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How the Rollout of 5G Will Change Everything
mrspoonsi writes The global race is on to develop 5G, the fifth generation of mobile network. While 5G will follow in the footsteps of 4G and 3G, this time scientists are more excited. They say 5G will be different — very different. "5G will be a dramatic overhaul and harmonization of the radio spectrum," says Prof Rahim Tafazolli who is the lead at the UK's multimillion-pound government-funded 5G Innovation Centre at the University of Surrey. To pave the way for 5G the ITU is comprehensively restructuring the parts of the radio network used to transmit data, while allowing pre-existing communications, including 4G and 3G, to continue functioning. 5G will also run faster, a lot faster. Prof Tafazolli now believes it is possible to run a wireless data connection at an astounding 800Gbps — that's 100 times faster than current 5G testing. A speed of 800Gbps would equate to downloading 33 HD films — in a single second. Samsung hopes to launch a temporary trial 5G network in time for 2018's Winter Olympic Games.
If we go by when 4G finally arrives (still not deployed in the US)...
The summary reminded me of this prophetic gem: http://www.theonion.com/articl...
Some people die at 25 and aren't buried until 75. -Benjamin Franklin
33 indictments in one second! Woohoo!
...if I could even get that at my house. All this tech is great if you live in or near a metro area, but for us saps in the sticks, we get the leftovers. At best I get 3G at 50% signal if I'm sitting in my living room. Moreover, it's metered so all this bandwidth is useless as it just means I use up my data allowance that much quicker.
The 5G network will have a coverage map showing the entire U.S. red, and won't work in my condo. And if you're willing to take that bet, I also have a lease available for a toll booth on the Brooklyn Bridge.
No mention in the article of what changes are happening on the technical level. Is "5G" still LTE based and just the next highest revision? That was LTE was supposed to be, it's acronym means "Long Term Evolution". And the mention of keeping 3G/4G online alongside it seems counter-intuitive since the older tech (especially 2G/3G) seems like it's far less efficient with spectrum than even LTE is.
Considering we here in the states barely have nationwide 4G coverage and most of us are working with 2-10GB per month maybe it's a little early to get excited on being able to use that up in a matter of seconds rather than minutes.
Psh... 5 blades is so 2010. I have dollar shave club and I get 6, count em 6, blades plus an aloe strip.
especially the black hole in coverage only a few miles from the University of Surrey, Guildford. I'm a town only 8 miles from there and am lucky to get one bar of phone signal (O2, EE and 3). As for 3G Data? Yeah right. In your dreams.
We'll be able to blow through our monthly data caps in 1 minute!
Who cares when your artificially and ridiculously low data cap is exceeded in 5 minutes?
800 Gbps = 100 GB/s = 4 Blu-ray movies per second.
Aren't carrieres already calling LTE and 4G+, etc 5G? Since it seems like 5G is such a dramatic improvement, should it have an entirely new name? A la Intel's move away from the x86 lines of processors?
the aloe strip is there to accelerate the clogging of your rasor
A speed of 800Gbps would equate to downloading 33 HD films â" in a single second
In other new, Sony, Universal, and the rest of the MAFIAA have sued Tafazolli, the University of Surrey, Samsung and the ITU for "contributory copyright infringment".
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Today TelecomX has announced that 5G Spcl has been rolled out to their customers, to compete PhoneY's Real 5G service.
A company spokemans said "While customers will need to upgrade their phones to take advantage of this, and it will still be slower than actual 5G in other countries, it will be modestly faster current 4G LTE and True4G services. And much like those services, once we've convinced everyone that it is 5G, eventually we'll sell an even better offering that's even closer to the actual 5G standard, but not yet there."
Prof Rahim Tafazolli who is the lead at the UK's multimillion-pound government-funded 5G Innovation Centre
That's heavy, doc.
It's almost as if I've heard this all before, twice in-fact.
As long as OFCOM leaves the ham bands alone I couldn't give a flying fornication.
Canadian here. I'm still stuck with the 3G.
All those nice coverage maps show voice and doesnt include data. Rural areas have no native Internet providers, so often if they do have Internet its hauled in by microwave. I know this, the town my mother retired in shares brings in data so Verizon can vpn over it and provide data to the school and public libarary. It was great, verizon put in a tower and we had 4g and voice. But with people moving more into rual areas to retire, the bandwidth hasnt kept up with the usage, so now its down to voice only.
