Gee, could this have something to do with most Apple users buying their own phone when they come out in fall instead of waiting until they get one for Christmas?
Well, I'm sure the Vietnamese slaves who work in Samsung sweatshops for $1/hour will send you some of their money because you speak out on Samsung's behalf.
Discussing the crooked business practices of Apple is not the same as "speaking out on behalf of Samsung".
Oracle says the Android industry generates $32 billion annually. I say that's an underestimate, and I say enough wishful thinking from bitter Apple groupies.
That's Google's total revenue on Android until Jan. 2016. What's that number supposed to prove exactly in relation to the question asked?
You are right, that number is a small fraction of the total Android industry, what was I thinking?
Not much, you just grabbed the first number that you "thought" supported your point and posted it without checking the facts. Which is your MO.
Again, this is neither profit (as in "making money") nor "the industry". Just to make sure you understand: Apple had more revenue on iOS last quarter.
You don't mean "on iOS", you mean from all its operations.
Nope, I meant from iOS. Check it out, you imbecile. Problem is you can't, because you are too stupid. Tough Love, indeed. Certainly not Loves Thought.
Well, Apple isn't Pegatron's only customer either. And if you are so cock sure that the conditions aren't the same - why don't you post actual numbers? Should be easy to do.
The prevailing wisdom is that Apple is worse, backed up by what we know so far. If you want to disagree with the prevailing wisdom, it's your job to provide a citation if you want to be taken seriously. The ball is in your court, sir.
Prevailing wisdom is that the reports are biased, because they only ever looked at Apple. Prove that they aren't biased before sending me to China. Heck, there are reports of other companies being worse ehich constantly get disregarded. Samsung poisoned it's workers for years for example. Never gets mentioned here, because they didn't make parts for Apple in that factory
Heck, you guys pointed to Mike Daisey's work as evidence until it was proven he made it all up.
I don't recall activating my new Android tablet, whatever that means.
Where do I sign up?
You install an app that uses Flurry Analytics. Done.
Flurry isn't an ideal sampler though - it's much more used in iOS than Android apps, and seems to be persistently under-counting Android because of that.
Claim all the Fandroids, because Flurry proves that Android users use less apps. Which is easily shown by comparing cross platform apps that of course show usage patterns on both platforms fairly.
Yes Samsung only grew a little, but thats still infinitely more than Apple going backwards:)
Gee, could this have something to do with most Apple users buying their own phone when they come out in fall instead of waiting until they get one for Christmas?
Phablets, or smartphones and tablets ranging in size from 5 inches to 6.9 inches, continued to grow in popularity.
Need to adjust that definition. 90% of Android phones now have screen of 5" or larger. It seems it's only once you hit 5.7" or above people really start throwing around the term "phablet" now.
Cheap Android phones don't make much money for anyone.
Rubbish. Well over a billion Android handsets per year drives a huge industrial supply chain, making billions for everyone from suppliers of raw materials to foundries to manufacturers to retailers. Oracle says the Android industry generates $32 billion annually. I say that's an underestimate, and I say enough wishful thinking from bitter Apple groupies.
That's Google's total revenue on Android until Jan. 2016. What's that number supposed to prove exactly in relation to the question asked? Again, this is neither profit (as in "making money") nor "the industry".
Just to make sure you understand: Apple had more revenue on iOS last quarter.
Well, Apple isn't Pegatron's only customer either.
And if you are so cock sure that the conditions aren't the same - why don't you post actual numbers? Should be easy to do.
Interesting factoid! Please tell my which brand of cellphone I should buy that is so generous to its laborers, making the most commoditized electronic product in the world?
According to China Labor Watch, pretty much any brand except for Apple.
Yup. Could be related to the fact that China Labor Watch didn't even look at any other company but Apple (or rather their suppliers). Hard to find any flaws with them that way.
Well, I'm sure the Vietnamese slaves who work in Samsung sweatshops for $1/hour will send you some of their money because you speak out on Samsung's behalf.
