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'Clock Kid' Ahmed Mohamed and His Family To Leave US, Move To Qatar
theodp writes: The curious case of Ahmed Mohamed, the 9th grader who was cuffed for scaring school officials with what turned out to be a repackaged digital clock, has taken yet another twist with news on Tuesday that the 'Clock Kid' and his family will move to Qatar. Less than 24 hours after Ahmed met President Obama at the White House, the family issued a news release saying, "After careful consideration of all the generous offers received, we would like to announce that we have accepted a kind offer from Qatar Foundation for Education, Science and Community Development (QF) for Ahmed to join the prestigious QF Young Innovators Program, which reflects the organization's on-going dedication to empowering young people and fostering a culture of innovation and creativity." Prior to the announcement, some in the press sensed something was amiss when the President seemed to give Ahmed the cold shoulder on Monday after personally inviting Ahmed to the White House for "Astronomy Night." Last month, Ahmed enjoyed a decidedly warmer welcome at Google, where he was literally put front and center before the Google Science Fair winners (including Grand Prize winner Olivia Hallisey, who came up with a novel way to detect Ebola), and enjoyed a meet-and-greet with Sergey Brin.
Remove casing from a Wallmart clock
get invited by Google and President
Fucking genius, durrrr.
It was a mass produced clock, not any "invention".
OK, lets be 100% honest about this kid. This entire thing was a setup by his FATHER to get attention for his "cause". His father is a well known activist and Imam who plans these types of events. Now that the whole thing has been exposed as a fraud the father is moving. Of course the media never follows up, and the public never learns the truth.
Cool post, AC. Want to bring it to the White House?
Remove casing from a Wallmart clock
get invited by Google and President
Fucking genius, durrrr.
It was a mass produced clock, not any "invention".
Unfortunately true. He is not a particularly bright kid and is being unduly celebrated. He took apart a clock. While we should celebrate kids taking apart clocks, we shouldn't call it an invention.
Bye Felisha..
U.S education would most likely fail this kid, as most other American children. Or get him arrested. Again. What I really wonder is how many Americans are now thinking he's "aiding the enemy", for leaving the country and taking his talents elsewhere.
Enjoy being not rich in qatar fraud boy
Yawn...The family monetizes its 15 minutes of fame.
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Good riddance.
The invention turned out to be nothing of the sort, and supposedly his sister had been trying to stir shit up w.r.t. Muslim oppression.
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Because clearly he deserves more recognition for reassembling a clock than Olivia does for discovering a new way to detect Ebola...
Wow, paranoia has gotten into Americans head. The terrorists of 9/11 are getting exactly what they wanted. Remove freedoms of the American Way and have Americans scared. Information from Snowden, clearly show lost freedoms, and the fact that a 9th grader made a clock and because of his race clearly he made a Bxxx (not going to say the word... NSA is listening) clearly demonstrates fear.
I guess they just created a future enemy of the state, another ex pat that will turn?
No you forgot, he set it up like a suitcase bomb to get attention. Much more inventive than just taking it apart. Getting attention is the only route to success in America.
I took apart 2-3 clocks growing up. Where's my medal?
So that can watch his 15 minutes of fame elapsing with sub-second accuracy.
I think I will learn a lot and have fun too.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Remove casing from a Wallmart clock
get invited by Google and President
Fucking genius, durrrr.
It was a mass produced clock, not any "invention".
Don't forget the part about meeting with the leader of...Sudan, of all places. Yeah, he lost my support and all hope of my thinking he's interested in fairness and equality after that.
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is that people loved Ahmed, but when he leaves the U.S he's suddenly a traitor, or something. How long before before people start talking about him in the context of "terrorism"? The big country in the west with the small-minded people.
Ahmed didn't just not invent anything, he disobeyed a science teacher who saw the clock and told him not to show it to anyone else in the school. Ahmed plugged in the clock and set an alarm to go off during his English class. The mess of unsecured components and wires was dangerous when plugged into 110V AC, if not scary for what it might be. The English teacher quite understandably freaked out.
Ahmed's father had to have known the clock was not the invention of his son, yet he set up fundraisers.
Last November, Ahmed's father registered a company named Twin Towers Transportation.
Obama should be ashamed of his rush to judgement, as should Google.
Good Riddance.
It appears this family has tried this grab for attention more than once, with the daughter at least once....
So, they finally got their 15min of fame, and now let's just be happy to have them out of the country and back where they want to be in the first place.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Can we kick the rest of them there?
I'll throw in for however many badly dissassembled mass produced clocks are needed...
I took apart 2-3 clocks growing up. Where's my medal?
As I recall, he was arrested, not get a medal.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I think it was somewhere around junior high. I needed a tv, so took apart two bad ones around 25" and replaced the picture tube in one. It was one of the old wood cased tvs. It worked fine, but severely annoyed my mother. Of course, the potential voltages involved that might still be present even while unplugged are incredibly dangerous, so don't do this.
Still, it would have been nice to get a full scholarship or something for my creativity ;)
Ah well...
This is not about it being an invention. This is about him doing something interesting for his age and at the very least he did some re soldering there and instead of getting a pat on the head from his teachers, they overreacted the police. On top of that, he was illegally questioned by the police since his parents were not allowed to be present even after he asked for them. They made this kid feel like an isolated second class person and to be honest, I can't imagine a more effective way to turn this kid into an actual terrorist.
The attention he got was more about undoing the damage than rewarding any actual genius.
Among the OPEC nations, Qatar has the lowest "survival" oil price. Saudi Arabia has the lowest production cost, less than 5$ a barrel. But the government has so many obligations, borrowings, interest obligations etc etc, it needed oil to be at 105$ a barrel to survive. Other countries were even higher. Sensing the danger fracking is posing to OPEC, Saudi Arabia decided to take care of itself first. It built a large fund slowly to weather the storm and dropped the oil price. It was hoping it would stabilize at 80$ a barrel, making fracking not worth the investment, while stretching its reserve funds. But it took all other OPEC nations by surprise, there was no concerted action, no help from Saudis for immediate budget needs, so all hell broke loose and oil went south all the way to 40$ a barrel. It is hurting them all. But least hurt nations are Qatar, its survival price was about 60$ a barrel last Dec, and Saudi Arabia because it built a reserve fund and its production costs are so low.
OPEC is hoping fracking will stop, inventories will dwindle and the oil price will go back up. But fracking does not need large lead times. The fracking leases already bought have been paid for, and new leases are coming in at low prices. So if oil goes back over 60$ fracking will start to thaw and it will keep oil below 80$ all the time.
It is bad for global warming, renewables and all that, but for sustained economic growth there is nothing like low energy prices. Qatar might be the only country there to become an Arabian Singapore. So this invitation to the clock kid seems a natural fit for them. The clock kid's dad was a Presidential candidate in Sudan. Not some impoverished African, he got connections too.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
This troll had everything, including a meeting with the President of the United States.
That they miss their plane because their alarm clock failed.
Unfortunately true.
No, it's not true at all.
It was a RadioShack clock.
And Walmart only has one L in it.
Granted, everything else is true.
Don't let the US door hit your ass on the way out.
Everyone ran to cater to him and now they all look stupid.
Wait, "half-nigger piece of shit" gets modded "Insightful"? WTF has happened to this site?
Hell yeah! Sounds like fun. Sitting in the rose garden with the President, talking clocks, and having a couple of mugs of frosty piss.
Remove casing from a Wallmart clock
get invited by Google and President
Fucking genius, durrrr.
It was a mass produced clock, not any "invention".
Unfortunately true. He is not a particularly bright kid and is being unduly celebrated. He took apart a clock. While we should celebrate kids taking apart clocks, we shouldn't call it an invention.
You're right. Instead we should let another country celebrate and reward his "genius". Good luck to them.
Yep.... I hate to say it, but I think a LOT of us just got fooled on this one, at least initially. As techie "geeks", we *wanted* to believe this was all about a young, brilliant kid getting held back by "the system".
In reality, it's shaping up to look like this was all a political ploy.... Research the background of the kid's parents and you'll start to see what I mean.
IMO, this was all part of a preconceived plan to scare people at school by bringing in a suspicious-looking device and then cry discrimination when called out on it.
i was a liberal, i find myself shifting further along to the right nowadays, and the left has moved further left too.
anyway, this whole thing has always struck me as a publicity stunt. There are certain things you don't do. I don't want to get robbed, I don't go walking certain places in certain cities. If you're muslim, you don't bring anything to school that can be mistaken for a bomb... if you're anybody you don't bring anything to school that can be mistaken for a bomb really, but especially if you're muslim.
it shouldn't matter yada yada yada, but it does. Like it shouldn't matter what your skin color is to the police, but if you're black, you don't make any sudden movements.
this is the world we live in.
christians don't use bombs, they're way more into guns.
muslims use bombs, and they don't mind dying at the same time
jews don't do this kind of thing, except in israel, and that's way over there
buddhists and hindus maybe, but over there as well.
and the entire country went apeshit, because it's what everyone is thinking but it's not how people want the world to work.
Well, both, so to speak. He got arrested first, and then came all the hype of his "inventiveness", and he became a media hero.
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He'll probably marry into the Kardashian family in a few years.
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Sorry, but you need to be part of a celebrated group, re-assemble your clock into something that some people say resembles an IED, and then have the school go apeshit and overreact to it.
Only *then* you can get your medal... but you'd better hurry up, the political landscape will most likely change in the next 18 months.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Nothing, still same ol' /.
You fucking assholes in the USA give an award to some asshole (Caitlyn Jenner) for transitioning while thousands of trans women lose their jobs and families and are starving because of your paranoia about Obamacare sex changes that don't even fucking exist. You mutilate genitals and blame the victim when anything goes wrong. How is this shit out of line? Seems SNAFU to me.
and I did not find anything of the sort. searching: "cold shoulder" obama ahmed mohomed, did not produce any good results. Can someone to something regarding the cold shoulder?
This is the United States of America. School shootings are not rare. Lets not forget Columbine. If the attackers were competent bomb makers, there would have been many more casualties. So schools are right to be paranoid about stuff brought on campus.
Around twenty years ago I was having problems with a really nice CRT, and I wanted to fix it. So, I bought a book on CRT repair, and got about as far as how much voltage is still hanging around in the electronics, and I decided, nope... I can get a new CRT.
I'm curious if they're leaving the country to avoid a potential fraud charge. You don't insult a police department this haphazardly and get away with it. Nothing would make me happier than watching this piece of trash and his family get arrested as they try and leave the country.
Yup. The media took the story and blew his achievements out of proportion. While certainly it shows promise that he has the interest in taking apart and tinkering with things, like clocks, he by no means created anything new or revolutionary. I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up overmatched at his new school.
Yes, "interesting" indeed. Good way to put it. The whole thing was a PR sham on their part. Why does he and so many others actually, literally refer to that clock as "his invention" then? His family's background and history seem more likely to produce a terrorist, or at least, a sympathizer. Maybe the cops were sick of their stunts.
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
I'm not sure why everyone is so focused on whether he 'invented' the clock. Who cares? The real issue was the absurd over-reaction of the school administrators and police. Their conduct was pathetic, embarrassing and possibly illegal. I don't care if this kid's father is the biggest douche this side of the Mississippi, its nothing next to the cowardly mindlessness of those school authorities.
"What can a thoughtful man hope for mankind on Earth, given the experience of the past million years? Nothing." -Bokonon
They made this kid feel like an isolated second class person and to be honest, I can't imagine a more effective way to turn this kid into an actual terrorist.
The attention he got was more about undoing the damage than rewarding any actual genius.
So we're on Slashdot, the official Internet home of mom's basement losers and Magic The Gathering addicts.... in other words, hundreds of thousands of people for whom the first 25 years of their lives consisted of nothing but "[being made to ] feel like an isolated second class person". How many Slashdot users go blow up innocent people as a political ploy?
If feeling a little isolated and second class is the most effective way to turn you into a terrorist, why didn't all of the isolated second class Italians and Irish and Germans and Chinese and Japanese immigrants who barely made it to this country with the clothes on their back and didn't have 30,438 federal assistance programs, become raging terrorists? How is this country even still standing -- what with all the mass bombings and slayings and blood running in the streets from all those angry disaffected young Japanese men terrorizing San Francisco?
There is absolutely 0.000% of anything in this kid's history in the United States which should explain/justify/rationalize him turning into a terrorist in the future. You're simply making another instance of the Bundy-porn argument made by the James Dobsonites in the 1990s -- Bundy watched a lot of porn; Bundy raped/killed a lot of women; therefore if someone watches a lot of porn, "I can't imagine a more effective way to turn this kid into an actual serial rapist".
Hollywood, Television, has become the dream machine. We need to take that back; each of us is a Dream Machine
PS: In 1979, I disassembled my mother's one and only (analog!) alarm clock (It was a GE - came with an AM/FM radio) to see how it worked.
I was extremely careful about it, but that didn't stop her from issuing an ultimatum: re-assemble it into full working order, or get my ass beat into oblivion. I had three minutes to spare once I demonstrated it's functionality to her satisfaction.
My reward was to get it back and keep it after she went out and bought another one; I think I added a couple of little speakers to it and a small amplifier (courtesy of an old Radio Shack 120-in-1 electronics kit). Sounded like pure crap, if I recall.
(Strangest part of it all? I still have the damned thing...)
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Would you have benefitted from more praise/recognition for your experiments while you were in school?
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You could have correctly pointed out that this was a publicity stunt without using the moronic racist claptrap.
it was a different time, but hell, i woulda been fucking arrested for bringing a clock to school too if it looked like that. It's a fucking bomb scare regardless. Probably woulda been arrested for bringing a toy gun to school too.
also, what the hell is he showing it to his english teacher for? and during the middle of class? if he wants his teachers' approval, after class so as to be non-disruptive. Also... he's trying to impress his teachers with a clock he took apart?