The thing that really pisses me off, is we have underground power and smart meters to all these rural homes, but no internet over power. Even slow speed would be better than the dial up they use now.
This sounds like an engineering project to me.
yea, you can totally download a single hd movie in that second before they cap your speed at 3g.
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So how long until Comcast starts sending out the lawyers to prevent this harmful technology?
Which is barely scraping by with 3G in most places. 4G is a bullshit fantasy and if you're a Sprint customer there's always sticking your head out the window and screaming if you want to actually reach someone with a bandwidth higher than smoke signals.
A speed of 800Gbps would equate to downloading 33 HD films â" in a single second. Samsung hopes to launch a temporary trial 5G network in time for 2018's Winter Olympic Games
I will be retired at that time, sadly! That means my activities will be of no consequence at all. That's not good. Can't they do it sooner?
I kind of got the impression most things being called 4G weren't even properly that.
So now we'll have a rollout of something called 5G which isn't?
Know what I expect? We won't see faster, we won't suddenly see a lot of additional bandwidth. For promotional purposes it's fast and awesome ... and for practical purposes the carriers will scale it back because they're incapable of selling you what they will claim it to be.
I simply don't believe the carriers will be able to deploy what this thing could be theoretically. All they'll do it repackage the same shitty service and charge extra for it, while crying poor about how they can't keep up with the bandwidth demands.
Because telcos are lying, greedy bastards who put more effort into marketing than quality of their product.
They've been telling us how awesome their network speeds are for over a decade. And they've been unwilling to live up to that the entire time.
Case in point: Unlimited data plans, which are so much marketing bullshit it's not funny.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
We already see operators limiting to 1GB / month in 4G, I do not hope them to act differently in 5G. So it will be fast the first few seconds of the month...
Source?
"...equate to downloading 33 HD films "
And then the likes of Lefts-corp can sue you for a couple billions in damages for each of those 33 films :P
Still putzing along on 3G. Could care less about 5G, as Telco contract lockins will be required, and I'm not budging. I'd say 90% of my data usage is done over available wifi at site locations anyways. Higher speeds, throughput, would be nice, but it isn't worth the cost.
Plus, my free time is spent in rural areas, where 4G and LTE barely exist. But coverage isn't important, only throughput, right?
I can't speak for anyone else here, but I certainly can't watch even one HD movie on my phone, with the 4 GB plan for which I'm grossly overcharged by Verizon. There's absolutely no incentive in the US for carriers to change their tune played to their captive audience. Great, with 5G I can get shit service that much faster.
I'll just wait for 6G. Or maybe 7G.
I really don't need to talk any faster.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
800bps (call it 1600Ghz, using Shannon) is in the Far Infrared to (barely) mid infrared spectrum, and that's just base-band signaling (from a point-like source.) Doing any kind of modulation (to allow multiple channels for multiple simultaneous transmissions) is going to put that more firmly in the mid-infrared spectrum where things like the atmosphere appears to be opaque. I realize that this is a mass-media article, and depends on "... and then magic will happen" sort of science, but I don't see how this works (much less scales) without excessive speculation using ancient undergraduate digital communications classes too far.
But, to speculate WITH ancient undergraduate digital communications classes, I would think of things like this:
"A speed of 800Gbps would equate to downloading 33 HD films — in a single second."
At Verizon's cost of 15 dollars per 1 GB (when you go over your data plan), 5G could then theoretically cost you 1500 dollars per second.
The Internet King? I wonder if he could provide faster nudity.
. . . at maybe $1 each to own and do whatever I want with, and I might actually pay for them.
You can tell me theoretical speeds any time you want, I don't care. What I do care about is real world speed when there's more than 1 person connected AND how small a bandwidth cap will the big telcos will give you.
Skip a generation or two:
I skipped from 10Mbs to 1000Mbs in my home network infrastructure.
Saves a lot of money in the long run...
I am on 3G now, i am going to wait till 6G comes out, plus it will work with the my shiny new cyber-brain chip...
Ericsson predict that 5G's latency will be around one millisecond - unperceivable to a human and about 50 times faster than 4G.
Love to see how that's going to work when your destination is on the other side of the planet. The speed of light is only 300,000 km/s or 300 km/millisecond.
