Hmmm, and what was the impetus for the "War on Terror"? That which provides a "wartime" situation in which the president can conduct national security serveillance w/out court oversight? What was it that got the average American to overwhelmingly support "action" -- i.e. the Patriot Act? This generation's version of Operation Northwood? Or just some random event that couldn't possibly been carried out intentionally? Are the powers that be just "lucky" that something extraordinary happened to give them such power? Is it wrong to even question the "official story"?
Don't worry. The next time you see it coming because you understand this concept of a "track record" or have read a little history, you'll still be called a tin-foil hatter.
Just until the next big revelation occurs, then it'll be "wow how could the government be so out of control", etc. Unfortunately thinking outside the box is lost on the majority, either ignorantly or willfully.
I did that after I heard of the doom of Google Reader (I actually had never used it, but used Opera's mail client between 3 different systems). Best decision of my life -- I lead an uneventful life.
Agreed. And what I don't get about this whole thing is that EVERY ISP DOES THE SAME THING. I fucking host several things from my home connection for my personal use (Subsonic, tt-rss, VPN, etc.) -- it's against the "rules" just like it would be if I were lucky enough to have Google Fiber, but BH has never come calling for my head about it. Why? Because my upstream usage is likely merely a blip compared to the other shit that goes on on their network, like idiots allowing too much torrent seeding, etc. That Google is doing this shouldn't be a surprise, really. And I'm by no means a fan of Google, and in fact more closely related to what some would call a "hater". Why this is sensationalized into an argument "against net neutrality" is beyond me.
And a conservative might say the same thing about the "liberal-leaning" MSM stations. Both of you are "right", or "wrong". Different stations pander to different mentalities (liberal vs. conservative). You're missing the point of the post you're replying to, unfortunately. That Fox "is more biased" is IRRELEVANT.
All mainstream news outlets spin and twist facts. It is not a left or right thing. Awesome anecdotal evidence, but if you didn't know that all mainstream media does this depending on which issue they're reporting, I ask you in the kindest way possible to wake the fuck up.
C) "B" as a consequence of "A" except that s/stupid/ignorant ?
I don't really see a way out of it. It would take a HUGE event to knock most people loose -- and what could be larger than wide-spread awareness that our constitution is being trampled on?
To wit, I ask several friends and family members [who aren't awake] what they think about the recent NSA revelation, and one of two things happen: (1) we discuss for a moment the implications and I try to impart wisdom, at which point the discussion devolves into commentary re: Game of Thrones or some other currently popular TV show, or (2) they heard about it, but don't really care because "the gov't won't find anything about me other than what kind of pr0n I like to jack off to."
Forethought and critical thinking is required, and sadly, is severely lacking in the majority of folks.
So if we did not want to the Patriot Act to be passed in the first place, according to you it's "silly" to continue being mad that it was passed? And now that the [pacified] public realizes the extent that the unconstitutional law is being used, those who were against the law from the beginning are "silly" to try to capitalize on said realization? If some of us have objected to the law since it was passed, should we not now continue objecting to it, because it would be "silly"? Flawed logic, imo.
Perhaps you meant "those who idly watched as the Patriot Act was passed are silly to be mad about the current events"? Not everyone who posts here "idly watched"...your post makes the incorrect assumption that everyone did -- apparently by the fact that the Patriot Act still remains active. Just because it remains active does not mean that there was a minority of those who were against it.
Sticking your head in the sand is certainly a plausible way to not think critically about what's going on...whether you believe "big brother is at hand" or not. Kudos to you and other's living in denial:)
You mean like how Microsoft lifted features/concepts from KDE and put them in Vista/7?
>Windows 8 vs KDE and Gnome
I'm not sure about gnome these days, but the KDE guys have a fully fleshed out touch centered interface (KDE Plasma Active), but they keep it entirely separated from the base KDE install, because unlike Microsoft, they reacognize that desktops and tablets are used differently.
This meme that Linux desktop devs blindly follow Microsoft and Apple needs to die. Because while it has a grain of truth that came from last century, it's completely outdated.
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BMO
Thanks, I was going to quickly come to the defense of my beloved KDE, but you've made all the points for me:) I almost spit out my coffee when I read this: "They'll all just end up copying Windows eventually anyway." -- in fact the exact opposite is happening, in case GP hasn't been paying attention.
From my understanding, Debian-stable is MEANT to have stable, working packages, much like RHEL intends. Not sure why you were surprised...next time RTFM. I've never used Debian in my life, but even I know that there are different branches you can follow that are intended for different needs (stability, bleeding-edge, etc.)
The audacity to think that sysadmins should be able to handle their system themselves their way. Why would you NOT pay ungodly amounts of money for a company to hold your hand??
