If you were able to comprehend what you read, you would know that I was challenging the premise of a "bomb facsimile". So simply stating that it was a bomb facsimile as if it is a fact is pointless.
Being brown and Muslim doesn't mean you get to break the law as long as no one was in any real danger. No one would have given this story a second thought if the child had been white.
Once again you seem to be completely missing the point of what is being argued. The argument is that *the reason* this clock was being portrayed as being a bomb facsimile is *because* the kid was muslim.
Yes no one would have given it a second thought if the kid was white, including the teachers who would not have (hopefully) called the cops.
Also, the *reason* a bomb facsimile is illegal is *because* it is *potentially* a real bomb. Which means that you are supposed to evacuate the school in the event of a bomb facsimile because you don't know it's not a real bomb until after the fact.
This all just seems like the other side of the same SJW bullshit. The media is suppressing information (that weirdly is still freely available to nearly everyone), and anybody with an opposing voice is labelled a racist and "buried" under criticism.
Since when do you have a right to not be "buried under criticism". This all seems like it's just a normal marketplace of ideas doing it's thing. What exactly is the problem?
So "disrupting class" should be something to call the cops for? This is a waste of taxpayer money. The school should punish the kid for disrupting class, and the school should be in trouble for frivolously calling the cops and wasting their time. It is not the job of police to discipline misbehaving kids. That's the school's job.
That's Ok sonny. You don't have to have all the answers. There are lots of nice and smart people out there who will take pity on you and make sure you don't hurt yourself too bad. You'll be ok. Just try to find an adult if you get scared.
at what point do we say, hey, that's looks enough like a bomb to make it a problem for someone, of any color, to bring in?
Maybe when people have a fucking clue of what a bomb actually looks like.
Should you call the cops if you see a a gang fight? Yes. Should you call the cops if you can't tell the difference between a real gang fight and a stage production of west side story? Probably not.
I don't expect people to know what bombs look like. They aren't like guns where they all kind of look the same. But I also don't expect people to think they know what bombs look like.
I also expect people, if they are truly going to make the call and proceed as if some unknown thing is a potential bomb, to actually try to evacuate other people rather than simply get the "bombmaker" in legal trouble.
Kids are stupid by default. That's why we don't let them sign contracts or vote. I really don't know who is more stupid. All I know is that one of those 2 people is an adult and should know better.
"The media" is not a person. That's like saying congress would never criticize the president because "the government" doesn't want to admit it did anything wrong. I'm sure Fox news would be willing to admit that other media outlets were wrong whether it was true or not.
OK, so why didn't the teacher pull the alarm and evacuate the whole school? Dumb kids with shitty fathers have a good excuse for not acting appropriately.
I think the problem is that people think they know what IEDs look like because they watch the Jack Bauer show. IEDs are supposed to like like anything *but* IEDs. I expect people to recognize their own limitations. Just kidding, this is exactly what I expect.
Another thing you shouldn't do is post this dumb as fuck post as anything but "anonymous coward", because then everyone will know you are dumb. So good job on that part.
So the appropriate response to a kid with something that looks like a bomb is to ask him to "put it away", and only then if he refuses, call the cops and have him arrested?
It makes no sense that "put it away" is an appropriate response if they thought it actually might be a bomb. In this scenario, evacuating the whole school and calling the bomb squad might make more sense.
It makes no sense to cal the cops and have him arrested if they knew it was not a bomb.
Maybe the kid and his whole family are trolls. My question is why is this school so fucking dumb.
You're like one of those dogs that falls down running across a slippery floor every single time. I feel a bit guilty laughing, but I just can't help it.
If you are able to use entry into the second house to steal stuff from the first house, then yes, that the security on the first house is insufficient protection. If the two are completely unrelated, then the security of the first makes no difference.
In this case, card vs card+chip+pin is like two homes with a tunnel between them. The first home might be more secure, but the tunnel is doesn't have any security on it. So the valuables in the first house are still at risk through entry into the second house; and the guy that sold the first house to the current owners failed to mention the existence of the tunnel.
Yes, it is exactly like this, if the tunnel was put there specifically for people who did not know how to properly authenticate themselves to the security system, with the understanding that the tunnel will eventually be filled in when enough people know how to properly authenticate themselves. My point is that the existence of the tunnel is not a weakness in the security system, it is a temporary tunnel specifically designed to bypass the bypass the system, and can easily be filled in whenever "we" want.
The card number is single use. If they try to use it again, it doesn't work
It's more secure than a card number that is multi-use (old mag strip cards). But it is not more secure than a chip card with no numbers at all.
here's a couple:
Your first citation describes a vulnerability in a system with an "implementation flaw", and I think the 2nd citation is describing the same implementation flaw.
In this situation I believe the problem is not with the EMV cars system itself but rather individual banks usage of the system.
This is similar to how Sony's flawed implementation of ECDSA lead to the discovery of the PS3 private key. This is not a flaw in the ECDSA mechanism itself.
This is like having a really good security system and forgetting to turn it on.
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If you were able to comprehend what you read, you would know that I was challenging the premise of a "bomb facsimile". So simply stating that it was a bomb facsimile as if it is a fact is pointless.
Being brown and Muslim doesn't mean you get to break the law as long as no one was in any real danger. No one would have given this story a second thought if the child had been white.