It's from the very first episode of SNL.
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/7...
Better known as 318230.
I still have no cell phone coverage at my house...I live in New York State...can I at least get coverage at my house...
neorush
Samsung hopes to launch a temporary trial 5G network in time for 2018's Winter Olympic Games.
At which point Verizon will just be getting VoLTE rolled out completely.....
"An academic reactor or reactor plant almost always has the following basic characteristics: (1) It is simple. (2) It is small. (3) It is cheap. (4) It is light. (5) It can be built very quickly. (6) It is very flexible in purpose (“omnibus reactor”). (7) Very little development is required. It will use mostly “off-the-shelf” components. (8) The reactor is in the study phases. It is not being built now.
On the other hand, a practical reactor plant can be distinguished by the following characteristics: (1) It is being built now. (2) It is behind schedule. (3) It is requiring an immense amount of development on apparently trivial items. Corrosion, in particular, is a problem. (4) It is very expensive. (5) It takes a long time to build because of the engineering development problems. (6) It is large. (7) It is heavy. (8) It is complicated. "
The last I read (years ago) 4G was a broken standard. This is part of the reason why some carriers now call their service "4G LTE", and it was following in the steps of the 3G standard being broken by the carriers late in it's life cycle.
If the term "4G" essentially means nothing now, why will "5G" be any different?
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/7...
How about the ability to make a reliable phone call first?
"When Samsung announced in 2013 it was testing 5G at 1Gbps, journalists excitedly reported that would mean an HD film could be downloaded in a second. "
One Gb might hold about 1/10 of an ordinary film, not HD. I have films that purport to be HD which take about 1GB (Bytes, not bits), but they are poor quality. 4GB is a good size for a decent film experience. Considering overhead, it might take 40 seconds at the speed quoted above.
The BBC article is disappointing. More like tabloid spectacle than sober news.
...omphaloskepsis often...
A speed of 800Gbps would equate to downloading 33 HD films â" in a single second.
I've never seen a $10,000 phone bill.
Separately but related, how much will the existing cell providers need to invest to upgrade their systems to 5G?
Also separately but related, will this make wired internet and cable (copper or fiber) obsolete?
Well, many video players are auto resolution tuning
Then look for a setting to limit the maximum resolution.
If your service does not allow manually limiting resolution, limit the application's data rate in your operating system's firewall or subscribe to a competing service that allows limiting resolution. If your favorite show is exclusive to a service that uses only automatic resolution tuning and to devices whose operating system is incapable of limiting an installed application's data rate, become a fan of a different show.
Keeping the blades dry is the key to long life. Microrust of the edge is what dulls them. A humid bathroom is not a good environment for blades. http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-...
I kind of got the impression most things being called 4G weren't even properly that.
The carriers tried to be honest about Long Term Evolution by marketing it as "4G Lite", but somehow the 'i' got dropped along the way.
Digital comms is soulless and overrated anyway. It doesn't have the warmth, vibrancy or resonance of analogue.
That's because carriers have for years been using low-bitrate voice codecs for calls headed to or from the public switched telephone network. When voices are compressed too small, they start to sound robotic like the "Another visitor" guy from the game Impossible Mission. If you use a wideband VoIP app like Skype, there won't be quite as much compression. This gives you back quite a bit of the vibrancy that you had with land lines and lost since GSM.
Make a best effort to deliver the traffic, accept that the demand exceeds the supply, and drop packets as needed to avoid excessive queuing. TCP congestion handling will either fix the problem or drop the connection. Users may not be happy about the performance, but there's no need to gouge them just because they were too close to a popular tower.
If you are asking about how to handle one user starving out everyone else, then some basic QoS can solve this too. Define QoS tiers based on amount of data used over a recent period. As data usage goes up, the user drops into progressively lower tiers. Eventually, heavy users fall into a tier where they only get service if no one else needs it. Tower bandwidth is more limited than wireline bandwidth, but both of them are so cheap on a per-byte basis that leaving capacity unused (or encouraging users to leave it unused by gouging them for using it) is wasteful.
I'm with Rogers (Canada) and I'm usually on their LTE network (Rogers LTE). As per the wiki, the theoretical speed is 150Mbit/s, but similar to what the article notes, when I run speed test I typically get ~14Mbit/s depending on the time of day.
