First off, an "upgrade to 10" banner isn't adware. Second, not installing updates is stupid. Especially security updates. Are you familiar with the concept of herd immunity?
Seriously, automatic updates are a problem? You're grasping at straws for excuses not to like something I suspect you haven't even given a fair chance.
What, you've never had a radio die? It ain't a clock radio, those things fail after a few years (especially with brands like D-Link. They don't do good work). They also become obsolete as new standards arise.
Besides, if the manufacturer stopped supporting it, you were going to run into rear-end pains regardless.
Software, especially an OS, is significantly different from a hammer or other standard tool. Hammers never go out of date, never have to support new kinds of nails or wood, never contain security flaws, and are never too old to bang in new nails.
At work, Windows 10 gives my users SSO to Office 365, protects them with a stronger security model, and offers new management options that are about to save us tens of thousands of dollars (Azure AD join plus integrated Intune and SCCM as opposed to dozens of domain controllers). There's also a new provisioning system to simplify deployments (still needs some work, but MS is actually being very quick and responsive). Powershell is better and like MMC, easier to get to (right click the start menu. I know it's a minor addition, but super convenient).
At home, I get better performance, faster boots, better gaming (DX12=awesome, new WDM, xbox streaming), roaming profiles and simplified authentication for sharing files. Those last two depend on using microsoft accounts, which I initially resisted. I got over that pretty quick when I started logging into my work laptop with my Office 365 account and got punched in the face by the convenience.
As the IT guy who handles all the networking, deployments and other cool stuff, there are a number of features that I want to see improved (like a couple of really annoying bugs in the new model for image building), but they're all new and immature. MS is really surprising me though, because they're actually making those improvements and faster than I've ever seen from them before. There's also an issue with the security model for Edge that prevents it from passing user codes to our office printers, which is magnified because it also handles image and PDF viewing. It's still a million times better than IE, but I have to prevent it from being the default handler for everything so my users can print normally. But I'd be installing Reader, Chrome and the old Office Picture Tool anyhow.
So, I guess I could sum it up as better management at work and better gaming at home. Plus, if I RDP into one of my 10 machines with my iPad, it feels like I have a surface pro.
It's absolutely the case! All the settings necessary to prevent 10 are GPOs. I think there's even one that specifically prevents upgrades (don't have my DC in front of me to verify).
And it's not a matter of you being careful about what you do with it. It's a matter of what others can do to you. If you aren't updating, then that includes everything.
You had to try? It's not exactly complicated. Hell, if you can handle linux, you should have been able to figure it out. Or figure out that you actively want the hard-to-disable bits of telemetry to go through. Unless you really believe that sending anonymous crash reports is an invasion of privacy, in which case I'm not the sort of professional whose help you need.
Don't be paranoid. Microsoft is trying to get away from traditional OS lifecycles and shift to an SaS model, hence the push to upgrade. I've been on 10 since it released, and not only have I not looked back, I've come to despise 7. It's shortcomings are painfully obvious now.
Well, knowing what the word Malware means should be your first clue.
Oh, and domain joined computers can have all upgrade related features disabled via policy. They should also be receiving updates solely through WSUS, so an admin has to push the upgrade.
So I'm just going to go ahead and call bullshit on you, and call whatever admin you heard that from (if any) an idiot.
Seriously? Do you leave your doors and windows unlocked too? Where do you live? Do you have nice things? What's your IP address? What time do you go to bed?
Don't worry, it's not like I'm asking for your SSN, mother's maiden name, first pet, etc. Won't have to.
Why? I have yet to find even one aspect where 7 is superior to 10. There's no advantage whatsoever in sticking with an OS now two releases out of date.
To what? Make it easy to install a free upgrade to their new OS? Release frequent updates and security fixes? Occasionally screw up, but no worse than any other major tech company, and generally fix said screw up in short order? Be a pain in the butt? (they're really good at it)
And I hope you aren't an admin on that domain, as you should know better. If you were on mine and you turned off updates, I would probably take your laptop away. You would definitely be stripped of any rights your account had, and that's before upper management gets involved. Serious breach of policy.
Then again, if it were my domain, you wouldn't have the option to begin with. That's a default policy right there.
Well Enterprise editions are excluded, and it was changed to a recommended update last month. Still, the complaints I've seen so far are just idiotic. They all boil down to, "I wasn't paying attention," or, "I wasn't doing my job." With a lot of, "I already decided 10 must be bad, so I don't even want to try it. Because I'm stupid and angry."
Did you miss the announcement last month? Did you set policies to prevent it? Are you not using Enterprise editions of 7? Why haven't you upgraded already? Most of my users didn't even notice.
No, you turn off automatic installation of recommended updates. Like Microsoft told everyone when they announced it last month.
Oh, and "infected with popup"? Are you twelve? GWX can be disabled. Or even better, used to upgrade from an obsolete OS for free. Don't be so arrogant. Nobody playing with Daddy's toys has any right to be.