Sure, and that 56% accounts for 30% of device revenue, 20% of app sales, and only 10% of devices with the newest OS installed.
You're looking at this ass backwards. The huge profit margin and the planned obsolescence that is at the core of Apple business model is the exact reason why they are losing their grip on the market. They could dominate this industry for a long time if they focused on building good phones at a good price, but instead they're on a money-grab strategy (minimum investment, maximum profit) and they're sinking.
Or the fact that the others are on a throwing-money-away strategy (maximum investment, negative profit) in their battle over marketshare is the reason why that share rises, but also the reason why many of them will not be showing up in the list next year because they went belly up. Just look at the number of companies with more than 1% share: 2 years ago there were 5, just as last year, with Xiaomi replacing Sony, but this year we have 8, with Nokia/Microsoft dropping out, but with all the smaller ones but Apple and Samsung at (rounded) 2% (Huawai at 3%).
You can't keep selling average phones at a huge loss for a long time, investors wise up and ditch you.
And remember, unplanned obsolescence due to company failure is at least as bad as an (imagined) planned one.
BTW: Samsung only grew a little over one percentage point, not 2 as you want to make it appear. IOW they couldn't even take up the share left from Nokia/Microsoft folding.
Did they just download an old MSResearch paper and scratch out "By Microsoft" and crayon "By Apple" over it?
No. They just got a pair of scissors and rounded the page corners. They just hope that everyone looks at the stylish paper and ignores the "By Microsoft".
I know humour is a big tradition around here but you guys should really consider getting some new jokes once in a while.
Yeah, like say "cut off the corners and claim it came from Caprica". That would be a more recent joke.
If a bunch of women had legit Donald stories, don't you think they would have been dug up the DNC muck-rakers during the campaign? Why wait until he wins?
Maybe he had them all killed? Or have you heard of Jane Doe again? Instead his co-defendent was suddenly linked to Hillary Clinton in the Pizzagate Fake.
I have a little question for you, just something that I've been curious about: why do police in Dubai drive really expensive sports cars? They're Lamborghinis and such, but not all the same - high-end sports cars from a bunch of different manufacturers. How does that fit in to this mindset?
But the green-and-white car will probably not be roaring after law breakers in Dubai, an emirate in which local media said 33 people had been killed in car accidents in the first two months of this year.
will be mostly dispatched to tourist areas to show - in the words of deputy police director General Khamis Matter al-Muzaina - "how classy Dubai is".
Do you see Bill Gates or Warren Buffett displaying bling? I have actually met a few billionaires (David Filo, Jerry Yang, Larry Page, Sergey Brin). They were wearing jeans and sneakers or sandals. No bling.
It's anti-bling. When you're at that level, you can wear anything you want. Walking into a business meeting where I have to wear a suit, they can show up in jeans and a T-shirt because of who they are. I walk in wearing jeans and a T-Shirt folks will wonder who the hell do I think I am.
So what does that tell us about the blingest (blingyest?) (self declared) rich person in the world?
I abhor gold jewelry but still invest in gold. Today's gold prices are artificially low due to environmental and human costs aren't borne by the mining companies. They can pollute much as they want and use almost slave labor. If all the environmental impacts and fair labor wages are factored in, gold should be in the $4-5k range.
That is the lamest excuse for the recent plunge of the gold price I have ever heard.
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Gee, could this have something to do with most Apple users buying their own phone when they come out in fall instead of waiting until they get one for Christmas?
Yes.
FTFY
Well, I'm sure the Vietnamese slaves who work in Samsung sweatshops for $1/hour will send you some of their money because you speak out on Samsung's behalf.
Discussing the crooked business practices of Apple is not the same as "speaking out on behalf of Samsung".
In your case it is. Do they pay well?
So to you Apple was in a better shape when they were still losing money. Well thanks for that insight.
Look pal, you can twist words all day long, it won't stop Android from continuing their freefall into irrelevance.