As I recall, he was arrested, not get a medal.
True, not a medal. It was just your regular CAIR "American Muslim of the Year" award. He received that on October 19, 2015, in between his visits to "the Butcher" and the President.
Undeserved praise as a way of atoning for undeserved punishment does not show that we are more enlightened. In fact, it exposes further ignorance on our part.
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
The family who gave Clock Boy a dinner invitation.
Does anyone know the Arabic for schadenfreude?
This.
Obama is an idiot.
But Sergey Brin?
This is some pathetic political bullshit.
This is not about it being an invention. This is about him doing something interesting for his age and at the very least he did some re soldering there and instead of getting a pat on the head from his teachers, they overreacted the police.
To be fair, if you were technically not-literate, then saw a suitcase with a bunch of wires and what looked like a timer in it...
I agree they overreacted, but when you build something that looks passingly like an IED, and then you take it to school, what the hell else can you expect?
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Unlike many countries in the Middle East and in Africa that celebrate the mutilation of genitals...
Merely a sign of the times we live in. Politicians cater to the press, and the press is only loosely based on reality. But mostly on what sounds like a good story to sell a point. Journalistic integrity is dead and the self titled historians have decided instead to become fantasy writers. In this case, the poor oppressed muslim boy genius image is a winner because it's something to throw into the face of "islamophobes" in a day of islamic terrorism and the islamic invasion of Europe. Look - not ALL muslims are bad! Poor little kid got oppressed by our nasty school system it's not his fault he's a genius.
And then the President (with abysmal ratings) decides to stick his oar in and see if he can salvage any credibility. But fools rush in where angels fear to tread. No one bothered to check to see if his "story" is actually true. Turns out it's not. But it DOESN'T MATTER because we'll just ignore the facts and bury any naysayers under a torrent of racism accusations. And if they don't shut up after that, we just have to direct our PC sheep towards them in the ultimate social DDOS attack. People love to hate and if you start pointing out facts you might just find yourself being the next Emmanuel Goldstein or worse, dragged before a court on hate-crime charges. Welcome to the Brave New World.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
Kid experiments with electronics. Local government wrongly detains him and accuses him of being a t'rrist. President demonstrates that's exactly how we're not supposed to act by inviting him to the White House instead of a jail cell.
As pointed out before: The kid 'invented' a bigotry-detector.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
That would make sense. Kid gets a fucking medal for a Radio Shack clock. Other asshole gets a medal for taking her meds and putting on a dress. Film at 11.
20,000 volts should be enough for anybody...
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He did get a pat on the head. From his engeneering teacher. Who further told him to put the thing in his locker because other teachers may over react not knowing what it was. And he ignored him and was playing with it and setting it off in his next class.
He'll probably marry into the Kardashian family in a few years.
Then western civilization is safe from him. The Kardashians destroy every guy they bring into their web. Maybe we should just send the Kardashians after ISIS...
can come back as a h1b and get jobs that USC can't get.
What's next charge him with terrorism for attempting to tamper with the space time continuum?
I made a cool paper airplane when I was 15 the damned thing flew forever, When I flew it in class I got detention not a White House invitation. STFU. Really. Interesting for his age? What the hell are you doing here on an alleged site for "nerds" and with a low UID? You never did anything "interesting" as a kid? Coding cool little .asm routines when everyone was fumbling with BASIC. Playing with a soldering iron, a breadboard and stuff your dad bought for you at Radio Shack? Play an instrument well and join a band? You did none of these? Then piss off. Nerd card revoked.
I fully expect the teachers to check it out, that's just being responsible I might even expect them to confiscate it for safety reasons (those transformer connections look a bit suspect to me) or based on the fact that he was disrupting class with it. What I don't expect, would be for them to take him out of school in handcuffs and then illegally question him without his parents present or for that matter, having the principal send a letter to all of the parents implying the kid was potentially dangerous.
None of the other people or nationalities you listed have books from God that tell them to kill nonbelievers ask a means to please their God.
That is the difference.
But, by all means, if you feel differently about it, you can travel to Syria and make nice with Isis.
I'm sure you're up to the task, after all, you're so fair minded and much better than the rest of us.
"Novel" way to detect Ebola? That should read "Nobel"; that discovery she did is awesome. Give that girl a meeting with Obama!
Oh wait, she's white...
Too many Arabs living there.
Actually it was a Radio Shack clock, not a Walmart clock.
Regardless of that.. this whole thing is now sounding like it was some sort of setup from the beginning, a publicity stunt, intended to make the U.S. look bad to the rest of the world -- even worse than we already look, that is.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Whoopee doo.
There IS NO HUMAN RIGHT to be liked or accepted.
Anybody (Muslims) who moves to a country, then demands to be liked and accepted because they're brown, or because to do otherwise would be "waciss" is living in cloud cuckoo land.
This family of crooks has 'previous' for being chancers, opportunists and Islamist activists. Good riddance. Hope the door doesn't hit them in the ass on the way out.
Kid gets a scholarship, Slashdot commenters piss themselves in fury.
Just another Wednesday.
You are welcome on my lawn.
also, what the hell is he showing it to his english teacher for? and during the middle of class? if he wants his teachers' approval, after class so as to be non-disruptive. Also... he's trying to impress his teachers with a clock he took apart?
Look, it's a school kid. If you look him up on Wikipedia, previous teachers are cited for explaining that he likes to hack electronics and bring them along to show.
According to Wikipedia, the English teacher didn't freak out, but thought that it looked like a bomb, so the school decided to crack down on him for making a "hoax bomb" which is apparently a legal term in Texas.
Love America, but it appears that if you are black or muslim, odds are stacked against you. If I got sodomized before every air flight or feared for my life during every interaction with cops, I would certainly get the hell out of here. All the attention after the fact is nice, but his parents got to wonder if there son could have as easily been killed by a cop for his homemade clock. Is it too much of a stretch if they shot a 12 year old sitting on a swing with a toy gun?
Re:If I was a Muslim in US, I would also move
If you were a Muslim we'd want you to
When I was that boy's age, we plugged in "unsecured components and wires" as part of our classroom instruction, and about a third of us got shocked at one point or another. Mr. Otto used to laugh and say "the burned finger teaches best" because he wanted us to learn basic safe behavior before we got to the part of the class where we blew up capacitors (wearing safety glasses of course).
But that was when the USA was still trying to be the Home of the Brave, and wasn't yet the Home of the Cowardly Helicopter Parents.
My son got his first 120VAC shock when he was about ten years old. I've had hundreds; frankly, they are usually less painful than a mosquito bite. 240 hurts like a bitch, though.
I built a digital alarm clock out of 555 timers and LED 7-segment displays back when I was in high school. Where's my criminal recor... oh wait.
Probably, but in the 70s and 80s stuff like this was kinda downplayed in school. Most of us were regularly getting our asses beat from the football team for being who we are, so flaunting it wasn't a priority.
You might want to switch to decaf.
14 year old kids that actually invent things exist
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He seriously went to Google and was praised? That's very sad. I already knew Obama is a pandering idiot (he has a growing history of making a fool of himself by speaking without the facts), but I thought better of Google.
Yep.... I hate to say it, but I think a LOT of us just got fooled on this one, at least initially. As techie "geeks", we *wanted* to believe this was all about a young, brilliant kid getting held back by "the system".
I'm a geek, and nothing about how I reacted to the first story has changed. It doesn't matter at all if he built the clock from scratch, from parts or just took one apart. This is a kid, taking a clock apart is fun, it should be encouraged. Showing up with clock parts in a pencil case and immediately show it to your teacher and tell exactly what it is should not in any civilized country lead to a 14 year old being handcuffed and questioned while denied access to parents.
The fear Americans let overrule the freedoms you used to have seems very disproportionate to the actual threat.
No, no - that's much too obvious. Do bombers really use suitcases nowadays? That's just so 20th century...
Instead, if he really wanted to get attention, he would have disguised his clock as a clock. That way, they would think it was a bomb disguised as a clock. Now that would get attention.
Oh sorry, wrong thread.
You *should* get the medal if you put them back together in working order ;-)
Watch, all of these comments are soon to appear in Mary Sue and related sites proclaiming slashdot a center of misogyny and racism.
There are certain things you don't do....If you're muslim, you don't bring anything to school that can be mistaken for a bomb... if you're anybody you don't bring anything to school that can be mistaken for a bomb really, but especially if you're muslim.
it shouldn't matter yada yada yada, but it does.
Thank you for your recipe for how to ensure that systemic prejudices remain in place, that the world never changes for the better.
To be blunt, this is the same attitude a bunch of white people had in the 1950s and 1960s when they said, "If you're black, you don't vote. You don't sit in the front of the bus. You don't eat at lunch counters. It shouldn't matter yada yada yada, but it does."
Is Ahmed some sort of boy genius? Eh, I doubt it, but the simple fact is that NO ONE, Muslim or otherwise, should have to just sit back and tolerate endemic racism. And if it were my kid that you were telling that that's just "the world we live in," well, you and I would have a problem. Maybe you were a liberal, but if you think that this is okay, that it's Ahmed who should have to change, then it is most emphatically not the left that's moving away from you.
I'm just glad they're gone. Let him 'be different' in Qatar.
Not saying you're right, not saying you're wrong but can you please cite some references? I did a (quick) Google and didn't find anything untoward.
Yes, it's not a proper invention but he's just a normal boy, taking things apart. From reading some posts here, you'd think he'd lied about having cured cancer and then been humiliatingly debunked.
--- "We've always been at war with Eastasia."
This is a good lesson in why stereotypes are dumb. Have you forgotten about the Oklahoma bombing already? The most casualties in a bombing on US soil was a white guy. Or how about the bombs the Columbine attackers brought in when they shot up their school? Again white kids.
New Jersey, thank you.
Yours, ISIS
Yes we must stop insulting the muzzies. We can offend them by protecting other kids in class from something which could be dangerous, searching suspicious travelers, having Jewish supermarkets, drawing pictures they don't like, claiming that beating women is wrong, giving equal rights to homosexuals. We really must stop it all.
Actually... it was a Micronta alarm clock (a Radio Shack subsidiary) Catalog number 63-765. If you want an in-depth breakdown, have a look at
http://blogs.artvoice.com/tech...
and there is additional info in the comments. Anyone who believes this kids story is either an idiot or is highly gullible. I took electronics classes in high school and if I had tried to pass this off as being built by me I would have been laughed out of the class with an F for cheating. Good riddance and don't come back to the entire family, and anyone who congratulated this idiot should be fired and deported for being stupid. The only award this kid should get is an ISIS award.
When I was growing up in the 1970's, we were building bombs and blowing crap up. Which for many was an introduction to chemistry. These days you can't even buy a chemistry set without someone worrying about Little Ahmed making a bomb to go along with the clock.
None of the other people or nationalities you listed have books from God that tell them to kill nonbelievers ask a means to please their God.
That is the difference.
But, by all means, if you feel differently about it, you can travel to Syria and make nice with Isis.
I'm sure you're up to the task, after all, you're so fair minded and much better than the rest of us.
Huh? What comment are you replying to? What makes you think I am asking for fairness or being nice to terrorists. On the contrary that is my entire point -- the GP I was replying to was saying that this kid's supposed isolation as a result of the incident is the most effective way to make him into a terrorist. I am pointing out that isolation doesn't make someone into a terrorist. There are millions upon millions of people leading "lives of quiet desperation" every day and they don't become terrorists, and it is ridiculous to support anything remotely resembling any kind of understandable rational path to murdering people and blowing things up for a political/religious ideology. If feeling a bit isolated leads you to bombing civilians, then you were already a terrorist in your heart, and the isolation was just a minor catalyst which would have inevitably happened in thousands of future social situations.
I don't see the relevance of your reply. If you are trying to make a point that belief in Islam makes terrorists, well that's your own thread, go for it.
Hollywood, Television, has become the dream machine. We need to take that back; each of us is a Dream Machine
If you're muslim, you don't bring anything to school that can be mistaken for a bomb...
And don't forget, if you're a girl, you don't wear provocative clothing that invites rape.
this is the world we live in.
This is the world we made!
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
So, no more clocks. Some guy in a tower tells you what time it is.
Have gnu, will travel.
Let's ignore the truth and just call people racist. Ah, that feels much better.
Nothing new in the last 5 years or so. Have you been in a cave since the mid 2000s?
So apparently in your world, calling someone a "half-nigger piece of shit" isn't racist? You must be a Donald Trump supporter.
It's not a clock. It's an islamophobe detector, and it works perfectly.
He took his family into exile in the US, probably got bored, and is taking them back to a more compatible Muslim country.
I think the clock thing was initially an independent event. But Dad leveraged it to meet some Muslim leaders and get a new home.
... but you'd better hurry up, the political landscape will most likely change in the next 18 months.
How so? The US will still be run by the ultra-rich, privileged upper-class aided by their well-fed lackeys, the lobbying companies. Oh, you mean the puppets office will be different? Doesn't really count.
He had the clock on display for 6 classes, and only on that last one did the teacher say she was uncomfortable with him having something that looked a lot like a home-built bomb (to a non-expert) and to put it away. He refused.
This was pure trolling for attention, not some poor kid oppressed by the System.
After all, if you can't randomly assault your classmates then what is High School for?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Emannuel Goldstein, the guy edited 2600?
Are you saying that because I am white and male, I can bring a bomb looking device in to school and not be bothered? If I'm white and I run from the cops they won't stop me? If I'm in shape and walk down the streets of San Fran, I won't get cat called?(Youtube it, it happens.) How about that Australian guy that wanted to go for a run? Certainly the endemic racism he faced at the end of the gun is important, right?
