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Volunteer Work Abroad?

MKalus asks: "Looking at what is going on in the world right now and realizing that computers are not everything (yes, there is more than that) I was considering for quite some time now volunteering in an international project. I was looking at institutions like Casa Alianza and Doctors Without Borders but the problem I am facing is that all of these organizations mainly seem to search for volunteers in medical fields and not so much in High Tech Areas. This is, of course, understandable as I don't really think anybody needs a server farm if they don't have enough to eat at the end of the day." Update: 12/03 15:19 GMT by C :MKalus has been reading the comments sent in so far, but had this bit to add: "I am NOT from the US, I am german living in Canada, as such things like the Peace Corps for example are not a viable option."

"Now I am aware of several organisations where you can go for two weeks in a developing country and help on a farm etc. I also remember the Geekcorps but as nice as it sounds to bring the internet in parts of the world who don't have it I don't quite see the sense in it when at the same time thousands of people die everyday.

So here's the question: Is there a geek out there who managed to volunteer for a longer period (6 months to a year or maybe even longer) in a project abroad, something along the lines of those I've mentioned abobe?"

225 comments

  1. start your own by edwarddes · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    if you cant find an existing organization that fits your needs, why not start your own? im sure there are plenty of fellow geeks here who would love to join somthing just like what your looking for.

    1. Re:start your own by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think i recall an "ask slashdot" on this. here is the url for geekcorps

  2. One Step At A Time by rbrander · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You aren't really specific about whether you most want to help in places in need (in which, yes, you'll surely have to pick some other contribution than I.T.) or just go abroad with the talents you've got.

    Many commentators say the best bang for the 1st world's development bucks will come from helping nations that are hurting but are also developing - to help tip the balance towards upward progress.

    In which case, I think you don't even have to travel far. Learn Spanish and do some travelling south of the Rio Grande and I think you'll find Mexico and other latin american countries are in endless need of teachers and NGO office volunteers that know their way around a computer.

  3. geekcorps by Barrow_Boy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    what about www.geekcorps.org. i am sure this was covered on slashdot a few months back. are we going mad?

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  4. doctors won't really help in these cases either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    >I don't really think anybody needs a server farm
    >if they don't have enough to eat at the end of
    >the day.

    They don't need a doctor at this point either.
    What they needed was either farming in the last
    growing season, and/or a transportation infrastructure, together with whatever economic means would have been require to make all that happen.

    By the time widespread hunger sets into a place,
    there's sadly not much to be done.

    Have you considered the Peace Corps? You could
    at least work in commo, if that's geeky enough for you.

    1. Re:doctors won't really help in these cases either by skbenolkin · · Score: 1

      Have you considered the Peace Corps?

      The only problem with that is that you're officially under the thumb of the U.S. State Department, which can lead to some real ethical frustrations.

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      "Frederick, is God dead?" --Sojourner Truth
    2. Re:doctors won't really help in these cases either by ArizonaBay · · Score: 1

      I have been considering joining the Peace Corps. Could you please elaborate more about these "ethical frustrations" ?

    3. Re:doctors won't really help in these cases either by raju1kabir · · Score: 2
      The only problem with that is that you're officially under the thumb of the U.S. State Department, which can lead to some real ethical frustrations.

      Like what? I'm genuinely curious. Do you imagine the CIA is blackmailing Peace Corps volunteers into assassinating village chiefs?

      I know dozens of returned volunteers, and I've spent time at Peace Corps houses around Africa and Asia. I also work across the street from Peace Corps HQ here in DC and lunch with some folk occasionally.

      In all this time, I've heard a fair range of complaints - inappropriate training, muddled project objectives, stultifying bureaucracy, etc., but never anything like you suggest. The Peace Corps has a robust institutional personality and is not particularly cowed by State Dept foibles.

      For that matter, I'm not sure what flavor of ethical frustrations you're talking about, but as a fairly liberal person who's worked in the State Dept as well as a range of other departments and agencies, I can assure you that State is well left of the overall Federal center of gravity.

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    4. Re:doctors won't really help in these cases either by ainsoph · · Score: 1

      Interesting. When I was in Nepal I heard from Peace Corps workers that the CIA were involved with certain aspects. I forgot about that, but you saying you had never heard of it before. So I did a little checking:

      http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/18/spies.journalists/

      and here:

      The CIA's use of journalists, clergy, and Peace Corps

      Notes from July 17, 1996 hearing of the Senate Intelligence
      Committee. Not verbatim, the gist.

      Witnesses:

      Sen. Paul Coverdell, R-Ga., former Peace Corps director

      John M. Deutch, director of central intelligence

      Public witnesses:

      Terry Anderson

      Ken Adelman

      Morton Zuckerman

      Ted Koppel

      National Association of Evangelicals

      Maryknoll Sisters

      Church World Service

      Senators present at beginning of hearing: Arlen Specter (R-Pa..,
      chairman), Bob Kerrey (D- Neb.), and John Glenn (D-Ohio)

      Senator Specter:

      The CIA's use of journalists has been a collateral issue in the recent
      commission reports on U.S. intelligence. The House voted in its
      intelligence authorization bill that there must be a presidential
      waiver before the intelligence agencies might use journalists, clergy
      or Peace Corps. The Senate has not yet voted. The issue is before
      Congress.

      Among the suggestions before Congress:

      Let the president decide, as he must now for covert action.

      Let the director of the CIA decide.

      Limit the exemption to a specific period of time.

      A national-security waiver.

      I am concerned that this discussion gives publicity to the issue.

      Our first witness will be Senator Paul Coverdell, a former director
      of the Peace Corps. I asked the Peace Corps to send a witness but
      they are not coming.

      Senator Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.): We are uncomfortable discussing
      publicly sources and methods of intelligence. In any event, I don't
      see why any professor, any American patriot should be prohibited
      from working for their country.

      Senator John Glenn (D-Ohio): In some situations, you can't send a
      satellite, you need human intelligence. I see that as an individual
      choice. I wouldn't rule it in or out.

      Testimony of Senator Coverdell:

      The committee should put the Peace Corps aside. It should not be
      used for intelligence.

      It is dangerous for volunteers to be in the context of the CIA. The
      former CIA was not allowed to use them.

      I was director of the Peace Corps during the Bush administration.
      We entered Eastern Europe. Solidarity asked, Are the volunteers
      CIA?

      It would raise doubts across the entire Corps. It would put the
      volunteers at risk. We lost a volunteer in Bolivia because they said
      he was DEA. We need to ratify an exemption for the safety of the
      Corps. It should be a separate facility.

      By letter dated April 2, 1984 the permanent ineligibility of
      volunteers to join the CIA is established. They are ineligible to join
      any other intelligence agency for ten years after the end of their
      service. This can be greater than ten years, if the general counsel so
      determines.

      Senator Specter said that Mr. Deutch was in favor of the exception
      from the blanket ban if:

      1. It could save the lives of hostages

      2. There was a terrorist threat

      Senator Coverdell said there could be no exceptions because it
      would undermine the whole thing. Given the large size of the
      existing intelligence community, exceptions were not necessary.

      Senator Specter asked whether the prohibition worked to protect
      the volunteers.

      Senator Coverdell replied that it did. Their safety has been a
      concern since the inception of the Peace Corps. They are without
      assets. If you violate their exemption from intelligence involvement
      at any one point, you have done it across the board.

      Written testimony of John M. Deutch, director of central
      intelligence. [His oral statement was similar.]

      Mr. Chairman, I appear this morning at your request to explain the
      policy of the Central Intelligence Agency concerning possible use
      of American journalists, American clergy or the Peace Corps.

      As you know, Mr. Chairman, I am uneasy discussing potential
      intelligence sources in public session, even in general fashion, but I
      can make a general statement on this very sensitive issue.

      Simply put, CIA's policy is not to use journalists accredited to
      American news organizations, their parent organizations, American
      clergy or the Peace Corps for intelligence purposes. This includes
      any use of such organizations for cover.

      This policy has been in place for 20 years. Recently at the request
      of this Committee, I reviewed the policy to determine whether it
      was both appropriate and sufficiently circumscribed.

      As I told the Committee when this issue was raised with me, my
      sympathy is on the side of no intelligence use of American
      journalists or clergy. I strongly believe in the independence of our
      free press and in the division between government and the church.
      That is why I have stated publicly that I have no intention of using
      either American journalists or clergy for intelligence purposes.
      Further, as this Committee knows, I have found no circumstances
      while Director of Central Intelligence that would cause me to do
      either.

      But, Mr. Chairman, as the Director of Central Intelligence I must
      be in a position to assure the President and the members of his
      National Security Council that there will never come a time when
      the United States cannot ask a witting citizen to assist in combating
      an extreme threat to the nation. So, I, like my predecessors, have
      arrived at the conclusion that the Agency should not be prohibited
      from considering the use of American journalists or clergy. I am
      able to imagine circumstances, Mr. Chairman, in which the lives of
      American hostages depended upon particular knowledge only a
      journalist might have or obtain. I can foresee the possibility of a
      terrorist group attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction in a
      crowded urban area where both the President and the nation would
      look to the Agency to use all possible means to detect and deter
      such an event. Under either of those scenarios, I believe it
      unreasonable to foreclose the witting use of any likely source of
      information.

      Now critics of this decision might well say that these are far-
      fetched examples in which the possible confluence of highly
      improbable circumstances is fanciful at best. Unfortunately recent
      history has shown us that the threat in these scenarios is real. I do
      not believe that as Director of Central Intelligence I can gamble that
      future sources of critical information will come only from
      predictable sources. Nothing in my 14 months in this job supports
      that kind of a judgment.

      Having decided that I should allow the possibility of exceptional
      waivers, I looked carefully at the guidelines which governed such
      waivers. I found them restrictive but nonspecific. I therefore issued
      new policy guidelines which set out several specific tests that must
      be satisfied before the Director or Deputy Director may consider a
      waiver. Those guidelines have been made available to both
      intelligence committees. They are classified and I am available to
      discuss them in any detail the Committee may desire in closed
      session, but I want to state that the guidelines require prompt as
      well as periodic notification of the intelligence committees.

      Let me repeat. These guidelines allow for the possibility of a
      waiver, but they do not compel or encourage such waivers. I have
      not changed my view that it would take extremely rare, indeed
      highly improbable circumstances to change my predilection against
      any waiver of our policy not to use journalists or clergy for
      intelligence purposes.

      There is one other aspect of this question that deserves comment in
      this public session, which is who ought to be the official entrusted
      with the responsibility of deciding whether to waive this policy. I
      considered whether the President ought to be the decision maker. In
      the end, we decided such decisions should remain with the
      Director. The Director is the official entrusted with running
      intelligence operations. The Director ought to be responsible for
      this operational, albeit extremely important decision in the rare
      situation where it might be contemplated. If the Director fails to
      give the matter proper attention or judgment, the Director can be
      overruled or even fired by his boss, the President.

      Let me return to the Peace Corps. Here too, our policy is not to use
      Peace Corps personnel for intelligence purposes. This has not
      changed, and here any waiver could occur under even more
      circumscribed circumstances.

      Lastly, I would like to close by commenting on the Richardson
      amendment adopted by the House. The Richardson amendment
      requires that the President decide any waiver on the intelligence use
      of an American journaiist. As I have said, I believe that this
      decision ought to rest with the Director. The Richardson
      amendment also excludes cases of voluntary cooperation between
      the Agency and a particular journalist. This is important because
      we would never contempiate a relationship without the witting and
      willing cooperation of the individual involved.

      Mr. Chairman, that completes my statement. I am happy to answer
      any questions you may have that are appropriate for this public
      hearing, and, of course, I will be pleased to provide any details you
      require in closed session.

      Q and A

      Senator Specter said that the committee could pursue the issue of
      the guidelines in closed session.

      Senator Specter noted that the House by a vote of 417-6 provided
      that intelligence agencies not use accredited journalists or those
      officially recognized by the host government as U.S. journalists.
      The president may waive this prohibition if there is a presidential
      certification to the intelligence committees.

      This would not prohibit voluntary cooperation.

      The Senate has not yet considered this issue.

      You propose that it be the director of central intelligence who
      makes this decision?

      Mr. Deutch: The director or the deputy director. No one below.

      Senator Specter: This would include the Peace Corps?

      Mr. Deutch: The criteria are neaarly the same. As mentioned in my
      testimony, there is no case of using the Peace Corps.

      Senator Specter: So you say you have not used anyone in any of
      these categories?

      The presumption is that it just isn't done. Why not then elevate it to
      the level of a finding for covert operations? A presidential
      certification, in writing, with notification of the intelligence
      committees.

      In light of the sensitivity of the issue and its infrequent use, this
      would not be difficult for the president to do.

      Mr. Deutch: First, the director of central intelligence should be
      responsible for human intelligence. If the president has any doubt
      in the DCI's judgment, replace him/her.

      Second, leave room between the decision of the director and the
      president. It is not a day-to-day involvement.

      Senator Spector: It is hardly a question of day-to-day involvement
      of the president. This type of use would be infrequent,
      extraordinary. Isn't that added protection?

      Mr. Deutch: The president should have confidence in his/her
      appointee, the president can oversee, you should not have the
      White House involved in intelligence activities, leave it to their
      professional judgment. There would still be immediate notification
      to the president and the intelligence committees.

      Senator Specter: If there are sufficient instances of informing the
      president, it should be the president's decision. Regarding
      notification of the committees, there's controversy over how prompt
      is prompt. This was addressed in the 1987 legislation.

      Mr. Deutch: Forty-eight hours from decision.

      Senator Specter: That might establish the parameters.