Well, they did make it a recommended update, so automatic installations were going to happen. But it's not like it was a secret. Admins especially should have known. I did. Read it right here.
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Seriously, automatic updates are a problem? You're grasping at straws for excuses not to like something I suspect you haven't even given a fair chance.
Besides, if the manufacturer stopped supporting it, you were going to run into rear-end pains regardless.
I challenge you to support that claim.
At work, Windows 10 gives my users SSO to Office 365, protects them with a stronger security model, and offers new management options that are about to save us tens of thousands of dollars (Azure AD join plus integrated Intune and SCCM as opposed to dozens of domain controllers). There's also a new provisioning system to simplify deployments (still needs some work, but MS is actually being very quick and responsive). Powershell is better and like MMC, easier to get to (right click the start menu. I know it's a minor addition, but super convenient).
At home, I get better performance, faster boots, better gaming (DX12=awesome, new WDM, xbox streaming), roaming profiles and simplified authentication for sharing files. Those last two depend on using microsoft accounts, which I initially resisted. I got over that pretty quick when I started logging into my work laptop with my Office 365 account and got punched in the face by the convenience.
As the IT guy who handles all the networking, deployments and other cool stuff, there are a number of features that I want to see improved (like a couple of really annoying bugs in the new model for image building), but they're all new and immature. MS is really surprising me though, because they're actually making those improvements and faster than I've ever seen from them before. There's also an issue with the security model for Edge that prevents it from passing user codes to our office printers, which is magnified because it also handles image and PDF viewing. It's still a million times better than IE, but I have to prevent it from being the default handler for everything so my users can print normally. But I'd be installing Reader, Chrome and the old Office Picture Tool anyhow.
So, I guess I could sum it up as better management at work and better gaming at home. Plus, if I RDP into one of my 10 machines with my iPad, it feels like I have a surface pro.
And it's not a matter of you being careful about what you do with it. It's a matter of what others can do to you. If you aren't updating, then that includes everything.
You fucking idiot. Know what you're talking about next time.
You had to try? It's not exactly complicated. Hell, if you can handle linux, you should have been able to figure it out. Or figure out that you actively want the hard-to-disable bits of telemetry to go through. Unless you really believe that sending anonymous crash reports is an invasion of privacy, in which case I'm not the sort of professional whose help you need.
I'm going to mark this down under the "Complaints Based on Complete Ignorance" column. No offense.
Must not be Enterprise editions then.
You're going to have to provide some evidence to back that up. A lot of it.
Don't be paranoid. Microsoft is trying to get away from traditional OS lifecycles and shift to an SaS model, hence the push to upgrade. I've been on 10 since it released, and not only have I not looked back, I've come to despise 7. It's shortcomings are painfully obvious now.
Oh, and domain joined computers can have all upgrade related features disabled via policy. They should also be receiving updates solely through WSUS, so an admin has to push the upgrade.
So I'm just going to go ahead and call bullshit on you, and call whatever admin you heard that from (if any) an idiot.
Don't worry, it's not like I'm asking for your SSN, mother's maiden name, first pet, etc. Won't have to.
Why? I have yet to find even one aspect where 7 is superior to 10. There's no advantage whatsoever in sticking with an OS now two releases out of date.
And I hope you aren't an admin on that domain, as you should know better. If you were on mine and you turned off updates, I would probably take your laptop away. You would definitely be stripped of any rights your account had, and that's before upper management gets involved. Serious breach of policy.
Then again, if it were my domain, you wouldn't have the option to begin with. That's a default policy right there.
Why? Are you afraid of updates? Do security patches give you impotence? Does additional functionality intimidate or terrify you? Do you own a tin hat?
Gee, if they couldn't figure out the update settings, it's probably better that they were upgraded. For safety if nothing else.
My car upgraded to Windows 10, now I can't find drivers.
If automatic updates were off, then she upgraded manually through GWX. No other way it could happen. End of story.
Your English is as poor as your reasoning.
Well Enterprise editions are excluded, and it was changed to a recommended update last month. Still, the complaints I've seen so far are just idiotic. They all boil down to, "I wasn't paying attention," or, "I wasn't doing my job." With a lot of, "I already decided 10 must be bad, so I don't even want to try it. Because I'm stupid and angry."
Did you miss the announcement last month? Did you set policies to prevent it? Are you not using Enterprise editions of 7? Why haven't you upgraded already? Most of my users didn't even notice.
Go back to the main /. page and hit 'older' until you get to February 1st or 2nd. Then take a moment to be embarrassed.
Oh, and "infected with popup"? Are you twelve? GWX can be disabled. Or even better, used to upgrade from an obsolete OS for free. Don't be so arrogant. Nobody playing with Daddy's toys has any right to be.
Well, they did make it a recommended update, so automatic installations were going to happen. But it's not like it was a secret. Admins especially should have known. I did. Read it right here.