It depends on what you call centralised system or medical infra-structure. I remember fully well that when I was living in an African country a few years ago, you had like 50 doctors for the whole country, most of which in the capital, and maybe 5000 witch doctors.
You do not need to go. These fuckers are not imposing mandatory quarantine for people who is coming from infected countries. There have been a couple of scares, who apparently where false. This, and ZMapp trials, and Monsanto buying share into the company developing this vaccine... seems like a plot of 28 days later.
It is pretty standard what he is seeing. I bet he is also counting the routed traffic at his box, which is quite different from the traffic that arrives at his box. It is pretty standard the backbone of providers, specially cable provides having extraneous traffic in the customers areas. Some take steps to clean it, some do not. And even the linux kernel of his router can drop packets. As I said in other threads, the guy is overreacting. It is like you are putting the police in court because their speed traps have a 10% error.
They already measure it in the backbone, and give you a web interface to look at it. I would not want yet another box drawing power that ultimately I am the one paying it. Are you being obtuse in purpose, or it is just me that cant see the point of it? By the way, the numbers would not be the same between the box and their internal measures, probably a 10% deviation.
And I can add, southern Africa has a big problem and it is called Telkom. It also does not help that due to "empowering" policies, overt racism and rampant crime they managed to drive away most of the experience people on most technical and medical fields.
I bet you also measure by the bucket the water at your home, or you car mileage, or how shoes are made, and you go to court swearing you are an expert on the filed and the guys that do the work, their consultants, and the millions they have spent on brand recognized names and RFC protocols to provide this service do not mean squat to you. It seems a brilliant strategy. You should build an ISP.
Says the AC who knows everything. Yes, you will see it, and 99.9% of cable operators dont care about blocking it. When I blocked it, my upstream use from then on was half of what it used to be.
I know it very well, when I managed an ISP, and as it was not *that* large, we gave hourly usage web interface to customers, I used to ignore traffic in the hourly range 500 KB just to avoid the hassle of my helpdesk and my customers being clueless it was background traffic, and having spurious claims of "your meter is broken, I was off for two weeks". The only way of not having it is actually (in some cases) switching off all equipments, modem included. And your router counts as a PC, so if you have a router, you are never off.
A last note too, for the ones suggesting small courts whatever... ISP side... oh yeah, we capturing the traffic with Cisco that well known brand, using Cisco software to store it, and this software made in germany from those ISP specialists which cost millions, and our quality processes are reviewed by KPMG, and our consultants reviewed the merits of this client and have not found a problem...you...I whipped out at home some software in my open source box and do not agree with them.
And someone also remembered very well about ARPs and NetBT traffic from other customers. I used to block all the non-IP and SMB traffic in the modem itself, it can be done, but normally they do not do it.
Yes, the device exists and is called a "modem" or a "router". Cable modems count all traffic that goes through them. Cisco routers also have some technology that is called Netflow. Some pop&mon ISPs that take the counting from the modem everyday can be fooled by the user resetting the modem indeed. I knew a major one from a nameless country that took the stats from the HTTP page of the modem. We where the competition and did it trough netflow in our backbone.
I wrote accounting software in the past for ISPs. In my opinion, having a 10% or 15% difference is pretty normal, and it can be justified in front of a court, be it big or small. Either encapsulation, or the fact that the traffic is being measured at their side, and not in your inside network can account for lost packets too. Some small oscillations about other systems on the net trying to attack your IP will be put into your accounting too. If you are doing p2p, after you close it, the peers will try to contact you for a while too. If you are measuring the traffic passed, also I bet your calculations are only *without* the TCP/IP headers, whilst netflow methods at the data center account for everything. Often depending on the method, you can have problems too with fragmented packets, whilst netflow again does not. Hell, in a pop&mon ISP if you switch for doing the account from iptables to netflow the numbers *will* be different. Another chance is if you are using routing or bridging on you home router, you often only count what is bridged/routed, and you can be missing some traffic. I also have had colleagues that took the traffic data from the modem itself, and then control and monitoring traffic for the internal modem network work properly will be taken into account, and you will never see it. I also often found customers trying to contest data based on MRTG or cacti, without a minimum understanding what an average does to number, which is not apparently your case.
The accounting is not only done for you, but for many customers too. Depending on the software, the modus operandi of it can be hourly, bi-daily or daily. Good luck on getting it realtime. There is a high probably the accounting data is written only in RAM (redis, memcache) and then passed off to databases at some wee hour of the night, when they have lower loads. Could the HQ be in a different time zone too? The bottom line of all this, is nobody is caring because it you creating a mountain out of a molehill, and because you have no idea what you are talking about. You are looking at a tree, and forgetting you are part of a forest. (my linked.in https://www.linkedin.com/pub/r...)
I am onto Debian just to clarify it. However, if in server side, you better move to something else. Mint took almost 3 weeks to push updates to the heartbleed bug for instance.
I have switched to Debian back already in 1997 from RH. One of my subordinates installed some our servers in Ubuntu back in 2006/7, and it was a terrible experience I do not want to repeat.
Answered too fast sadly. Besides the possibility of having idiots far more expensive outsourced from the private sector, the fact is that public sector often gets assigned second or third rate consultants because the best ones are assigned to private sector customers.
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It depends on what you call centralised system or medical infra-structure. I remember fully well that when I was living in an African country a few years ago, you had like 50 doctors for the whole country, most of which in the capital, and maybe 5000 witch doctors.
You do not need to go. These fuckers are not imposing mandatory quarantine for people who is coming from infected countries. There have been a couple of scares, who apparently where false. This, and ZMapp trials, and Monsanto buying share into the company developing this vaccine... seems like a plot of 28 days later.
