Those last 3 words explain exactly why this is a religious issue. You are so hopelessly brainwashed by your religious beliefs that you cannot even allow for the possibility that evolution actually happened. I'll bet you have no similar disbeliefs about any other areas of science unless they relate to evolution or the age of the Earth, even though they might be less believable (like quantum tunnelling).
>You're paying for that bandwidth. Anyone using your connection without your prior approval is stealing from you.
I get charged the same whether I download 1 meg or 50 gigs, so it doesn't matter to me at all.
>Very public spirited, but I can't help thinking that you'd feel differently if you were being charged per GB.
Of course I would. As I said, "excess bandwidth".
>the next knock on the door will be the police about that you know what you've been ordering from you know where and we've got the download records to prove it.
All I have to say is anything questionable came from someone using my completely open WAP. I also have a cron job that deletes my router logs daily.;)
If I notice a lot of activity on the network, I just look at what ports they are using and use mac address filtering on the file sharers. Sure, they could change their mac address, but I haven't seen it yet. If it ever gets too bad, I'll just cut them all off but I haven't had any real problems in over a year now.
There is certainly no law saying that you have to secure your wireless access points, nor that you have to monitor what's going through them. As for the encrypted drive, well you wouldn't want hackers getting your data through that open WAP!;)
A radio station playing a cd is a public performance, something specifically spelled out as an exclusive right under copyright laws. Anyone on a radio station can get on the air and review any cd they like, and putting a EULA in the cd won't take this right away.
Purchasing software is *exactly* the same as purchasing a book, regardless the propaganda being put out by the software indusrty. You are free to do anything with a piece of software you've bought as you would with a book, including criticizing the way the book (or software) was written. You are no more getting a 'license' to use the software than you are the book.
That's funny, I live in a large apartment building in the middle of a big city and I leave my access point completely open for anyone to use. As long as they aren't doing any file sharing and sucking up all my bandwidth, what do I care if some people are using my excess bandwidth?
Feel free to download all the bomb making material and kiddie porn you want while simultaneously running bittorrent, LimeWire, and Kazaa at the same time. You can always say "It was someone on my open access point, not me!", but you better have a well-encrypted drive.
Yes, it does. I stopped buying Blizzard games the second I heard this, and will never do so again. I don't care if they produce a game so good it's literally better than sex, they are not getting any more of my money. They have no right to stop independent developers from making their own version of a server for their game clients.
There are so many sheep on Slashdot, you could make a fortune with a pair of shears.
Almost *any* data could be used for evil purposes if someone wants to. Does this mean that the government shouldn't release any information at all? Of course not. Unless there is a specific reason for denying the info (nuclear power plant plans, etc), then the information should be handed over to its rightful owners - the public - on request. And no, nobody is going to get sued for releasing public information. If you think so, you've watched one too many television shows.
Maybe not invisible, but far, far less dangerous than many things that most people won't ever get very worked up over. Car accidents, the flu, slipping in the bathtub, peanut allergies - all things that kill more people every year than the worst terrorist attack.
That you can't see how the government is using Sept 11th as an excuse for any pet project it has in mind *cough* Iraq *cough*, tells me all I really need to know about who's manipulable.
>do you provide your consulting services for free?
I don't, but maybe I can answer anyway...
>afterall, after you give me the information from your head, or write me an app, you still have that knowledge or software
Yes, but for you to get that information is going to cost you. Compare it to a live performance. If I want to see my favorite band perform, I'm going to have to pay for it or they won't play. Exact same deal with programming - they're paying for me to perform programming, not to give them a canned product. After all, they could just download that.
I haven't bought a cd, dvd, or computer program in 6 years, but I do still attend movies, concerts and live performances.
You can hardly own something that is completely outside of your control. If the government said that I owned the concept 'love', it doesn't mean that I actually own it as I would a physical thing, since there is literally nothing I can do to keep other people from expressing it. It's silly to even consider.
>That authority is government granted property which can be used, discarded, transferred, and yes STOLEN.
How can I possibly steal a song from someone? Short of digging out the neurons in someone's brain that represent that song, it is impossible for me to take it from them. They'll still have it regardless of what I do.
>When you copy that CD, you STEAL the holder's right to control copies.
How can one possibly steal a right? Complete nonsense. I can steal your land, or your car, or even your kidneys, but there is no way for me to steal your ability to practice your religion or free speech.
>but the original is not the property in intellectual property (neither is the idea the property with a patent). The property is the authority.
>However, the record label just "gave away" a copy of a cd
The record label doesn't know anything about the transaction. You can't lost something that you never had. Neither the songwriter nor the label has any less than they had before the copy was made.
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>has yet been proven, and nor will they.
Those last 3 words explain exactly why this is a religious issue. You are so hopelessly brainwashed by your religious beliefs that you cannot even allow for the possibility that evolution actually happened. I'll bet you have no similar disbeliefs about any other areas of science unless they relate to evolution or the age of the Earth, even though they might be less believable (like quantum tunnelling).
>You're paying for that bandwidth. Anyone using your connection without your prior approval is stealing from you.
;)
I get charged the same whether I download 1 meg or 50 gigs, so it doesn't matter to me at all.
>Very public spirited, but I can't help thinking that you'd feel differently if you were being charged per GB.
Of course I would. As I said, "excess bandwidth".
>the next knock on the door will be the police about that you know what you've been ordering from you know where and we've got the download records to prove it.