FTFY
Debbie Reynolds iconic? Without question.
And now she's dead too. Broken Heart Syndrome?
Oracle says the Android industry generates $32 billion annually. I say that's an underestimate, and I say enough wishful thinking from bitter Apple groupies.
That's Google's total revenue on Android until Jan. 2016. What's that number supposed to prove exactly in relation to the question asked?
You are right, that number is a small fraction of the total Android industry, what was I thinking?
Not much, you just grabbed the first number that you "thought" supported your point and posted it without checking the facts. Which is your MO.
Again, this is neither profit (as in "making money") nor "the industry". Just to make sure you understand: Apple had more revenue on iOS last quarter.
You don't mean "on iOS", you mean from all its operations.
Nope, I meant from iOS. Check it out, you imbecile. Problem is you can't, because you are too stupid. Tough Love, indeed. Certainly not Loves Thought.
Well, Apple isn't Pegatron's only customer either. And if you are so cock sure that the conditions aren't the same - why don't you post actual numbers? Should be easy to do.
The prevailing wisdom is that Apple is worse, backed up by what we know so far. If you want to disagree with the prevailing wisdom, it's your job to provide a citation if you want to be taken seriously. The ball is in your court, sir.
Prevailing wisdom is that the reports are biased, because they only ever looked at Apple. Prove that they aren't biased before sending me to China. Heck, there are reports of other companies being worse ehich constantly get disregarded. Samsung poisoned it's workers for years for example. Never gets mentioned here, because they didn't make parts for Apple in that factory
Heck, you guys pointed to Mike Daisey's work as evidence until it was proven he made it all up.
I don't recall activating my new Android tablet, whatever that means.
Where do I sign up?
You install an app that uses Flurry Analytics. Done.
Flurry isn't an ideal sampler though - it's much more used in iOS than Android apps, and seems to be persistently under-counting Android because of that.
Claim all the Fandroids, because Flurry proves that Android users use less apps. Which is easily shown by comparing cross platform apps that of course show usage patterns on both platforms fairly.
Gee, Carrie, where'd you learn to shoot? Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy?
It just means you are popular. Madonna has more than that.
What's your point - she isn't dead. Else she couldn't have tweeted this: https://twitter.com/Madonna/status/813193931546628096
Yeah, stupid people are the worse kind.
The worst are smart evil psychopaths.
No, the worst people are those who don't get a joke.
I propose 2017 to be the year were every day an asshole politician dies.
I don't recall activating my new Android tablet, whatever that means.
Where do I sign up?
You install an app that uses Flurry Analytics. Done.
Yes Samsung only grew a little, but thats still infinitely more than Apple going backwards :)
Gee, could this have something to do with most Apple users buying their own phone when they come out in fall instead of waiting until they get one for Christmas?
Phablets, or smartphones and tablets ranging in size from 5 inches to 6.9 inches, continued to grow in popularity.
Need to adjust that definition. 90% of Android phones now have screen of 5" or larger. It seems it's only once you hit 5.7" or above people really start throwing around the term "phablet" now.
Where did you get that idea? According to Google's own statistics, 90% of all screens are "small" or "normal" with "normal" ending somewhere below 5" on their vague "definition" chart. https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html . https://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html#range
Cheap Android phones don't make much money for anyone.
Rubbish. Well over a billion Android handsets per year drives a huge industrial supply chain, making billions for everyone from suppliers of raw materials to foundries to manufacturers to retailers. Oracle says the Android industry generates $32 billion annually. I say that's an underestimate, and I say enough wishful thinking from bitter Apple groupies.
That's Google's total revenue on Android until Jan. 2016. What's that number supposed to prove exactly in relation to the question asked? Again, this is neither profit (as in "making money") nor "the industry".
Just to make sure you understand: Apple had more revenue on iOS last quarter.
So to you Apple was in a better shape when they were still losing money. Well thanks for that insight.