      Second panel of witnesses: Kenneth Adelman, former director of
      Arms Contral and Disarmament Agency; Ted Koppel, ABC News;
      Terry Anderson, former hostage and AP correspondent; Morton
      Zuckerman, publisher of U.S. News and World Report

      Mr. Adelman: I would like to make three points.

      First, There is the phenomenon of press self-absorption. The
      Council on Foreign Relations study made important
      recommendations about broad aspects of U.S. intelligence. The
      press seized on one sentence, that dealing with journalists, and that
      became the controversy.

      In general, intelligence is good on hardware, but we were surprised
      by Gorbachev.

      Senator Specter: What could intelligence have done better?

      Mr. Adelman: There should have been a leap of imagination. They
      should have known that Gorbachev would want to do something
      dramatic. I take responsibility, too. Intelligence should have had a
      better feel. I like the idea of competing intelligence analyses.

      Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.) joined the panel.

      Mr. Adelman continued: Second, current policy is fine. No group
      should be exempt. The finding should be at the covert-action level.
      The remarks of the DCI were to the point, although they did not
      totally cover the issue.

      Third, no matter what we do, it will be laughed off by the bad guys.

      American journalists should feel a civic responsibility to step
      outside their role as journalists.

      Senator John Kerry: I am deeply concerned about publicizing this
      issue. It is better left alone. If they weren't tainted before, they will
      be now.

      Most intelligence-gathering can be done without the use of these
      categories. The Peace Corps, et al. The most salutary effect of these
      inquiries would be if it elicits a prohibition rather than leaving it in
      doubt.

      Terry Anderson: I also share the opinions of Senators Kerry and
      especially Coverdell. The damage has already been done by Mr.
      Deutch's admission that it had been done. It must be prohibited.

      Journalists are in danger. In much of the world the CIA is held in
      great disfavor. Journalists begin with a presumption of involvement.

      I was accused of being a spy, I was on a list of CIA agents put out
      by fundamentalist Shiites.

      When we make rules, it depends if people have been disrespectful
      of rules, if they have been stretching the rules. There is sufficient
      evidence in the history of the CIA to put it in this category.

      Regarding the use of journalists, it is difficult for journalists to
      keep information to themselves. If they have it, they will publish it.

      We need an absolute, public, blanket ban on the use of journalistic
      cover.

      Ted Koppel: I am opposed to the CIA having the legal option of
      using journalistic cover.

      The CIA has broken laws. It will again.

      Many governments assume that journalists are working for the CIA,
      because they use journalists.

      How often the waiver is actually used is irrelevant. It is how it is
      assumed to be used.

      When an intelligence official breaks U.S. laws, if their argument is
      persuasive, Congress can be lenient. If the CIA must use journalists
      it will do so, but it should have to be breaking the law in so doing.

      Morton Zuckerman: I recall the Nick Daniloff case. His name was
      associated with the CIA. This is an example of a journalist exposed
      to risk. This may have violated guidelines.

      Any association of the press with intelligence, particularly with the
      CIA, is bad.

      The prohibition should be increased, made absolute, not just to
      protect individual journalists, but to preserve the constitutional
      independence of the press.

      It is not an individual decision if the journalist is witting. It affects
      all the press.

      Senator Specter: The Council on Foreign Relations report has
      brought this question to public view. There has been the House
      vote.

      He asked Mr. Anderson regarding the substance of the House vote.
      You were a major victim.

      Mr. Anderson: It is a very significant issue. I'm not the only victim.
      It is fairly frequent that journalists are put at risk. The
      fundamentalist Islams in Lebanon believed that all journalists were
      spies. The only way of healing this is a flat ban without exception.
      If there is an exception, no matter how well hedged, it would
      confirm their belief.

      They interrogated me roughly, though without torture. They gave us
      the name of what they termed a CIA agent at the American
      University. They said that I reported to him. They had many
      questions regarding intelligence. They were not satisfied with my
      complete denial. They had weapons pointed at my head, they were
      shouting, "Spy!"

      There is no way of telling how many journalists have been put at
      risk because of this issue. Last year, some fifty-five journalists died
      worldwide in the course of duty, many in obscure circumstances.
      There is no way of knowing how many of those were killed because
      of suspicion they were intelligence agents. Most believe that that
      was the reason for some.

      Senator Specter: What about a national-security exception? By the
      president, if extraordinary circumstances prevail?

      Mr. Koppel: You heard the DCI object even to that. I said that the
      CIA will do it anyway regardless of the law. At least the violators
      would know the consequences. Otherwise, there is no prohibition.
      You are left with the goodwill of the director or deputy director.

      Senator Specter: This is an interesting argument you are making,
      that they should have to break the law. We pride ourselves on being
      a nation of laws.

      Mr. Koppel: We also have the precedent of the CIA routinely
      violating the law.

      Senator Specter: Finding the facts can be hard, as we found in the
      Ruby Ridge case.

      Would you be satisfied if the president made a finding?

      Mr. Koppel: My preference would be that the law stay in place.

      Senator Specter: We have no statute on that. It has been up to the
      CIA.

      Mr. Koppel: That would be unacceptable.

      Senator Specter: That is why we are considering legislation.

      [To Mr. Zuckerman:] You consider it a First Amendment issue?

      Mr. Zuckerman: As we understand the present situation, there are
      circumstances under which intelligence agencies use journalists.
      There is the example of Daniloff.

      This calls for a balancing of interests: the value of an untainted
      press, bringing in unvarnished reports.

      The day-to-day role of the press abroad, without taint of
      intelligence, is better assured by an absolute prohibition. A greater
      national interest is served by this than by any that would involve
      preserving this suspicion or taint.

      Senator Specter: So you would argue for no exceptions including a
      national-security waiver.

      Mr. Zuckerman: Yes.

      Senator Specter: And that this would have a substantial effect on
      journalism.

      Mr. Zuckerman: Mr. Daniloff was indirectly involved with the CIA,
      though that wasn't the whole reason they arrested him. Yet the taint
      was there. Read Secretary of State Shultz's memoirs.

      Yes, there may be individual circumstances where the information
      would be useful, but the greater value is journalism without this
      suspicion.

      Senator Specter: Mr. Adelman, you've heard this. Would you settle
      for a national- security exception?

      Mr. Adelman: I have no opinion on the president-vs.-DCI issue.

      [Sen. Charles S. Robb (D-Va.) joined the panel.]

      Mr Adelman continued: Terry An

    5. Re:doctors won't really help in these cases either by raju1kabir · · Score: 2

      This being the operative paragraph:

      "Simply put, CIA's policy is not to use journalists accredited to American news organizations, their parent organizations, American clergy or the Peace Corps for intelligence purposes. This includes any use of such organizations for cover."
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  5. Volunteer work would be great if you got paid... by RogrWilco · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First of all, props to the guys who can just pick up and leave for six monts at a time, but for the majority of working shmoes such as myself, it is an impossibility. Good intentions don't put food on the table, and I don't know of one employer who would let a person leave for a year, then graciously welcome him back.

    If I had a company and somebody came to me with a resume showing he took off for a year to do goodwill work in some other country, all I'd see is a guy who needs retraining on a years worth of technology changes. You want to help out, donate money. Let the out of work hippies donate months of their lives.

    AWG

  6. Classic problem by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a classic problem with foreign aid organizations. What they get are young people with the wrong skills. What they need are experienced blue-collar leaders: farmers who've successfully farmed tough land, experienced truck mechanics, construction foremen, and pipeline field bosses.

    1. Re:Classic problem by billcopc · · Score: 0, Troll

      The problem is that all those experienced and talented workers already earn a comfortable living here. They're not ready to throw that all down to go live in the middle of nowhere working for free. The intentions are good but the social and economic status-quo doesn't favor volunteering. America wants heroes and pop stars, they don't give a flying fsck about 'illuminated hippies'. Government would rather see all those foreign civilizations die and/or be conquered by the worldwide phenomenon of US invasion.

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    2. Re:Classic problem by leucadiadude · · Score: 1

      "Government would rather see all those foreign civilizations die and/or be conquered by the worldwide phenomenon of US invasion."

      Now there is classic flamebait for ya.

      BTW, anyone who actually likes GCC is a masochist.

      Flamebait titfortat....

    3. Re:Classic problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't say that. A good project leader can guide people through those things. And gaining those skills is often the other main reason for volunteers going, along with meeting people, having new experiences, and the basic altruistic stuff (although that particular reason isn't as common as you'd expect).

    4. Re:Classic problem by billcopc · · Score: 1

      GCC is not merely for masochists, it is a nifty nostalgia-yanker for anyone who's ever been blessed with the classic Watcom C compilers. Having such extensive and exquisite control over the compilation process using only command-line params is a coder's greatest tool in the right hands.

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      -Billco, Fnarg.com
    5. Re:Classic problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you earn a confortable living as a farmer, truck mechanic, or contruction foreman?

      Maybe you should get one of those jobs, and find out life ain't all peaches and cream. With those jobs, when you've got experience, you've probably also got a couple kids that need food on the table, and volounteering in Bumfuckistan doesn't pay the bills.

      Anyhow, if a civilization can't figure out how to feed or shelter themselves, maybe they shouldn't be saved.

    6. Re:Classic problem by billcopc · · Score: 1

      almost funny =)

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      -Billco, Fnarg.com
    7. Re:Classic problem by wroot · · Score: 1

      What they need is NYPD and FBI. Businesses can not prosper if the mob controls everything and takes away all profits regardless. Same problem from Russia to Africa to Latin America. Only experienced Quakers need apply.

    8. Re:Classic problem by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

      The problem with that, is most 3rd world people don't WANT westerners telling them what to do or how to live, they just want food and perhaps a little help with medicine and education.

      Would you want cops from, say , somalia or afghanistan pointing guns around you and telling you what to do?

      (BTW I don't refer to possibly necesarry interventions LIKE afghanistan or East Timor, but to suggest it in peacfull but busted-ass countries is a little ..... colonial perhaps.

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    9. Re:Classic problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyhow, if a civilization can't figure out how to feed or shelter themselves, maybe they shouldn't be saved.

      I really hate to agree with this, but I really have to - as long as civilizations that are forced into lives where they cannot feed or shelter themselves by evil governments are excluded.

    10. Re:Classic problem by Happy+go+Lucky · · Score: 1
      The problem with that, is most 3rd world people don't WANT westerners telling them what to do or how to live, they just want food and perhaps a little help with medicine and education.

      "Give us your money. We don't want to hear your opinions about how we spend it."

      Would you want cops from, say , somalia or afghanistan pointing guns around you and telling you what to do?

      Try a country with actual competent cops. Being one myself, I like to keep up with what the rest of my professional world is doing. I wouldn't want Israeli or Japanese cops running around the US. However, the Swiss/German/UK police, the Spanish Guardia Civil, and the Italian Carabinieri have a great deal of my respect. If were were fucked enough to need foreign cops here, those countries wouldn't bother me so much.

      Besides, the two that you named don't actually have police. They don't even have armed thugs claiming to be police. All they have are warlords and their household troops, and Afghanistan barely has even that.

    11. Re:Classic problem by tau_bada · · Score: 1

      Often times, only facilitators are needed; the governments tend to have people with the needed knowledge, skills, and desire to help, but what they are lacking is transportation/budget money. NGOs and their field work foster dependency if the host governments are cut out of the loop, knowingly or unknowingly.

  7. Re:Geekcorps by worldwideweber · · Score: 4, Informative

    I apologize to the partial post...

    I meant to add that there are similar projects in the Caribbean. In the Dominican Republic, The Amity Institute has a teaching exchange program that includes teaching posts for computer technology courses. Likewise, the Universidad Autonoma de Santo Domingo, where I worked for a semester, always needs technology instructors. Both of these organizations put geeks up in apartments. (Spanish is required).

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  8. What use is the net? by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Infrastructure is nice. Infrastructure is good. Having the right equipment, irrigation and transportation would certainly be welcome.

    But information is the next best thing. You may not have a tractor, but knowing how to plow a field without causing soil erosion is important. You can't build an effective grain silo without having the plans for one; but if you know how they're laid out, you might cobble one together.

    I suppose you could photocopy a bunch of plans and hand them out, but the net allows neighboring villages to share their experiences and figure out what works in that area and what won't, and to make arrangements to buy equipment and materials on the cheap when it becomes available.

    Of course the net is no panacea, but it's of more help than you might think.

    1. Re:What use is the net? by pabs · · Score: 1

      Proof that Slashdot could use either a "Katz" or "Naive" in moderators' repertoire.

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    2. Re:What use is the net? by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

      Or perhaps "Teenage Katz bashing Troll"

      Ok , granted that it's a pretty wierd concept whacking a computer in a village that possibly doesnt have a phone, there are ways that information and grass-roots McGyvering can be usefull.

      I've seen hippie communes where the most amazing stuff has been built outa bits of junk and the like

      A 286 loaded up with Minix , Chipmunk basic and some simplistic database software could probably go a mile in helping village elders (with geek help) organise and create some form of information infrastucture to help plan and coordinate things like harvests and also in planning for when appealing to governments and aid agencies is necessary. A word processor and 9pin could probably go a long way in impressing the regional tinpot bean counter.

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    3. Re:What use is the net? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You rpove the inadequacy of the moderation system, yet again. Thanks for your dopey comments.

    4. Re:What use is the net? by Happy+go+Lucky · · Score: 1
      Ok , granted that it's a pretty wierd concept whacking a computer in a village that possibly doesnt have a phone, there are ways that information and grass-roots McGyvering can be usefull.

      Yeah, but you need to lose the computer entirely. I've done such programs. Screw computers and information, these places didn't have electricity. The typical community I worked in had MAYBE a diesel engine driving a generator or pump, which ran about eight hours out of the week and was used almost entirely for irrigation. A high-school shop class project would have done wonders for that village: Hell, a central drinking-water well with SOME effort at treatment would have been a beautiful thing. All it takes is the right size of container and some goddamn sand! (but it has to be exactly the right kind of sand, and with no organic matter mixed in, etc...)

