So you honestly think that without Steve Jobs we wouldn't have graphical interfaces?
No, but we would have them on PCs much later. And in a way much different to what we have now. Because unlike what the haters keep claiming, Apple didn't just steal the GUI from Xerox (not to mention that they didn't invent it anyway).
Take double-clicking. Xerox didn't use that. Apple did - and so did all following them.
Or more likely some other company would have filled the gap. The lack of any of those companies would not have caused the world to collapse.
Sure. Microsoft would have done the same as Apple. Ohh, oops, they wouldn't even have the GUI, because Gates only ever learned of it after Jobs invited him to write applications for the Macintosh.
If it hadn't been him, it would have been one or more others like him.
That's pretty much how a lot of us feel about Steve Jobs. I don't want to put words into the GP's mouth but I'm also pretty sure that was their point. If we're just giving people praise for being there we might as well give praise to everyone who was there.
Well, name a couple. Replacements for Ross Perot: anyone with $20,000,000 spare change a little above average balls.
Amazon.com is looking to hire thousands of people, right now. Not saying that that makes a dent, but there are companies with very strong growth right now.
I interviewed with Amazon. After the second in-person interview I had nailed technical questions, but was not offered a job.
3. Next would have tanked without Ross Perots money. So maybe we owe Ross Perot for OSX.
Your other points were dumb enough, but this takes the crown. He was an angel investor and made a lot of money on his investment, nothing less and nothing more. If it hadn't been him, it would have been one or more others like him.
Apple can Quattruple-AES-4096 encrypt the phone and close ALL Bugs including Jailbreak, if Paris uses "1234" as PIN, it won't matter (and i firmly belive that 1234 is too complex a password for her anyways...)
Typical blame the victim IT security type.
That's funny coming from somebody who blames Apple for the fact that Paris Hilton's T-Mobile Sidekick was hacked.
Logical fallacy, picking and choosing. The entire page constitutes a lie because they are deliberately implying that all their operations will be renewable. But the fact is that most of what they do is done on their behalf by someone else. It's called prevarication and it's an enhanced form of lying that you probably don't even realize you're doing right now. That's because you're doing it to yourself, which is called cognitive dissonance.
That's a good one coming from someone who in this discussion also stated "I'll believe that when they stop selling "Apple" computers and start selling OSX for "Foxconn" computers". So Apple has nothing to do with the manufacture, but is fully resposible for it?
It's an advanced form of trolling that's called "eating a cake and having it too".
So you think it's OK for Apple to say they are a green company using renewable energy as long as they don't include anything that is connected with making apple products.
At least they don't own coal power plants to produce their stuff, like Samsung.
Why should I do that? I have my known sites that work on both the desktop and the mobile, and I can view them both equally because Android has flash support.
Ahh, so you didn't actually want to find porn sites that worked without Flash, so your world view wouldn't be shaken. Ignorance is bliss. "All porn sites use flash as far as I've found (not that I actually bothered to look)." Indeed.
Baloney. Steve Jobs would lie to make his products look better. Remember when the iPhone launched and we heard about how nobody wants native applications, that JavaScript and HTML are the future? That was just because the SDK wasn't ready.
Yeah, they actually wrote the apps the iPhone came with with Flash, because there was no other way.
Except, the APIs were not public until AFTER this entire kerfufle came out. No non-apple apps were allowed to use those hidden APIs, including competing video editing suites (Like Avid or Adobe's suite).
As soon as the APIs became available in 10.8, Adobe started using them. They decode encrypted traffic and then write them to the GPU buffers, like the API allows them. It is still slower than the Windows (and Linux) implementation, but it is what they have to use in order to use the PUBLIC APIs that Apple offered.
-Nick
You know, this whining about hidden video playback APIs was never able to explain why the whole fucking rest of Flash was so damn slow on Macs. And Linux for that matter.
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This is like saying: "riding an unicycle is easy, because you can put its wheel into a bike and ride that one instead".
As opposed to saying "riding a unicycle is impossible; I know because I once tried riding a bicycle with a wheel missing for two hours."
So you honestly think that without Steve Jobs we wouldn't have graphical interfaces?
No, but we would have them on PCs much later. And in a way much different to what we have now. Because unlike what the haters keep claiming, Apple didn't just steal the GUI from Xerox (not to mention that they didn't invent it anyway).
Take double-clicking. Xerox didn't use that. Apple did - and so did all following them.
Or more likely some other company would have filled the gap. The lack of any of those companies would not have caused the world to collapse.
Sure. Microsoft would have done the same as Apple. Ohh, oops, they wouldn't even have the GUI, because Gates only ever learned of it after Jobs invited him to write applications for the Macintosh.
Replacements for Steve Jobs: anyone that will pay engineers, software developers and designers to do their jobs with someone else's money.
That way you don't get a NeXT or Apple, you get Oracle, Microsoft or SAP - if you are lucky. More likely something like a .com
Who drives in rivers? Seriously?
People using navigational devices. All the time. Either they or the programmer can't tell the difference between a bridge and a ferry.
Again, read his comment. During a bubble. Apps development is a bubble effect too.