Once again you seem to be completely missing the point of what is being argued. The argument is that *the reason* this clock was being portrayed as being a bomb facsimile is *because* the kid was muslim.
Yes no one would have given it a second thought if the kid was white, including the teachers who would not have (hopefully) called the cops.
Also, the *reason* a bomb facsimile is illegal is *because* it is *potentially* a real bomb. Which means that you are supposed to evacuate the school in the event of a bomb facsimile because you don't know it's not a real bomb until after the fact.
This all just seems like the other side of the same SJW bullshit. The media is suppressing information (that weirdly is still freely available to nearly everyone), and anybody with an opposing voice is labelled a racist and "buried" under criticism.
Since when do you have a right to not be "buried under criticism". This all seems like it's just a normal marketplace of ideas doing it's thing. What exactly is the problem?
Just stick with me kid.
It's just hilarious when you go into "wise grandpa" mode :)
So "disrupting class" should be something to call the cops for? This is a waste of taxpayer money. The school should punish the kid for disrupting class, and the school should be in trouble for frivolously calling the cops and wasting their time. It is not the job of police to discipline misbehaving kids. That's the school's job.
I come in here and see some dumb comment to respond to, and then I look at who wrote it...
That's Ok sonny. You don't have to have all the answers. There are lots of nice and smart people out there who will take pity on you and make sure you don't hurt yourself too bad. You'll be ok. Just try to find an adult if you get scared.
at what point do we say, hey, that's looks enough like a bomb to make it a problem for someone, of any color, to bring in?
Maybe when people have a fucking clue of what a bomb actually looks like.
Should you call the cops if you see a a gang fight? Yes. Should you call the cops if you can't tell the difference between a real gang fight and a stage production of west side story? Probably not.
I don't expect people to know what bombs look like. They aren't like guns where they all kind of look the same. But I also don't expect people to think they know what bombs look like.
I also expect people, if they are truly going to make the call and proceed as if some unknown thing is a potential bomb, to actually try to evacuate other people rather than simply get the "bombmaker" in legal trouble.
Kids are stupid by default. That's why we don't let them sign contracts or vote. I really don't know who is more stupid. All I know is that one of those 2 people is an adult and should know better.
Such as?
There can be more than one bad guy.
"The media" is not a person. That's like saying congress would never criticize the president because "the government" doesn't want to admit it did anything wrong. I'm sure Fox news would be willing to admit that other media outlets were wrong whether it was true or not.
OK, so why didn't the teacher pull the alarm and evacuate the whole school? Dumb kids with shitty fathers have a good excuse for not acting appropriately.
That's like a publicity stunt to make the pope look religious.
A socially awkward white boy would probably have received the same treatment
Maybe... but not an Asian kid....
And the other teachers turned out to be exactly as dumb as the engineering teacher predicted.
I think the problem is that people think they know what IEDs look like because they watch the Jack Bauer show. IEDs are supposed to like like anything *but* IEDs. I expect people to recognize their own limitations. Just kidding, this is exactly what I expect.
Another thing you shouldn't do is post this dumb as fuck post as anything but "anonymous coward", because then everyone will know you are dumb. So good job on that part.
If he had put the parts in a paper bag, then it would have been a paper bag bomb.
I don't thinking anyone is suggesting that taking apart a clock is equivalent to an earning an EE degree.
So the appropriate response to a kid with something that looks like a bomb is to ask him to "put it away", and only then if he refuses, call the cops and have him arrested?
It makes no sense that "put it away" is an appropriate response if they thought it actually might be a bomb. In this scenario, evacuating the whole school and calling the bomb squad might make more sense.
It makes no sense to cal the cops and have him arrested if they knew it was not a bomb.
Maybe the kid and his whole family are trolls. My question is why is this school so fucking dumb.
You're like one of those dogs that falls down running across a slippery floor every single time. I feel a bit guilty laughing, but I just can't help it.
lol
You haven't angered me. On the contrary, you have provided me with hours of entertainment.
If you are able to use entry into the second house to steal stuff from the first house, then yes, that the security on the first house is insufficient protection. If the two are completely unrelated, then the security of the first makes no difference. In this case, card vs card+chip+pin is like two homes with a tunnel between them. The first home might be more secure, but the tunnel is doesn't have any security on it. So the valuables in the first house are still at risk through entry into the second house; and the guy that sold the first house to the current owners failed to mention the existence of the tunnel.
Yes, it is exactly like this, if the tunnel was put there specifically for people who did not know how to properly authenticate themselves to the security system, with the understanding that the tunnel will eventually be filled in when enough people know how to properly authenticate themselves. My point is that the existence of the tunnel is not a weakness in the security system, it is a temporary tunnel specifically designed to bypass the bypass the system, and can easily be filled in whenever "we" want.
The card number is single use. If they try to use it again, it doesn't work
It's more secure than a card number that is multi-use (old mag strip cards). But it is not more secure than a chip card with no numbers at all.
here's a couple:
Your first citation describes a vulnerability in a system with an "implementation flaw", and I think the 2nd citation is describing the same implementation flaw.
In this situation I believe the problem is not with the EMV cars system itself but rather individual banks usage of the system.
This is similar to how Sony's flawed implementation of ECDSA lead to the discovery of the PS3 private key. This is not a flaw in the ECDSA mechanism itself.
This is like having a really good security system and forgetting to turn it on.