Well, Apple isn't Pegatron's only customer either. And if you are so cock sure that the conditions aren't the same - why don't you post actual numbers? Should be easy to do.
Interesting factoid! Please tell my which brand of cellphone I should buy that is so generous to its laborers, making the most commoditized electronic product in the world?
According to China Labor Watch, pretty much any brand except for Apple.
Yup. Could be related to the fact that China Labor Watch didn't even look at any other company but Apple (or rather their suppliers). Hard to find any flaws with them that way.
Well, I'm sure the Vietnamese slaves who work in Samsung sweatshops for $1/hour will send you some of their money because you speak out on Samsung's behalf.
Sure, and that 56% accounts for 30% of device revenue, 20% of app sales, and only 10% of devices with the newest OS installed.
You're looking at this ass backwards. The huge profit margin and the planned obsolescence that is at the core of Apple business model is the exact reason why they are losing their grip on the market. They could dominate this industry for a long time if they focused on building good phones at a good price, but instead they're on a money-grab strategy (minimum investment, maximum profit) and they're sinking.
Or the fact that the others are on a throwing-money-away strategy (maximum investment, negative profit) in their battle over marketshare is the reason why that share rises, but also the reason why many of them will not be showing up in the list next year because they went belly up. Just look at the number of companies with more than 1% share: 2 years ago there were 5, just as last year, with Xiaomi replacing Sony, but this year we have 8, with Nokia/Microsoft dropping out, but with all the smaller ones but Apple and Samsung at (rounded) 2% (Huawai at 3%).
You can't keep selling average phones at a huge loss for a long time, investors wise up and ditch you.
And remember, unplanned obsolescence due to company failure is at least as bad as an (imagined) planned one.
BTW: Samsung only grew a little over one percentage point, not 2 as you want to make it appear. IOW they couldn't even take up the share left from Nokia/Microsoft folding.
Did they just download an old MSResearch paper and scratch out "By Microsoft" and crayon "By Apple" over it?
No. They just got a pair of scissors and rounded the page corners. They just hope that everyone looks at the stylish paper and ignores the "By Microsoft".
I know humour is a big tradition around here but you guys should really consider getting some new jokes once in a while.
Yeah, like say "cut off the corners and claim it came from Caprica". That would be a more recent joke.
If a bunch of women had legit Donald stories, don't you think they would have been dug up the DNC muck-rakers during the campaign? Why wait until he wins?
Maybe he had them all killed? Or have you heard of Jane Doe again? Instead his co-defendent was suddenly linked to Hillary Clinton in the Pizzagate Fake.
I have a little question for you, just something that I've been curious about: why do police in Dubai drive really expensive sports cars? They're Lamborghinis and such, but not all the same - high-end sports cars from a bunch of different manufacturers. How does that fit in to this mindset?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/04/2013411112032382393.html
But the green-and-white car will probably not be roaring after law breakers in Dubai, an emirate in which local media said 33 people had been killed in car accidents in the first two months of this year.
will be mostly dispatched to tourist areas to show - in the words of deputy police director General Khamis Matter al-Muzaina - "how classy Dubai is".
State Bling.
Do you see Bill Gates or Warren Buffett displaying bling? I have actually met a few billionaires (David Filo, Jerry Yang, Larry Page, Sergey Brin). They were wearing jeans and sneakers or sandals. No bling.
It's anti-bling. When you're at that level, you can wear anything you want. Walking into a business meeting where I have to wear a suit, they can show up in jeans and a T-shirt because of who they are. I walk in wearing jeans and a T-Shirt folks will wonder who the hell do I think I am.
So what does that tell us about the blingest (blingyest?) (self declared) rich person in the world?
I abhor gold jewelry but still invest in gold. Today's gold prices are artificially low due to environmental and human costs aren't borne by the mining companies. They can pollute much as they want and use almost slave labor. If all the environmental impacts and fair labor wages are factored in, gold should be in the $4-5k range.
That is the lamest excuse for the recent plunge of the gold price I have ever heard.