Devil Jesus, as a mustachianado, I take great offense in linking the lip-hair-blessed population with those.....ugh.....villains. Isn't that a fine "How do you do?" Good day, sir. I SAID GOOD DAY! *twirls mustache and sachets away*
Nope, you've fell into the trap and explained the problem completely:
Sounds like someone made a fuss about a simple change they should have accepted
Everyone is arguing about that right there. You say he should have accepted it. I say he shouldn't have- at least not at that moment. That's one of those little things that gets saved until the next actual version is committed. Granted, that would have merely delayed the argument until that time most likely, but it could have also sparked an overall debate about the validity of it where management and the programmers could have came to a resolution and nailed down a policy. The way it went down now, well, you see the fallout.
Riiiiight. You wanna hate on the poster for objectifying women but evidently all you think a mom is good for is jerking her kid off. Your kind of talk is what makes everyone else ignore your causes and blow them off as unimportant.
You've overanalyzed to the point of missing the obvious. He wasn't being sexist, he was calling the dude a super nerd virgin. The same type of insult like living in your mom's basement or Cheeto snorting, Mt Dew guzzling uber slob. Did you read the wall of text it was a response to? They were having a classic "vi vs emacs" style fight, in this case, Solaris vs SPARC, I think. You were correct about the technical deflections though. Someone on here says something about if you can't win, ad hominem. Seems appropriate to this post.
You didn't fix shit, AC: They're dead, Jim, and it was killed by politicizing a commit. Fork it and forget it. goodbye.
If one is going to properly sanitize a statement, "you" can't be used. As a reader, *I* didn't kill shit, and it is antagonistic to suggest I did. Offensive even! See the stigma regarding "you people" or "those people".
If you read the link Mike posted you'll find out the "reason" why:
we believe that empathy is a core engineering value—and that an engineer that has so little empathy as to not understand why the use of gendered pronouns is a concern almost certainly makes poor technical decisions as well.
I don't think your statement of
It could have been feminine or masculine, the company did not care, in fact they specifically state that it was not the issue..
is an accurate interpretation. Mine may not be either, but both statements imply something deeper is going on and no one will come right out and say it. Your statement claims the problem is adherence to syntax. I thought this was a key value a programmer could have. A programmer who thinks like a machine and is OCD like a machine is someone you want. That code monkey will always, consistently always, dot their I's and cross their T's and will rarely get bitten by stupid shit like forgetting the semicolon. What I quoted says that they do care because he didn't "empathize" or find it to be a "concern". Empathizing is not taking a neutral stance, at least not the way I hear everyone use it.
As a nerd myself, I will say that pedantic dickweedery is a hallmark trait of ours. I will also now take the term "pedantic dickweedery" and add it to my lexicon. Douchebaggery has been taken up by the hipsters and has become mainstream. Ironic isn't it!
I prefer to use "the luser" for three reasons: One) I am immature and find it funny. Two) It is a staple term I learned at a young age from my LUG and I've heard many of you here use it all the time. Three) As I said a post above, I am a shitty programmer so this reminds me that I am a luser too, so it keeps my arrogance in check.
That's why regardless of what the comments say or which code snippet they may be from, I delete them. The open source plugs, the attributions, the ascii art of the brogrammers cat, the ones that specifically tell me I'm not allowed to delete them because GNU_GPL v6004 license-- ALL of them. I also don't write any comments in my software. I am also a bad programmer.
I think he means it was a waste of said programmers time to sit there and rewrite all the docs to sanitize them instead of fixing an actual, real problem. Not the guy clicking accept/reject.
we believe that empathy is a core engineering value—and that an engineer that has so little empathy as to not understand why the use of gendered pronouns is a concern almost certainly makes poor technical decisions as well.
Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit. Technical decisions have practically dick to do with empathy. Every single time I have tried to add features to a product or system for "social" value I've been slapped the hell down. Technical decisions are based on 2 factors: Cost and Fitness for Purpose. The fitness is really just pointing back to profit since no one will buy a washing machine that can't wash. I'm not arguing anything about sexism or whatever. I could care less (but I won't because I do care a little) about which pronoun is used. And really does this whole thing not sound like it was completely a political bunch of spinning because "women in tech" is the big "thing" right now?