      I'm thinking of one specific town. Pit toilets were a substantial improvement in this town's public health. So were vegetable gardens-they grew all of the corn they could have ever wanted, but the micronutrient (vitamin & mineral) deficiencies were problematic. Having some farming background helped me a LOT.

      And then there was the issue of education-there was a "doctor" in the next town, who treated colds with vitamin shots and prescribed injected allergy medicine to people without allergies. Some education would have been good, and forcing that "doctor" to practice on himself would have been an acceptable compromise.

      Naturally, there was a Peace Corps drone in the area. His mission? To teach computer usage, to people who would spend six months' income on an old 286 without even solving the problem of no power. Also naturally, and typical IME of Peace Corps types-in Latin America, he didn't speak much Spanish.

      Anyway, I highly recommend a group called Amigos de las Americas. They have their share of idiots, and especially in supervision/leadership/management, but it can still be a worthwhile program if you bring your own skills and your own initiative. All you need is a chunk of change, some Spanish proficiency, and be age 16.

    5. Re:What use is the net? by ivrcti · · Score: 1

      Do the odds say which one will happen first?

  9. Re:geekcorps by szcx · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    what about www.geekcorps.org
    what about reading the damn post? see where the writer says "I also remember the Geekcorps"?

    sweet merciful christ, there are only nine comments and two of them didn't even bother to read the post before hitting the "reply" button. have people been so conditioned that they think they know the answer before they know the question?

  10. Move to Redmond and start a multi-billion $ corp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You'd be doing the world a lot more good if you stayed in the States and used your most productive years to start a business that employed gazillions of people. There are two advantages to this: In the interim, gazillions of employees have enough disposable income to be able to settle down and raise families, and, in the long run, when you get old you will have enough money to really help the beneficiary of your choice.

    PS: Most charities are, at best, fraudulent, but are more likely to be detrimental to the very people they are supposed to help.

  11. Computer Aid by GdoL · · Score: 1

    Yes, for a long time now I want to do the same. I think an on the field participation, build a network, teaching people how to do that could be a goood think. And also working from my home ountry developing software they need. I suppose most od this idees are done already. Like on East Timor, UN built some IT infraestructure. But a computer related Org could be more productive. I would like to know about one or to help build one. What do you say?

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  12. International Year of the Volunteer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hey,
    2001 is the UN year of the volunteer. I am curently teaching in the Cisco Academy in Ulaanbaatar Mongolia. THere are plenty of IT related opportunities with the United Nations in the ICT sector. As long as you have at least 5 years experienc and are at least 25 years old.
    Check out www.unv.org for more information. Plus if you are willing to go to Afganistan, I can assure you you will probably be on the next flight with out bombs!

    1. Re:International Year of the Volunteer by ainsoph · · Score: 1

      Mongolia is my dream country. I cannot wait to go. How did you get that going for yourself?

      You are one lucky bastid.

  13. Engineers without Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're looking for "Engineers Without Borders":
    here a few of their addresses:

    http://ewob.colorado.edu
    EWOB USA

    http://www.ewb-isf.org
    EWB CANADA

    http://www.isf-france.org
    EWB France = Ingénieurs sans Frontières (ISF)

    There are lots of other local and national EWB groups, a google search should find em.

    1. Re:Engineers without Borders by madhippy · · Score: 1

      presumably they're sending techies to India to replace all those who are contracting their services out in Europe/N America...

    2. Re:Engineers without Borders by yesthatguy · · Score: 1

      http://ewob.colorado.edu

      Gotta love us Americans who turn 'without' into two words in making an acronym.

      (FWIW, the actual site calls itself 'EWB', but ewb.colorado.edu doesn't work...hmm)

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  14. Join Americorps -- Help Domestically by Llama+Keeper · · Score: 4, Informative

    Rather than looking abroad may I suggest joing a domestic (USA) organization. Americorps is a national civilian service organization that send people to different locations around the US where strong minds and bodies are needed.

    A great friend of mine joined for a year and work with inner city kids in Las Vegas, worked at a soup kitchen in Denver, fight fires in the Sierra Nevadas, built trails and did eco-rehab in the Sierras and many other fun projects.

    I looked at joining six months ago when I was between jobs, and deciding if I wanted to return to college. The people I talked to were enthusiastic about having a geek who was interested in joing (I'm also a hardcore outdoor enthusiast, so that was a plus side for them as well.)

    Americorp is a great deal, you commit to work for a year, you get trianed, then while working get a small monthly per diem and at the end of your service are eligible for a decent amount of $$$ for college. I would highly reccomend it to anyone who is interested in helping people. When my current contract with my employer expires I'm joing for a year.

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    1. Re:Join Americorps -- Help Domestically by JonToycrafter · · Score: 4, Informative

      Americorps is about the last place you would want to go if you're looking to do charitable work. If you join Americorps, you're most likely to end up in a intern-level job at a large corporate non-profit making less than the minimum wage ($802 a month, I believe, $826 in urban areas). The program was conceived of to allow middle-class kids with parents who will help support them to do work in communities they don't know the first thing about. It's an exercise in cynicism. And the "decent $$" you get at the end is $4700, and you're severely limited to what you can spend it on. So after a year's work photocopying, since Americorps jobs can't be direct service jobs, you've made $14,612, which hopefully was enough to live on. Maybe in a rural area this works out OK, but in NYC, forget it. If you go to here there's more info. Check out the patronizing photo while you're there. It's so....Manifest Destiny.

    2. Re:Join Americorps -- Help Domestically by lost_it · · Score: 1
      Americorps is about the last place you would want to go if you're looking to do charitable work. If you join Americorps, you're most likely to end up in a intern-level job at a large corporate non-profit making less than the minimum wage ($802 a month, I believe, $826 in urban areas).

      I'm not sure where you got that information, but it's definitely not always true. While I was in high school, I worked with an Americorps crew on a project to give schools decent computers (note: I was not a member of Americorps at any time). Big businesses would donate old computers for a tax write-off, and we'd turn them back around for the schools. Along the way, the volunteers learned a lot about computer hardware repair (the computers we got weren't always in the best condition).

      The program wasn't run by Americorps, but Americorps volunteers provided a mix of technical know-how and administrative help (finding businesses to get stuff from, and schools to donate to). High school and middle school students provided a lot of the volunteer hours in actually rebuilding the computers (in exchange for learning how to repair computers, and having lots of computers to practice on).

      The Americorps people that I worked with were definitely _not_ doing intern-level work. They were getting a great mix of technical and managerial experience.

    3. Re:Join Americorps -- Help Domestically by remolacha · · Score: 1

      I worked alongside many americorps volunteers at a public charter school in brooklyn, helped set up their computer lab and taught kids in the day and parents at night. many of the parents, most of whom only spoke spanish, weren't aware, for instance, of the function of the space bar. it was a pretty interesting job, and speaks to the aforementioned thought that you don't necessarily need to leave the US to be of help. as for americorps, the value of the experience must depend on the organization you work for- this school was using americorps volunteers mostly to do clerical work. I don't recall how much choice the americorps applicant has in where s/he is stationed, but if you don't get to choose, beware- you could end up stapling stuff.
      as for going to another country, I also worked for a year in guatemala for a newspaper there, not volunteer but for a guatemalan salary (damn close to volunteering, in USD terms), and that was a different kind of experience- getting out of the US, or the first world, can be eye opening, good for langauge skills, lonely, a time to learn a lot.
      in the end I figured that as far as being of help, I was probably most useful in my own country, where I had a grip on the culture, was likely to stick around for a while, and had a shot at forming relationships that could last.
      that said, if you haven't spent a chunk of time outside of the first world, I would recommend it, if you're lucky you'll find yourself someplace completely different from what you're used to, struggle with and learn from that, and help some folks set up networks (or whatever) in the process. you'll be a richer person for it, and if you decide that social-servicey type work is your thing, better equipped to do stuff at home in the longer term.

    4. Re:Join Americorps -- Help Domestically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fill in as campaign workers for Democrat politicos, etc.....

    5. Re:Join Americorps -- Help Domestically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you actually have experience with Americorps or is this just general cynicism at work here? My wife was an Americorps volunteer for a little over a year. During that time she certainly wasn't a glorified intern, she taught low-income, inner-city kids how to read. It was an excellent experience and while she certainly didn't make enough $ to live on (she is fortunate to have a geek husband), the scholarship paid for a Master's degree in education at Ohio State. The only limit on that money was that it had to be spent on tuition at an accredited University, which is only reasonable to prevent schmucks from blowing it on correspondance courses from the Astrologer's Institute of Bulls**t.

  15. Engineers Without Borders by CheezWizFire · · Score: 0, Redundant

    My school is part of an organization called Engineers Without Borders. http://www.ewb-isf.org/ I appears to be a Canadian organization, but if you are from the states they will at least be able to give you more information about what you are looking for.

  16. How about a different angle by n0-0p · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I hate to sound harsh but I think you might be looking at this from the wrong angle. The truth is that many of these aid organizations do more harm than good in the long run. They try to solve the problem by providing a little additional food for subsistence and medicines for the most common diseases. This may give people a warm fuzzy, but all it really does is add to the problem of over-taxed resources and over-population in these regions.

    If I were you I'd look into organizations whose primary focus is infrastructure development. Building schools, developing industry, and raising the general standard of living is a far more effective goal. It may not have the same immediate gratification of medical aide, but in the long run it's a lot better for the people and probably more along the lines of your skills.

    1. Re:How about a different angle by argoff · · Score: 2

      I think that you're wrong in two ways. First, people that go off to different parts of the world to give food and medicine have behaviors and social values that rub off on local populations and make the transition to a developed society far more easy.

      Second, population and over-taxed resources are not the problem, but the symptom. In places where volunteers have a chance to influence, I would imagine it would actually help to ease the symptoms.

      Our real mistake is trying too hard be to politically nutreal - like watering down values like freedom-of-speech and freedom-of-religion, or writing them off as just differences in opinion. When we do that, we water down our social values for the sake of getting along - and thus water down our influence on other peoples freedoms.

    2. Re:How about a different angle by psych031337 · · Score: 2
      I hate to sound harsh but I think you might be looking at this from the wrong angle. The truth is that many of these aid organizations do more harm than good in the long run.


      That is certainly not true for "Doctors without Borders" (MSF, medicines sans frontiers). Their approach is aimed at establishing a hospital or other medical site mainly with the help of residents. They rely on assistance from the people they help in lot of ways and their doctors and other skilled workers train residents in a way that enables them to hold up the operation of the site after MSF leaves.

      They basically jumpstart and incubate hospitals. Until they can work on their own.
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    3. Re:How about a different angle by MSBob · · Score: 2
      Hah! I was about to post the same thing. Many charity organisations have skewed and often dangerous ideas about the meaning of the word 'help'. There are numerous examples where charities, although probably acting with best intentions helped ruin local economies. One example would the the american food aid for Egypt that alomst destroyed all farming in the Nile delta. Also the biggest charity flop has to be the Ethiopian tomato plant. Following the advice of 'experts' there was a nationalised tomato processing plant raised in Ethiopia, which was supposed to make produce sold in Europe. The nationalised land for growing said tomatoes was exploited and what used to be a fertile piece of terrain quickly turned into a wasteland. Most farmers are aware that growing the same produce on a piece of land year by year is bad for the soil. Meanwhile Europe refused to buy those canned tomatoes as they already had an oversupply of their own. The gigantic tomato disaster was one of the main factors in the huge famine that swept the nation during the next big draught.

      Some charities can be truly harmful. Especially the ones that openly advocate marxist ideas and/or try to forward their religious agendas in the process of 'helping' the poor. Those marxist charities persuaded many poor countries to nationalise industries and introduce centrally planend economies. The consequences of switching from tribal feudal systems to military based socialist experiments were naturally catastrophic. The socialist doctrine in Ethiopia already cost millions of lives lost to poverty and famine. India is still paying their bill for their socialist experiment. North Korea, one of the poorest countries in the world is on the brink of collapse thanks to their refusal to embrace global trade and their Marxist inclinations.

      By all means go with a charity, just make sure you pick one carefully and scrutinise your choice. Remember charities should be helping the poor and not use them as grounds for testing their social reform ideas.

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  17. IT in NGO's by BanthaPoodoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I worked as an intern for Doctor's Without Borders a few years ago at their office in New York. As one of only a handful of people in the office who knew much of anything about computers, I did a lot of work on their website, mostly in the form of putting a lot of their fieldwork online. From this experiencem, I have found that NGO's (Non-Governmental Organizations) need a lot of help in this arena. Since IT workers are in relatively short supply, and since we want to get paid for our services rendered, it's hard to find IT services for free, which is what NGO's really need.

    I think that as more of the fundraising comes from online sources (paypal, et al) these organizations will need people like us to set up the infrastructure to do these kinds of things. Sure, it won't be as "hands on" as picking up a shovel or suturing a wound, but volunteerism takes on many forms, and we as savants can be of great service if we put our knowledge to use in this regard.

    1. Re:IT in NGO's by GTD · · Score: 1

      This was my own experience as a volunteer with an NGO overseas. For example, email is _vital_ to aid work today. Often the postal and long-distance telephone services are so bad that email is not just the best, but the only link to the outside world.

      Keeping the 'net link up ... getting an old printer to keep going ... fixing a computer that would have been thrown out long ago in the corporate world. These are huge needs for many NGOs, but you often won't see it listed on their brochure.

  18. Peace Corps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Peace Corps has a focus area for volunteer work on IT. It is listed at http://www.peacecorps.org/assignments/focusareas.c fm

    1. Re:Peace Corps by seldolivaw · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's that link without the parse error...

