbase in an effort to grow said userbase and profit via advertising targeted to it's users.
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Come and get it.
gold was widely valued for jewellery and money long before the age of electronics
Jewelry has no utility, and in those times (my understanding - I could be wrong) the elite/ruling class were the only ones with gold jewelry.
In a really bad scenario I feel there wouldn't be a highly-priveleged "elite" for a period of time. What I mean by that is I don't think many people will be seeking out jewelry - they'll be seeking out food, tools, etc.
I think Fonik nailed it. I didn't even think of spices and salt, but historically there have been a ridiculous amount of wars fought over them. Salt in particular because it is useful for a crazy amount of things.
In fact I think I would stock up on salt like a mofo. It can be used a very effective preservative/desiccant for meat, if you don't get enough than hyponatremia (googl'd, it's the condition of low sodium) which is why you'll see predator and prey alike sharing a salt lick in peace. I believe it has a few medical uses too.
The other thing that would be good would be coffee. Both of those commodities have a massive advantage over stockpiling gold:
They are incredibly cheap, and traded in massive volume. Stockpiling gold would work I imagine - but it's already a valuable commodity. I feel you could amass far more wealth (and therefore food..hopefully survival) via salt and coffee. If no one has coffee in your town and you literally have tons of it, or salt you have them by the short hairs.
I swear that said non-fatal before I hit submit not neonatal..fucking S3 firmware update
1) I will literally fly you down to dallas texas at my expense to show you just how hard I want to "make you."
2) I actually can offer something superior:
An image of you just after you shoot yourself in the head, hit a neonatal trajectory, have to do it again..3 or 4 times before dying in agony. On live cam, and the rats are clawing your dead lifeless eyeballs and fighting over the 13 grains of gray matter you may possess.
areas);
Okay there man you're closing out singular parentheses AND reflexively adding semi colons after the end.
Just close out the IDE man. Its ok sometimes not coding is a good thing.
Yes...Dallas Texas and NYC I know personally have them competing in a few areas. Julius heights and lake highlands in dallas, and Kiev nearly all of NYC.
Even if it's fairly obvious in context...thats the first word I've had to look up in a long long time.
I chose time warner over Comcast in Dallas, Texas. The fuck are you smoking?
I once did an overhaul on a company that had a extranet-type backend for B2B purchases of very, very expensive equipment. They didn't verify POST data server-side...
There was no authentication for the back end..etc.
Gold is still only as valuable as people perceive it. Gold as a currency is still a goddamn currency. Sure, it may have utility in the modern age (electronics)..but if half the NWO conspiracy actually happened the shit would hit the fan so to speak.
In an SHTF scenario (in which technology is completely or mostly wiped out..or at least the highest tiers of fabrication) I've always held the belief that gold will be valuable - sure - but goods with actual utility will be much more valuable.
If things got super bad (nuclear war etc), and there weren't steel mills I think steel would be the thing to have. Steel has so much utility that if it were even 200% it's current rarity (steel mills dissapearing would probably mean a 10s of thousands of % increase in rarity) it would certainly be the currency of choice. We know how to smelt and cast it, so it can be used for coins. We can turn it into other useful implements (think tools)..we can use it to keep us safer via reinforcing, we can make weapons out of it, farming implements, car parts (which would be INCREDIBLY valuable), and a million other uses.
The only huge utility gold has is in nano to micro-meter thick coatings for conductivity as far as I know. I'm assuming in an SHTF scenario we won't be manufacturing PCB-based electronics for a pretty good while (at least a couple years I would think.)
All I know is that personally in an SHTF scenario pre-65 silver coins and gold would be a lot less valuable than implements to get food, water, shelter, etc..or hell even food itself. I certainly wouldn't trade food for gold. Honestly I don't think dollars would become as worthless as some people think. They are still a convenient way of representing wealth. Even if they aren't government backed or the government is in anarchy...in an SHTF scenario there wouldn't be currency exchanges etc.
You know I meant flagrant haha. :).
