What more do you need? I've wasted WAY too many hours with that thing!
I've even beat the Expert mode in 2:44. Anyone done better?
Re:Anything Python can do that PHP can't?
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I believe it can. I use mod_perl for Slash, and it works fine, but if you're not careful it consumes a horrendous amount of memory. On the plus side, it's a bit faster than PHP (unless you add the Zend optimizer) because Perl can cache psuedocompiled code in Apache.
For *most* web applications, i really believe PHP is the way to go. It strikes a good balance between performance, features, and memory usage.
Re:Anything Python can do that PHP can't?
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Agreed with previous replier. PHP is about as good as it gets in terms of database-driven Web apps. And Python CGIs wouldn't perform as well as PHP scripts, except maybe with mod_python, which I know nothing about.
I'd say learn python ONLY if you want to write standalone (non-web) apps or scripts, which it is quite good at. use the right tool for the job.
If I don't want to buy their junk, I won't buy it regardless of how slick they make the presentation.
Here's a novel idea: advertise something I WANT to buy (hint: not much) and provide a nice text link followed by a 200 or so character description of it!
ok, you're right. Then there are cases where people would legitimately want to be annonymous when asking for help or something. But is there any legitimate use for forged headers when trying to SELL something? You could ban the combo of forged headers and solicitations.
ok, I was thinking at first you were going to impose this on everyone at once!
True, laws would have limited effect if there were countries that didn't have such laws, but still, even if the mail was SENT from overseas, most of the crooks that actually COLLECT the money will have to be in the USA. International orders can get hairy. Not that it can't be done of course.... And even if you just shut down the ones actually IN the USA and other complying countries it would be worth something.
But why would you charge your friends to send you mail? I know, you said it would even out, but I don't think people would like that too much. And your 25 cents seems pretty steep. Even 5 cents would deter spammers, as that would add up quickly.
Then, again, there's listservs. We certainly don't want to ban those!
You're correct for the most part, but I think that if it was legitimized in ANY way, more legitimate businesses would get into the act and start spamming.
hmm, you might be right, but I *think* with a bit of creativity, a reasonable definition of harvesting can be determined.
What first comes to mind would be to have licenses or permits for people that are permitted to spider the web storing addresses, which would permit Google etc to get one, but admittedly that doesn't sound very palettable. Just a brainstorm.
Perhaps it's best simply to ban SELLING of such lists. I think a reasonable definition of that could be come up with easily. "The selling of any list of e-mail addresses obtained from 'spidering' web sites or newsgroups where neither party has any preexisting business relationship with the majority of the people listed" or something like that.
This may be one of the best legal solutions. Simply ban the "harvesting" of e-mail addresses from web pages and newsgroups and/or the selling of those addresses. Obviously, those things have no legitimate use, and are used only to send me crap that I don't want.
It would also be easy to catch people to prosecute them. Set up a web page that, when it's hit, generates an e-mail address, and logs that address along with the IP address and timestamp of when and from where that page was requested. When an e-mail comes to one of those addresses, get a little help from the ISP and you're well on your way to finding out who did it! Not just who sent it, but the scum that harvested the address!
Those people are the worst of all Internet citizens. If I was alone in a room with an e-mail harvester, and I had a baseball bat in my hand, it wouldn't be pretty.
That and banning ANY sender info or header forgery, require a valid mail or phone AND e-mail contact in all commercial e-mail, and I think the spam problem will be pretty much done. You might still get a few UCEs, but not the sheer quantity of stupid and annoying ones we get now.
> Obviously, this can be implemented with reasonable effort pretty quickly.
Do you have a clue how SMTP works? Doing something like this would drastically change the way everything is done! You have to modify mail clients and mail servers! ALL of them!
*Maybe* some kind of variation would be do-able -- like, you could set different payment threshholds for different (known) senders. Like, listservs and friends would be nothing. But it still seems like a bad idea.
I think the only thing that has any hope of working are laws, unfortunately. Just banning the obfuscation of sender info would go a LONG way. Also ban the selling of "harvested" e-mail addresses that would solely be used for spam, and possibly ban the act of harvesting itself.
There are how many millions of businesses in this country? And you're saying they should all have the right to send you their sales pitches by e-mail, but as long as you reply with "remove", they have to honor it?
You want to reply to 5 million e-mails with "remove" in the subject?
