They want to further the spying agenda, outlaw encryption and p2p technology because spying needs centralised servers (e.g. skype had to move to a centralized model), and want more funding. Gimme money money money. Ha, and they want to leer over your naked teen photos every time she crosses the border with her mobilel. And the code of your bank accounts and your emails too.
This beta crap has been imposed over us unnecessarily and politically. Debian also got out of its way and is updating all servers to systemd without our asking, and without any visible dependencies, breaking configurations in the process. This is far more than "noise", what you have is fellow technicians and users, your customers and peers, for christ sake, telling you they are not happy. Many of us that have been months already using Debian with systemd pinned a testimonial that this would not be a required situation. To add insult to injury, everyone that speaks about this tabu is told to suck it up, man up, or that just is making noise. This is the antithesis of Debian and opensource. Debian and linux in spirit is about choice and flexibility, and many of us deflected from Windows and other flavours of Unix just because of that. We have been betrayed and sold. To the ones that say this was a consensual and democratic process. A true free and open process would be to include a choice at installation/upgrade time between the choices. If I do have a choice on the web server, on the DNS server, on the mail server, even on the kernel, on the shell that I deliver for my users, despite having defaults, than why, for christ sake, is systemd being rammed down our throats? Get a grip you and honestly, fuck you all. xxxx
Me neither, but that just validates my initial point they are just changing the name of a very hated project, and throwing to our ears the usual crap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Your reasoning would sound more fair if *sysv* was the newcomer. It is like exactly 20 years of core and experience disappeared overnight and was necessary to redo all over again. And I still do not understand why you do have to upgrade server from sysv to systemd when there are no dependencies on sight without a single courtesy warning in the installation scripts, and *ignore* the sysv packages installed, not even upgrading them to debian 8.
Between my family we must have 6 iphones and 3 ipads of different generations. My wife has a 5S and I have got a 5S in the past, and now a 6. All of the devices are stable and solid. More so after we upgraded our wifi to 5Ghz. All of our friends that have iPhones are very happy. Many people here due to being short of money bough iPhones 2nd hand due to their stable reputation. I would say either you are filling them up to the brink till exhausting their memory, or that you are paid to spread lies with nasty PR moves.
In my testing servers, my sysvinit was upgraded to systemd without a single request or warning, and worse yet, sysvinit was not upgraded and had to be upgraded manually.
The problem is the name change without updating other packages or creating a meta package. Thanks for the heads up, i will create a meta package manually.
I am just saying FreeBSD is a system made by sysadmin to sysadmins and not overrun by political bastardos. I sincerely doubt they will go the same route.
Well said sir, well said. I would be interested in knowing a little more about your FreeBSD experienced. If you have linked.in, click in my homepage and join me in linked.in. Regards
This beta crap has been imposed over us unnecessarily and politically. Debian also got out of its way and is updating all servers to systemd without our asking, and without any visible dependencies, breaking configurations in the process. This is far more than "noise", what you have is fellow technicians and users, your customers and peers, for christ sake, telling you they are not happy. Many of us that have been months already using Debian with systemd pinned a testimonial that this would not be a required situation. To add insult to injury, everyone that speaks about this tabu is told to suck it up, man up, or that just is making noise. This is the antithesis of Debian and opensource. Debian and linux in spirit is about choice and flexibility, and many of us deflected from Windows and other flavours of Unix just because of that. We have been betrayed and sold. To the ones that say this was a consensual and democratic process. A true free and open process would be to include a choice at installation/upgrade time between the choices. If I do have a choice on the web server, on the DNS server, on the mail server, even on the kernel, on the shell that I deliver for my users, despite having defaults, than why, for christ sake, is systemd being rammed down our throats? Get a grip you and honestly, fuck you all.
What compiling? I have a farm of virtualized Debian 8 servers and they have been chugging happily in the last few months with systemd pinned to -1. And who are you to tell others to shut up and suck it up?
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Oh you just discovered he runs the servers for the HR department?
They want to further the spying agenda, outlaw encryption and p2p technology because spying needs centralised servers (e.g. skype had to move to a centralized model), and want more funding. Gimme money money money. Ha, and they want to leer over your naked teen photos every time she crosses the border with her mobilel. And the code of your bank accounts and your emails too.
I see. I am running Debian at work under vmware, around 200 VMs and growing. Also investing in devop tools like ansible and docker.