    2. Re:Peace Corps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow...they do need help if they're using Cold Fusion. :^)

    3. Re:Peace Corps by griffjon · · Score: 2

      I am in the process of applying to the Corps' IT program in South America. If you get your act together, I beleive there's a pretty big push for IT in early July (which means you need to start the process NOW). You can read about my progress in applying at GriffJon.com/Travel.

      There's also GeekCorps, but they're a bit more limited in scope.

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    4. Re:Peace Corps by griffjon · · Score: 1

      Damnit. Thou shalt put http:// in front of all URLs. Mr. Taco said so.

      That url again is: http://www.griffjon.com/travel

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  19. Peace Corps by Dan+Sullivan · · Score: 5, Informative
    The Peace Corps has specifically solicited for computer expertise. Check out

    http://www.peacecorps.gov/assignments/focusareas .c fm#it There's plenty of work to go around.

  20. Technology has a use... by worldwideweber · · Score: 2, Informative

    EDUNIX is a company based in the United States that attempts to develop technology companies in the caribbean by specifically targetting the country's educational infrastructure. The company uses open-source software to "connect schools to the internet" at a reasonable price. (I am currently working for this company and doing work in Dominican Republic and Cuba, and you should see us online in about a month so remember to check us out).

    I know as a computer geek it is often hard to see the value in this. However, it is important to note how important technology is as a factor of long-term economic growth. By targetting schools specifically (and using open-source in general), you are adding to the country's intellectual capital today (educating more people in the methods of doing business in today's economies and thereby making them more "hireable") and also adds to their GDP growth in the long-run (for example, by educating one person who then forms a company that exploits technology to increases worker productivity and icreasing output, etc).

    It may not seem like much, but engineers (whether they build dams or software) are key to the development of modern economies (which need to operate efficiently and in large scale with complex structures).

    Or maybe I am just a geek with a high opinion of myself.

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  21. other volunteer orgs/programs by zdburke · · Score: 4, Informative

    Netaid, part of the UN Development Programme doesn't offer work abroad, but uses the Net so you can work locally to help those abroad. A lot of the assignments are more oreinted toward research/advocacy/education, but there are tech needs associated with those things too: sysadmins, DBAs, Web developers, etc. This is part of the UNDP's Information and Communications Technology division.

    Global Technology Corps is run by the US Department of State and sends people abroad to build LANs and such.

    Trust For The Americas sends folks abroad to teach tech, and also to setup the infrastructure -- building networks, etc.

  22. VSO by alanw · · Score: 3, Informative

    From the VSO web site
    <cite> VSO is an international development charity that works through volunteers. We enable people aged 17-70 to share their skills and experience with local communities in the developing world. We passionately believe we can make a difference in tackling poverty by helping people to realise their potential.
    ...
    VSO currently recruits volunteers of any nationality who are living in the EU, Canada and the United States. In addition we are currently running pilot programmes recruiting volunteers from Kenya and the Philippines. We have established offices in Canada and the Netherlands. </cite>

    1. Re:VSO by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 2

      And from my contacts with VSO volunteers, they do in fact do IT-related work. The VSO was instrumental in getting Belize its first e-mail link back in the mid-'90s, before BTL got into the picture.

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  23. Donation by rossdee · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Since "Doctors without Borders" is known internationally as "Medecins sans Frontiers" I'd like to donate to them a copy of the old Amiga space sim "Frontier" (AKA Elite 2)

  24. Here's a few: by quartz · · Score: 1, Informative

    The American Red Cross, American Rescue Team, the Salvation Army are only a few organizations among many others for which you can volunteer to help the poor and disadvantaged people in a foreign country called America. Hope it helps.

  25. Teaching Computers overseas to folks w/o a base. by basking2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    ESI (Educational Services International) is a group that primarily teaches conversational English to countries with out a large monetary base. They also have a computer course they are working on. This is computer science more than "click here and a paperclip should appear." :-)

    They are an evangelical group which means they are there to show the love of Christ via action. They are not a mass-evangelical group. The idea is that they do a good thing in God's name, and folks get curious and start looking at they why behind the actions. So, if you are a Christian, this is a very good group. They teach in Russia and China primarily, but the computer courses are based more in the near Eastern areas. Hope this helps!

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  26. Re:Volunteer work would be great if you got paid.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think a lot of these "non-profit" organizations recruiting volunteers are actually paying the people. Only difference between them and regular businesses is how they collect the funds in the first place. Instead of selling a product or their services, they collect government grants and donations.

    One of my ex-g/f's worked (and possibly even still does work) for a religious organization that claims to be non-profit. They produce several religious radio and TV programs. She applied for the job just like it was any other job, and they pay her to be a media coordinator for them. In fact, I don't even think she realized they were a non-profit until after she went to the interview and learned more details. (Heck, she doesn't even believe in their religion - but it really makes no difference to them. They just need people with the skills to achieve their goals.)

    Not all volunteer work means you have to drop everything and go unpaid.

  27. Engineers without Borders by saforrest · · Score: 1

    Have a look at Engineers Without Borders. It's a nonprofit group, only recently started, whose purpose is to bring the technical skills of professionals in the developed world to help solve problems in developing countries.

    EWB is growing quite fast, and it has already set up international placements in some Third World countries (India, Nepal, Chile). I'm sure they could use whatever support you can provide.

  28. a resource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello.

    This is a site run by a friend of mine who has done a lot of exactly what you're talking about. It has a matching service that appears to draw from organizations in various countries. http://www.interopp.org/

    I don't know if you'll find exactly what you want, but it seems like a place to look.

    peace

  29. Visit cryptorights.org by QuadPro · · Score: 2, Informative

    At HAL2001 there was a talk from someone of CryptoRights. He said they desperately need people for human right work in foreign countries. If you're thinking about helping, and you have computer skills, visit cryptorights.org.

  30. I don't understand the problem by muffen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't really understand why you need to work for a non-profit organisation abroad. I am currently living in my third country, and in a few months I moving to my fourth. I don't work for a non-profit organisation, instead, I work for a company that gives me a good salary.

    How is this good and how does it help anyone in a third world country?
    I give away approx. 300 dollars a month to two different organisations.

    The amount of money I give away isn't really noticable to me (I mean, I can pay my rent and drink my beers), and if I believe the adverts from one of these organisation, I am getting clean water to 1500 or so children.

    My suggestion to you, get a good job in the country of your choice (if your anything close to good in the IT field, this shouldn't be too hard), earn money and DONATE! I think you will help more this way.

    1. Re:I don't understand the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100$ of that is probably going to pay the salaries of the non-volunteer workers for the organisation. Another 100-150$ probably goes to pay for those 'adverts' you're putting so much faith in, and other 'operational costs.'

      ...How much does that leave?

      You want to do something to help, do something to help. You throw money at some org, they're just going to piss it down a hole. Or weren't you paying attention to recent stories about the Red Cross' misuse of the 11/9 funds?

    2. Re:I don't understand the problem by g2g · · Score: 1

      The problem is this: You are occupying a position that could be held by a local. In this way, you are a detriment to the infrstructure, not a help. The goal of most of these volunteer organizations is to build infrastructure to improve life, then leave. I can accomplish the same you are by donating without leaving These United States (tm), not to mention that working here possibly makes more money to donate.

    3. Re:I don't understand the problem by Phantasmagoria · · Score: 1

      You are right, you DON'T understand the problem. You cannot help countries in need just by "giving them money". What they need is food and medicine during emergencies, but more importantly, they need skilled people who can help build infrastructure to help the economy grow - things from simple farming equipment all the way to high-tech tools. The money people donate helps pay to get this done. But to get anything done, YOU NEED PEOPLE. Skilled people for that matter. That is why I believe that volunteering to work for a non-profit org is way way better than just donating money.

      I come from a 3rd-world country - Bangladesh to be exact. I was lucky enough to have parents that poured their heart and soul to give me a good education, which allowed me to be able to come to the US for college. But I digress. Bangladesh has thousands and thousands of villages, all inhabited by relatively poor people. What they needed was not money, but education and training. Foreign Aid organizations and the local government did just that. They installed a "Money for education" program which encouraged families to send their children to school (especially girls) instead of keeping them at home to work (at home or in the fields). They send skilled people to villages all over the place to train people how to better cultivate the land with newer but not-that-expensive technology. They give simple loans to people to get started. And all in all, the government actually almost breaks even. Because although there was an initial investent that had to be made, it was rewarded greatly by a vast number of people suddenly earning a decent revenue through fishing, farming, etc.

      That mission didn't cost very much money, what it needed was lots of people.

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      Loban Amaan Rahman ==> Anagram of ==> Aha! An Abnormal Man!
    4. Re:I don't understand the problem by muffen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First of all, by saying I work in a different country than the one I was born in does not mean I work in a thirdworld country. I am not taking the job for some poor person that can barely feed his family.

      Second of all, you say you can accomplish the same as me, my question to you is... are you? Countless times have I heard this from people... most of whom have never given anything to anyone.

      I was aware of the fact that some people may prefer other methods of helping, I was simply trying to put forward mine (which is the main reason I like /. , all ideas get heard and everyone has a say). For some odd reason it seemes that you don't like the fact that I donate some percent of my salary. I can asure you I never expected a reply like yours.

      I can accomplish the same you are by donating without leaving These United States (tm), not to mention that working here possibly makes more money to donate.
      ... and right now you are doing what?

      I think that IT people do best in donating. You can argue about this, no doubt about it! ... but thinking that what I'm doing doesn't help?

    5. Re:I don't understand the problem by muffen · · Score: 1

      Do you honestly believe that I would do better in going there and trying to help? Just as an FYI, I work as a developer. What should I be doing... write a program that calculates how many people are dying due to insufficient funds?

      If I was a doctor, telecommunication specialist, farmer or any profession or skills needed down there, I'd go. However, currently I believe I am helping in the best way possible for me. I think that most programmers cannot do much more that donate.

    6. Re:I don't understand the problem by muffen · · Score: 1

      ...How much does that leave?

      Even though you are dead wrong, I can tell you this much: If it leaves one dollar and saves one kids life each month, I'm happy!

    7. Re:I don't understand the problem by muffen · · Score: 1

      Sorry, replied to the wrong thread... it was meant to be attached to the following post: 100$ of that is probably going to pay the salaries of the non-volunteer workers for the organisation. Another 100-150$ probably goes to pay for those 'adverts' you're putting so much faith in, and other 'operational costs.' ...How much does that leave? You want to do something to help, do something to help. You throw money at some org, they're just going to piss it down a hole. Or weren't you paying attention to recent stories about the Red Cross' misuse of the 11/9 funds?

    8. Re:I don't understand the problem by g2g · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your reply.
      I had assumed, by the placement of your comment that your were working in a country that needed infrastructure builders. Apparently, I am wrong...

      I'm not one to discuss giving nor is this the proper forum, but for what it's worth, I share my blessings.

    9. Re:I don't understand the problem by MKalus · · Score: 1

      First, something that unfortunatly I forgot to mention, I am NOT living in the US and I am not an american citizen either. I currently reside in Canada and much like you I have travelled.

      The reason for the post was the fact that the money alone isn't what I deem "helpful" in the end, I would like to be a bit more directly involved. I travelled to different countries and I see your point but as someone else already mentioned: There's more to life than just money.

      Michael

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  31. Doctors without Borders too anti-US for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doctors Without Borders seemed to see the events of September 11 as a great opportunity to criticise the US. That really turned me off.

    I'll be sending my charitable dollars and effort elsewhere.

  32. A good geek is always useful by clarkie.mg · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine has left Europe for Burundi this september. He enrolled with doctors without borders. He is absolutely not a doctor but a computer engineer (we were together at the university). His job will not mainly be computer oriented but he will be supporting the doctors, organizing transports, communications, I don't know exactly in fact !

    If you want to know more, you can send me an email and I will forward it to him.

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  33. The next step? by davidmacq · · Score: 1

    Maybe you should consider focusing on places where the people are struggling to get enough to eat. I guess the real question is, is there any place that is lacking in knowledgeable computer people. Seems that a few small obscure countries have some very talented people.

    I might also check to see if there was any project that meshed what I liked to do a lot, with something that benefits your charity. These aren't trivial questions are they?

  34. Americorps might *be* abroad for him/her by Wee · · Score: 2
    Rather than looking abroad may I suggest joing a domestic (USA) organization.

    Judging from the way MKalus spelled "organisations", Americorps may in fact be abroad. Although I got the feeling that the desired destination was like S. America, Africa, Balkans, etc.

    -B

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  35. Geeks in Ghana by gr8fulnded · · Score: 1

    How about Geeks in Ghana? -Dave

    1. Re:Geeks in Ghana by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh.. this website is obviously a product of the geekcorps which was mentioned in the original question. geez.

      the main problem with geekcorps is that they're currently working with about 8 people and dont have many openings.

      hes looking for a place that can actually use him.

  36. IT skillz are needed by the NGOs... by davejenkins · · Score: 2, Informative
    Three years ago, my company was going to volunteer to do the website for Doctos Without Borders, but we didn't do it because of budgetary restraints (ours). Four months later, they won the Nobel Peace Prize... Doh!

    When I spoke with them, I realized that many of these NGOs are struggling through IT and licencing problems, just like any small business on a tight budget. Even the Red Cross forks over millions to the Voracious One in licensing fees every year. You might be able to donate your services as a sysadmin, setting up communications and logistics for these organizations-- even in the bush.