All I have to say is anything questionable came from someone using my completely open WAP. I also have a cron job that deletes my router logs daily.
If I notice a lot of activity on the network, I just look at what ports they are using and use mac address filtering on the file sharers. Sure, they could change their mac address, but I haven't seen it yet. If it ever gets too bad, I'll just cut them all off but I haven't had any real problems in over a year now.
There is certainly no law saying that you have to secure your wireless access points, nor that you have to monitor what's going through them. As for the encrypted drive, well you wouldn't want hackers getting your data through that open WAP! ;)
A radio station playing a cd is a public performance, something specifically spelled out as an exclusive right under copyright laws. Anyone on a radio station can get on the air and review any cd they like, and putting a EULA in the cd won't take this right away.
Purchasing software is *exactly* the same as purchasing a book, regardless the propaganda being put out by the software indusrty. You are free to do anything with a piece of software you've bought as you would with a book, including criticizing the way the book (or software) was written. You are no more getting a 'license' to use the software than you are the book.
My apartment building has about 20 wide-open access points available. I don't need to war drive, I can war-walk.
That's funny, I live in a large apartment building in the middle of a big city and I leave my access point completely open for anyone to use. As long as they aren't doing any file sharing and sucking up all my bandwidth, what do I care if some people are using my excess bandwidth?
2 words: plausable deniability!
Feel free to download all the bomb making material and kiddie porn you want while simultaneously running bittorrent, LimeWire, and Kazaa at the same time. You can always say "It was someone on my open access point, not me!", but you better have a well-encrypted drive.
Yes, it does. I stopped buying Blizzard games the second I heard this, and will never do so again. I don't care if they produce a game so good it's literally better than sex, they are not getting any more of my money. They have no right to stop independent developers from making their own version of a server for their game clients.
There are so many sheep on Slashdot, you could make a fortune with a pair of shears.
"Ooh! Shiny!"
KGB - The committee for homeland security.
Almost *any* data could be used for evil purposes if someone wants to. Does this mean that the government shouldn't release any information at all? Of course not. Unless there is a specific reason for denying the info (nuclear power plant plans, etc), then the information should be handed over to its rightful owners - the public - on request. And no, nobody is going to get sued for releasing public information. If you think so, you've watched one too many television shows.
It doesn't take much to be better than LCD or plasma screens. Good old CRTs can do it, and they've been around for over 50 years.
The drugs did not kill your relatives, the asshole driving the car did. Notice how their current illegality did nothing to save them, either.
Maybe not invisible, but far, far less dangerous than many things that most people won't ever get very worked up over. Car accidents, the flu, slipping in the bathtub, peanut allergies - all things that kill more people every year than the worst terrorist attack.
That you can't see how the government is using Sept 11th as an excuse for any pet project it has in mind *cough* Iraq *cough*, tells me all I really need to know about who's manipulable.
So stop paying already!
> Not true. Their modus operandi is based on the number of units sold.
It's not my problem that they decided to bank on an unworkable system.
>Why don't you try to make a living off of something that can be "copied" but not "stolen" and see how your revenue flows...
I'm a programmer. Feel free to copy anything of mine that you can get your hands on.
>do you provide your consulting services for free?
I don't, but maybe I can answer anyway...
>afterall, after you give me the information from your head, or write me an app, you still have that knowledge or software
Yes, but for you to get that information is going to cost you. Compare it to a live performance. If I want to see my favorite band perform, I'm going to have to pay for it or they won't play. Exact same deal with programming - they're paying for me to perform programming, not to give them a canned product. After all, they could just download that.
I haven't bought a cd, dvd, or computer program in 6 years, but I do still attend movies, concerts and live performances.
>THAT is what the copyright holder owns.
You can hardly own something that is completely outside of your control. If the government said that I owned the concept 'love', it doesn't mean that I actually own it as I would a physical thing, since there is literally nothing I can do to keep other people from expressing it. It's silly to even consider.
>That authority is government granted property which can be used, discarded, transferred, and yes STOLEN.
How can I possibly steal a song from someone? Short of digging out the neurons in someone's brain that represent that song, it is impossible for me to take it from them. They'll still have it regardless of what I do.
>When you copy that CD, you STEAL the holder's right to control copies.
How can one possibly steal a right? Complete nonsense. I can steal your land, or your car, or even your kidneys, but there is no way for me to steal your ability to practice your religion or free speech.
>but the original is not the property in intellectual property (neither is the idea the property with a patent). The property is the authority.
No such property exists. You deal with it.
>However, the record label just "gave away" a copy of a cd
The record label doesn't know anything about the transaction. You can't lost something that you never had. Neither the songwriter nor the label has any less than they had before the copy was made.
Nothing missing, nothing stolen.
>You've now decreased the value of my property. That's taking something from me.
No, it isn't. You still have exactly the same thing as you had before. You have literally lost nothing.
Copyright infringement is not at all the same as stealing, and people who try to confuse the two are either dishonest or dumb.
Not Christians - Christian Scientists. Huge difference.
Agreed totally. The religion itself is completely screwy, but they do put out a fine newspaper.
Yet we spend $4 billion a month 'liberating' Iraq. Gotta have priorities you know!
> I don't see many people trading public domain documents on Kazaa.
That doesn't matter at all. The fact that the tool *can* be used for that purpose if enough to keep it legal (in the US anyway).