I'm not that excited about any "new generation" 4G or whatever, as this is more than fast enough for my daily needs when I'm not on WiFi.
By the time the technology is productized and delivered to the consumer in the US it's going to be some bastardized architecture that delivers "just good enough" service. Telecom is not in the business of delivering more value for less money, so expect the added benefits you get to be proportional to the additional amount consumers will be paying.
except perhaps it will push down data-plan costs a little. But right now, people are capped by their data plans so having all those gigabits is basically worthless.
-Matt
...as for all the DSP the 5G would need (constant beam forming and 2GHz BW) you'd need one hell of a battery. The good thing is that @62GHz band you'd always have to be within few meters of a power plug as RF does not propagate far (water absorption).
"5G will be a dramatic overhaul and harmonisation of the radio spectrum," - really? How?
4wdloop
quick someone dig up the "it will change everything" articles about 4G
Just another second banana
the roaming charges you could rack up!
This time the telecoms have a new tool to help them upgrade their networks...
Kickstarter!!!!!
This is correct. Essentially we have the equivalent of hydraulic despotism going on. These companies have created a choke point in a resource critical to 21st century life, and artificially limited it to make money off the populace.
I for one, welcome our Data Despot Overlords.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
From Wikipedia:
Terahertz radiation occupies a middle ground between microwaves and infrared light waves, and technology for generating and manipulating it is in its infancy, and is the subject of research. This lack of technology is called the terahertz gap. It represents the region in the electromagnetic spectrum that the frequency of electromagnetic radiation becomes too high to be measured by digitally counting cycles using electronic counters, and must be measured by the proxy properties of wavelength and energy. Similarly, in this frequency range the generation and modulation of coherent electromagnetic signals ceases to be possible by the conventional electronic devices used to generate radio waves and microwaves, and requires new devices and techniques.
Why do we need 800Gbps on a cellphone? Or even 100Gbps?
So I can download an app in 560 microseconds? I do not see the point. What possible use case is there for that much bandwidth, even if data caps went away (yeah right)..There is only so much you can do with a mobile device.
Does it matter if I download an HD movie in 30mS instead of 400mS? Or even if I download a 4k movie in a fraction of a second, its still kinda pointless.
Now I am fully aware that 640k is actually not enough memory for anybody, but come on guys, what sort of need would we really have for 800Gbps on a cellphone or tablet? There reaches a point where the returns diminish beyond human perception.
pfft, 5 blades? Meet the 16 blade razor http://youtu.be/YleuLyCUx28
How fast will transfer rates be when you only have one or two bars' worth of signal? If they're using a higher modulation bandwidth to get that higher data rate that's one thing; but if they're stuffing more data into the same occupied bandwidth then the Bit Error Rate could start climbing really fast once the signal level starts to drop.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
Your phone will have battery life of 18 seconds and will have a surface temperature of 245C.
The alternative to limited government is unlimited government.
It doesn't matter how many "Generations" you have as long as data caps exist.
... metropolitan coverage of the technologies that are supposed to be available right now.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
So we will see 800 Gbps and have quotas of 1Gb/month then....
Where I live the quotas are going down. You have to pay more to get less data now than 2 years ago. 4G means lower quota than 3G.
If this continues we will have tremendous bandwith in 5G but no possibility to use it...
So what, you still have a data cap, REAL progress is NO data caps.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
How much of 4G is '3G with 4G lipstick'? A fair amount, sadly.
I think 5G will yield the same result for a long time (4G with lipstick or perhaps even 3G with lots of lipstick).
What the technology is theoretically capable and what the deployed hardware costing billions to replace with newer stuff will actually do is rather different.
We'll see full 5G in about 25 years.
I just moved my family to the Virgin "pick your plan" - 3 phones sharing a plan for about $30 total per month (with 250 minutes, limited text and data, but since everyone mostly uses wireless anyway...).
Naughty you.
I was peacefully harvesting comments via my RSS aggregator, and all of a sudden I laughed so much I had to abandon RSS and open a good old browser window to approve here.
Naughty you.
So we're talking carrier frequencies upwards of 2 THz?? And transistors etc with switching speeds that fast? All without dissipating kilowatts per device? ????
At the current typical rates of about $10/gb, the telecoms will be able to rake in huge profits.... or not.
It is not happening in exceptional Murca anytime soon.