You're not liberal by saying, "Someone shouldn't have to change their behavior to not be arrested for bringing in a bomb-lookalike in a post 9/11 society."
You're blind.
I'm a geek that has been in 2 schools for 2 different bomb scares. If that kid had taken out that device in any class I was in I would probably tackle him. As would most people he care about their lives and like to live.
Wouldn't the real american way be to just shoot him, to be sure? I mean, people can't expect to play with DIY electronics without consequences.
Time to pray. For what? Lord knows.
And maybe dirty old "Uncle" Joe Biden will show up for a pecker-pulling party.
He had the clock on display for 6 classes, and only on that last one did the teacher say she was uncomfortable with him having something that looked a lot like a home-built bomb (to a non-expert) and to put it away. He refused.
This was pure trolling for attention, not some poor kid oppressed by the System.
And in the land that used to value freedoms and civil rights, it is now ok to have police handcuff and question 14-year olds while denying them access to parents, because a kid is refusing to put away a gadget in class when asked? Really?
He had the thing beep on purpose during english lesson. That is: he discreetly took it out of his bag during the lesson, opened it, plugged the adapter to a power outlet, and set it to beep. Then he was purposely evasive in his answers to the english teacher.
The whole event was plain race-baiting.
Maybe we deserve this world ?
that the racist conspiracy nuts have the mod points today.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
The kid 'invented' a bigotry-detector.
If I'd brought something like that to school, I would have been arrested too. But it wouldn't have made the news because I'm white.
Bigotry? How about political correctness.
"Merely a sign of the times we live in. Politicians cater to the press, and the press is only loosely based on reality. But mostly on what sounds like a good story to sell a point."
And, Presto! RealityTheatre manifests itself according to predetermined narratives!
Great parent post.
over-react? It was a deliberate bomb threat. Let's not make any mistakes. The kid was an epic troll. The police reacted appropriately by arresting him for making a bomb threat. He and his parents should have been in front of a juvie judge.
On top of that, he was illegally questioned by the police since his parents were not allowed to be present even after he asked for them. .
No perfectly legal, as in "exigent circumstances", google it.
you mean there are still Radio Shacks that are more than glorified cell phone kiosks?
I recall that Fox called this whole thing out as a hoax from day one. Which was right about the time that the rest of the national media was drooling over this supposed boy genius.
It just goes to show that politics has invaded every segment of society. The folks at Google don't think this kid is a genius any more than I do. But it was promoted for political reasons. Same with Obama. It advances their agenda to push for more H1-B visas. It also advances various "diversity" agendas. Too bad it wasn't a little girl - could have pushed that agenda too.
So as usual when the national media gets the story wrong there is not retraction. There is no follow up. It's just on to the next story. This is pretty much why I have given up on CNN and CBS and NBC, etc. Every story is twisted to advance some sort of political agenda. Now some might say that Fox does the same thing, and they do, but at least Fox will correct the story if they make a mistake.
Oh yeah, good riddance you little prick. Hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes of fame.
It doesn't matter. Children who experiment with obviously harmless electronics should not be arrested and imprisoned, regardless of what you think their parents told them to do.
IIRC, wasn't there also supposedly some weird stuff about his dad being some sort of famewhore type too? I seem to remember the implication that his dad might have egged the whole controversy on for publicity.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
The 'invention' was sophmoric at best(but, kiddo was a freshman who at least apparently cared about what his engineering teacher thinks, so there is at least room for cautious optimism about actually interesting future projects); but the support, while not merited by the 'invention' was arguably a valuable pushback against the mixture of idiot reflexive terror of circuit boards and shitkicking petty authoritarianism that he received.
The point isn't "Wow, kid took apart a clock, how amazing, we should celebrate!!!"; but "When somebody does something other than text messaging with a gadget, we should encourage them to pursue even more interesting projects in the future; not pretend that exposed FR4 is somehow a WMD." Patting kiddo on the back just happened to be the most efficient way of telling the school district that they'd made themselves look like total morons in front of everyone.
The president's approval rating is 51% which is fantastic for a president in his 7th year.
Sounds like someone is afflicted with Obama derangement syndrome.
Emannuel Goldstein, the guy edited 2600?
No.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
way to go..
We fucked up, this kid and his family are bent(rightfuly so) so they are politely telling us to go fornicate ourselves.
There ya go society,,
Bye bye, Clockmed!
The irony in your post is so painful.
From the more in depth descriptions of the incident I read, the kid had cooked up a pretend bomb and put it in an attache to make it look scarier. But when a teacher didn't think his little joke was so funny, it suddenly became a clock he "built" . I saw a close up of his little invention and I was impressed - he actually made a mass produced printed circuit board ! I wonder if somebody tipped El Presidente off to what the punk had actually done and that was the reason for the "cold shoulder"? (Obama could not have withdrawn the invitation without looking looking like a fool)
On top of that, he was illegally questioned by the police since his parents were not allowed to be present even after he asked for them. .
No perfectly legal, as in "exigent circumstances", google it.
How can you have "exigent circumstances" after the device was determined not to be a bomb?
I mean, the arrest was still an overreaction, and I'm still willing to attribute some of that to racism/profiling. That's still an issue, regardless of the kid not being a genius and his parents being attention whores.
Flamebait? Some moderator either has no sense of humor or really likes playing MTG in mom's basement.
Seriously... doesn't media have something better to talk about...
When did being a Muslim become a race? How is this racism? White, black, brown people all over the world practice Islam, does that mean they all check the "Muslim" block under race?
You're an idiot(Muslim is a race), /rant
this kids an idiot(wanna show your teacher how awesome you are? Go ahead, but when you're done showing off put your toy in your locker / backpack and leave it till the end of the day, unless you're trying to scare/troll/show off)
, his parents are idiots (didn't work with the sister, try again with the brother)
and the school / police are idiots. (Think its a bomb? Evacuate the school, call bomb techs. Don't think its a bomb? Don't cuff the kid and interrogate him without a parent present.)
Maybe 'shamaatah'?
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You're right, because racism was eliminated when Obama was elected President so this can't possibly be true.
But, but, you see, he had a history of disrupting classes and therefore the school's Zero Tolerance policy needed to be applied. We need to trust the school's judgement on this, we don't have the complete story.
Wait, my bad, that was the Left's excuse for why a school was completely in the right for suspending a kindergartner for making a gun shape with his hand. Gee, I wonder what was different in that case? (Hint: the kindergartner wasn't black.)
not pretend that exposed FR4 is somehow a WMD.
It was probably cheap phenolic. Shitty consumer electronics doesn't come on fibreglass. The 'smarts' of the clock are probably under an epoxy bubble and the circuit board single sided, without plated holes.
So there wasn't even much of a learning opportunity for the kid in taking it apart.
Thank you for your recipe for how to ensure that systemic prejudices remain in place, that the world never changes for the better.
Fact 1: A whole lot of folks of the same religious persuasion have been busy across the globe building bombs and setting them off, usually in places where a lot of innocent people gather. They have been doing this for decades now, with no indication of stopping.
Fact 2: More than a handful of attempts have been made along similar lines in the US by people of the same persuasion. See also the Boston Marathon for a somewhat famous example.
Fact 3: Kid brings something into school that looks (to a non-military/non-techie) a whole lot like a bomb at first glance, complete with a clock... then the alarm in it goes off during class.
Given this, I think it'd be extremely hard to not revert to stereotype, especially when the price for failing to correctly identify and evacuate from an actual bomb is, well, instant death and mutilation.
Quite frankly, I'm surprised that the other teachers showed the restraint that they did. And while certainly, we'd all just love to override survival instinct with empathy and kindness, for some odd reason, we're hardwired a bit differently.
In my opinion, if folks are so sufficiently eager to be shed of a particular stereotype that applies to their particular grouping, it would probably be smarter to not try and antagonize it with a stunt like this.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Research the background of the kid's parents and you'll start to see what I mean.
IMO, this was all part of a preconceived plan to scare people at school by bringing in a suspicious-looking device and then cry discrimination when called out on it.
You're assuming a lot.
The Daddy casts sleep on the Baby. The Baby resists!
cry discrimination
So this little troll is as red-white-and-blue American as Balloon Boy. Got it.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
As pointed out before: The kid 'invented' a bigotry-detector.
Yes, though I really don't think it was ethnic bigotry. A socially awkward white boy would probably have received the same treatment, due to hysteria over school violence and whatnot.
The Daddy casts sleep on the Baby. The Baby resists!
I like how the media never followed up and reported this attention-whoring clown and his father for who they really are or the fact that their beloved president is such a tool for jumping on the bandwagon.
As pointed out before: The kid 'invented' a bigotry-detector.
It would seem the kid's dad hacked our bigotry-detectors.
I took apart 2-3 clocks growing up. Where's my medal?
When I was in fifth grade, I took apart a carburetor *and* put it pack together! Where's my medal?
Okay... There were a few really, small parts left over after putting it back together, but that was also a great lesson to pay attention when taking something apart and be organized when laying things out.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
anyway, this whole thing has always struck me as a publicity stunt. There are certain things you don't do. I don't want to get robbed, I don't go walking certain places in certain cities. If you're muslim, you don't bring anything to school that can be mistaken for a bomb... if you're anybody you don't bring anything to school that can be mistaken for a bomb really, but especially if you're muslim.
I'm afraid if this was a publicity stunt, and the stunt was to show systemic discrimination and poor treatment of muslims, this was the right stunt to pull and the right way to do it. You can and should expect to be properly treated by the government, law enforcement and civilized society. Assuming a kid is carrying a bomb is a bad assumption, if he wanted to blow you up, he would have.
Now if he was going to complain that some rednecks beat him up/killed him, etc. for this stunt, I'd have somewhat less sympathy. If you go poking at morons with a stick, you probably are going to get wrecked and I can't say I have a boatload of sympathy.
The immediate parallel is the woman in "slutty clothes" crying rape. She should expect, under the law, equal treatment as anyone suffering a violent assault, and expect that everything will be done to catch and prosecute the perpetrators. She should also expect not to be raped, even if she was entirely naked, and that civilized society would let her be. If she deliberately exercised poor judgement in an effort to prove our system is broken, while I question whether this was the best means to do it, it's probably the right kind of stunt to highlight a systemic failure to address rape.
If she was trying to prove that people in a rough neighborhood can't be relied upon to avoid raping her, and/or that the police are unable to keep the violent element of a rough neighborhood suppressed...absolutely no sympathy, that's the definition of a violent neighborhood, and they exist in every city all over the world, and sometimes you have to exercise sound judgement about where you go and how you go there.
Big data operations like Google are part of the reason Obama was even elected. He had the engines of Big Data churning for his benefit throughout both elections. Especially for the first election.
There are a lot of talented people working at Google, but the founders got there by being first, and finding the right advertising syndicates to sponsor them.
And now he'll be a tool of rich, anti-Western Islamists.
Stereotypes might be not based on reality, but they make reality. Oklahoma city was the cause of more civilian deaths than all other mass shootings in the US combined (up until recently when the definition of "mass shooting" changed to include as many incidents as possible, going beyond absurd for some journalists with the idea that any shooting in public is a mass shooting). Yet the stereotype that we constantly have mass shootings have everybody frothing at the mouth craving more and more gun control when a bag of fertilizer from the local home improvement store is far more dangerous.
Like it or not stereotypes become reality. People become what they are treated. Look at what is happening in the middle east. We treated them all like terrorists when only a handful truly were. Now we have ISIS.
unbiased is going to be hard to find.
Picture of "clock"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/us-usa-texas-student-idUSKCN0RM0BU20150922
Boy's dad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Elhassan_Mohamed
My bias says the whole thing is a publicity stunt buy the parent.
Were you arrested and victimized by the police? Were your civil rights violated for something that was perfectly legal to do?
Stopped reading comments on other sites a long time ago, but the Slashdot moderation thing used to work mostly.
He's 14 years old FFS. I don't remember much of what I did or did not do at that age, but I am damn sure I wouldn't come off great from a trial by social media.
At least above average intelligence, socially awkward kid probably misuses the word 'invent'. Maybe he was a bit desperate for attention. Don't know, don't care. He got handcuffed out of his classroom, in every part of the world I have been to that is every level of messed up, and I wouldn't grudge him getting some time hanging out with people / institutions he looks up to. Maybe he wouldn't make this photo on merit: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qMS0...
So fucking what. He got handcuffed out of his classroom. If he gets to visit NASA and Google and Facebook, that's pretty commensurate compensation. What the kid needed was some off the radar time hanging out with tech / science folks, then back to (a different) school. Pre social media, that would be possible - it would make the papers, then fade away, people forget your name.
But now, we put a 14 year old's life under the type of scrutiny no one would survive unscathed. Some of the comments that I would love to annotate with 'HE'S FOURTEEN'.
Browsing at '2' now:
1) He is not a particularly bright kid and is being unduly celebrated.
He's not particularly bright and spends his time publically denouncing unduly celebrated 14 year olds on internet forums.
2) 20,000 volts should be enough for anybody
Joke about tasering a skinny non violent 14 year old kid. HAHA
3) Sorry, but you need to be part of a celebrated group, re-assemble your clock into something that some people say resembles an IED, and then have the school go apeshit and overreact to it.
I made a better clock when I was 14 and no one cared, so I'll piss all over this 14 year old.
4) So, they finally got their 15min of fame, and now let's just be happy to have them out of the country and back where they want to be in the first place.
The funniest thing about the 'us vs them' theme is the denial of reality. The family are Americans, they hold American passports, they are and remain American in the only way that counts.