    I cannot speak for the company, but I bet that Red Hat would be willing to listen to a good idea as part of their Open Source Now project.
    (these comments reflect my personal opinion and do not reflect on the opinions or positions of others)

    1. Re:IT skillz are needed by the NGOs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You should be happy you didnt get to hook up with Doctors Without a Conscience ... unless you like playing god along with them.

      This 'humanitarian' organization kicked out its Greek chapter because it refused to play god.

      The Greeks went to Yugoslavia while the country was being bombed for three straights months (NYC residents would have been shitting in their pants after the first week) against the wishes of this 'humanitarian' group who gets to decide who lives and dies.

      Then again, look at the winners of of that pop prize....killers and murderers (jews and palestinian) and Uncle Tom (Kofi Anan) ...yeah, it means about as much as an MTV award.

      Remember what the president of CARE Australia said in Canada 2-3 years ago about CARE Canada?
      "Were sick and tired of Canada using their NGO's for all their intelligence work because those of us who arent involved in spying end up paying the price."

    2. Re:IT skillz are needed by the NGOs... by frost22 · · Score: 1
      Remember what the president of CARE Australia said in Canada 2-3 years ago about CARE Canada? "Were sick and tired of Canada using their NGO's for all their intelligence work because those of us who arent involved in spying end up paying the price
      ... but a sentence earlier you criticize MSF for saying something similar to their Greek section. The Greek section was excluded for using the MSF name in activities not in accordance to MSF guidelines (namely to run a government program to support one side in a war) - so what do you complain ?

      f.
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  37. Write some open source software by rediguana · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've just finished doing a project for a Graduate Diploma in Emergency Services Management this year. Developed countries can cope with disasters much better than developing countries, and one aspect of this is because developed countries can throw more IT at the problem in stages of preparation, mitigation, response and recovery. I feel there is a growing need for open source and free software developed by an international community, with a view to providing software services for managing information and resources in a disaster, or aid program. There is SUMA a SUpply MAnagement program that is used for the transfer of aid and supply. There is commercial software available for emergency management, but once again only the rich countries can afford it. Learn GIS and offer your skills to governments and help in the preparation and mitigation stages by planning for natural and manmade disasters. There are plenty of opportunities for those involved in IT that want to help! :)

    Cheers Gav

  38. Schools by LinuxOnHal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Schools could always use the extra tech support/experience. As a technical volunteer of a school district, I can tell you how challenging it can be. A lot of that work is domestic, but I'm sure schools abroad could use the help too. Education is always going to be an important place for technology, because that's where people like you and I are trained early on. My school did not have very much technology when I was there, but I was lucky enough to have experience elsewhere in it at a young age, and I think that is what has allowed me to succeed in the technology world today.

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  39. Re:Volunteer work would be great if you got paid.. by RogrWilco · · Score: 1

    Point taken, but I don't think that taking a job for a non-profit organization is necessarily "Volunteer Work".
    On the flip side of the coin, I do not not make the six figure salary which I was promised in University, but I still do the computer gig because I love the job. If I had the chance to go to another country and do what I love, and get paid for it (before I got tied down with family) I would have jumped at the chance. Locally, I donate my time and skills to schools and other organizations, because many of the teachers in the industry do not have the hands on experience or background in areas which commonly get overlooked in high school computer science. This is easier to fit in my schedule, allows me to hold a paying job, and still makes a difference.

    There are many ways to do volunteer work for overseas nations without leaving home, like lobbying politicians for changes in export laws, or increasing foreign aid. I am merely saying Don't be sucked into the romantic vision of venturing off to the third world and changing the way people live. More often than not there is a definitive reason why people that live in third world countries are poor , and it's not due to a lack of technology or wealth(listing them here will thread way off topic), and helping out people by bringing farming knowledge, mechanical skills, or even internet access won't make a lick of difference until the underlying causes are changed. Choose battles which you can win. Teaching a village to farm better means that they will end up having to produce more cash crops for their government, and will have little impact on their quality of life.

  40. yeah, bring the dot-bomb sheisters global by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ugh. i want to see some hard evidence of
    something positive coming out of this.

  41. EWB by simnick · · Score: 1

    Engineers Without Borders is a young, but very dynamic (growing extremely fast) NGO looking to apply engineering know-how in the third world in areas like housing, energy, IT, water, demining etc... They are canadian primarily, but chapters are starting up all over the states, and internationally. An organization to watch (http://www.ewb-isf.org/)

  42. Volunteer as an intern by volkris · · Score: 1

    It would be interesting if there was some group set up whereby green computer people would go volunteer for a good cause and work with some paid experts in the field.

    You know, a group of college computer science majors donating time to install servers somewhere for a good cause working with someone who actually knows what he's doing... In fact, if it's set up right the "kids" could even end up paying for the experience.

  43. IT Teaching by jamieo · · Score: 1

    When I left university 10 years ago I came very close do doing what you want to. I was going to go teaching computing to kids in a school in Nairobi Kenya. The term was for about 2 years and a charity was funding it. The funding fell through and i didn't go :(

    There are charities around you just have to find them

  44. Try the embassy by imrdkl · · Score: 3, Offtopic
    If you just want to travel abroad, there are perhaps better ways to do it. Marry a foreigner, for example. Or join the Navy. Otoh, if you really want to help people, then my suggestion is that you contact the embassy or consulate of the country of your preference, to get some suggestions for local organizations which could be contacted directly, or possibly with their help.

    Get started on your shots, too. Thats loads of fun.

  45. 2 Important Considerations by Starky · · Score: 1
    First, you seem to think that because you aren't building a bridge or digging a ditch, you can't help.


    That is entirely false. Many of these countries need infrastructure and other resources to make their marketplaces more efficient or facilitate better exchange of information or resources either internally or with the rest of the world.


    In fact, while the average agricultural worker in an agricultural economy could care less about establishing a secure internet connection when they're having trouble feeding their families, by creating infrastructure you may be able to help thousands of farmers by allowing market intermediaries to better market or sell goods internally or abroad.


    As much resources are wasted in many developing nations because markets and infrastructure are inadequate or easily abused due to informational inequities or corruption as anything else.


    The point is that your skills are valuable. You may be able to use them to help more at the macro level than a strong back and sweat could help at the micro level. As you would do in the job market, leverage your skills in volunteering by using them in their most productive capacity.


    Finally, you may be able to help from right here at home. Look at Bram Moolenaar's vim. More specifically, download it, then type ":help uganda". Vim is charityware. Rather than pay for this open-source product, the author asks you to donate to the Kibaale Children's Centre. I use vim all the time, and I've made a donation. In fact, I contributed more than I've paid for any other piece of software in years.


    So if you're a good coder, consider something of that nature. Or get creative. I don't know how much Bram has raised for the KCC, but I'd guess his coding skills have made a big difference in alot of children's lives.


    You've obviously got a big heart and a good head. If you use them both, I have no doubt you'll make a difference :-)

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  46. Re: start your own/support disabled users? by texchanchan · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Anybody know of a geek org that provides onsite tech support (hardware, software, training) to disabled people?

    When I was a support tech some of my co-workers went out and worked on systems for paralyzed people, MS patients, and so on. They weren't supposed to but did it because the customers had no other access to technical help. Many of these users had old discard computers given to them by charities. They were living on extremely minimal disability payments and had no money to pay for upgrades, parts, or tech support.

    This is still the case, only I am out of contact with this segment of the user community since leaving tech support. But they're still there, they're still poor, and they need online access more than anybody else does. Often it is their only method of communicating with the outside world--several of our paralyzed users couldn't even talk, could only type with a stick. The government provides only enough assistance to keep these people alive. Somebody else has to help them keep in touch with the human community.

  47. Geek Corps by Eol1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is a high tech volunteer organization that goes into 3rd world country and helps their budding infrastructure.

    http://www.geekcorps.org/

    Thinking about doing it myself in a year or so.

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    1. Re:Geek Corps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      INFORMATIVE?

      Do the *moderators* not even read the articles?

      This was *specifically* mentioned in the article, and if you even halfway research them its obvious that they are a very limited organization with more volunteers than they can place. The guy is looking for some org that can use him.

      Who is causing the decline of slashdot, the immature trolls or the slashdot team and the moderators who dont do the basics to make this a better place.

  48. Afghanistan by Alien54 · · Score: 2
    While it is all very wild over there, if there was a way to get geek volunteers into Kabul, this would do more to bring the rest of the world to Afghanistan than anything.

    Point being, the first priority is not to bring democracy to Afghanistan, although this would be nice.

    [Afghanistan, in fact, is democratic to a fault. Typically they do not have one or two major parties. They tend to have hundreds of them.]

    What is more important is that _education_ is brought into the mix. Restoration of the education system is vital to an effective civilization, unless, like the Taliban, you maintain your power base through maintaining the population in ignorance.

    A major part of this is Education in Technology. Bringing technology to Afghanistan, along with all the other fundamental resuorces, would accelerate the recovery of the country.

    Information can be considered a fundamental resource for any civilization.

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  49. Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ...volunteer in your own community. Chances are, there are people in deep need right near where you live.


    I know going aboard is a nice way to see the world and all, but be a little less selfish and help kids in your own area to see if you can hack it.


    When you get older, take those trips abroad and LIVE over there to help people. It'll be much more effective.

  50. Better ways to use your talents to help others. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If you really want to help others, put your talents to work to MAKE MONEY. Then buy food & medicine, etc, for those needy people, or fund scholarships to send people with talents of organization & medicine, etc, to help those needy people. Don't waste your very valuable technical talents.

    Set yourself a goal of, say, being able to donate two years worth of your high income to charity work instead of doing low-wage work for a charity for two years.

  51. Idealist.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have a look at www.idealist.org for some ideas.

  52. Something any US citizen can do tomorr... NO today by clarkie.mg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is not necessary to go abroad to make something useful for the world.

    As you live in a democracy, you can encourage the people you voted for to change some politics that the USA have and that are the source of a lot of pain in the poor countries.

    The first things that come to my mind are the number of international treaties that the USA have not signed :

    1. the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW)

    2. the Convention on the Rights of Children (CRC). All countries except for the United States and Somalia have ratified it.

    3. the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty

    4. the ban on antipersonnel landmines (the Ottawa Treaty)

    5. the Kyoto Protocol

    6. the Law of the Sea Treaty

    All those treaties, if signed and applied, can make the world a better place for poor citizens of poor countries.

    There are also a number of treaties thatthe US has stripped to signe them.

    NOTE : Don't get me wrong, I am not your basic anti-US socialist european. In the numerous talks I had with people after the 11th september, I was always blaming those who said "It's their fault ! Good for them". I was (am) also defending the action against the taliban (except for the use of some nasty bombs).
    But, being a supporter of the US must not hide that it's a BIG SHAME to have not signed, ratified and applied those treaties at least !

    PS : sorry if some info is outdated, do not hesitate to notify me.

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  53. Peace Corps has some geek jobs by aggressivepedestrian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From 1987 to 1989, I was in the Peace Corps in Malawi. For two years, I taught high school, but during my third year I taught computer classes at a government training center, mostly to civil servants. I girlfriend (who became my wife), had a job developing database systems for an organization called Malawi Against Polio.

    By the way, there are a lot of things I disliked about the Peace Corps, but for the most part,the good outweighed the bad. And what an experience. Those were three of the most interesting and wonderful years of my life, despite some real hardships.

  54. out bombs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Plus if you are willing to go to Afganistan, I can assure you you will probably be on the next flight with out bombs!

    What are "out bombs"? They sound somewhat threatening to the Taleban, considering they are not too keen on gays.

  55. Voluteer to teach by jvollmer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Many years ago, I voluteered to teach in a rural school in Texas. I did this for two years and taught all of their Computer courses. I even wrote some specialized tutorial software for the schools. It was a blast. Go to: VESS

  56. Volunteer @ Home by awarenessgeek · · Score: 1

    There are some real interesting opportunities at home that can have big impacts world wide. If your into wildlife and helping kids Cyber Tracker World is gearing up for some interesting work. http://www.CyberTrackerWorld.org

  57. Doctors without borders SUCK. by aiken_d · · Score: 1

    Ok, I don't usually write comments with inflamatory subjects like this, but I'm really irritated with them.

    Two years ago, I gave DwoB $50 because I liked their attitude and cause. I'm not the most charitable person, but I regularly give $50ish to causes that strike me.

    I swear to you that DwoB has used that entire $50, and probably much more, to send me paper mail soliciting more money. I've gotten 2 to 3 pieces of USPS mail from them a month for the past two years. It's gotten to where I throw them out without opening them.

    Needless to say, they are not getting another dime from me. Maybe one of these days when I'm less irritated I'll deal with calling or writing them so they stop using other people's money to solicit me.

    Cheers
    -b

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  58. Re:Volunteer work would be great if you got paid.. by deaddrunk · · Score: 1

    So you think that the doctors that work for Doctors Without Borders are out-of-work hippies, rather than people that have been to medical school for years and are prepared to risk their lives to help others rather than have a cushy job in a US hospital. What a sad, obnoxious little shit you are. Perhaps having a wash more than once a month and actually leaving your bedroom might open your eyes.

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  59. Re:Try the embassy (Language is key) by imrdkl · · Score: 1

    An afterthought... no matter what option you finally choose, the single biggest advantage you can give yourself to get into the position and place that you want is to have a minimal working knowledge of the countrys language, including dialects, where applicable. This is hard advice for most americans, but believe me, it's the only way to fit in and really help.

  60. I'm just back from Kosovo ... by Tim+Ward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... helping to run the election.

    No, this didn't use my software engineering skills, but it did use my management experience gained on software projects. (Oh, and really you do need some experience of elections as well.)

    [Most of the volunteers at the Kosovo election were looking forward with more or less trepidation to the call to Afghanistan in a couple of years' time ...]