Were the first two DNS servers there before, with @Home?
I just ran/sbin/pump, and I was back up except for DNS. Leaving the first two servers in resolv.conf, it just hangs on DNS queries. When I take them out and just have the 12.* ones in, I get an immediate "host not found" response. Any ideas???
Not just yesterday. It's way more than doubled since September.
As for this kind of a price jump, normally I'd be tempted to buy short term puts in anticipation of a correction. But in this case it's genuinely good news that will help Red Hat. They're probably worth this much, and may well keep going up.
Have you checked out the SEUL Edu Project? I know at leas two guys from there were working on grade software a long time ago. I would immagine they have something by now. And probably other tracking software as well. Contact them if you haven't yet!
Network Solutions is BY FAR the WORST place to register a domain.
Their forms are confusing, even when you know exactly what you're doing. And that assumes you can find the right form in the first place -- even the list of them is confusing! Changing basic things like DNS servers is a nightmare.
Compare to Domain Maniac. It's a snap to change basic info -- you just log in and do it.
So on a purely technical basis, pretty much anything is better than NS.
Oh yeah, then there's the fact that DM charges less than half of what NS charges.
You know, you're probably right. Spam IS theft -- theft of service and time -- and should be treated as such.
I was raised thinking that sueing is "bad" and I have always detested the way many in our society are so litigeous. But spam is making me just mad enough that I think I'd be willing to jump in that game if there's any chance i could win.
I just downloaded SF 2.5 last week because a client wants a site based on it. I look at the project page now and for the last few days there have been no files there!
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What more do you need? I've wasted WAY too many hours with that thing!
I've even beat the Expert mode in 2:44. Anyone done better?
I believe it can. I use mod_perl for Slash, and it works fine, but if you're not careful it consumes a horrendous amount of memory. On the plus side, it's a bit faster than PHP (unless you add the Zend optimizer) because Perl can cache psuedocompiled code in Apache.
For *most* web applications, i really believe PHP is the way to go. It strikes a good balance between performance, features, and memory usage.
Agreed with previous replier. PHP is about as good as it gets in terms of database-driven Web apps. And Python CGIs wouldn't perform as well as PHP scripts, except maybe with mod_python, which I know nothing about.
I'd say learn python ONLY if you want to write standalone (non-web) apps or scripts, which it is quite good at. use the right tool for the job.
I looked at a prerelease and didn't see anything about that, although I thought I recalled reading about "issues" with it previously.
If I don't want to buy their junk, I won't buy it regardless of how slick they make the presentation.
Here's a novel idea: advertise something I WANT to buy (hint: not much) and provide a nice text link followed by a 200 or so character description of it!
AND put the list server itself on such a system so you have to pay a quarter to send a message. Should eliminate much of the junk on those. :-)
ok, you're right. Then there are cases where people would legitimately want to be annonymous when asking for help or something. But is there any legitimate use for forged headers when trying to SELL something? You could ban the combo of forged headers and solicitations.
ok, I was thinking at first you were going to impose this on everyone at once!
True, laws would have limited effect if there were countries that didn't have such laws, but still, even if the mail was SENT from overseas, most of the crooks that actually COLLECT the money will have to be in the USA. International orders can get hairy. Not that it can't be done of course.... And even if you just shut down the ones actually IN the USA and other complying countries it would be worth something.
But why would you charge your friends to send you mail? I know, you said it would even out, but I don't think people would like that too much. And your 25 cents seems pretty steep. Even 5 cents would deter spammers, as that would add up quickly.
Then, again, there's listservs. We certainly don't want to ban those!
You're correct for the most part, but I think that if it was legitimized in ANY way, more legitimate businesses would get into the act and start spamming.
hmm, you might be right, but I *think* with a bit of creativity, a reasonable definition of harvesting can be determined.
What first comes to mind would be to have licenses or permits for people that are permitted to spider the web storing addresses, which would permit Google etc to get one, but admittedly that doesn't sound very palettable. Just a brainstorm.
Perhaps it's best simply to ban SELLING of such lists. I think a reasonable definition of that could be come up with easily. "The selling of any list of e-mail addresses obtained from 'spidering' web sites or newsgroups where neither party has any preexisting business relationship with the majority of the people listed" or something like that.