5) IMO, this was all part of a preconceived plan to scare people at school by bringing in a suspicious-looking device and then cry discrimination when called out on it.
(4 Insightful) Sigh
6) Yep.... I hate to say it, but I think a LOT of us just got fooled on this one, at least initially. As techie geeks , we *wanted* to believe this was all about a young, brilliant kid getting held back by the system.
Usual predictable media cycle of build them up then tear them down. Actually I don't think any real tech geek was 'fooled' even before the clock tear downs etc. I saw a curious kid stuck in a crap system being treated abysmally by public taxpayer funded institutions. The fix was to get him into a better environment where he can make what he can of himself. Not this circus. If you got fooled, the fault is yours, don't put it on the kid.
7) If you're muslim, you don't bring anything to school that can be mistaken for a bomb
I had the privilege of being brought up in an environment where that wasn't much of a concern when I went to school. I want all 14 year olds to have that privilege.
And everyone goes on about 'muslim kid', when did we start stamping religion at birth? His muslim-ness didn't seem to be that big a part of his life before this whole business. Now we've given his dad an excuse to cut him off from the rest of the world, take him to Mecca, maybe enrol him in religious classes, move to a muslim country, all at a very impressionable age. If the kid turns into a bearded islamis
Who gives a shit if anybody ever said the word invention? This is such a huge distraction. So many people on slashdot are more concerned with the specific words you use than the actions you take.
It's not about whether he's a genius. It's about whether innocent and safe intellectual curiosity is being punished by society. When the president, and Google, etc. invite Ahmed over, they are trying to counter the signal from police and school which said that it was unacceptable.
he then proceeded to travel to the Sudan to meet the man responsible for the Darfur genocide. His bigotry detector must be one use only.
There's no irony here.
Being born of a certain racial background is something you can't help, and which also doesn't make you a piece of shit.
Being a Trump supporter is your own free choice and is also undeniably directly correlated to your political beliefs. You can argue that it's not correlated to the specific belief that it's okay to call children "half-nigger pieces of shit" for bringing a disassembled clock to school, but it's certainly not in the same ballpark.
46% according to gallup. But let's not argue minutiae, I guess it depends a lot on where you live.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
... but you'd better hurry up, the political landscape will most likely change in the next 18 months.
How so? The US will still be run by the ultra-rich, privileged upper-class aided by their well-fed lackeys, the lobbying companies. Oh, you mean the puppets office will be different? Doesn't really count.
To hazard a guess, I think he means most of us are getting fed up with the so-called social "justice" warriors who are continuously up in arms and having hissy fits over any perceived (though probably not real) slight. Yesterday provided a perfect example. Two guys on twitter made up a #boycottstarwarsvii hashtag, claiming the movie was racist against white people. Of course, SJWs went apoplectic with self-righteous indignation, and it even made CNN & The Daily Show, but it turns out it was all just a troll from the get-go. SJWs seem to go full retard every day.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
Kid got arrested for the Radio Shack clock. Why are you skipping that part? Nobody would have cared if he wasn't arrested.
Didn't Tesla say that? Or am I getting it confused with someone else?
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
I'm Joe Biden, and I approve this message. FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP!
I hope the next "clock" he builds...blows up in his face... ...preferably in the family living room...
I believe it was Edison that said that
There were a few really, small parts left over after putting it back together, but that was also a great lesson to pay attention when taking something apart and be organized when laying things out.
In motorcycle racing, this is called 'adding lightness'.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
The family isn't the one that turned this into a national story. The school and police did that.
Murica celebrates the mutilation of genitals too - as long as the victim is a male.
That's not what happened. It was away, but it accidentally beeped. Rather than asking him to silence it and put it away, or even give a minor punishment for the class disruption from the beeping, the teacher confiscated it, and called the cops (or maybe sent him to the principal and the principal called the cops; not sure).
There was one other class where the clock was taken out.
It was at no point on display.
You're not a real geek if you didn't have mysterious parts left over after reassembling it. Bonus points if it still worked perfectly even without the parts.
You're simplifying what happened, and thus changing the story. He showed it to his science teacher who thought it was cool. He then took it to English class, plugged it in and caused a distraction by having the alarm go off. When the non-technical english teacher saw it, he said it's just a clock. This version of the story sounds a whole more lot like he didn't get the attention he wanted from the first teacher, so intentionally created an incident with a second teacher who did not have the technical background to see there was no risk.
Sure, the arrest might have been an over-reaction. Maybe there was a racial component to the reactions, which is always unfortunate. Maybe it was all a series of poorly thought out decisions on the kid's and teacher's part. I wonder if we'll ever know for sure.
(Strangest part of it all? I still have the damned thing...)
Do you have a picture? That sounds really cool.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Everybody knew it wasn't a bomb. The evidence is clear: nobody evacuated, and the bomb squad wasn't called in.
Therefore, it did not look like a threat, and reactions as if it looked like a thread were incorrect.
Says the person who can't use the correct word 'by'.
If I'd brought something like that to school, I would have been arrested too.
You're acting like this is okay, and that the problem is that this made news.
It's racism if I dislike your skin. It's not racism if I dislike your religion who calls me a filthy infidel.
At this point, anything that proves that these SJW's are stupid is the best thing possible. So I salute those two guys who trolled SJW's and showed the entire world that they're nothing but hyper-emotional individuals that only do stuff because it "makes them feel good" while ignoring actual problems.
Om, nomnomnom...
Wow, you're so caught up in patting yourself on the back for being "progressive" that you completely ignore the facts that the whole incident was a scam. You're like religious person, but instead of believing in God, you believe in Clock Boy. You wrote up a fucking big ass page long post to defend a social media hustler. Why are you so invested in viral marketing Clock Boy? I think Texans are a bunch of fucking retards, and love to bash them as much as the next smug New Englander, but in this case it's not their fault some kid's activist dad had him bring a fake bomb to school to create a controversy. The only difference is you're still believing the scam long after it's been exposed.
So we're on Slashdot, the official Internet home of mom's basement losers and Magic The Gathering addicts.... in other words, hundreds of thousands of people for whom the first 25 years of their lives consisted of nothing but "[being made to ] feel like an isolated second class person". How many Slashdot users go blow up innocent people as a political ploy?
We do seem to have a problem in this country of individuals going apeshit and killing a lot of people, the problem is per capita greater than most other civilized countries. Of those with an equal or greater problem, a generalization can be made that they are culturally even less tolerate of deviations from the norm than we are. This proves nothing, it's just a data point.
If you are irrational, you blame our apeshit problem on guns. But, the gun nuts have a point that guns do not pull their own trigger, a human is behind them. So our problem is actually humans making the decision to try to mass murder. This is happening in significant and unusual quantities, so it's fair to say SOME aspect of our society is provoking this behavior, it's the only explanation that doesn't involve vast conspiracies and alien anus probes. While it would be nice from a scientific point of view to clearly identify the cause(s), and use that knowledge for all time, it seems reasonable in this case that one possible contributing factor might be social isolation due to arbitrary deviations from the norm (i.e. religion) and agree we're just not going to do that anymore because it is dumb to begin with. All problems will not be solved, but let's just not do it?
If kid has a bomb or even creates a fake and pitches it as a bomb, then we take any and all necessary actions to deal with the kid and protect the public. If the kid is insane, we need to take him out of circulation and treat him. If he's trying to pull a political stunt (and he might have been), then the best way to defuse this sort of "bomb" is to give him absolutely nothing to work with by simply being decent human beings. "Oh yeah, so you got a clock huh? Cool."
i was a liberal, i find myself shifting further along to the right nowadays, and the left has moved further left too.
What country do you live in? Obviously not the United States, unless you've substituted "Obama is an evil communist" for reality.
christians don't use bombs, they're way more into guns.
I vaguely recall there being some issues in Northern Ireland that might disagree with this.
I just grabbed the first link of many I found when googling "Clock Boy Sister".
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Agreed. Third-rate science; first-rate PR.
I took apart a clock when I was three years old. At one point it made a glorious 'pop' and a large gear took off and flew across the room.
I took apart many clocks that day, before my parents woke up but was never able to reproduce that flying gear trick.
That clock launched a long and successful career in engineering.
So the appropriate response to a kid with something that looks like a bomb is to ask him to "put it away", and only then if he refuses, call the cops and have him arrested?
It makes no sense that "put it away" is an appropriate response if they thought it actually might be a bomb. In this scenario, evacuating the whole school and calling the bomb squad might make more sense.
It makes no sense to cal the cops and have him arrested if they knew it was not a bomb.
Maybe the kid and his whole family are trolls. My question is why is this school so fucking dumb.
And I wonder if their christian friends in dallas will travel to that religiously diverse Qatar for togethers? And hopefully Ahmed does not decide to switch to christianity. Doing so in Qatar could be deadly.
I don't thinking anyone is suggesting that taking apart a clock is equivalent to an earning an EE degree.
If this kid is the caliber of minds they are looking for there isn't much to worry about. They'll be to busy soldering CPUs to do anything dangerous.
If he had put the parts in a paper bag, then it would have been a paper bag bomb.
Not just where you live but how educated you are. If you look at the demographics of the polls you will see that Obama's action would not have changed the poll numbers in the demographics where he is weak, in fact it would do the exact opposite. So I think your conclusion that he did it because of so called lagging poll numbers is false. Obama has overwhelmingly positive numbers with educated people. It's the uneducated crazy right wingers that bring the overall numbers down. I'm guess that's about 50% of the people who vote republican these days and 90% of Fox viewers.
You didn't get fooled you refused to read the articles Ignoring facts about the case it was all explained in the very first article. You guys swore up and down how the device was the innovative when it clearly was not innovative and it was clearly made to look like a bomb in a metal suitcase. I'm not buying we were fooled excuse.
Jack of all trades,master of none
People use voltage as a scare tactic, because the numbers are bigger. Even more frightening are "watts" if the number is bigger. Amperage is what kills you, not voltage.
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-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Another thing you shouldn't do is post this dumb as fuck post as anything but "anonymous coward", because then everyone will know you are dumb. So good job on that part.
I'm pretty sure that plenty of people on all sides of the political spectrum agree that school overreactions to this sort of crap is pretty bad. But the SCOTUS has pretty well ruled that kids in school have no rights. They can be strip searched for advil, detained for clock dissassembly, suspended for praying, and expelled for saying "bang!" My personal theory is that the school systems are just doing a super job of preparing kids for their future. I tell my kid this all the time: There's always going to be some idiot in a position of authority. You can either roll over and take it, pick your battles, or get detained by the TSA like daddy.
I have a typing impediment you insensitive clod!
Burned koran
I think the problem is that people think they know what IEDs look like because they watch the Jack Bauer show. IEDs are supposed to like like anything *but* IEDs. I expect people to recognize their own limitations. Just kidding, this is exactly what I expect.
And the other teachers turned out to be exactly as dumb as the engineering teacher predicted.
Do you think if he was a white kid he would have been invited to the White House? I think a little racist claptrap is appropriate in this case.
A socially awkward white boy would probably have received the same treatment
Maybe... but not an Asian kid....
That's not a geek, that's a Retard.
Extra parts do not exist; they're always there for a reason.
If you keep it long enough, you'll figure out why they were there, lol.
I had left over one large washer in a bike rebuild, only to find out far from home that it was to keep the pressed-in pins from falling out of the shifter drum/rachet assembly.
Stuck in 6th gear, off road, 20 miles from home; that's not a lesson you forget.
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If the other a-hole with the dress tried to go through the airport with something that looked like a bomb, they would not have been arrested? Why do you ignore logic and reason?
That's like a publicity stunt to make the pope look religious.
OK, so why didn't the teacher pull the alarm and evacuate the whole school? Dumb kids with shitty fathers have a good excuse for not acting appropriately.
He wasn't celebrated for being "bright," he was celebrated for being a nerd, and also being creative.
Try getting half the neckbeards around here to do something creative. They'd sooner walk outdoors in daylight when the SJWs are prowling the streets than actually try to make their project case look nice. If they showed enough artistic talent to stuff some electronics in a less-ugly box, their imaginary friend would start calling them a hippie.
So who is more stupid the teacher for over reacting(when his older sister was suspended for making bomb threats) or the kid for not doing as he was told and causing a commotion in the school.
Islamic terrorists kill more people in a week, than the IRA killed in 30 years. Let's not create false equivalencies.
Wow, your life must be pretty disappointing for you if it's important to take potshots at a kid who got arrested for no good reason.
And now he'll be a tool of rich, anti-Western Islamists.
US Immigration should fingerprint, "iris scan", and "DNA swab" the entire family as they leave the US.
You know, just in case one or more of them reappear on "the world stage" in a different role.
Just sayin.....
I thought both of his parents were middle eastern. Are you saying he's biracial?
I feel sad that this bright kid and his family have been convinced to move to Qatar. Unfortunately Texas and many of the southern US states have seen an increase in intolerance since 9/11. His family should have given a sincere thought to moving internally in US. Most of the Midwestern, East and West Coast would have been perfect. Sadly it seems that the decision was made on monetary grounds.
The immediate parallel is the woman in "slutty clothes" crying rape.
No, it's not. There is no way to make any such comparison, and in fact the SJW fantasy you are attempting to troll with has been proven wrong on so many occasions that it's not worth doing again.
A person of any race or religion bringing to school something that looks like a bomb, which starts beeping in the middle of class drawing attention to both the student handling it and the device itself (which does not resemble a clock) would be treated the same way. If you do not know what the device looks like you have no place to express an opinion. If you do know what it looks like, as many technical people and experts have stated, the device does not appear to be a clock. In fact it does not appear to be an "invention" but rather appears to be crap cobbled together and appearing to be an explosive device.