  61. Create an IT NGO by Satchel+Buddah · · Score: 1

    So many people, organistations and develloping countries could use IT Skills. An IT NGO could have several missions: supply IT expertise for other NGOs in need, devellop the infrastructure and spread IT science in the develloping countries.

    I cannot begin to express how rewarding it is to teach people with hunger for knowledge and outside communication in some of the world's most deshinerited countries. I did it under contract for a private firm, but I would be willing to do it for a NGO. There are so many ways to help.

  62. Getting the News out. by Irvu · · Score: 3, Informative

    I once asked a guy from Iraq about this. His country is facing massive starvation, medical problems, and decaying infrasturcture due to the U.N. Sanctions. Sanctions which aren't weakening Saddam any. (see here or here[msword warning])

    He personally had no need for a server farm. But he did need a news source. People support the sanctions he feels because the don't know how bad they really are. , but a news source, some way of getting the word out to the public, an Indymedia or a Cryptome. Something to inform the world of what is happening. That alone can make all the difference by motivating others to make changes or even volunteer their time.

    I'd suggest looking at one of those sites or starting another if you prefer.
    If you'd rather have a job the WHO is advertising for Professional staff (including IT).

  63. Yes but... by j7953 · · Score: 2
    ... and if I believe the adverts from one of these organisation, I am getting clean water to 1500 or so children.

    No. You are getting money to those who actually get water to 1500 or so children.

    Don't get me wrong -- what you're doing is a good thing, it is needed, and you're probably donating a lot more than the average. But the organisations to whom you donate also need people who can spend the money where it is needed, to help building infrastructure, schools etc. These organisations need both voluntary work and donations -- do whatever you prefer.

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  64. I volunteered with Geekcorps in Africa by haroldcore · · Score: 3, Informative

    I spent three months in Ghana, volunteering with Geekcorps. It's a good organization, providing support both for the volunteers and the community in which they operate.

    If you're looking to offer your geek skills and want to push yourself to make a difference in a challenging environment, I recommend you look into Geekcorps. Believe me, it's no walk in the park, and if you come out of the experience having made a positive difference in the lives of the people (and businesses) with whom you work, you'll have a real sense of accomplishment. Besides, there's nothing like immersion in a different culture to expand your horizons.

    Some people put forth an argument that goes something like this: Why help people with technology if they can't find food to eat? Frankly, I think this is an oversimplification. High tech skills philanthrophy is not mutually exclusive with food and medical aid. There's plenty of need for both in the developing world, and you have to choose how you can best contribute.

    If your strongest skills are in high tech, then you can make a real, positive impact on other people's lives, simply by sharing your knowledge. In Ghana, for example, a single employed individual is often responsible for supporting five, ten, even twenty other people who have trouble paying for their daily bread. If you can help one, two, three, or more people find gainful employment in a budding high tech industry, you're not only helping them improve their own lot in life, but you're indirectly helping everyone else in their family network.

    There's millions of dollars of aid going all over the world to help pay for food and medicine. How much effort is going to help working people rise up from menial jobs into the middle class? This is where high tech skills transfer can make a real difference. Check out Geekcorps at www.geekcorps.org. Take it from this former Geekcorps volunteer.

  65. United Nations Information Technology Service by descapa · · Score: 3, Informative

    Service opportunities for geeks:

    http://www.unites.org/

    Project listings:

    http://www.unites.org/Html/projects/projects.htm

  66. Re: start your own/support disabled users? by H310iSe · · Score: 2

    On this line any homebound/hospicebound (think children with cancer, the elderly, advanced aids patients, people with disablities, etc) can benefit *greatly* from the community the internet can bring to their otherwise isolated lives. There was an article on slashdot about helping the elderly w/ computers that had, if I recall, some links to organizations that do this. Think globally act locally?

    I also would argue w/ your opinion that tech does no good for starving people (server farm? let them eat servers!) - while it's an obviously true statement on one level think again. Starving people are starving because of insufficient infastructure, war, and oftentimes just plain lack of jobs and education. I don't think I need to elaborate on how technology in various forms can help these situations (yea, even war, if they get the world's attention to a problem (anyone remember live aid, south africa, or can anyone tell me why we helped in the balklands but not in rawanda? spotlight, mostly, IMHO). Basically the internet is a great way to send a message. Can you imagine a blog of a starving kid in some 'stan (Ubaki, kazi, wherever) - sensationalistic a-la Geraldo? sure. but it might get the kid enought attention to get some help.)

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  67. Internet Access Labs by Wire+Tap · · Score: 1

    If you do a bit of searching on google.com you can easily find hordes of people/organizations who take time out of their lives to go overseas to set up Internet access labs. Think about how helpful that ends up being to people in oppressed areas! I was following a man who went to Serbia and set up a lab for the Bosians. It's a great thing to do, as it gives them access to one of the most important things of our generation: information.

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  68. Two organizations by cascadefx · · Score: 3, Informative
    The first one that I would suggest is the Geek Corps. It has been in operation for a few years now and has sent its 3rd group to Africa to help with infrastructure and business development using communications technology. Check it out.

    Closer to home is an opportunity to work for your living with an amazing organizaion. While not strictly volunteering, it would definitly be a paycut. Habitat for Humanity does more to promote cross cultural peace than any other organization that I know of. Nothing breaks down barriers more than providing decent living arrangements for total strangers. The Job Opportunities page currently lists these current technical positions:


    • Youth Programs Coordinator
      PS 1415
      This position is responsible for assisting the Youth Programs Officer in supporting Habitat for Humanity affiliates and campus chapters in developing age-appropriate activities for youth ages 5-16. It involves developing resources and publications related to youth programs, facilitating workshops at Habitat regional conferences, responding to inquiries related to youth, and contributing to HFHI publications. The qualified applicant must have excellent writing and public speaking skills, be self-directed, Microsoft Office familiarity, strong interpersonal skills, experience with the programmatic aspect of a community service organization, and a Bachelorfs degree in a related field.

      Reconstruction Volunteers*
      Facilities Management
      Basic Volunteer
      Under the direction of the Property Manager, work with other volunteers in fixing, restoring, and furnishing HFHI housing to the accepted standard set by Operations. Repair corporate buildings as needed. Responsibilities and duties include: understanding safety precautions and utilizing them at all times; repairing broken plumbing fixtures in bathrooms and kitchens; painting houses, both interior and exterior; repairing/installing floors, walls, windows, hanging doors, and mirrors; light construction duties; and working independently to identify or replace defective mechanical equipment. The qualified applicant should have six months of related maintenance or construction experience, have the ability to work with various tools, both power and hand-held, be able to complete assigned duties in a timely manner, be able to work well with others and able to lift 75 lbs regularly.

      *At this time, the Americus/Sumter County Affiliate is no longer in need of Construction Volunteers, until further notice. However, we are very much in need of Reconstruction Volunteers.

      Application Technician - Habitrak
      PS #184
      Basic Volunteer Position
      This position is responsible for supporting Affiliate information systems that are sanctioned and distributed by HFHI, e.g., Habitrak and International Mortgage Tracking System. This position provides customer service and technical support for all HFHI Affiliates using these products. As well, this position receives questions and requests via phone and e-mail and responds in appropriate manner; tracks problems and recommends temporary workarounds and long-term fixes; works with customers, Program and Project managers to analyze information needs and existing systems; assists in design, implementation and enhancement of new and existing programs; documents all problems, resolutions and procedures per HFHI guidelines; assists in customer training; and maintains and enhances good customer relations. The position is also responsible for participating in the specifications and scheduling of product enhancements, testing and implementation. This position exercises a leadership role in promoting awareness of Affiliate information product needs. Relevant experience in software development, programming, or as a systems/business analyst; expertise in MS Office products, MS Visual Basic, MS Access; and customer service, training experience, and technical proficiency in SQL or major RDBMS preferred. This position performs other related duties as assigned. The qualified applicant will have strong analytical and technical skills and excellent communication and interpersonal skills. As well, the qualified applicant would have a Bachelorfs degree from an accredited institution. A degree in Business or Computer Science preferred. Qualifying experience may be substituted for the Education requirement on a year-for-year basis up to a maximum of two (2) years.

    • #0974 Client Server Analyst Programmer
      Posting Period 11/09/01 - 12/15/01
      Projected hire date 01/07/02 or before
      Position located in Americus, GA.
      This position functions as the primary application support for the International Mortgage Tracking System (IMTS). IMTS is an automated business management application for HFH international affiliates written in Visual Basic using current market tools such as Crystal Reports; ensures efficient information processing, data integrity, and delivery of useful accurate information to the users; Visual Basic programming and development along with clear communication with both technical and business personnel are the key duties for this position along with demonstrating sound knowledge of business processes and systems support requirements. Must have a Bachelor's degree or equivalent experience with at least ten semester hours in any combination of Business, Computer Science, Management Information Systems, Management Science, Mathematics, Statistics, or a related field and three years relevant work experience. Must also have three years experience in information technologies; practical working knowledge of IBM PC computers, MS Office products, and MS NT workstation; programming and systems analysis experience; business analysis and RDBMS experience; practical working experience with MS Access, FileMaker Pro, Crystal Reports, SQL server, Visual Basic and ASP.
      ($31,450)

    • And of course they can always use vulunteers at your local field office. Look them up in your phone book and offer your services.




    I think this also underscores the point that many organizations need your help and have a hard time recruiting people at reduced pay. Check out your favorite organization and see what sort of technical positions they have posted. If you want to gain more than a paycheck out of your work, then they may be able to use you.

    Here are some other opportunities offered through the United nations:

    United Nations Information Technology Services. From thier website: In his Millennium Report, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan stressed the importance for developing countries to benefit from the opportunities emerging from the digital revolution. He proposed the creation of a global volunteer programme aimed at bridging the digital divide between industrialized and developing countries. UNITeS, the United Nations Information Technology Service, is an initiative that channels the creative energies, skills and solidarity of volunteers around the world to collaborate with people in the South to improve their capacity to make practical use of information and communications technologies (ICT). In key fields like health, education, income generation, gender equity, environment or humanitarian aid, volunteers working under the UNITeS programme are striving to bridge the digital divide, one person at a time. The United Nations Volunteers programme is coordinating this new, UN ICT volunteer initiative.

    The United Nations Volunteers offer opportunities locally and abroad.

  69. Have you ever thought... by Krapangor · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...about working in the IT industry and making a decent money. You can always DONATE money to any volunteer organisation. And they can do something with it. When you are volunteering you are pretty useless for decent 3. world development projects. However, your money can make much use from such projects.
    Think about it: 100 $ make may supply several people with food/medication for some days. These are 1-3 hours of work for IT people.
    What useful could you do in 1-3 hours in a 3 world country ?
    Volunteering might make you feel good, but DONATIONS do something good.
    Decide for yourself what you really want.

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    1. Re:Have you ever thought... by MKalus · · Score: 1

      Yes,

      I have thought about this, I AM working in IT and I make a decent pay and yes, I also give, buy stuff from places where I know it gets to the people who actually grow the food etc.

      But at the end of the day this is NOT something that satisfies me on a personal level.

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  70. Here's a place to start by Voline · · Score: 1

    Almost all groups similar to the ones that you mentioned have servers, websites, and use email to keep in contact with each other. Therefore they have need of in-house geeks. This would likely be in the home office, but you never know.

    Here's a link to a site that just might help in your search for such groups that operate in the United States.

    http://www.interaction.org/

    Good Luck

  71. Re:Boring! Re:fp by easter1916 · · Score: 1

    Nivau == niveau == "level", in English.

  72. Counter the madrassahs: start a secular school by MattJ · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If I were fluent in Urdu, I like to think I would be on the next plane to Peshawar, Pakistan, to create a non-religious school. I think that, if successful, that plan would give one of the highest bangs for the buck that an individual could get right now in nonprofit work.

    Poor Pakistanis put their sons into madrassahs for several reasons. It's free to them (sponsored by rich Islamists abroad), the boys are clothed and fed, they learn the *rudiments* of a normal education, and it allows them to serve their religion. Parents have no other options, since the Pakistan government fails to provide real money for public schools (and the other social services the madrassahs provide).

    If you were to create a free school oriented around math and science, that offered kids some chance of getting a real job somewhere down the line, I think you'd get plenty of willing students. (Remember, Pakistanis and Afghans do not hate Western technology, just because some of them hate the culture it comes from.)

    You simply don't talk about Islam. And you don't teach Arabic. Arabic isn't the language of business in Pakistan, Urdu is. So you teach Urdu and English (the global language of business and science). You don't discredit or analyze Islam; you simply say it's the business of a family and its mosque to teach religion, not the business of a technical school. (Besides, there really isn't time, given all the other stuff you need to teach them.) You could also teach girls, which madrassahs never do (although you might decide it's culturally easier to teach them in separate classes or schools).

    Each student you take in potentially represents a family lifted out of poverty, and a life turned away from violence and terrorism.

  73. Re:Volunteer work would be great if you got paid.. by raju1kabir · · Score: 2

    My God, that's pathetic.

    First of all, I can think of few employers that wouldn't let you take a year off for something like that. Personally, I've never had problems getting extended leaves even for entirely hedonistic pursuits such as long-term travel - even when working for the government.

    Secondly, you really think it's all "out of work hippies" donating time? Ever heard of United Nations Volunteers? Medecins Sans Frontieres? These organizations bring some of the world's most capable and accomplished people out into the field to do constructive, beneficial work.

    If you really can't see past the short-term minutiae of buzzword retraining in the face of proven opportunities to make a real difference in the world, you are doomed to a shallow and useless life.