Well, not for Android anymore, obviously.
Yeah... Compare Android's Google Maps to iPhone's Apple Maps. Sure, iOS has waaaay better apps
Google Maps? Isn't that the operation that recently lost track of all the rivers in Germany?
If it hadn't been him, it would have been one or more others like him.
That's pretty much how a lot of us feel about Steve Jobs. I don't want to put words into the GP's mouth but I'm also pretty sure that was their point. If we're just giving people praise for being there we might as well give praise to everyone who was there.
Well, name a couple. Replacements for Ross Perot: anyone with $20,000,000 spare change a little above average balls.
No, it's a company run by lawyers and accountants now.
So your point is that Apple would have hired dead people before it was "run by lawyers and accountants"?
Ans any company that isn't would hire dead people right now?
Name a few companies that would hire dead people, so I know from which I can buy products safely.
Amazon.com is looking to hire thousands of people, right now. Not saying that that makes a dent, but there are companies with very strong growth right now.
I interviewed with Amazon. After the second in-person interview I had nailed technical questions, but was not offered a job.
Errm, he's was talking about a job in one of their warehouses. http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2016289835_amazonwarehouse25.html
3. Next would have tanked without Ross Perots money. So maybe we owe Ross Perot for OSX.
Your other points were dumb enough, but this takes the crown. He was an angel investor and made a lot of money on his investment, nothing less and nothing more. If it hadn't been him, it would have been one or more others like him.
He'd laugh himself out of the door if he showed up for a job today.
Well, I guess Apple has a policy not to hire dead people, so yes.
Apple might try to sue Samsung over trying to sell a Galaxy Mini or Google over selling a Nexus Mini or Dell over selling a Dell Mini.
Funny that Samsung actually does sell all kinds of (some existing product) minis.
Apple can Quattruple-AES-4096 encrypt the phone and close ALL Bugs including Jailbreak, if Paris uses "1234" as PIN, it won't matter (and i firmly belive that 1234 is too complex a password for her anyways...)
Typical blame the victim IT security type.
That's funny coming from somebody who blames Apple for the fact that Paris Hilton's T-Mobile Sidekick was hacked.
What's a lie in the statement:
Logical fallacy, picking and choosing. The entire page constitutes a lie because they are deliberately implying that all their operations will be renewable. But the fact is that most of what they do is done on their behalf by someone else. It's called prevarication and it's an enhanced form of lying that you probably don't even realize you're doing right now. That's because you're doing it to yourself, which is called cognitive dissonance.
That's a good one coming from someone who in this discussion also stated "I'll believe that when they stop selling "Apple" computers and start selling OSX for "Foxconn" computers". So Apple has nothing to do with the manufacture, but is fully resposible for it?
It's an advanced form of trolling that's called "eating a cake and having it too".
WTF are you babbling about? "I shouldn't be forced to watch porn on sites that don't require Flash." - is that your point?
One wonders what percentage would result if these were factored into their equations?
I notice it also doesn't appear to cover Apple shops....
Much lower - but still higher than any other computer / phone / consumer electronics company on the world.
Most power comes from coal.
Charcoal comes from trees (i.e. a renewable resource) and burns about the same.
Sure. But its too expensive, that's why the only things powered by charcoal these days are grills and the occasional smelter.
So you think it's OK for Apple to say they are a green company using renewable energy as long as they don't include anything that is connected with making apple products.
At least they don't own coal power plants to produce their stuff, like Samsung.
Why should I do that? I have my known sites that work on both the desktop and the mobile, and I can view them both equally because Android has flash support.
Ahh, so you didn't actually want to find porn sites that worked without Flash, so your world view wouldn't be shaken. Ignorance is bliss. "All porn sites use flash as far as I've found (not that I actually bothered to look)." Indeed.
I used to watch the occasional bit of stream porn on my Android. All porn sites use flash as far as I've found.
I guess you never used Google to find them with a search like "iphone porn". Guess that was too obvious for a smart guy like you.
Baloney. Steve Jobs would lie to make his products look better. Remember when the iPhone launched and we heard about how nobody wants native applications, that JavaScript and HTML are the future? That was just because the SDK wasn't ready.
Yeah, they actually wrote the apps the iPhone came with with Flash, because there was no other way.
Except, the APIs were not public until AFTER this entire kerfufle came out. No non-apple apps were allowed to use those hidden APIs, including competing video editing suites (Like Avid or Adobe's suite).
As soon as the APIs became available in 10.8, Adobe started using them. They decode encrypted traffic and then write them to the GPU buffers, like the API allows them. It is still slower than the Windows (and Linux) implementation, but it is what they have to use in order to use the PUBLIC APIs that Apple offered.
-Nick
You know, this whining about hidden video playback APIs was never able to explain why the whole fucking rest of Flash was so damn slow on Macs. And Linux for that matter.
BS.
Apple didn't need a competing app delivery mechanism to "backdoor" delivery behind the app store.
What "App Store"? There was no App Store when the iPhone was started. There was no way to install apps on it either.
Well, they did remove Front Row too, which really irritated me.
Removing a simple interface for media browsing is proof of "iOS-ification" how?