If you have any doubts about my claim that race and religion makes no difference with this issue, make some model propane tanks and put some fake timers on them and take them for a walk down the street. I don't care what skin color you are or who's religious garb you are displaying, people are going to detain you until they can prove that the devices are in fact fake. After which, you would be jailed for terrorism. None of this will be a kind polite experience, nor should it be.
Do yourself a favor and actually study the material you are spouting an opinion about. SJWs are almost always anti-justice and are surely not warriors. They are generally "useful idiots" manipulated by social engineers.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Wow, Ahmed called you a filthy infidel? Sorry, I wasn't aware that you knew him personally and he had such animosity towards you personally.
"He's 14 years old FFS. I don't remember much of what I did or did not do at that age, but I am damn sure I wouldn't come off great from a trial by social media."
Nonsense. At 14, I remember clearly what I was interested in, and I *guarantee* you it wasn't a fucking clock.
I was into model rocketry. I built the rockets myself from the designer's kit. I was into computers, I programmed my VIC-20 and I built my own RAM expansion. I was into electronics, I built many projects like xenon strobe lights, color organs, etc.
I didn't take apart a radio alarm clock and put it in a case. Come on. This isn't hacking, making, or anything of the sort.
Here's a present-day 14 year old that reminds me of myself years ago.
https://entangledwaves.wordpress.com/
Still impressed by a media-whore 14 year old that just happened to be wearing a NASA t-shirt that day?
Horseshit.
i woulda locked him up for trying to incite a damn bomb scare.
at what point do we say, hey, that's looks enough like a bomb to make it a problem for someone, of any color, to bring in?
maybe if he had used some play-doh to hold all the components together?
1. Islam is NOT a "race" an opposition to it is not "racism". Islam is an ideology; it's a combination of a religion and a system of government complete with its own laws which it insists it has a right to apply to non-Muslims. This is VERY unlike, for example, Catholic church law, which only governs things within the that church and is completely different from the idea of religious people (of any faith) simply voting for or against civil law and politicians according to their beliefs, which some who have never experience Islam often attack as "imposition" (they'd be stunned by ACTUAL imposition of a total alternate religious legal system).
2. There were almost no Muslims in the United States before 1960; they were a statistical anomaly. There is, therefore, no deep-seated Islamic tradition in the US and the vast majority here are recent arrivals many of who hate the place and want to convert it into the sort of hell hole that every other society run by Muslims is. Anybody who want to live in such a place has many wonderful options like Iran, Iraq, Syria, Qatar, Kuwait, Egypt, Libya, etc. People who love the Constitution of the US have only one choice of where to live: The USA
There is NO peaceful coexistence with Islam - Mohammed preached against it. Mohammed taught his followers to live peacefully with the "infidels" while a minority in their non-Muslim lands (while lying (an actual teaching) to them to lull them into complacency and working to increase Muslim numbers), to work to convert lands to Islam if the numbers of Muslims there were large enough, and to dominate and oppress all others if the Muslims were in the Majority. Violent Jihad is not the only Jihad, it's the Jihad you use when the other options are not working. That religion was founded by a warrior bent on conquering; it's VERY different from all other well-known religions. One could as easily co-exist with a colony of cannibals or a county of NAZIs - co-existence only works when all parties have the goal of getting along peacefully, which Mohammed explicitly taught against.
Probably because one or two people working for the school are paranoid ninnies, and once they acted everything after that was just a serious of consequences from independent people who had imperfect information being forced to make assumptions and "do their job" lest they be reprimanded.
Much like what happened to Star Simpson when a ticket agent at the Boston Airport acted as one would expect a stolid paranoid ninny to act, and called in a bomb threat because the girl decorated her sweater with flashing lights.
Bombs always have flashing lights. Don't you watch movies?
Are those the countries you want the US compared to?
What irony? 1 The GP did use the words "half-nigger" which is incredibly racist. 2 how does assuming he is a donald trump supporter make the statement ironic?
What I'm saying is that it seems a bit extreme to pick up and move out of the country over this. They've received much public support in the press, from the White House, from POTUS himself, etc. At the very least there is more to the story than what we all know at this point, and what's hidden is what's making me feel like this was some sort of pre-planned set-up. Have they received death threats, or been directly threatened? I think there's much we don't know and may not know for weeks or months from now.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
So I have a poor opinion of Obama and a medical degree. How does that fit your "uneducated right winger" demographic?
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It didn't, because that's not what happened. He showed it to his science teacher, who told him not to show it to anyone else, and then showed his English teacher and refused to tell her what it was, at which point she notified the authorities.
How did they overreact? Look the kid brought it out in several classes and was told by each teacher to put it away. Then he plugs it in, sets the alarm off in frigging english class and then refuses to answer questions about the obvious bomb facsimile. Then the school calls the police, not because anyone thinks its a bomb but because even a bomb facsimile is illegal and he was clearly trying to start a panic.
The outrage comes from everyone smart enough to realize that in today's world he could have "invented" a working clock himself with hobby electronics and 5 minutes of research on the internet. He could have actually demonstrated that he could take general electronic parts and assemble them / code them to work as a clock and learn something. However this kid took a commercially produced clock, took it out of its case, put it in a pencil case and called it his own. Anywhere else this would be called fraud.
According to Irving police, Ahmed's case contained a digital clock that the student had taken apart and rearranged. Police said the student had the briefcase in his English class, where he plugged it into an electrical outlet and it started to make noise.
Ahmed said his English teacher confiscated his case. A few hours later, the student said the school's principal and resource officer pulled him out of class. Police confiscated the case along with Ahmed's tablet computer.
Why the heck was the kid playing with his clock, plugging it into a wall during english class. He either was bored with a short attention span, or was looking for attention, since he already showed it to his science teacher.
Bring back the old version of slashdot.
Kids are stupid by default. That's why we don't let them sign contracts or vote. I really don't know who is more stupid. All I know is that one of those 2 people is an adult and should know better.
meh these are the kinds of people who would probably like to give the palestinians a hug in east jerusalem right now, and would wonder why they were getting stabbed in the face.
The muslim world goes, indiscriminately crazy... all the time.
Except for the food, religion & clothes, are Texas & Qatar that much different?
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
I took apart 2-3 clocks growing up. Where's my medal?
Did you put clocks back together with no extra parts left? I know I did... sometimes.
I stuck a fork in a wall socket growing up. Where's my medal?
You might want to put the SJW support party on hold for a bit and get some facts.
1. The kid's dad turned out to be a Muslim Brotherhood/CAIR freak who has run for president in an African Muslim nation and is still involved in politics there. i.e. the family has no intentions of becoming Americans.
2. The kid was photographed posing arm-in-arm with a friend of his dad, the war criminal leader of Sudan who is wanted by international courts for actual genocide (not the fake sort that Muslims often accuse any non Muslims of when they resist Muslim incursions). That Sudanese leader the boy embraced (well-known to him via his dad) personally beheaded children in front of their moms, among other things.
3. Clock Boy took is movie-prop-bomb "invention" to school and was told by one teacher that it was cool (NOT a nasty or paranoid reaction, but the very sort everybody supporting him claims would be ideal) but that he ought not to show it around to other people because it looked like a bomb. He then proceeded to do so, having been told others would mistake it for a bomb. There is NO WAY his intent was good.
4. The kid's sister had previously tried to stage a "see! they hate Muslims!" sort of scam event.
5. When the cops understood the situation, they went to remove the handcuffs (often initially put on ANY detainee for the safety of EVERYBODY until a confused situation can be sorted out) but the kid's sister asked the cops to leave the cuffs on him so she could take the now famous photo (i.e. his "suffering" and "oppression" was staged)
6. Immediately after the event, a bunch of men from CAIR showed-up at that school with prayer rugs and started mooning God on the lawn of the school... almost as though it was a set-up for publicity...
7. When's the last time Obama backed away from publicly embracing a Muslim???? He even celebrates and hosts Muslim holidays at the white house. His cold-shoulder handling of this tells you he has learned more than you about this kid and his family.
at what point do we say, hey, that's looks enough like a bomb to make it a problem for someone, of any color, to bring in?
Maybe when people have a fucking clue of what a bomb actually looks like.
Should you call the cops if you see a a gang fight? Yes. Should you call the cops if you can't tell the difference between a real gang fight and a stage production of west side story? Probably not.
I don't expect people to know what bombs look like. They aren't like guns where they all kind of look the same. But I also don't expect people to think they know what bombs look like.
I also expect people, if they are truly going to make the call and proceed as if some unknown thing is a potential bomb, to actually try to evacuate other people rather than simply get the "bombmaker" in legal trouble.
Apparently, as the individual bringing the 'questionable' item in, you can expect to be victim-shaming instead of the people that overreacted taking ownership of the mistake they made. And even when the people overreacting had it pointed out that they overreacted, an apology is simply too far for them to go. That's what you can expect.
NASA gave the kid a T-shirt and a tour of their facilities, thereby fulfilling NASA administrator Charlie Bolden's statement that the main job of NASA under Obama was Muslim outreach (Lookup "Charlie Bolden on Al Jazeera" on YouTube if you want to be stunned at the collapse of your government).
It was not about undeserved praise for Ahmed.
It was well-deserved embarrassment and public humiliation for the ignorant and vindictive school officials and police department.
"I had three minutes to spare once I demonstrated it's functionality "
I would have beaten you on the spot for not knowing that it's means it is.
yes, it was a white guy, but they tend to prefer guns nowadays.
columbine was a tragedy, but again, they seemed to really like guns, the bombs didn't actually kill anyone.
meanwhile, for the arab world, it's like a fucking go-to tactic. The second intifada had something like a hundred or so suicide bombings alone.
no other religion glorifies jihad in quite the same way.
so yay, I associate the western world with imperialist pig-dogs, and i associate the mid east with bombs and oil.
He didn't "show it to his teacher". He let the alarm go off unannounced in his English class, and then refused to explain to anyone what the fuck it was. Then he finally got what he wanted when the cops came and detained him until he explain what it was. Then he was released.
You must really suck at Googling if you can't find any articles talking about how is father has ties to the Council For Islamic Relations, and has been involved in publicity stunts in the past (including running for president of Sudan).
ClockBoy's father is a pot-stirring Islamophobia-baiting ass-wipe. ClockBoy's uncle has a trucking company called "Twin Towers Transportation". Wish we had a deportation system that actually worked... The whole lot of them should be escorted out of the country... followed by anyone else who listens to radical imam's preaching death the 85% of the population that falls under the category of "infidel".
Eh, I doubt it, but the simple fact is that NO ONE, Muslim or otherwise, should have to just sit back and tolerate endemic racism.
Would you clarify this point a bit, what race are Muslims?
Man blir trött av att gå och göra ingenting.
You can't fight racism with more racism. Just look at what certain radical left 'progressives' envision to see how that'd work out.
Just askin'.
there he will meet people that will teach him how to build the rest of the body bomb..
:) actually forgot about the IRA, apologies on that one, still, they weren't so much on the suicide bombing, which is always more troubling i think. Also, they liked guns too.
nah, in the good ole' USA, obama isn't a commie, but the people on his left wing have moved further left it feels. This whole "micro aggression" trend is particularly troubling to me. I see self-censorship on the left, due to fear of not passing literally everybody's individual personal litmus test, and i think, Yeah, this isn't what liberal means.
voted for obama twice, but the republicans will get me if they can toss up literally any candidate other than trump.
It wasn't even a particularly stealthy troll. I recall one post going something like 'Do you want your daughter to marry a black stormtrooper?'
The US will still be run by the ultra-rich, privileged upper-class aided by their well-fed lackeys, the lobbying companies.
Only because ~300 million US peasants let them.
You can't reasonably take a population say 90% cultureA and 2% cultureE and then claim that because cultureA constitutes 60% violent incidents that cultureE is being stereotyped unfairly for being involved in 30% of incidents.
...He took apart a clock. While we should celebrate kids taking apart clocks, we shouldn't call it an invention.
Gee, I wonder where the fuck we ever got THAT idea from...as we happily label social media narcissists "celebrities", and pay them six-figure salaries when they command the attention of enough click-happy iTards.
And stupid kids dont learn unless taught. A slap on the wrist and "dont do it again" does not teach any highschool kid.
That's a bizarre characterisation of the situation. The school called the police because of paranoia over Islamic terrorism. Nothing about "celebrated groups", whatever they are.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
He wasn't accused of being a "t'rrist" he was accused of intentionally contructing a fake bomb in order to troll the school. At no point did the administration or the police think it was a bomb. GIven that his sister was suspected of previously making fake bomb threats and his father a well known activist who has participated in the past in stunts designed to garner publicity I'd say their response was measured and thought out and possibly correct depending on the kid and his family's true motivations.
No, you're thinking of Bill Gates's supposedly apocryphal "640k should be enough for anyone" quote.
When it looks like an IED, yes! Columbine, anyone?
Here you go:
The Surprising Backstory Behind #IStandWithAhmed’s 2-Time Sudanese Presidential Candidate Father
What’s the Story with Ahmed Mohamed and his Ridiculous Briefcase “Clock”? The Answer Lies with his Father
The sister of the boy who brought a suspected hoax-bomb to his Texas high school said she was suspended from a school in a prior bomb scare.
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So he takes the guts of a 1970's clock sticks it in a pencil case, then gets treated poorly by a school (that was probably required to handle it that way) and he gets front and center before those that actually did something worth acknowledging.
Glad he is gone to Qatar, let him see how he likes the second most conservative Islamic regime.
And he also gets to find out what "peaked early" means, I doubt this kid will fair well.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
In a country where school shootings happen almost weekly, yes. No matter how desperately you want to believe that the evil racist Texans were just out to get a kid genius because of his race, nothing in reality supports that notion.