Five blades on a razor is total hype and a waste of money. You need only one very good blade. Grow up and shave like a real man! Buy a good razor and learn how to use it.
I shave with an old-fashioned double-edge razor. Not an old razor - I bought it a couple of years ago. It's a Merkur 39D Slant. Yeah, it cost about 50 bucks, but it will be around to hand down to my great grandson. I also bought 100 of the best blades made for about 10 bucks.
Add a badger brush and a good quality shaving soap like Proraso or Haslinger, and you're set for a long, long time of baby butt smooth shaves.
How fast can the phone memory record? Are they inventing new processors for these phones? I have a hard time using my 1Gbps home internet/network connections... and that's pc to pc.
Could we include tower authentication (to prevent cell tower spoofing), end to end encryption (to prevent call interception), and end the practice of pinging the tower (to stop phone tracking) for this new version? If we need to build new hardware anyway we may as well fix the major bugs.
Analog NTSC was SDTV. It was 480i on paper, but interlaced signals have to be blurred a bit vertically in order to reduce field-to-field flicker, so in practice the usable detail of its 480 lines was closer to 320p to 360p. In addition, 16:9 content has to be padded on the top and bottom with black bars to fill 360 of the 480 picture lines, so in a way it was closer to 240p to 270p when displaying 16:9. (God help you if the picture is in 2.39:1 CinemaScope.) Finally, the signal was split into luma (0-3 MHz) and chroma (3-4.2 MHz), and by Nyquist's theorem combined with the 52.148 microsecond width of each NTSC scanline, the luma was good for about 3 * 52 * 2 = 312 pixels across. Enjoy your 320x240.
EDTV sends all scanlines in every frame, so you don't waste lines on flicker reduction. It's also more likely to be anamorphic, so you get full 480 lines even with 16:9 video, and even scope keeps 360 lines. Finally, 480p is always sent over a component connection (analog YPbPr, analog RGB, or digital RGB over DVI/HDMI), not composite, so there's no 3 MHz limit on luma.
My point is that LD/SD, ED, HD, full HD, and ultra HD are distinct targets.
Why I need 5G if I get charged 0.30 USD per 1 MB in 3G (Telcel "cheapest" rate)?
I have fear to open Trillian app in my Android phone and see how the prepaid credit wears out for the ad banners. Whatsapp eat my credit in a couple or hours. No wonder everybody seek Wifi spots like water in the desert.
stagnant for 10 years, your entire 2.5G bandwidth cap now only takes 25 msec to use up.
And that's why my bathroom has no water pipes to it....and they said I was crazy to do it.
Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
Grow up, be a man, and buy a straight razor.
Microrust of the edge is what dulls them.
Read that as "Microsoft on the edge is what dulls them" Figured Microsoft destroys everything, might as well destroy razors, too.
Of this giant bursts of speed with unlimited internets if you are going to get jacked up rates and constant throttling? I realize that innovation must slog forward, but 4G hasn't even been around for that long and prices haven't really settled as of yet. Now 5G and frankly more uncertainty.
I can barely get a signal within my own house. Will 5G improve that?
This prediction from the Onion is also relevant:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/ghost-of-christmas-future-taunts-children-with-vis,14/
And here I thought the key to keeping them sharp was storing them in a pyramid-shaped housing.
Unless you are streaming video, it is entirely moot anyway. So it will be good for Netflix and whatever competitors come out between now and then. The standard storage on a Smartphone is 16GB. I have a fairly large cap at 6GB/s. However even blowing through my cap, I will completely fill my phone pretty quickly. I have a Samsung with a 64GB chip it in, but even then, that will fill fairly quickly. For most people who get a smartphone, your getting 16GB, lets say in the "future" the standard is FINALLY increased to 32GB... Still very small compared to transmission speed.
So unless phone makers start putting larger memory into phones, or allowing chip add ins, or decoupling the price of the phone from the tiny inexpensive memory inside (LOL Apple yeah right!), it is largely a very moot exercise. At best, caps may increase slowly, and you will be able to stream higher resolution video content through your phone...
However coverage is another big issue, as if you can only use it in large urban centers, facing west, then the moon and Jupiter align, on a Tuesday, it isn't really "mobile" anyway. Getting LTE sometimes now seems like a small victory at times.
Real men don't shave.