I'm not gonna blame it on my phone's auto-correct, but I did type that entire thing (quite a goddamn challenge) on a phone. So you know...it's in the realm of possibility
Yeah I didn't see that until a couple of hours after I posted it. I read one of the comments below that mentioned it, and went back and saw it on the bottom of the article.
I'm not sure if it was there when I posted though.
Yeah..my post was pretty poorly written to top things off. It was pretty late, and I was posting it from my cell phone in bed..not a happy combo.
I think my cell phone must have turned "functionalize" into "fictionalize." In my nanotech materials class the professor actually talked about a "detection cocktail" which is really cool.
Apparently (this has been done in rats in vivo) scientists have been able to functionalize large amounts of quantum dots tailored to various wavelengths. So they can inject a bunch of quantum dots functionalized with various antibodies and/or antigens. So let's say they want to test for lung cancer and breast cancer. Let's say the functionalized dot for lung cancer emits at 450nm and the one for breast cancer at 480nm. So you just put them in a magnetic field, and watch for those 2 wavelengths..a high concentration of light means a tumor.
Imagine that but with literally 50 or 60 types of detection at once. Supposedly none of the downsides or toxicity of isotopic dye. Though that is still to be conclusively determined.
Carbon nanotubes and buckeyballs are equally awesome by the way.
The majority of young americans: hate Obama;
"You can keep your plan" "America is the greatest country in the world now join my in changing it" "I will work to close gitmo"...so that's not exactly irrational.
Think public healthcare is a waste of money whilst not understanding the new laws
Well if we are going to evaluate this objectively, and we have results...the best way to evaluate is using those results yes?
Well the results for a huge swath of America have been massively increased premiums. Whether you understand the new laws or not...if something causes you to pay more for less..you're not going to like it. That's not even touching on the Obama-hate-motivated dislike many people share.
believe Snowden was serving in the public's interest
Publishing ALL of those documents was irresponsible. However, most people don't see that as the greatest issue at hand. To some people individual rights are still absolutely and utterly paramount.
Since the NSA was fragrantly violating the rights of the public (and still is), so attempting to curb the action is acting in the public interest isn't it? Even if he had no intent to act in the public interest, and released information contrary to public interest, that singular fact means at least in some way he was acting in the interest of the public at least a bit. You know since there is no non-trivial-brightline to decide "yes" or "no."
blame colleges (and not the lack of a subsidised education system) on student debt;
First of all your argument is terrible because we already have a subsidized university and college system to a great extent. Not only that, but it is responsible for a large portion of the debt. The subsidized Stafford loan is responsible for some massive percentage of student debt.
Second there is a lot of evidence that universities, and even colleges are incredibly wasteful. They are almost as bad as the federal government when it comes to trimming the fat. When a university spends $1,250 on a crappy dell opteron with 3gb of ram, no video chipset, a 160gb harddrive, and some crappy Core 2 Duo or at best an i3...that's a big problem. I've seen exactly that personally. Not only that, but it's under contract! The excuse was "the opterons are supposed to be "business class" and "really robust"" without even focusing on failure rates.
are pro-life and would like to see abortion made illegal
I believe the whole point is they see it as murder. If you see a fetus as already a human abortion could definitely be seen as a horrible abomination. Personally I think the uncared children are a lot worse tragedy, so I'm pro-choice. However, I can most certainly understand the logic behind both sides.
are against banning assault weapons
I own a few guns, and I shoot from time to time, and I consider myself pro gun. However I'm not gonna argue against an assault weapons on actual assault weapons. The problem is that the last 2 assault weapon bills have had parameters that include FAR more than just classical assault weapons.
Just saying most of the things you posted have 2 valid sides to them...astrology does not. You seem to have kind of a polarized view of the world..
I say: outstanding this will give us motivation to get off of Earth.
Yeah this was definitely my first thought. I'm in a short car..if an suv has bright lights...bad experience.
And this is how cool shut gets banned...
There is a VERY promising area of research using quantum dots. Tailor the dot's wavelength to IR and fictionalize it with an antigen. Once put in a magnetic field the dots emit IR attached (on a nano scale) to the cancer site.