There is neither petrol nor american interests to protect. Much like Serbia a couple of decades ago.
I still am the opinion the ISP is acting in good faith, and this difference is pretty standard across most of the ISPs around the world...
c) learn more a bit about networks, IP and traffic accounting?
It is pretty standard what he is seeing. I bet he is also counting the routed traffic at his box, which is quite different from the traffic that arrives at his box. It is pretty standard the backbone of providers, specially cable provides having extraneous traffic in the customers areas. Some take steps to clean it, some do not. And even the linux kernel of his router can drop packets. As I said in other threads, the guy is overreacting. It is like you are putting the police in court because their speed traps have a 10% error.
They already measure it in the backbone, and give you a web interface to look at it. I would not want yet another box drawing power that ultimately I am the one paying it. Are you being obtuse in purpose, or it is just me that cant see the point of it? By the way, the numbers would not be the same between the box and their internal measures, probably a 10% deviation.
Tell me the numbers of loto then. Asshat.
And I can add, southern Africa has a big problem and it is called Telkom. It also does not help that due to "empowering" policies, overt racism and rampant crime they managed to drive away most of the experience people on most technical and medical fields.
I bet you also measure by the bucket the water at your home, or you car mileage, or how shoes are made, and you go to court swearing you are an expert on the filed and the guys that do the work, their consultants, and the millions they have spent on brand recognized names and RFC protocols to provide this service do not mean squat to you. It seems a brilliant strategy. You should build an ISP.
Says the AC who knows everything. Yes, you will see it, and 99.9% of cable operators dont care about blocking it. When I blocked it, my upstream use from then on was half of what it used to be.
I know it very well, when I managed an ISP, and as it was not *that* large, we gave hourly usage web interface to customers, I used to ignore traffic in the hourly range 500 KB just to avoid the hassle of my helpdesk and my customers being clueless it was background traffic, and having spurious claims of "your meter is broken, I was off for two weeks". The only way of not having it is actually (in some cases) switching off all equipments, modem included. And your router counts as a PC, so if you have a router, you are never off.
A last note too, for the ones suggesting small courts whatever... ISP side ... oh yeah, we capturing the traffic with Cisco that well known brand, using Cisco software to store it, and this software made in germany from those ISP specialists which cost millions, and our quality processes are reviewed by KPMG, and our consultants reviewed the merits of this client and have not found a problem...you...I whipped out at home some software in my open source box and do not agree with them.
And someone also remembered very well about ARPs and NetBT traffic from other customers. I used to block all the non-IP and SMB traffic in the modem itself, it can be done, but normally they do not do it.
Yes, the device exists and is called a "modem" or a "router". Cable modems count all traffic that goes through them. Cisco routers also have some technology that is called Netflow. Some pop&mon ISPs that take the counting from the modem everyday can be fooled by the user resetting the modem indeed. I knew a major one from a nameless country that took the stats from the HTTP page of the modem. We where the competition and did it trough netflow in our backbone.
No, you wont. Read my thread "Pretty normal"
I wrote accounting software in the past for ISPs. In my opinion, having a 10% or 15% difference is pretty normal, and it can be justified in front of a court, be it big or small. Either encapsulation, or the fact that the traffic is being measured at their side, and not in your inside network can account for lost packets too. Some small oscillations about other systems on the net trying to attack your IP will be put into your accounting too. If you are doing p2p, after you close it, the peers will try to contact you for a while too. If you are measuring the traffic passed, also I bet your calculations are only *without* the TCP/IP headers, whilst netflow methods at the data center account for everything. Often depending on the method, you can have problems too with fragmented packets, whilst netflow again does not. Hell, in a pop&mon ISP if you switch for doing the account from iptables to netflow the numbers *will* be different. Another chance is if you are using routing or bridging on you home router, you often only count what is bridged/routed, and you can be missing some traffic. I also have had colleagues that took the traffic data from the modem itself, and then control and monitoring traffic for the internal modem network work properly will be taken into account, and you will never see it. I also often found customers trying to contest data based on MRTG or cacti, without a minimum understanding what an average does to number, which is not apparently your case. The accounting is not only done for you, but for many customers too. Depending on the software, the modus operandi of it can be hourly, bi-daily or daily. Good luck on getting it realtime. There is a high probably the accounting data is written only in RAM (redis, memcache) and then passed off to databases at some wee hour of the night, when they have lower loads. Could the HQ be in a different time zone too? The bottom line of all this, is nobody is caring because it you creating a mountain out of a molehill, and because you have no idea what you are talking about. You are looking at a tree, and forgetting you are part of a forest. (my linked.in https://www.linkedin.com/pub/r...)
And after he starts an ISP he will found out this differences are pretty normal.
Really? It has been my Debian knowledge that has secured me a job at least in the 4 last places I worked...
I am a bit of loss, why all this spam about MyCleanPC in several threads?
I am onto Debian just to clarify it. However, if in server side, you better move to something else. Mint took almost 3 weeks to push updates to the heartbleed bug for instance.
I have switched to Debian back already in 1997 from RH. One of my subordinates installed some our servers in Ubuntu back in 2006/7, and it was a terrible experience I do not want to repeat.
RH should have been worried about that like 17 years ago when I switched to Debian because they were messing up. Now I frankly do not care.
Answered too fast sadly. Besides the possibility of having idiots far more expensive outsourced from the private sector, the fact is that public sector often gets assigned second or third rate consultants because the best ones are assigned to private sector customers.
Idiots far more expensive too, btw.