Hmmm...in every case I can think of that a cop would shoot someone, it would also be legal for a citizen to shoot someone. Unless of course you're talking about the dirty one's who gun down suspects plant evidence...yes that would be illegal (as it is for them too...)
I get where you're going, just a bad choice of rebuttal.
I agree, as long as the government never decides to start looking into domestic citizen communications, we have nothing to fear. Even then it'll of course be secret and we won't know about it just as was the case here -- unless some other whistle blower emerges. Hell even THEN, if one isn't doing anything wrong, he has nothing to fear.
You seem to be confused. PRISM has nothing to do with the meta-data dragnet that was leaked and everything to do with the fact that the NSA has unfettered access to the data companies like MS, Apple, Google, Facebook, etc. have on us.
"Data which the NSA is able to obtain under PRISM allegedly includes email, video and voice chat, videos, photos, voice over IP conversations, file transfers, login notifications and social networking details."
... how they placed a high school dropout in such a position of trust. Quoting the Guardian "Snowden is a 29-year-old high-school dropout who trained for the Army Special Forces before an injury forced him to leave the military. His IT credentials are apparently limited to a few “computer” classes he took at a community college in order to get his high-school equivalency degree—courses that he did not complete. His first job at the NSA was as a security guard. Then, amazingly, he moved up the ranks of the United States’ national security infrastructure: The CIA gave him a job in IT security. He was given diplomatic cover in Geneva. He was hired by Booz Allen Hamilton, the government contractor, which paid him $200,000 a year to work on the NSA’s computer systems.".. Wtf are people smoking in the US?
Did you miss this part? (I have a feeling you're not directly quoting the article since you seem to have left this out:
"...his understanding of the internet and his talent for computer programming enabled him to rise fairly quickly for someone who lacked even a high school diploma."
WTF does education have to do with the type of position you hold? Education =/= intelligence or talent. Your comment is fucking idiotic. Thankfully not everyone is so small-minded or even I (lacking a college degree) would not have been able to build the career I have today.
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Hmmm, and what was the impetus for the "War on Terror"? That which provides a "wartime" situation in which the president can conduct national security serveillance w/out court oversight? What was it that got the average American to overwhelmingly support "action" -- i.e. the Patriot Act? This generation's version of Operation Northwood? Or just some random event that couldn't possibly been carried out intentionally? Are the powers that be just "lucky" that something extraordinary happened to give them such power? Is it wrong to even question the "official story"?
Confer with the shee^H^H^H^H Snowden naysayers regarding this distinction.
Don't worry. The next time you see it coming because you understand this concept of a "track record" or have read a little history, you'll still be called a tin-foil hatter.
Just until the next big revelation occurs, then it'll be "wow how could the government be so out of control", etc. Unfortunately thinking outside the box is lost on the majority, either ignorantly or willfully.
What's the use of bringing up facts? It just causes the Ovis to cover their ears more, shut their eyes tighter and scream "la la la" louder.
I did that after I heard of the doom of Google Reader (I actually had never used it, but used Opera's mail client between 3 different systems). Best decision of my life -- I lead an uneventful life.
Agreed. And what I don't get about this whole thing is that EVERY ISP DOES THE SAME THING. I fucking host several things from my home connection for my personal use (Subsonic, tt-rss, VPN, etc.) -- it's against the "rules" just like it would be if I were lucky enough to have Google Fiber, but BH has never come calling for my head about it. Why? Because my upstream usage is likely merely a blip compared to the other shit that goes on on their network, like idiots allowing too much torrent seeding, etc. That Google is doing this shouldn't be a surprise, really. And I'm by no means a fan of Google, and in fact more closely related to what some would call a "hater". Why this is sensationalized into an argument "against net neutrality" is beyond me.
Once again the taxpayer gets the shaft. Par for the course in our great Sunshine State.
Best AC post evar? Unfortunately I've no mod points.
And a conservative might say the same thing about the "liberal-leaning" MSM stations. Both of you are "right", or "wrong". Different stations pander to different mentalities (liberal vs. conservative). You're missing the point of the post you're replying to, unfortunately. That Fox "is more biased" is IRRELEVANT.
All mainstream news outlets spin and twist facts. It is not a left or right thing. Awesome anecdotal evidence, but if you didn't know that all mainstream media does this depending on which issue they're reporting, I ask you in the kindest way possible to wake the fuck up.