    --
    "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
  74. VSO by FerretJohn · · Score: 2, Informative

    I returned recently from a year in Nepal, at the national library there and any skills that you have are useful out there. If you can build a wall thats handy and if you can sort out the website and the computer systems thats useful too. Its all about teaching others about your culture, and learning while doing a useful development project. John 'Ferret' Barbrook

  75. geekcorps.org by braddock · · Score: 4, Informative
    Folks should definitely check out the Geek Corps.

    www.geekcorps.org

    One of the nice things about the Geek Corps is that instead of trying to do it all themselves, they instead concentrate on educating local's and helping local businesses to build an information infrastructure.

    In addition, it sounds like it would be a great time because Geekcorp volunteers all live together during their stay.

    -Braddock Gaskill

  76. Teach English by scj · · Score: 1

    Many people in other countries are trying to learn English. Maybe they don't need your tech skills, but your native English speaking skills are needed.

    I suggest you try China. We desperately need better relations with China. You could show them that we aren't monsters who intentionally bomb embassies and crash our spy planes into military jets :) If you have a university degree, you can probably get a year-long job at a university in China as an English teacher. Also, learning Chinese might help your career when you get back.

    Do a web search on "teach english in china". Good luck at finding a way to make a difference in the world.

  77. Please Help Us! by +junis_al_barek_ash_ · · Score: 2, Funny

    As a poor Afghan Internet Mogul I see the need for better computer access in third world countries. Do we not crave the same hi quality porn the internet provides? Do we not seek MP3's from big corporate music just like you? If only we had the access that you so fortunately enjoy My coop needs more computer! junis

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  78. GeekCorps, why not ? by terminal.dk · · Score: 1

    First of all, I have been out training people in joint venture companies in Bangladesh and Uganda. So I have been out in the 3rd world. This was done with government funding as part of the danish private sector programme under Danida.

    The one thing to remember here is, that you can deliver food aid to the poor countries, you can do many things to help, but the only thing that will have a lasting effect is education and training. Make it possible for them to sell their skills or goods, and it will be to the good of the country.

    You can't help all the poor people at once, but you can help make a middle class, and make the country richer.

    Why are people dying in northern Uganda as an example ? They are dying because gangs of bandits and robbers are there. They no longer have any political reason for what they do, so they are plain criminals. They attack, kill, rape, plunder people who are not protected by the military.

    So the way to help the poor people up there is to kill all the robbers. Is this a solution ? If we make the country richer, the robbers might come back. Or the government will get resources to eliminate them.

  79. Gosh, how nice of you! by Jules · · Score: 1

    The next time you see somebody fall over in the street, why not just flip a twenty at them? Should you see a car wreck on your way home perhaps you can slow down enough to dump your change out of the window. Chances are you'll be doing these folks a real favor as it's obvious the last thing they need is your physical help.

    1. Re:Gosh, how nice of you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      it's an absurd example, but if we had mobile connectivity and micropayments, passers-by could bid money to pay someone to stop.

      it is absurd only because it would be difficult to implement. that system would work extremely well in getting help to accident victims.

      markets work when they are practical, and the suggestion to donate money to charities is at least as good as the suggestion to volunteer time.

  80. Money is the issue, right? by bort13 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Here's my take on this, as an American with some experience overseas:
    Americans overseas are generally problematic. They tend not to know the native languages, and however well-intentioned, make the people there culturally self-concious just by being their old USA selves. The most helpful volunteers would have skills mentioned above, but also be somewhat culturally aware and be able to speak the language.
    IMO, developed with work experience in several connected industries, many big name non-profit organizations are huge money and publicity generators. I'm not convinced of their ability or their willingness to really help anything. I now have a general distrust of large non-profits in general, but pay attention to their issues.
    With your basic, everyday experience as an American, you can in all likelihood find a good job in the USA. With one job, you can usually get another, better, well-paying job. This is the mandate of our Capitalist culture. There are tradeoffs here, and it's easier for some than others; but a native-born American young person has a good shot in life here.
    People in many countries make shit for wages -- really incredible, like $8 per day in some countries in Europe. They need more companies to provide better paying jobs.
    There's no quick answer for capital distribution, it moves slowly in general. Converseley, systematic investment over time creates new areas of wealth.

    So what does this entail? You can make a shitload of money here -- really, all you have to do is work. What you do with that money is about the most impact you can have. Investing capital in companies creates economies, domestically and overseas. For the QED: invest in companies or mutual funds that either help where you deem a great need exists, or toward an ideal you hold. Whatever. Your money is your vote.

    Some links:
    Socially Responisible investing
    Mutual Funds, green and otherwise

    1. Re:Money is the issue, right? by MKalus · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the article, but (as I forgot to state) I am NOT American, I am from Europe currently living in Canada.

      I see your point but the language barrier is the least of my worries.

      Michael

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  81. Re:Move to Redmond and start a multi-billion $ cor by haruharaharu · · Score: 2

    You'd be doing the world a lot more good if you stayed in the States and used your most productive years to start a business that employed gazillions of people.

    That's only true if you value something strictly by the money it generates. Truth is, there's a lot more to the world than money

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  82. Sustainable development and open source by accordiondude · · Score: 1

    I've volunteered at several local non profits, and I decided the best way to use my skills is to work on relevant open source projects. Here is the path to this conclusion:

    -Volunteer at a small communtiy based non-profit, that already understands the power of computers to make their organization more efficient.
    -Find an endless number of ways you can use technology to make them even more efficient.
    -Realize that these solutions need to be super easy to use and support. Why? These employees are very overworked, and shouldn't have to waste time figuring out an unecessarily complicated tool.
    -Realize it is not useful to write custom apps, because there will be no support when you leave.
    -Look for easy to use pre-existing tools that are stable and can be figured out by someone after you leave. You find they cost $$$$.
    -Find many many open source projects that would be very useful but they aren't easy enough to use yet, or they require a linux server or desktop.
    -Setup a linux server with WebAdmin, so they can easily reconfigure it.
    -Note that it shouldn't require a geek to turn a old computer into a very useful easy to configure linux server.
    -Look closer at the linux desktops and find they are almost easy enough to use and configure.
    -Fix

    Open source is the perfect IT solution for sustainable developement. Sure, the non-profit can get a big grant and buy fast computers with all the latest proprietary software, but then they have to keep getting grants to upgrade their software. And they need to upgrade their computers to run this new software. This translates into a lot of unecessary capital just to get started and to stay up-to-date.

  83. Re:Something any US citizen can do tomorr... NO to by WINSTANLEY · · Score: 1

    Yeah, like the way to end to end the Vietnam War was to write letters to your Congressman.

    Having a fairly in-depth knowledge of the political system in the US, I can say with some confidence, almost anything you do to help development in the poorer nations will probably bear more fruit than trying to work for change in the American political system. I wish it weren't true, but it is relatively easily to demonstrate
    (and it something that many american progressives/liberals have no clue of)

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  84. Re:Move to Redmond and start a multi-billion $ cor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    employing unemployed people is a noble cause. if you don't value money, then spend it employing even more.

    that poster was right and you were wrong because you don't understand how economies work. employing people is the secret to all the wealth that the West has produced. when you 3rd worlders figure that out you'll begin to catch up.

  85. Habitat for Humanity by HappyJoy · · Score: 1

    Habitat is a great organization to work for: it benefits folks both in the US and abroad, both at a basic social service level (you get a roof over your head) and at a more long-term, community-building level. I've worked with them at the local affiliate level in a non-technical job, but they often have tech jobs available to assist with their infrastructure. Most of those jobs are located at their headquarters in Georgia, but the occasional international posting comes through. Check out Habitat's HR Page for details.

  86. Two projects by bckspc · · Score: 1

    IANA programmer, but I did teach basic computer skills at locally owned hotels in Jamaica for six weeks as part of a sustainable development project for the OAS. NetCorps Canada does similar work.

    Also check out idealist.org, search their listings, and get on their email list of volunteer opportunities.

  87. Re:Something any US citizen can do tomorr... NO to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    children are not exploited in the US. if all of those other countries have signed that treaty, then how will the US signing it help any children? if all those other countries care so much to sign, don't they care enough to take care of their kids? could it be that those treaties are bull?

  88. My Experience by Taliban+Lecher · · Score: 1

    I did something like that for a non technical project, just like You might imagine, lots of projects lack computer expertise and training.

    So I held courses in Internet usage a few years ago. Better look out for languages spoken there ;-)

    The recipe I worked with was getting into the stuff of a project (e.g. running NGO, Office organization, medical Basics whatever you are interested in) and then approaching those who deal with that. I offered my ideas what I could be helpful for (setting up Internet access, training, consulting) a little tailored for what thought they want (not really too hard to guess).

    I had no expectations which country they sent me to, just by languages I learnt (just too many years ago).

    I then found an NGO who 'bought' me, sending me to a crisis region soon after (well sort of) a civil war. There were no compusa anythings round the corner, so I had to be prepared what I didn't know would expect me.

    Definitely one of the best things I ever did. I later heard of www.geekcorps.org which was in way like that but I very much liked the specificness of what I did.

    No, I didnt tell mom before.

  89. All together Now! Focus!! by 3seas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What the World Wants

    This is really important. That is the information regarding the amount of
    the world military resources being three times that needed to solve all
    the major problems in the world.

    The logic is along the lines of preventitive health care.

    Solve the problems, take care of the world, and you greatly reduce the
    probability of conflict and of course prevent large bills of warfare.

    The more people that digest this information, the sooner it will happen!

    with heart! 3seas

    P.S. Of the many ways computer technology fits in: this may be of interest.
    .

  90. Actually this exactly what I do for a living by JahToasted · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you're Canadian, CUSO is always recruiting for IT postions. My first job out of college was a netcorps (6 month) postion in Kingston, Jamaica. Basically building crappy Access databases (if you can consider Access a database) some web pages, and a lot of training. Once here I made some contacts with an organisation (PACT) and 3 or 4 months after I went home they called and had me back as a full CUSO cooperant, with a little extra pay. Now I'm halfway through a 2-year contract and I've been told that I can stay longer if I choose.

    Right now I'm developing our web page (www.jamaica-kidz.com , yeah should be .org but it was already there when I started and we can't afford to alias it) and a Performance Tracking System database (to give funders indicators on the results of the project). This is all to help a nation-wide literacy project.

    Overall it's a great job... I travel all over the island working with over 30 organisations, and on the weekends I'm a few hours drive from the nicest beaches in the world. Of course there is some amount of violence here... but after a while you know how to keep safe.

    If you are looking for computer related jobs in the third world, there are positions out there. check CUSO, and also VSO (I was gonna take a postion with them before I got a better offer from CUSO).

    There are a lot of developing nations where there already is running water, electricity and (in most parts) telephone. In these countries education is a priority and that's where the computers come in. Computers can be used to help people to learn to read. And besides that, do you think it's a good idea to for countries that are already behind to get further behind by neglecting IT? I wish anyone considering this line of work lots of luck.

    1. Re:Actually this exactly what I do for a living by JahToasted · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the url for cuso should be www.cuso.org

  91. Working in the IT field by quadrinary · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Last year, I spent 8 months working for a couple NGO's INSIDE of Afghanistan. believe me, the need for workers in the IT industry is great for these orgs. i didn't get paid while i was there, had to raise my own money. Howerver, it was a completely fulfilling time. just shop around i suppose; there are many organizations out there, and many need computer help. me? i did a lot of networking inside offices, general PC maintenance, and radio system setup and maintenance. despite harsh conditions, harsh taliban, and language bariers, i made it, and came out a better and more rounded person.

    doensn't mean you have to go to Afghanistan, but it shows that even in the worst place on earth, there was a need.

    many religious groups work in these kind of places in the world, and are your easiest link to this kind of work, but many government sponsored programs also exist, and need help.

    the UN offered me a salary of over $100,000 if i would work for them.. so the opportunities are there.. just keep your eyes open and do your research.

    1. Re:Working in the IT field by MKalus · · Score: 1

      Thanks I will.

      I am aware that this is probably going to be a "no pay" job but in the end I don't really care about this, I am not looking to work for them to become richt etc.

      Religious groups: Well, that is the one thing I am not really are interrested in getting involved with, I don't like the idea of spearheading something that might just cause more problems :) But the UN is actually a good tip and I am sure to check them out.

      Michael

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    2. Re:Working in the IT field by MKalus · · Score: 1

      Thanks I will.

      I am aware that this is probably going to be a "no pay" job but in the end I don't really care about this, I am not looking to work for them to become richt etc.

      Religious groups: Well, that is the one thing I am not really are interrested in getting involved with, I don't like the idea of spearheading something that might just cause more problems :) But the UN is actually a good tip and I am sure to check them out.

      Michael

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  92. Re:Volunteer work would be great if you got paid.. by ainsoph · · Score: 1

    You really need to get out and see the world. I did, and it was the best experience of my life. Next up, I want to go and do work over there so I can make a difference, and have a rewarding existance. Sorry but the dot-bomb stuff that happened (while I was over in Asia for a year) made me realize more than a few things. Its interesting to juxtapose village life in Nepal with the strange avenues we tend to persue.

    See if you go through life thinking its a bunch of hippies who are going over there and doing such a thing, then like the other responder said, you are doomed to a shallow and useless life.

    Getting up off your ass and doing it is so easy once you realize it is, and far more rewarding than the worker/slave mentality this country promotes as the answer to all of your ills.

    It just makes you ill. Here's to hoping you go and see your world.

  93. Help begins at home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it that everyone rushes to help the third world, but nobody gives a shit about the Native Americans who live below the poverty line, have no access to technology, have shitty medical care if any, etc. Instead of helping the third world, why not help out at home? And if you don't like Native Americans, go check out poor areas of the US, like West Virginia, Kentucky, etc. You can find the third world just a domestic flight away...

  94. Your question is pointless. by Blind+Demiurge+Ialda · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    What is the point of the internet when thousands of people die every day?