This may be one of the best legal solutions. Simply ban the "harvesting" of e-mail addresses from web pages and newsgroups and/or the selling of those addresses. Obviously, those things have no legitimate use, and are used only to send me crap that I don't want.
It would also be easy to catch people to prosecute them. Set up a web page that, when it's hit, generates an e-mail address, and logs that address along with the IP address and timestamp of when and from where that page was requested. When an e-mail comes to one of those addresses, get a little help from the ISP and you're well on your way to finding out who did it! Not just who sent it, but the scum that harvested the address!
Those people are the worst of all Internet citizens. If I was alone in a room with an e-mail harvester, and I had a baseball bat in my hand, it wouldn't be pretty.
That and banning ANY sender info or header forgery, require a valid mail or phone AND e-mail contact in all commercial e-mail, and I think the spam problem will be pretty much done. You might still get a few UCEs, but not the sheer quantity of stupid and annoying ones we get now.
And what would happen to listservs???
> Obviously, this can be implemented with reasonable effort pretty quickly.
Do you have a clue how SMTP works? Doing something like this would drastically change the way everything is done! You have to modify mail clients and mail servers! ALL of them!
*Maybe* some kind of variation would be do-able -- like, you could set different payment threshholds for different (known) senders. Like, listservs and friends would be nothing. But it still seems like a bad idea.
I think the only thing that has any hope of working are laws, unfortunately. Just banning the obfuscation of sender info would go a LONG way. Also ban the selling of "harvested" e-mail addresses that would solely be used for spam, and possibly ban the act of harvesting itself.
There are how many millions of businesses in this country? And you're saying they should all have the right to send you their sales pitches by e-mail, but as long as you reply with "remove", they have to honor it?
You want to reply to 5 million e-mails with "remove" in the subject?
Sorry, try again.
> And the "no server" rule is in the top four FAQs.
:-) Not that it matters, with the new dynamic addresses, servers are somewhat less useful. :-(
Correct, but my Port 80 still isn't being blocked.
we're not ready yet, but something like this is one thing we're hoping to do with Geeks4Christ.
:-) But if anyone is interested, feel free to e-mail me.
Now if only we were organized and had some projects going...
Yep, I just had to type /sbin/pump and I was back up, except for DNS.
Now I'm using another DNS server and it seems to be fine!
Were the first two DNS servers there before, with @Home?
/sbin/pump, and I was back up except for DNS. Leaving the first two servers in resolv.conf, it just hangs on DNS queries. When I take them out and just have the 12.* ones in, I get an immediate "host not found" response. Any ideas???
I just ran
My static IP still works.
:-(
Gaa. this will blow if I have to switch to dhcp.
This is strange. I can access most of the Net, but not my co-located server or anything in its data center.
But if I ssh into another box somewhere else, I can get to my server from there!
I'm on AT&T @Home. What the heck??????
Not just yesterday. It's way more than doubled since September.
As for this kind of a price jump, normally I'd be tempted to buy short term puts in anticipation of a correction. But in this case it's genuinely good news that will help Red Hat. They're probably worth this much, and may well keep going up.
Have you checked out the SEUL Edu Project? I know at leas two guys from there were working on grade software a long time ago. I would immagine they have something by now. And probably other tracking software as well. Contact them if you haven't yet!
Network Solutions is BY FAR the WORST place to register a domain.
Their forms are confusing, even when you know exactly what you're doing. And that assumes you can find the right form in the first place -- even the list of them is confusing! Changing basic things like DNS servers is a nightmare.
Compare to Domain Maniac. It's a snap to change basic info -- you just log in and do it.
So on a purely technical basis, pretty much anything is better than NS.
Oh yeah, then there's the fact that DM charges less than half of what NS charges.
You know, you're probably right. Spam IS theft -- theft of service and time -- and should be treated as such.
I was raised thinking that sueing is "bad" and I have always detested the way many in our society are so litigeous. But spam is making me just mad enough that I think I'd be willing to jump in that game if there's any chance i could win.
> while the open source code was available.
Is it really *supposed* to be gone!!?
I just downloaded SF 2.5 last week because a client wants a site based on it. I look at the project page now and for the last few days there have been no files there!
Glad I got it when I did!
Interesting. Couple things:
1. This eliminates the original connection from the spammer's box itself, right? So there is very little bandwidth used in even an ATTEMPTED spam?
2. Is it easy to port to Postfix? (I just run Postfix, am not a guru...)