C) "B" as a consequence of "A" except that s/stupid/ignorant ? I don't really see a way out of it. It would take a HUGE event to knock most people loose -- and what could be larger than wide-spread awareness that our constitution is being trampled on? To wit, I ask several friends and family members [who aren't awake] what they think about the recent NSA revelation, and one of two things happen: (1) we discuss for a moment the implications and I try to impart wisdom, at which point the discussion devolves into commentary re: Game of Thrones or some other currently popular TV show, or (2) they heard about it, but don't really care because "the gov't won't find anything about me other than what kind of pr0n I like to jack off to." Forethought and critical thinking is required, and sadly, is severely lacking in the majority of folks.
So if we did not want to the Patriot Act to be passed in the first place, according to you it's "silly" to continue being mad that it was passed? And now that the [pacified] public realizes the extent that the unconstitutional law is being used, those who were against the law from the beginning are "silly" to try to capitalize on said realization? If some of us have objected to the law since it was passed, should we not now continue objecting to it, because it would be "silly"? Flawed logic, imo.
Perhaps you meant "those who idly watched as the Patriot Act was passed are silly to be mad about the current events"? Not everyone who posts here "idly watched"...your post makes the incorrect assumption that everyone did -- apparently by the fact that the Patriot Act still remains active. Just because it remains active does not mean that there was a minority of those who were against it.
Sticking your head in the sand is certainly a plausible way to not think critically about what's going on...whether you believe "big brother is at hand" or not. Kudos to you and other's living in denial :)
"TEHHH TINNNFFOYYYYLEEE!!!"
You mean like how Microsoft lifted features/concepts from KDE and put them in Vista/7?
>Windows 8 vs KDE and Gnome
I'm not sure about gnome these days, but the KDE guys have a fully fleshed out touch centered interface (KDE Plasma Active), but they keep it entirely separated from the base KDE install, because unlike Microsoft, they reacognize that desktops and tablets are used differently.
This meme that Linux desktop devs blindly follow Microsoft and Apple needs to die. Because while it has a grain of truth that came from last century, it's completely outdated.
-- BMO
Thanks, I was going to quickly come to the defense of my beloved KDE, but you've made all the points for me :) I almost spit out my coffee when I read this: "They'll all just end up copying Windows eventually anyway." -- in fact the exact opposite is happening, in case GP hasn't been paying attention.
Agreed...forgot my sarcasm tag? :p
From my understanding, Debian-stable is MEANT to have stable, working packages, much like RHEL intends. Not sure why you were surprised...next time RTFM. I've never used Debian in my life, but even I know that there are different branches you can follow that are intended for different needs (stability, bleeding-edge, etc.)
The audacity to think that sysadmins should be able to handle their system themselves their way. Why would you NOT pay ungodly amounts of money for a company to hold your hand??
Glad I live in a gun nut state.
Hmmm...in every case I can think of that a cop would shoot someone, it would also be legal for a citizen to shoot someone. Unless of course you're talking about the dirty one's who gun down suspects plant evidence...yes that would be illegal (as it is for them too...) I get where you're going, just a bad choice of rebuttal.
It's mind-boggling how so many of our leaders have such blatant contempt for due process, our privacy, etc., and how many actually AGREE with them.
I agree, as long as the government never decides to start looking into domestic citizen communications, we have nothing to fear. Even then it'll of course be secret and we won't know about it just as was the case here -- unless some other whistle blower emerges. Hell even THEN, if one isn't doing anything wrong, he has nothing to fear.
You seem to be confused. PRISM has nothing to do with the meta-data dragnet that was leaked and everything to do with the fact that the NSA has unfettered access to the data companies like MS, Apple, Google, Facebook, etc. have on us.
"Data which the NSA is able to obtain under PRISM allegedly includes email, video and voice chat, videos, photos, voice over IP conversations, file transfers, login notifications and social networking details."
See this for more info.
... how they placed a high school dropout in such a position of trust. Quoting the Guardian "Snowden is a 29-year-old high-school dropout who trained for the Army Special Forces before an injury forced him to leave the military. His IT credentials are apparently limited to a few “computer” classes he took at a community college in order to get his high-school equivalency degree—courses that he did not complete. His first job at the NSA was as a security guard. Then, amazingly, he moved up the ranks of the United States’ national security infrastructure: The CIA gave him a job in IT security. He was given diplomatic cover in Geneva. He was hired by Booz Allen Hamilton, the government contractor, which paid him $200,000 a year to work on the NSA’s computer systems." .. Wtf are people smoking in the US?
Did you miss this part? (I have a feeling you're not directly quoting the article since you seem to have left this out: "...his understanding of the internet and his talent for computer programming enabled him to rise fairly quickly for someone who lacked even a high school diploma." WTF does education have to do with the type of position you hold? Education =/= intelligence or talent. Your comment is fucking idiotic. Thankfully not everyone is so small-minded or even I (lacking a college degree) would not have been able to build the career I have today.