Burn baby burn.
Ps: the dots can be used for incredibly improved detection cocktails.
Under an electron microscope a cell is like a swath of very strange terrain with weirder inhabitants.
Isn't p negative log and therefore a different situation? At least in chem it's used a LOT, and not just with proton concentration.
It doesnt appear the brightness magnitude has any such identifier (though im sure your correct) and therefore at least a bit more confusing.
In the US you can lose/win a criminal trial and then win/lose a civil suit. In this case he won the criminal trial and lost a civil suit (how the gov can file a civil suit I have no idea I don't know France) which can happen in the US as well. OJ owed (owes?) a bunch of money in restitution after his little incident, because he lost the civil suit.
I can't just post nekkid photos of myself on a publicly accessible and indexed web page and then start suing people when they mock me for them...
Except that you can totally do that. You shouldn't be able to, and probably won't win..but it's attempted on a semi-regular basis I think. Also the word nekkid is hilarious.
That's why downloading movies from TPB is perfectly legal but redistribution without permission is not.
Are you high right now?
I hope you don't actually believe that..or that you are not a US/EU citizen.
Yeah this isn't a "door was left open" scenario. That scenario is more comparable to network infrastructure without a password on it like ssh. There is a door, but it's been left unlocked. This wasn't even a house (private network) this was a public place.
In the scenario we're talking about the object was both left in a public place and said public place was referenced in another. I can't think of anything analogous to the real world, but real world analogues only cloud judgement.
The bottom line is this had to be in a directory literally called "public_html" or the equivalent for IIS/Nginx. This folder, and it's contents, are shared with everybody. Not only that, but the URL was advertised in an unspecified public place. This URL was also indexed by google.
Further there were 7GB worth of files..plural..so directory listing was on. This is DIRECT EVIDENCE that the French prosecution/government is simply spinning things.
"In their own investigation, they said, "we then found that it was sufficient to have the full URL to access to the resource on the extranet in order to bypass the authentication rules on this server."
Obviously he didn't need the full URL if he was able to wget 7 gigs worth of text and/or pdf files. If he was able to download the entire directory there was no authentication mechanism to be bypassed, and the only offense by the French government is farcical. This has a double impact, as it also proves this was conclusively NOT an extranet by definition.
So if I was the defense I would say:
1) The "open door" example is intentionally (and obviously) misleading and biased, and that's probably the exact analogy they used. It seems like that analogy gets used in all court cases.
2) There is clear intent by the person who designed the server to make said documents public information. The intent is proven by a very simple fact: the site has been crawled by google. Without a robots.txt google will not crawl your site (at least these days.)
As this file must have been created and configured intent couldn't be any more clear.
3) To further prove the intent of the French administrator the files were (most likely willfully and knowingly) placed in a directory specifically marked for sharing files.
4) Laurelli never bypassed (or even provably encountered) any authentication mechanism whatsoever.
5) The French government's argument is non-unique as these documents were already made "public for advertising or promotional purposes" when indexed by google, and this claim is supported by google's own mission statement:
google's mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful."
google's mission statement (by it's own admission) is to make the world's (what they choose..via indexing) information universal. This is obviously for promotional purposes of google and would fall neatly into the definition of "publicizing." So by crawling google announced their intent to publicize the documents, and by indexing said documents as step 1, we have both a provable intent and provable action moving towards publicizing the documents at hand. The next step in publicizing after indexing is of course to wait for users to access and share the content. This is exactly what my client did (teehe I couldn't resist).
In summation it is very clear cut that there is indeed only 1 victim here...but there are 2 villains in this story. The first (and lesser at least under French law) was the network engineer/admin who either misrepresented his/her ability, got lazy, or was grossly negligent.
The second, and greater villain, and the true perpetrator of this crime was google. For the intent of gaining profit using the French government's documents (which google indexed to grow their search database) in the pursuit of adding content for their userbase in an effort to grow said userbase and profit via advertising targeted to it's users.
Mr Laurelli is the clear victim of both goo
Holy shit a minot error!