So "disrupting class" should be something to call the cops for? This is a waste of taxpayer money. The school should punish the kid for disrupting class, and the school should be in trouble for frivolously calling the cops and wasting their time. It is not the job of police to discipline misbehaving kids. That's the school's job.
The US will still be run by the ultra-rich, privileged upper-class aided by their well-fed lackeys, the lobbying companies.
Only because ~300 million US citizens let them.
Yeah, I think he did intentionally make it look like a possible bomb. He probably thought is looked cool. I think the prank went further than he wanted/expected, and then he did the best thing he could: he denied it. If he had confessed, then he would have been charged with "making terroristic threats" or "terroristic activity". That would be an open opportunity to throw him in prison, put him and his family on a watch list, etc. Screw that.
But his actions sure don't merit a free ride anywhere.
... ran off the greatest minds on the planet at the time.
America made great strides because of the "brain drain" caused by persecution.
Next up:
All white spelling bee participants with watered-down list of words.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Sorry, he was celebrated for being a black moslem.
While what the kid did is not an "invention" by any sense of word, it servers as a beacon of hope to all the young kids out there that their need to scratch that DIY itch will be rewarded. The kid was on the right path, and that is what needs to be blown out of proportion, to give everyone else an idea to aspire too. The kid probably doesn't deserve all the attention, but we need people like him getting attention, to at least have more role models to aspire to other than Kardashians.
No, you're mistaken.
You only get to fight racism with more racism if your black, specifically if you have a chip on your shoulder about it.
When I was a kid, if you brought a bomb to school, they would have closed down the whole school and invited it out to the playground to watch you set it off. True story.
illegally questioned by the police
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I can't possibly fathom what point the original poster was trying to make, assuming there even was one. But I was responding to the AC who indicated that the original comment wasn't racist, when it clearly was.
Keep selling yourself those lies, and maybe one day you'll believe them too.
The rest of us are glad this little Pinocchio troll got arrested for his fake bomb scare.
The dipsit deserved it, what he didn't deserve was a trip to Google or the white house for being a little dipshit.
Remove casing from a Wallmart clock
get invited by Google and President
Fucking genius, durrrr.
It was a mass produced clock, not any "invention".
He was a kid that took apart a clock and put it together again in a new case...it wasn't a science fair project, it wasn't a class assignment, it wasn't a patent application. And got arrested for bringing it to school.
Criticizing him for lack of inventiveness is like criticizing Rosa Parks for not being original in her choice of transportation. I mean it was just a bus after all. The significance was two-fold. He got arrested for bringing a clock to school... probably because of his race and religion. And he got arrested for bringing a clock to school... because we live in a culture that has so demonized technology that anything that has wires is considered a potential threat. This is about a lesson for society and not about new technology. But if we go around arresting kids for tinkering with tech (tech that nobody thought was actually a bomb at any point), then we aren't going to get any new technology.
It doesn't matter if he set out to show how idiotic his teachers were. If so, then he succeeded. If not, then it just so happens that he revealed his school and the police in his community to be racist technophobes. Either way the embarrassment is rightly with the school and the police and not him.
nice from a scientific point
Yes, but nice for whom? Gun deaths sell papers, papers sell advertisers. A lot of money hinges on tragedy and conflict.
So it's powered by what? The boy's love for science??
No you dipshit, that little attention whore plugged it in and set the alarm to make it beep in class.
Wtf did you think happened!
There are certain things you don't do. You don't allow a suspected bomb-maker in the same room as the suspected bomb until the bomb squad has cleared it. Furthermore, you don't let the the entire student body stay in the building when you have a suspected bomb until the bomb squad has cleared it. You also don't illegally question a minor without their parents present once you've discerned that there is not imminent, life-or-death threat (you know, that thing you claim you think was a bomb but didn't actually treat like a bomb). It's funny how those things you don't do only apply to minorities and not to the white, middle-class ADULTS in the situation...
Also, you better be careful with your comments about trump - when he's president in 15 months he's gonna go after people who spoke out against him.
That's media for you, jump on the hype train. I know kids his age that can solder custom circuit boards I don't see anyone jumping through hoops to help them get a good education.
Remove casing from a Wallmart clock
get invited by Google and President
Fucking genius, durrrr.
It was a mass produced clock, not any "invention".
Unfortunately true. He is not a particularly bright kid and is being unduly celebrated. He took apart a clock. While we should celebrate kids taking apart clocks, we shouldn't call it an invention.
You and GP should know, as you both also are not particularly bright kids and are being unduly celebrated as insightful. Let's see... you read a summary or two and saw a release so... historians decades from now will undoubtedly track you down to get a first person testimony from a couple of experts on ... everything. Not everyone can read a summary and leap to judgement. That takes balls. Some take years and never realize Ahmed has been on a mystery trip ever since his teacher decided it was worth dramatizing. The police agreed, definte drama-worthy shit. The press agreed as well, and most importantly, the President of the United States agreed with the teacher, that Ahmed is the one.
I'm sure you think of something else to snear about when all the clocks in Qatar stop working. Or maybe you'll realize that one always shouldn't be so confident about the information, because it is not intelligence.
tl;dr - Just stay away from kids and keep your mouth shut and your crummy opinions about kids to yourself. I need not remind you of how many diapers you were celebrated for filling... like a true genius. Idiots.
Merely a sign of the times we live in. Politicians cater to the press, and the press is only loosely based on reality.
How is this "a sign of the times". It's been true as long as there has been press. Before that it was story tellers and still the same.
Welcome to the Brave New World.
Nothing new at all. Just another lame anti-Obama tale.
I dunno, it's hard to beat the 'anti sjws' for being cryhards. If you're being stifled by women or people whining on the Internet the chances are you just suck at life.
I always love these kinds of stories and the childhood terror they emanate about having been caught doing something perceived as wrong because of the adult reactions to it. How dare you take apart that clock! Are you crazy? A hostile reaction to something I found to be so interesting and fun always kind of shocked me and sticks with me to this day.
Of course, it turns out that all along your mom just didn't want to be late for work or whatever the next day because the alarm clock was in one hundred pieces sitting on the counter. Sorry, mom!
51% approval rating for President Obama is abysmal?
I don't care what skin color you are or who's religious garb you are displaying, people are going to detain you until they can prove that the devices are in fact fake. After which, you would be jailed for terrorism. None of this will be a kind polite experience, nor should it be.
The fact is I did all those things while studying engineering, and I no one ever batted an eye. I was well dressed, carrying a pile of electronics books. On any given monday i have been seen on a ferry assembling some bizarre electric contraption, with wires sticking out and seven segment displays counting in any direction, never once was I bothered. Certainly my DSP project really did look (unintentionally) like a bomb from a movie. The difference is, nobody would expect me to make a bomb. Honestly some of the things my friends and I did in (primarily high) school probably should have raised some eyes, and did involve explosive substances (gasoline, frequently).
I'm not going to argue that this kid (and his father) may have been trying to get attention those facts were not in evidence initially and in full fairness if that's your gig, the mayor of that town is also known to be an agitator against muslims. All the required ingredients are there to make a sensation. But it seems unlikely any of this would have happened if he were a good christian boy.
He got invited because he was called a terrorist for having an interest in technology.
Obama job approval by:
REGION
[East, Midwest, South, West] => [51, 44, 41, 51]
EDUCATION
[High School or less, Some College, College graduate only, Postgrad, All college grads, All college nongrads] => [45, 42, 46, 59, 51, 44]
Don't you get it? 51% of people overwhelmingly agree!
http://www.gallup.com/file/pol...
The numbers are actually kinda shockingly mediocre across the board (as compared to previous Presidents' polling trends). The most notable things I see are the race demos (34% approval by white people, 84% approval by black Americans, 63% approval by hispanics) and age range, which goes 59 -> 45 -> 43 -> 38% approval rating based on age bracket. 60% of people who were maybe barely old enough to vote for him twice approve of his job.
And, of course, the 82/43/10% split between Democrat/Independent/Republican party id, but that's not surprising at all.
If it was clearly a clock, then why was a 14 year old child hand cuffed by police and 'escorted' out of school? The real story here is the insane stupidity that is swallowing the United States - teachers are no longer able to teach or discuss controversial topics (even at the University level) for fear of being reported, history is being re-written minimizing science and promoting 'faith', global warming facts are marginalized, fracking environmental hazards are undermined, companies continue to profiteer off citizens so a few can be fabulously wealthy while the majority has seen income stagnation ....
The facts are the US ranks 14th in Education, 2nd in ignorance of social topics....
Lacking the ability to intellectually, openly and critically discuss problems, removes the ability to solve them.
He was absolutely celebrated for being a nerd. People viewed it as authority stifling the creative and innovative spirit.
If a black muslim threatens to kill a bunch of people at his school or join ISIS or whatever, it would get nowhere near the news attention as this did. If you're focusing on his ethnic background or the word "invention" in this story, then you're probably a fucking moron who is out of step with most of America.
They are moving to Qatar, not fucking Iraq.
This is the kind of ignorant shit that happens when you have no culture and no passport, like the majority of Americans.
This all just seems like the other side of the same SJW bullshit. The media is suppressing information (that weirdly is still freely available to nearly everyone), and anybody with an opposing voice is labelled a racist and "buried" under criticism.
Since when do you have a right to not be "buried under criticism". This all seems like it's just a normal marketplace of ideas doing it's thing. What exactly is the problem?
Go Allah Akbar someplace else.
So, repeatedly telling your teacher it is a clock is a bomb threat now? Wow, that is pretty amazing.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Do you really expect anyone to believe that "Electronics Books" are the same thing as a a device which looks like a bomb? Having people watch you work on an open device is the same as having an enclosed device, built intentionally to look like an explosive device? Those are rhetorical questions intended to demonstrate the idiocy of your position and bogus claim. No sane person would believe either of those things to be true.
I gave you the test, and you don't have the balls to do any such thing. You will continue to troll as if your fantasy matters, but you won't take the test.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...
Further, the family (AFAIK) has refused to sign any waiver allowing the school to explain their side of the story fully.
Dad's a media gadfly (from a profile of him long before the whole bomb thing)
http://www.okayafrica.com/news...
Calls himself a sheikh on his campaign page (one of them)
https://web.archive.org/web/20...
-Styopa
Who called it an invention?
I keep seeing this implied all over 4chan and Slashdot, but I have yet to see it anywhere in the media. I feel like I'm trapped in a Fox News pundit vortex.
its like yelling fire in a theater when there is no fire
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Perhaps you should look again.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116...
46% is less than half, so less than half of the people polled approve of how the president is doing things.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
i didnt see him say it was ok, only that a double standard is in place
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Get out of this country god damn sorry piece of shit terrorist
Or power the clock with 12 D cell batteries in 3 rows of 4 rolled up in paper to hold them together.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Just because we called it an invention mistakenly does not mean he's not a bright kid. The average kids don't bother with this stuff or taking things apart and putting them back together in different ways. Yes, in college this would be considered hum drum, but in junior high it's well above average.
Boy Sets Alarm Clock To Go Off During Boring Class
the recreation i saw didn't have any resoldering.
Let's hope Ahmed and his family aren't headed to terrorist training camps to learn suicide bombing.
no-one did.
You left out the part about him being a Muslim. Anybody can take apart a clock.
Again, a fake bomb would not qualify as "exigent circumstances" after the point where they determined there was no threat so they had no legal right to question the kid without a parent or guardian present so the police interrogation was a violation of his civil rights.
it happened to me when i was younger as well/ didnt get taken in but cops came to the school
the reason?????
a seethrough clear water pistol that fits in the palm of your hand
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Using the threat of a bomb to get out of school is terrorism. It's bush league terrorism, but it's literally using terror to get what you want.
I guess you've never heard of the Fenian raids in the late 19th century.
LOL. You are going to have to do a LOT better than that.
So we know that this Muslim kid did some trivial little project and the school completely overracted by calling the police on him and accusing him of terrorism. That fact I think is pretty well indisputable. And then you go and post a link to an article talking about how his Muslim sister was also accused of terrorism by the same school district? I'm absolutely shocked!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDTLg4G4pME
Undeserved praise as a way of atoning for undeserved punishment does not show that we are more enlightened. In fact, it exposes further ignorance on our part.
Wrong, kids are exceptionally impressionable. This kid has shown an interest in tinkering with things. Then he gets all this negative attention over it from his school and the police. In the end, even though he got off without any punishment, he's probably had the shit scared out of him. There's a very good chance he might never want to mess with stuff like this again. The "undeservice praise" is a way of really telling him "fuck those assholes...you do what you want to do, and don't let any racist dumbasses discourage you from the things you find interesting". Except the thing is, actually telling that to someone his age doesn't necessarily get the point across. You've got to make it a really positive experience to combat the really negative experience embedded deep into his memory.
It's only half racist.
What would you suggest? I don't have a senator in my back pocket, and it's illegal to shoot the oligarchs.
Ahh that explains it. I am neither black nor young. Nor American, for that matter.
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I feel rather sorry for those young Science winners. If you read through the citations there are some clever young minds in there who will hopefully go on to do great things.
However they have all been upstaged by a boy who dismantled a clock and put it in a suitcase - not quite at the same level is it ?
The media and politicians have been played like a fiddle by his family. Note I don't include Ahmed in this.
Why are his family going to Qatar ? I'm sure there is some money on the table with this.
This whole "incident" was fabricated to generate media outrage,
If that is true, then BRAVO to the kid and his father.
It is about goddamned time we stop this "anti-terrorist" motivated drift towards the foment of inter-cultural hate.