Also, do you smell that? That's hypocrisy right there. "We, this company, are making an overly broad generalization about people who make overly broad generalizations and wish to state that we don't condone overly broad generalizations. Those making overly broad generalizations shall be sacked." What I want to know is when and where the corporate-wide seppuku party will be so I can go watch.
How about those guys and gals get back to making java not suck so bad.
How is America's left hand drive a non-optimal solution? That implies LHD is superior. Having driven both styles, I must say there appears to be no difference because most aspects are mirrored. You still sit in the middle of the road just on a different side. Swapping shifting hands and not turning on your wipers to signal a turn are the only parts most have to relearn if they swap styles often.
The power plugs? I hate them both, but have no better solution. Euro 220V plugs are entirely too big though.
50vs60Hz? Seems a matter of preference to me though I'm sure back in the day it was chosen to reduce competition from imports. Save with PAL vs NTSC.
Metric....can we not just swap over already? I personally hate the celcuis temp scale, but I'll adapt eventually.
The overall theme and content of the post though I can't agree with more.
Their fries have been garbage around here ever since they went to that "healthy" no trans fat oil. I'm sorry Indians & Vegans but I want my beef fat back in my fry grease! I no longer eat there- not that I did very much to start with.
I work for the government so I know exactly how it works, but hey I'm glad you feel better having attempted to make me look stupid. Your ego is welcome.
You sound angry, Bill. You'll complain when Obama IS doing something and complain when he isn't. Which one is it, guy? Does the President need to do something about this, does he need to do something opposite of this, or should he just sit at his desk all day playing Angry Birds?
Please name this planet you live on where one can buy an MRAP for 2k$. I'll take 5 just to make it an even 10k. That's all Hollywood accounting and you know it.
Oh. I call that thing the right click button cause it causes the context menu to pop up like a mouse does. But I'm old and evidently just don't know what good UI design is.
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Devil Jesus, as a mustachianado, I take great offense in linking the lip-hair-blessed population with those.....ugh.....villains. Isn't that a fine "How do you do?" Good day, sir. I SAID GOOD DAY! *twirls mustache and sachets away*
Everyone is arguing about that right there. You say he should have accepted it. I say he shouldn't have- at least not at that moment. That's one of those little things that gets saved until the next actual version is committed. Granted, that would have merely delayed the argument until that time most likely, but it could have also sparked an overall debate about the validity of it where management and the programmers could have came to a resolution and nailed down a policy. The way it went down now, well, you see the fallout.
Riiiiight. You wanna hate on the poster for objectifying women but evidently all you think a mom is good for is jerking her kid off. Your kind of talk is what makes everyone else ignore your causes and blow them off as unimportant.
Appropriate to the original post, not yours. I wasn't clear enough. You were not ad hommin'.
You've overanalyzed to the point of missing the obvious. He wasn't being sexist, he was calling the dude a super nerd virgin. The same type of insult like living in your mom's basement or Cheeto snorting, Mt Dew guzzling uber slob. Did you read the wall of text it was a response to? They were having a classic "vi vs emacs" style fight, in this case, Solaris vs SPARC, I think. You were correct about the technical deflections though. Someone on here says something about if you can't win, ad hominem. Seems appropriate to this post.
If Noord held a higher position on the chain of command, then he was correct in chiding him. We have structures for a reason.
You didn't fix shit, AC: They're dead, Jim, and it was killed by politicizing a commit. Fork it and forget it. goodbye.
If one is going to properly sanitize a statement, "you" can't be used. As a reader, *I* didn't kill shit, and it is antagonistic to suggest I did. Offensive even! See the stigma regarding "you people" or "those people".
My apologies, your quote is also from that same article. Well that just makes it worse. Now it's doublespeak.