As i said to other, your comment would be a very valid point if the code and know-how how to deal the sysvinit has not been there for +20 years.
Best comment i have seen so far here.
pin systemd -1 to servers, it wil buy some time to migrate to something else.
And there in lies the rub. The point about it is not adopted by all distributions, but by the PEOPLE/sysadmins.
This beta crap has been imposed over us unnecessarily and politically. Debian also got out of its way and is updating all servers to systemd without our asking, and without any visible dependencies, breaking configurations in the process. This is far more than "noise", what you have is fellow technicians and users, your customers and peers, for christ sake, telling you they are not happy. Many of us that have been months already using Debian with systemd pinned a testimonial that this would not be a required situation. To add insult to injury, everyone that speaks about this tabu is told to suck it up, man up, or that just is making noise. This is the antithesis of Debian and opensource. Debian and linux in spirit is about choice and flexibility, and many of us deflected from Windows and other flavours of Unix just because of that. We have been betrayed and sold. To the ones that say this was a consensual and democratic process. A true free and open process would be to include a choice at installation/upgrade time between the choices. If I do have a choice on the web server, on the DNS server, on the mail server, even on the kernel, on the shell that I deliver for my users, despite having defaults, than why, for christ sake, is systemd being rammed down our throats? Get a grip you and honestly, fuck you all. xxxx
correction "it is not exactly"
Me neither, but that just validates my initial point they are just changing the name of a very hated project, and throwing to our ears the usual crap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Why not posting with a true user?
Your reasoning would sound more fair if *sysv* was the newcomer. It is like exactly 20 years of core and experience disappeared overnight and was necessary to redo all over again. And I still do not understand why you do have to upgrade server from sysv to systemd when there are no dependencies on sight without a single courtesy warning in the installation scripts, and *ignore* the sysv packages installed, not even upgrading them to debian 8.
Between my family we must have 6 iphones and 3 ipads of different generations. My wife has a 5S and I have got a 5S in the past, and now a 6. All of the devices are stable and solid. More so after we upgraded our wifi to 5Ghz. All of our friends that have iPhones are very happy. Many people here due to being short of money bough iPhones 2nd hand due to their stable reputation. I would say either you are filling them up to the brink till exhausting their memory, or that you are paid to spread lies with nasty PR moves.
He is a shill.
In my testing servers, my sysvinit was upgraded to systemd without a single request or warning, and worse yet, sysvinit was not upgraded and had to be upgraded manually.
The problem is the name change without updating other packages or creating a meta package. Thanks for the heads up, i will create a meta package manually.
More fuck you and bye.
I am just saying FreeBSD is a system made by sysadmin to sysadmins and not overrun by political bastardos. I sincerely doubt they will go the same route.
Well said sir, well said. I would be interested in knowing a little more about your FreeBSD experienced. If you have linked.in, click in my homepage and join me in linked.in. Regards
I think you are a troll, but I will take the bait. Just pin the systemd to -1 and it will buy you 2 years before 9 to go the freebsd route.
Have you not the sense of the dark humour? he is a troll.
I dont understand why in earth you are both posting as ACs in such an important matter.
This beta crap has been imposed over us unnecessarily and politically. Debian also got out of its way and is updating all servers to systemd without our asking, and without any visible dependencies, breaking configurations in the process. This is far more than "noise", what you have is fellow technicians and users, your customers and peers, for christ sake, telling you they are not happy. Many of us that have been months already using Debian with systemd pinned a testimonial that this would not be a required situation. To add insult to injury, everyone that speaks about this tabu is told to suck it up, man up, or that just is making noise. This is the antithesis of Debian and opensource. Debian and linux in spirit is about choice and flexibility, and many of us deflected from Windows and other flavours of Unix just because of that. We have been betrayed and sold. To the ones that say this was a consensual and democratic process. A true free and open process would be to include a choice at installation/upgrade time between the choices. If I do have a choice on the web server, on the DNS server, on the mail server, even on the kernel, on the shell that I deliver for my users, despite having defaults, than why, for christ sake, is systemd being rammed down our throats? Get a grip you and honestly, fuck you all.
What compiling? I have a farm of virtualized Debian 8 servers and they have been chugging happily in the last few months with systemd pinned to -1. And who are you to tell others to shut up and suck it up?