That, and the US & Europe's drift in rhetoric (and real attacks) towards that, ahem, type of 'unpleasantness' that took place in Germany around the mid-20th century.
Same story, new target. History doesn't repeat itself, but it damned-well rhymes.
I partially destroyed a bridge when I was growing up. Yes, for real. I exploited the harmonicities in a simple, symmetric truss-bridge. Anyone can do it – by hand.
I neither received a medal, nor was arrested. The statute of limitations is long-expired on this prank.
If anyone wants to give me a medal, or some (precious) metal, or perhaps even the mettle to go on living in this insane world, then please do. Just don't meddle in my affairs.
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Both horrible egotists, liars, and IP thieves.
The world would be a better place if Tesla had given Edison 20,000 Volts – personally, with an Amp or so accompanying.
I dunno, it's hard to beat the 'anti sjws' for being cryhards. If you're being stifled by women or people whining on the Internet the chances are you just suck at life.
Really? Cause the sjw's are the ones whining about diversity and how meritocracy is "sexist and racist." I don't know about you, but if I'm hiring someone to fill a position, I want the best candidate I can get. I don't want someone in that position because of what their skin colour is, or because of their genitals. But I'm sure you're all for it, that's why your doctor is a Inuit who used to be the janitor on the first floor right?
Om, nomnomnom...
True. The boy should get a medal for having innocuously shown the school and local 'authorities' to be xenophobes.
Exposing Systemic Xenophobia in the USA. That is what this entire affair has been about from the start.
It worked.
Just don't shoot anyone with an IUD.
Them ladies are serious dating material!
Or something said in his science class piqued his interest and he couldn't wait to examine the issue. No pejoratives required other than he may be a bit impulsive.
Q: What do you call a person who graduated at the bottom of his/her class in medical school?
Doctor. (more accurately physician, but I digress)
...The numbers are actually kinda shockingly mediocre across the board (as compared to previous Presidents' polling trends)....
Really? Bush II started out around 90% just after the 9/11 events. (Any President would get that under such circumstances.)
That high approval rating quickly plummeted to an unprecedentedly low number. I think it was around 15% at one point.
...46% is less than half, so less than half of the people polled approve of how the president is doing things.
Look at this from a reporter's perspective.
46% = 0.46, which rounds up to 50%
That person's boss see's 50% (0.5), and rounds it up to 1. Voila, 100% approval rating.
That's media for you, jump on the hype train. I know kids his age that can solder custom circuit boards I don't see anyone jumping through hoops to help them get a good education.
It's actually quite difficult these days for a curious young mind to disassemble, and then reassemble or re-use, components in an electronic device.
We have mostly moved past the era of individual devices, or standard-chip connectors, that can be de-soldered, and repurposed or re-used.
Miniaturization has given us the gift of microelectronics and packaged modules. Touch a soldering iron to one of the super-tiny leads, and you will fry the parts. Learning by dis-assembly is, in many cases, no longer possible.
Disassemble and re-purpose components of your iPhone, if you don't believe me. It's not possible. Everything is plug-in modules and glue-tacked leads.
The maker movement, however, holds promise. You can buy modules with standard leads or sockets. Get a Raspberry Pi, MyDAQ, a breadboard, or whichever, and you can make stuff... but only from purchased modules and components... never from anything scavenged.
I agree they overreacted, but when you build something that looks passingly like an IED, and then you take it to school, what the hell else can you expect?
US Army and other armed forced handbook provide instructions creating explosive devices from materials randomly at-hand, when in a dangerous, covert, or captured situation.
When Americans do it, is it an IED, or just an explosive device?
Why is it that the public has swallowed wholesale this new term of "IED" to mean, basically, "a bomb that someone we don't like prepared."?
Do Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, or whichever military contractors make the bombs put s "stamp of approval" on the things... one that notes that, "this explosive device has not been improvised."?
Distinction without a difference.
Yeah. Because their Sharia law seems so progressive compared to Iraq. Happy stoning everybody!
The Oklahoma bombing killed 168 people and injured more than 680 others. The 3000 dead at the twin towers far exceeds that. Are you going to try to push some silly distinction that flying aircraft into buildings isn't bombing?
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Now he has to go to the Middle East to get some training. :-p
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If, as a pedestrian, you insist on your right-of-way in a crosswalk, you can end up dead. Don't act stupidly.
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You obviously haven't bothered to read about Obama's history.
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See that was a lesson I learnt another way, with the unit on, and my hand just too close to the back of the exposed tube. What I do remember was having to go sit quietly in my office for a while.
If anyone really thought this was a bomb they would have evacuated the school and called the bomb squad. They had a kid that was irritating the teacher with a gadget, and called the police on him, handcuffed him and questioned him while denying him access to his parents. A society that thinks this is just fine have lost all touch with individual freedoms and civil rights.
If anyone really thought this was a bomb they would have evacuated the school and called the bomb squad. They had a kid that was irritating the teacher with a gadget, and called the police on him, handcuffed him and questioned him while denying him access to his parents. A society that thinks this is just fine have lost all touch with individual freedoms and civil rights.
No wonder americans let TSA trample all over them and treat everyone as a potential terrorist without rights.
Right, first I'd heard of this was from a guy who always whines about SJWs, that the new Star Wars movie was taken over by SJWs. Who got trolled?
You're simplifying what happened, and thus changing the story. He showed it to his science teacher who thought it was cool. He then took it to English class, plugged it in and caused a distraction by having the alarm go off. When the non-technical english teacher saw it, he said it's just a clock. This version of the story sounds a whole more lot like he didn't get the attention he wanted from the first teacher, so intentionally created an incident with a second teacher who did not have the technical background to see there was no risk.
Sure, the arrest might have been an over-reaction. Maybe there was a racial component to the reactions, which is always unfortunate. Maybe it was all a series of poorly thought out decisions on the kid's and teacher's part. I wonder if we'll ever know for sure.
Even if your assumptions about his motivations were true. The arrest might have been an over-reaction? Really? How have a country that used to value individual freedoms and civil rights gone to the point where children handcuffed and questioned by the police while denied access to parents is a normal reaction to class distraction from a beeping gadget? I won't Godwin this thread but it is very tempting.
In a country where school shootings happen almost weekly, yes. No matter how desperately you want to believe that the evil racist Texans were just out to get a kid genius because of his race, nothing in reality supports that notion.
You are fighting straw men. Nothing in the post above claims anything of what you claim it do here. It is not claiming genius kid, quite the opposite it is claiming that it doesn't matter one way or the other. And it is not bringing up racism at all, you did that.
And it is obvious that they didn't really think it was a threat, then they would have evacuated and called the bomb squad. But I better understand how americans accept TSA, police brutality and similar when I see that it is considered normal to call police with handcuffs on schoold children, denying them access to legal rights (parents), because they were a nuisance in school.
I'd say the invention was quite brilliant.
Let me see you build a device from a walmart clock and a pencil case, that will get you a nation-wide fame, invitation to the White House and Google, and a Quatar scholarship.
It may be lousy at measuring time, or as a showcase of technical skill, but it was totally awesome at earning him publicity. Shun the technical side all you want, the clock was a true masterpiece of social engineering.
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He didn't "show it to his teacher". He let the alarm go off unannounced in his English class, and then refused to explain to anyone what the fuck it was. Then he finally got what he wanted when the cops came and detained him until he explain what it was. Then he was released.
You must really suck at Googling if you can't find any articles talking about how is father has ties to the Council For Islamic Relations, and has been involved in publicity stunts in the past (including running for president of Sudan).
So having a beeping alarm clock and behaving like a nuisance (also called behaving like a kid) is enough to not only have school children arrested in handcuffs, but denied their legal rights (parents). It is interesting how quickly Americans are willing to overlook civil rights abuse in face of fear, but it helps explain the acceptance of TSA, NSA, police methods etc.
What would you suggest? I don't have a senator in my back pocket, and it's illegal to shoot the oligarchs.
It may well be illegal to shoot the better off, even if they so richly deserve it, but there are other ways. Grassroots movements do actually achieve things, and the power of the internet is that it makes organising yourselves across the nation so easy. Now, I know what the first objection is going to be: "What chance do we have to even get off the ground, when [any of a number of reasons]?" There are many answers to that - one is: you never know until you try. Another is: look at the history of some of the movements that are now powerful; they all started out being seen as pathetic little things that would never fly. Somehow they managed to persuade enough people that they were worth following.
Only if Trump was a race.
Or maybe they're leaving the country BECAUSE of all the attention and from people like you making it into a big fucking political agenda you fucking americans do with everything, ugh..
Not us by that lame crap your trying so hard to sell there big boy.
Try harder tryhard!
Making something that looks like a bomb to a teacher, pulling it out in every class, plugging it in, and setting the alarm to "go off" in class...
Yeah, none of that was out of the ordinary behavior for a media attention troll...
Then why did he wait until English class?
When I was in school you played attention to the teacher and the lesson, not playing with toys I brought in my backpack.
But hey, I'm not a media attention seeking troll.
So this is OK because the child is white?
http://m.huffpost.com/us/news/pop-tart-gun-suspension
Hey, doesn't that make you racist?
Except the school said it looks like a "bomb facsimile".
Which is also illegal, which means you still get arrested, but they don't evacuate the school.
Why don't you understand this?
Or are you just really into pushing fud?
Bringing a bomb facsimile to school is illegal too, even if your a Muslim child wearing a NASA shirt.
Bringing it out in every class, and making it beep to solicit a reaction from your teachers is just to create a SJW wet dream.
Bringing an actual bomb to school is very bad and also very illegal.
Bringing a bomb facsimile to school is also very bad and also very illegal.
Being brown and Muslim doesn't mean you get to break the law as long as no one was in any real danger.
No one would have given this story a second thought if the child had been white.
Bringing a bomb facsimile to school is also illegal...
If you don't believe me, just try it yourself and see what happens.
Because I'm willing to bet the police are not trained to handle an incident like this.
A potential bomb scare, and yes that's the correct phrasing even if it wasn't a real bomb, from a child in a school is new ground.
No one was actually hurt, except maybe some SJW feelings, to which I say tough tits.
Yes, because if you bring in a case with wires and your "invention" beeps during English class then you refuse to explain it in any other country they throw you a freaking parade.
Fucking retard.
The AC that started this deranged derailing rant claimed the US was doing the mutilations, which is wrong.
The choice to change/mod your genitals is up to the individual in the US.
I was teasing about how bad his comparison was by using another bad comparison.
.... I have to say, this looks like another win-win situation.
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
Because when I look for facts I choose okayafrica, wordpress and breitbart above all.
Brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.
I didn't think to drag it out last night, but FYI, it's this model. The only difference is that mine has the fake woodgrain on the sides.
Funny part is, the damned thing is probably worth more now ($20) than the original purchase price. The word "vintage" made me recoil a little, though :)
Oh, and one correction - it was AM-only. I remember that because I once strung the internal antenna out to an aluminum window screen to try and get a better signal... managed to snag stations as far as 2-3 states away on a few nights when I did that.
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He put it in a hard case container for safety. Throwing it at the bottom of a soft bag would have been stupid.
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Many girls have been suspended for "disrupting class" by having a skirt that didn't reach the knees, or a shoulder showing. Though I don't remember any escorted out by police.
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If you're being stifled by women or people whining on the Internet the chances are you just suck at life.
The Internet I couldn't give two shits about. It's when they dox your ass and start harassing you (and especially your employer) in real life that a pretty important line gets crossed.
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That looked nothing like a bomb, or a gun. Real bombs are NOT going to look like that. "Abundance of caution" my ass.
Wellll.... Yes, they do. We non-terrorist religionists have this thing called "choice" allowing us to ignore, or re-interpret, some of the more stupid parts of the holy books.
2 Chronicles 15:12-13 Might be interesting reading to people who think there's nothing in the Bible saying "kill nonbelievers".
Deuteronomy 17:2-5 paraphrased "Kill those who believe in other gods"
There are other references, and those above may not be specifically saying "you must kill all unbelievers everywhere" which you seem to think is in the Koran. I'd say you probably haven't read it well enough to get the context, based on your comment about there not being any such thing in those other holy books.
oh, interesting, I remember a clock very similar to that one.....
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Because when I look for facts I choose okayafrica, wordpress and breitbart above all.
Well, facts exist in many places. Read the links and judge for yourself. If you find them inaccurate, let us know. But to simply dismiss arguments simply because of who makes them is an example of the ad hominem fallacy.
I think it's especially true that valid information on controversial subjects often comes from non-mainstream sources. In this case, most of the media went with the consensus story, something like "Innocent boy is victim of Islamophobia." Only by digging deeper did some people discover the backstory of the family. Surely it is relevant that the father is a political activist, and that having his son be a victim of "Islamophobia" might help in his next campaign for president of Sudan? Surely it's interesting that the sister was expelled from the school district for a bomb threat, and might have a grudge?
I read widely on this and realized that it was likely similar to the "Flying Imams" incident: Some Muslims do things which are technically innocent but calculated to look like a security threat, and then cry "Islamophobia!" when they authorities notice. The whole thing was a stunt.
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There are far too many psycho "patriots" in the U.S. who couldn't care less about patriotism, only their psychotic views of rights and liberties that don't include anyone who thinks differently.
I took apart 2-3 clocks growing up. Where's my medal?
You have to be brown and Muslim to get the presidents attention.
It is helpful that you provided the reference ... all in all, what have we come to when taking a suitcase with a bunch of wires triggers a bomb scare? Just I suppose times have changed ... I used to take my 22 to target practice with a club in the basement of the school... I suppose let the kid go to wherever ... he is never going to appreciate the freedoms we take for granted here
It was a ploy and I even stated so to others and they were aghast that I would insinuate such a thing. Low and behold, I was right. This country needs a social media holiday for like a week, maybe some critical thinking will reappear.