I don't think your statement of
is an accurate interpretation. Mine may not be either, but both statements imply something deeper is going on and no one will come right out and say it. Your statement claims the problem is adherence to syntax. I thought this was a key value a programmer could have. A programmer who thinks like a machine and is OCD like a machine is someone you want. That code monkey will always, consistently always, dot their I's and cross their T's and will rarely get bitten by stupid shit like forgetting the semicolon. What I quoted says that they do care because he didn't "empathize" or find it to be a "concern". Empathizing is not taking a neutral stance, at least not the way I hear everyone use it.
As a nerd myself, I will say that pedantic dickweedery is a hallmark trait of ours. I will also now take the term "pedantic dickweedery" and add it to my lexicon. Douchebaggery has been taken up by the hipsters and has become mainstream. Ironic isn't it!
I prefer to use "the luser" for three reasons: One) I am immature and find it funny. Two) It is a staple term I learned at a young age from my LUG and I've heard many of you here use it all the time. Three) As I said a post above, I am a shitty programmer so this reminds me that I am a luser too, so it keeps my arrogance in check.
That's why regardless of what the comments say or which code snippet they may be from, I delete them. The open source plugs, the attributions, the ascii art of the brogrammers cat, the ones that specifically tell me I'm not allowed to delete them because GNU_GPL v6004 license-- ALL of them. I also don't write any comments in my software. I am also a bad programmer.
I think he means it was a waste of said programmers time to sit there and rewrite all the docs to sanitize them instead of fixing an actual, real problem. Not the guy clicking accept/reject.
Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit. Technical decisions have practically dick to do with empathy. Every single time I have tried to add features to a product or system for "social" value I've been slapped the hell down. Technical decisions are based on 2 factors: Cost and Fitness for Purpose. The fitness is really just pointing back to profit since no one will buy a washing machine that can't wash. I'm not arguing anything about sexism or whatever. I could care less (but I won't because I do care a little) about which pronoun is used. And really does this whole thing not sound like it was completely a political bunch of spinning because "women in tech" is the big "thing" right now?
Also, do you smell that? That's hypocrisy right there. "We, this company, are making an overly broad generalization about people who make overly broad generalizations and wish to state that we don't condone overly broad generalizations. Those making overly broad generalizations shall be sacked." What I want to know is when and where the corporate-wide seppuku party will be so I can go watch.
How about those guys and gals get back to making java not suck so bad.
How is America's left hand drive a non-optimal solution? That implies LHD is superior. Having driven both styles, I must say there appears to be no difference because most aspects are mirrored. You still sit in the middle of the road just on a different side. Swapping shifting hands and not turning on your wipers to signal a turn are the only parts most have to relearn if they swap styles often.
The power plugs? I hate them both, but have no better solution. Euro 220V plugs are entirely too big though.
50vs60Hz? Seems a matter of preference to me though I'm sure back in the day it was chosen to reduce competition from imports. Save with PAL vs NTSC.
Metric....can we not just swap over already? I personally hate the celcuis temp scale, but I'll adapt eventually.
The overall theme and content of the post though I can't agree with more.
Their fries have been garbage around here ever since they went to that "healthy" no trans fat oil. I'm sorry Indians & Vegans but I want my beef fat back in my fry grease! I no longer eat there- not that I did very much to start with.
I work for the government so I know exactly how it works, but hey I'm glad you feel better having attempted to make me look stupid. Your ego is welcome.
With the very visible actions of America's police force, perhaps I, as a citizen, should get the same deal. Just sayin...
That DID NOT stop GW Bush from being elected, did it?
You sound angry, Bill. You'll complain when Obama IS doing something and complain when he isn't. Which one is it, guy? Does the President need to do something about this, does he need to do something opposite of this, or should he just sit at his desk all day playing Angry Birds?
Please name this planet you live on where one can buy an MRAP for 2k$. I'll take 5 just to make it an even 10k. That's all Hollywood accounting and you know it.
Your statement implies that the police are not police by their own volition. I didn't know we had mandatory police duty. I'm late!
Oh. I call that thing the right click button cause it causes the context menu to pop up like a mouse does. But I'm old and evidently just don't know what good UI design is.
Pray tell, what is a hamburger button?
That should sell billions just for the l33t amount of steampunkiness!