I would like to advise him to stay there too!
I also initially thought about how dumb his achievement was, but we also have to re-calibrate to what a 13 year old is capable of. If I, an 25 year old engineer, took a digital clockwork apart, put it in a metal box, and tied it with wire it's obviously a non-accomplishment. But a 13 year old might think it was cool.
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If you were able to comprehend what you read, you would know that I was challenging the premise of a "bomb facsimile". So simply stating that it was a bomb facsimile as if it is a fact is pointless.
Being brown and Muslim doesn't mean you get to break the law as long as no one was in any real danger. No one would have given this story a second thought if the child had been white.
Once again you seem to be completely missing the point of what is being argued. The argument is that *the reason* this clock was being portrayed as being a bomb facsimile is *because* the kid was muslim.
Yes no one would have given it a second thought if the kid was white, including the teachers who would not have (hopefully) called the cops.
Also, the *reason* a bomb facsimile is illegal is *because* it is *potentially* a real bomb. Which means that you are supposed to evacuate the school in the event of a bomb facsimile because you don't know it's not a real bomb until after the fact.
Well, that's what this culture is now right? The celebration of the mediocre because they are aggrieved and given victim-hood status. I think we are starting to live in the world as envisioned by Idiocracy.
Please re-rerun your Civ 5 simulation again and get back to us with something more cogent so you can be taken seriously.
This is not subject to the ad hominem fallacy. I'm attacking the validity of facts on websites like wordpress where not only can facts be faked but also the person presenting the facts.
Additionally, regardless of the fathers political ambitions, if a white male did this exact same thing would he have been led off in handcuffs? I wouldn't think so, so there is a point to be made.
The fact remains that a kid with a clock in a briefcase was taken out of high school in handcuffs. Its hard to argue the school or police were in the right any way you look at it.
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Nevertheless, you have not shown any of these facts to be incorrect.
As for "it wouldn't have happened to a white person," nonsense. It happens to white people all the time. The kid who got in trouble for biting a Pop-Tart into the shape of a gun was white. The college student who got in trouble for having a butter knife in her car (a "weapon on campus") was white. Plus, you are ignoring the fact that this was a stunt. The point was to get arrested and make a stink. That's why the kid did what he did, including plugging it in in class and setting the alarm, even after one teacher had told him to not show it to anyone. And then he was uncooperative with the police. And the famous picture of him with handcuffs was staged: the father insisted the handcuffs by put back on, so that a picture could be taken. Don't take a political stunt at face value.
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And depression invoked suicides have killed more people than both put together. Did you have a point, or were you just spouting Islamophobia and random "Number A is larger than Number B"?
17,891 deaths by terror attack in 2013.
41,149 deaths by suicide in 2013 (in the US).
Note that those figures for terror attacks may be just for the US, or they may be worldwide...I'm not bothering to check, because if they're just for the US, it means suicides outnumber terror attacks 2 to 1, and if it's NOT just for the US...it's a much worse ratio.
Source(s):
http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/...
http://www.who.int/mental_heal...
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/n...
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So my problem was paying attention to actual newspaper articles, rather than highly biased sources?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
It makes no sense to pick up a suspected bomb and put it in a desk drawer, either. Everybody involved knew darn well it wasn't a bomb.
The proper response if one has some reason to believe that it might possibly be a bomb is to leave it where it is, evacuate the building, and call in the police.
Therefore, what the kid made was obviously not a bomb, and the kid claimed correctly that it was a clock, so where does this bomb threat idea come from?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
If it looks enough like a bomb to be potentially scary, you don't touch it. You evacuate the building and call the bomb squad. You do NOT pick the thing up and put it in a drawer in your desk.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
So my problem was paying attention to actual newspaper articles, rather than highly biased sources?
Your problem was to assume that newspapers are not "highly biased sources."
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...about removing the insides from one box and putting them in another box in a much poorer, haphazard, looks-like-a-bomb-to-stupid-people way? Ahmed certainly shouldn't have been arrested for his act, but he sure as heck doesn't deserve any STEM-oriented praise, either.
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Do you think that if he were white they'd have arrested him in the first place? Travesties of justice disproportionally fall on members of other races.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Wow, keep drinking that kool-aid. And vote Trump! He's gonna make America "great" again!
Except that if anybody involved thought it was a bomb, they should be fired for incompetence. The school was not evacuated. The device was not dealt with by the bomb squad (who do try to detonate stuff without explosives in it now and then). Instead, the "bomb" wound up in the teacher's desk drawer, so that if it was she'd be sure to go.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Not to mention that the town it happened in is extremely well known for it's "anti-terror" tactics, which have landed them with a few lawsuits and eggs in their faces. The stupidity of Texans knows no bounds. I vote we give them back to Mexico and give the federal funding they rely on back to the people.
It didn't look like a bomb. Everyone who dealt with it knew it wasn't a bomb. The teacher picked it up and put it in her desk drawer. Nobody suggested evacuating the school.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The question is not about whether the school can do whatever, the question is about police activities. They are required to comply with the law.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
If it was possibly a bomb, why did the teacher pick it up, put it in her desk drawer, and not evacuate the school?
Nobody took it for a bomb.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Do you think if he was a white kid he would have been invited to the White House? I think a little racist claptrap is appropriate in this case.
I think that if he was a white kid you would never had heard about it, because nothing would have happened.
It was never about how smart the kid was, or whether he had "invented" anything. It's that a kid took a clock to school and somehow became a Scary Terrorist for his trouble. Forget about this particular kid for a moment (his dad is an ex-politician, he's gonna be OK no matter what happens). But how many other kids (and parents) are going to decide that it's not worth mentioning that you like taking clocks apart? How many kids won't talk to their science or shop teacher and get encouraged to pursue that interest, because hey - look what happened to the last kid? How many non-white parents watched this on the TV and decided that this was just one more thing they had to protect their kids from?
That's the issue - for a country that's constantly complaining that they don't have enough STEM graduates.. y'think there might be a reason for it?
Now, if you'd just start arresting lawyers and hedge fund managers, you could actually turn the country around!
Being muslim is also a choice. Muslims are not a race.
Correction: the device was known to be definitely not a bomb, so the school was protecting the students from absolutely nothing. If they had thought it might possibly be a bomb, they would have evacuated the building, rather than put it in a desk drawer.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Why did you bother to source irrelevant information? What do depression related suicides have to do with terrorist bombings?
Absolutely I do.
I am not even just talking about the teachers, who I agree with you, obviously either knew it wasn't a bomb, or are the dumbest people on the planet. I am talking about all the people weighing in on whether they think the device looks like a bomb, despite having zero clues about what a real life bomb actually looks like.
Why did I bother? Because facts should be sourced.
Why did I bring these particular facts in the first place? Because I was pointing out that anyone can say "This particular number is bigger than the number you're talking about" (as you did with the IRA deaths vs Islamic terrorists comment)...but that doesn't necessarily make it relevant. I even said as much in my comment.
Suicides aren't necessarily directly related to terrorism related deaths, although they do share the rather significant similar factor of death.
In this case, I'm also obliquely making the point that depression and suicide are a significantly bigger problem than terrorism (if a US citizen dies, they've got a 0.00061% chance it's from terrorism...and a 1.58% chance it's from suicide), and we in America are kinda idiots to ignore this.
Regardless of the motives of the kid who took apart the clock, regardless of whether or not it was random chance or a precisely calculated media blitz by someone trying to grab the spotlight...the fact remains that a kid got arrested because he had a box full of wires that may or may not have looked like a thing that actually kills or injurs less than 0.00071% of all humans, worldwide...and meanwhile, we've got depressed kids (and adults!) in every single school in our nation.
tl;dr version: We're severely overreacting to terrorism (especially in schools), and severely under-reacting to other causes of death.
Sources:
http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/...
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/n...
http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/...
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People who believe that a bunch of exposed wires and electronics equate to a bomb are morons of the order of nuclear plant NIMBYs.
Yes but you couldn't put them back together!
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That's all wonderful. But this thread is about terrorism. Both Islamic bombings and the IRA were mentioned. I provided information relating the two. Old age causes a lot more deaths than depression, why don't you provide data and sources for that too? You may be eloquent and prolific with your words, that does not make them relevant.
I guess that makes it all Ok then and those terrorism caused deaths are an acceptable loss. You are a fucking idiot.
I seriously doubt your figures too.
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
When I first started reading your comment I thought I might just write a rebuttal. I decided upon finishing it to just tell you to go and fuck off.
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
I was extremely careful about it, but that didn't stop her from issuing an ultimatum: re-assemble it into full working order, or get my ass beat into oblivion. I had three minutes to spare once I demonstrated it's functionality to her satisfaction.
In one sentence, you managed to beat out every bomb-defusing scene in every movie I've ever watched. Sir, I would like to buy the rights to your story and make it into a short film :-)
I have no idea of the color of his skin, nor do I care. It is not relevant.
Claim are made the sister Suspended for three days, this from a rabid right wing politicians web site http://www.allenbwest.com/2015... becomes expelled for bomb scares. Typical pseudo religious, pseudo conservative bullshit, lies upon lies upon lies. If I had a child who had correctly designed and connected the circuits of a clock and was arrested and accused of terrorism, I would also with out hesitation leave the country, next time he could have half a dozen out of control law enforcers empty their magazine into the child's chest and half the surrounding landscape. Choke on your hatred and bile, just as you choke your country with it. What can you celebrate, the most hated murderous regime on the planet, far outdoing all the rest of the world combined in destruction of the planet and of humanity. Raging greed and hate, how about the white girl who had a circuit board on her T-Shirt, responce from 'your kind' of crazed law enforcement, "She was lucky I did not shoot her in the head".
The reality is most of the attack was based around failed jock strap douche bags who hate computer geeks and nerds, jealous of their intelligence. No real threat just wanted to stick it to a smart ass, typical jack ass response. Why the huge offence because any one who rejects American exceptionlism who does not support America Number 1, no matter where they come from in the world or who they are must be attacked, must be denigrated, must be abused. Just crawl away you lead head http://www.bbc.com/news/magazi..., you are just so pathetically what the love of motor vehicles turned you into, a society and culture poisoned by the toys they loved more than any other country. Actually physically poisoned, not some simile - less caring, less understanding and less morale, as a result of inhaling all those tetraethyl lead fumes, ahh, do you smell the stink of that irony for what you did to yourselves and why your society is abusing the rest of the world in such a criminal fashion. Who wouldn't leave given a great opportunity, well, I suppose leads heads wouldn't.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
OK. So the kid was race-baiting and made them believe he had a bomb. I can believe that.
So then why was the school not evacuated? Why did the teacher keep this dangerous device in her desk? So eithe she thought is was a bomb and handled incorrectly by keeping the danger with the other kids, or she thought it was not a bomb and overreacted by calling the cops.
If it was race baiting, why did she fall for it? They could handle it by suspending the boy or whatever after making it clear that race-baiting is not allowed.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
There was no mention of Muslims in that trickle of words.
Can someone explain to me why my post has been modded troll?
i would say that just because someone sucks at trying to kill you, doesn't mean it's not attempted murder. Like the underwear bomber.
just because it doesn't do a terribly good job of being a bomb scare, doesn't mean it's not in bomb-scare territory. Like if someone brought a toy gun into school and started to pretend to shoot it at people, and it had that terrible orange tag on the end still...
i imagine they would frown on that too, even though "obviously it's a toy"
Hey wait, lets say a kid 3d prints a replica handgun. spray paints it black, poorly. then brings it into school, and shows it to his shop teacher, who knows what it is and tells him he shouldn't wave it around, and then pretends to shoot it at a classmate in a class whose teacher doesn't know what it is?
i imagine most people would say, yeah, give that kid something to think about, arrest him, make him remember that those kinds of jokes are in poor taste. And a certain subset read gun, and just thought, lynch the fucker. :)
There are many countries today, that have a high standard of living for its citizens.
A standard that is above that for the equivalent American job. Qatar is one of them. They will get free education, free healthcare, one month vacations, a common language, a common religion, and a good standard of living (car, home, swimming pool, no guns, low crime, etc.
So, wish them well.
This event inspired the hackaday.io community to build entries for the Clocks for Social Good list. Some are very ingenious.
Arduino Enigma Machine Simulator http://arduinoenigma.blogspot.com
Like if someone brought a toy gun into school and started to pretend to shoot it at people, and it had that terrible orange tag on the end still...
Either you have reason to believe it's a real gun and evacuate the school or you believe it's a fake gun and discipline the kid.
That's like saying "We think there is a leak in the nuclear reactor, but we aren't sure, so we didn't evacuate anybody, and we just gave the owner a fine".
Hey wait, lets say a kid 3d prints a replica handgun. spray paints it black, poorly. then brings it into school, and shows it to his shop teacher, who knows what it is and tells him he shouldn't wave it around, and then pretends to shoot it at a classmate in a class whose teacher doesn't know what it is?
Then you evacuate the fucking school because for all you know a kid is waiving a real gun around.
i imagine most people would say, yeah, give that kid something to think about, arrest him, make him remember that those kinds of jokes are in poor taste. And a certain subset read gun, and just thought, lynch the fucker. :)
I'd say arrest the teacher who decided to waste thousands of dollars in tax payer money just to teach a kid a lesson (something that's the school's job).
If bringing a kid bringing a fake gun to school is in bad taste, what is it when an adult perpetuates the prank by calling the cops even if he knows it's fake?
Did you forget to take your meds there, junior? That reply was all over the board - and you entirely forgot to reply to the last bit you quoted.