    The point is that you are living your life the way you want to live it. Now, if you want to waste your precious life trying to save others from the inevitable, then that is your business.

    On the other hand, why the hell would you want to work for free?

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  95. Re:Move to Redmond and start a multi-billion $ cor by looie · · Score: 0
    You'd be doing the world a lot more good if you stayed in the States and used your most productive years to start a business that employed gazillions of people. There are two advantages to this: In the interim, gazillions of employees have enough disposable income to be able to settle down and raise families, and, in the long run, when you get old you will have enough money to really help the beneficiary of your choice. PS: Most charities are, at best, fraudulent, but are more likely to be detrimental to the very people they are supposed to help.

    100% pure libertarian tripe.

    No-account wannabees use this kind of thinking as an excuse for not behaving decently toward their fellow human beings.

    Selfishness is not a virtue, despite Ayn Rand's asseverations to the contrary. The reason you will never amount to much is that you never stop thinking about yourself long enough to do anybody any good. The life of Howard Hughes is a good parable for you to ponder.

    mp

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  96. If you're a Christian... by Micah · · Score: 2

    we're not ready yet, but something like this is one thing we're hoping to do with Geeks4Christ.

    Now if only we were organized and had some projects going... :-) But if anyone is interested, feel free to e-mail me.

  97. Supporting Role by joe90 · · Score: 1

    An old work mate of mine and his fiance worked for a year and a half for a mission somewhere in western Africa (I can't recall which country) - him as "the computer guy", providing LAN & telecommunications/internet capability and operational support for the mission and it's staff, and his fiance as a midwife working for a hospital.

    They had to pay for everything, but claim it was one of the best experiences of their lives, rewarding, exciting and scary. One of life's great experiences.

    Despite the fact that the work they did was for a religious mission, the mission did provide benefits otherwise not available to that part of the world, providing real benefits to the individuals as well as the entire community.

    So while my friend did not directly aid (i.e. digging wells, teaching about efficient and sustainable agriculture etc.) the community, he enabled others to, while ensuring that the missions resources were used to maximum benefit.

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  98. Aesop by ohfcab · · Score: 1

    A organization in Australia which goes by the name of Aesop, provides professional services to 3rd world / developing countries. My brother works with flash and director and has been contracted for work in the Phillipines, and Papua New Guinea. 1 month stints seem to be the norm with food, accomodation and a (very) basic allowance provided.

    http://www.aesop.org.au/

  99. www.canadianvolunteers.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.canadianvolunteers.org I believe they are a general registry as well, if you're in canada try and get in touch with them

  100. Re:Geekcorps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spanish required? The language of mindless revolutionaries? I say FORCE them to learn English. It is the defacto technical language and would help thos pendejos tremendously.

  101. Towerofbabel.com is always looking for help by Malcs · · Score: 1

    Towerofbabel.com is always looking for help.

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  102. Current U.N IT vacancies. by Irvu · · Score: 1

    The U.N. is seeking Trained IT people right now.

  103. It's not easy to volunteer as a geek by MastaBaba · · Score: 1

    Many mixed replies on this topic.

    Like one of the other posters on this thread, I have been to Ghana with GEEKCORPS and it was a blast. (my story)

    The argument 'why give them IT, they need bread or medicince' makes some sense but not much. The whole point of teaching these people how to work with computers is teaching them how to be self sufficient and be able to compete. Sure, many need bread and water, but giving them bread and water will result in them needing more bread and water tomorrow. Teach them how to fish, don't give 'm the fish.

    On another note, I find it exceptionally hard to volunteer, as a geek, for development work. Not UNV, not Habitat, not VSO or any of the other organizations I have spoken with seem to understand the sheer importance of IT both within and without their organization in relation to development work. All seem to be much more interested in people with educations in social sciences. Maybe understandable, but a pain for us geeks. And what's the added value of someone who is very passionate about supporting but maybe isn't a perfect match on a professional level?

    Then there's the argument of donating instead of offering first hand help. *just* giving money (or medicines, or anything) doesn't help at all. Not in the long run. It should be all about teaching these people how to be self sufficient. And of course, if you decide to help people yourself you do need sponsoring.

    So what should you do? If you're really interested, better the world by starting right at your front door. Be tolerant, be friendly, help people out where you can and try to make a difference. The change starts with you.

    And of course, making that change in Burkina Faso or Nepal or Ecuador is just a tad more interesting.

  104. put your foot where your money is by blisspix · · Score: 1

    people should not be complacent about donating to charity. it should be well thought out. charities often take a large slice of donations for advertising, wages, and their own administration. world vision takes like 40%. this is really bad. imagine the person who only donates like $2 a year, and only $1.20 makes it to the people they want to help.

    do your research, make your choice, but most of all, volunteer. it doesn't have to be abroad, what about all those community groups in town who need you - community media, aged care facilities, schools, environmenal groups, youth-at-risk centres, etc.

  105. Disability considerations by Arctech · · Score: 1

    Currently I believe there is a shortage of support and developers for computer related handicapped devices and applications (at least that's my understanding from my conversations with those who've worked with and had experience with this area).

    I wondered if some open source avenues could be taken toward this end, since what these people need is effective, reliable, and long lasting software.
    Granted, it's not overseas saving the world behind a console, but it's a good start, and a nobel endevor none the less.

  106. indian organisation by yoda_is_tall · · Score: 1

    I did 6 weeks of software dev work (mostly SQL Server, Access, Excel and VB) for a NGO in India that was organised through my university in Australia. Pratham is a group that helps provide education to Indian children who can't afford it. They have over 100,000 children in programs in Mumbai alone and manage to do a lot of good work without much resources. I can't speak for the organisation but I'm pretty sure anyone with some IT training would be welcomed with open arms as they really need some good systems in place to track the childrens' progress to make sure the classes are doing as well as they should.

    I've got heaps more info should anyone be interested. get me on ssippe@hotNOSPAMmail@com

  107. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...volunteer when you can make big bucks as a professional x-pat in the tech field overseas?

    The third-world countries need medical care and refrigeration before they need video-conferencing and telecommunting.

    You need to go and see the world first, me thinks.

  108. Re:Volunteer work would be great if you got paid.. by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

    Not necesarrily. As another poster has pointed out. Taking a year out for world travel rarely puts anyone behind the eight ball hard enough that it's not swiftly recovorable on the first job back home. Anyway if you dont get the old job back (do you want it back?) you get a new one. It's IT remember.

    Seriously speaking, I spent six months doing something far more contentious than human welfare work, and that was forest-rescue work. You know, chaining to trees and the like, and it still ended with me going straight into IT work. I've done defence work, security work, and many fairly conservative jobs since, and no one really is bothered by my "hippie" stance, because employers value passion and motivation.

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  109. Making a Living and Helping on a Tropical Island by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I ran across this little business for sale, Paradise Computers/Internet Cafe on Roatan Island off the North coast of Honduras in Central America. I was thinking of buying it and also offering free computer classes for the locals. It's an English speaking island and it's been proven that many young (and not so young), non-educated people have a natural affinity for computers and could really bring something to the island with a little knowledge. I found the business here.

  110. I'm a geek who's been working in Brazil... by pdcull · · Score: 1
    ...for seven years now, and would like to through out the following random ideas.

    (1) Some people have said that it's smarter to work and donate your money. I personally wouldn't throw my money near *any* big-name aid agency, as I've seen what happens to the money that is given to some of these places.

    (2) Often we have very unrealistic ideas of what people need. The teens I work with in a Rio slum need to finish primary school, not learn computer science. But computers can help. I've run free computer courses, and also use computers for educational tasks such as encyclopeadias.

    (3) Geeks can learn to do other stuff, like first aid, visiting families to assess need and give out food etc.

    (4) People need people. Although changing infrastructures and eliminating corruption are lofty ideals, as foreigners we have no right to meddle in another nation's internal affairs, espeically politics. But we can help individuals. It mightn't change the nation all at once, nor eliminate all of the problems overnight, but it does make a difference to that person.

    My story is online at www.pcebrasil.org

  111. The Toughest Job You'll Ever Love... by HardCase · · Score: 2
    What about the Peace Corps? They need math and science teachers. That would be the first place I'd look.


    -h-

  112. Re:Volunteer work would be great if you got paid.. by scrytch · · Score: 2

    If I had a company and somebody came to me with a resume showing he took off for a year to do goodwill work in some other country, all I'd see is a guy who needs retraining on a years worth of technology changes. You want to help out, donate money. Let the out of work hippies donate months of their lives.

    I really don't want to judge you, but I won't hide the contempt I felt when I read that. Feels good saying who you'd hire and fire if you ran the zoo, doesn't it? Power trip fantasies, I know all about 'em, they really help boost the ego. Know what's also a good ego trip? Connecting to people, knowing what makes 'em tick. Knowing that with a few good questions, you could tell whether this guy was slumming it in the backwaters and lording it over the population while drinking down the local brew every night because they couldn't hack it back home, or whether this is someone who really knows how to relate to real strangers, folks with different cultures and idioms, someone who knows how to make do on a tight budget, under less than ideal conditions, with less than the state of the art. Heck, sometimes they're both the same person, not everyone who's effective is a saint. That's the real world ... one in which you don't own that company, and perhaps never will if you don't appreciate what your employees bring to the workplace beyond empty certifications.

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  113. demining by Proud+Geek · · Score: 2

    Demining, for example the Canadian International Demining Corps is an excellent opportunity. It combines knowledge, skills, unique environments, and an element of danger, all with the chance to help people recover from conflicts and rebuild. It's demanding, and there is a lot of way to go to finish it. One hot spot is Afghanistan; imagine going there to help the place recover. You can bet that the most recent conflict there hasn't reduced the number of mines, but it has led to a suspension of demining activity. When it is safe on the ground again, it will start back again.

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  114. Another possibility: Bible translation by Cap'n+Q · · Score: 1

    Wycliffe Bible Translators lists a number of computer-related opportunities at http://www.wycliffe.org/computer/home.htm

    WBT works to make the Bible available to people in their native language. Doing this often includes setting up literacy programs, and sometimes even developing a written version of languages that only have an oral history.

  115. To help others, first you must help yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would advise you to just get up and go and see the world. It is much much bigger than you could possibly imagine, and you probably cannot do anything of great significance in your current state. The best thing you can do is go and be with other people, not computers. Then you may understand a little more about life, and can then make some educated guesses about what you need to do for your own personal growth. Then, perhaps after many years, you can be of use to the world.

  116. Bringing Linux to a school in Nepal by rodo · · Score: 1
    You might want to check out the Ganeshas Project

    The project consists of three volunteers that flew to Nepal a few weeks ago and several others that assist them remotely from here in Berlin.

    Their mission is to build a network infrastructure in a particular Nepalese school and teach the kids how to make use of it, utilizing mostly donated hardware and open source software.

    Their training will hopefully enable some of the kids to become admins on their own and to further transfer the knowledge to more people in Nepal.

  117. Re: volunteer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are in the tech field, and you are in your last years of college, or recently graduated then you might consider IAEST iaeste.org??? International Association for the Exchange of Students for Technical Experience.

    That's how I started my career, recent grad, you pay your transport, they get you the "internship" and I ended up working for Philips Semiconductors in Eindhoven,The Netherlands. The pay was low (but better than 4 free) and I was doing real engineering job, on a real project. No regrets.

  118. Try IT Corps by Elvis+Maximus · · Score: 2
    IT Corps is a program run by George Mason University in cooperation with the UN Development Programme that sends IT people all over the world to do international development work. They don't pay -- in fact, you have to pay your own way -- but you get to work within the UN system (with all the support and prestige that implies) and they have programs in many countries where nobody else is doing this kind of thing.

    I toured one UNDP project that used IT Corps people in Egypt. It was a young project, but it had potential.

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  119. Re:Move to Redmond and start a multi-billion $ cor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya know, I *rea-a-lly* hope that this was posted by a troll. But I'll bet it was just posted by an idiot.

  120. Don't count it out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In actual fact, many of these organisations can't afford to pay for huge IT departments, though they rely on PCs and notebooks heavily. So while it's unlikely you'd get a paying job with them in the IT field, if you're willing to volunteer and help them with strategic projects and planning there is a need.

    I'm a geek who's working for Drs. without Borders but not as a geek - I'm drawing on my other experience to work as a logistician. But it's frustrating to watch as I see all the problems and deficiencies in their IT structure. They need to get the time and space to do some proper planning and execution, but they don't have the budget for it. Perhaps you can target these types of needs within the organisations you wish to work with.

  121. Re: start your own/support disabled users? by MikeFM · · Score: 2

    I've worked with the disabled and poor before also and it has led me to think that sometimes it can actually be more useful to provide tech support than to provide food.

    The disabled benefit a lot by hackers like us donating time, code, plans, etc. Setting up a computer with a voice reader, writing a more handicapped friendly UI to a common program, or donating opensourced wheelchair designs could be incredibly helpful. I do hope everyone here knows that the average childrens wheelchair is kludged together by idiots who've never sat in a wheelchair (and thus make some pretty horrible designs), has about the same number of parts as a bicycle, and typically cost about $5000. If you could provide a good design for common items such as a wheelchair that were opensource and had a charity that would build them and give them away at cost you'd be doing an incredible favor.

    As for the poor I take the opinion that you're better off letting others feed them but pick some that are being fed and teach them some useful skills. Advanced farming techniques, programming, engineering, etc. Teaching poor people to read Bible lessons or plow a field the old way is pretty useless if you're trying to break them off the starvation/welfare cycle. Skills are what makes the difference. That gives them some pride and the ability to compete on equal ground with the best of us.

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  122. Education by DeBaas · · Score: 1

    What about starting an education portal. Internet access is one thing, educating yourself is another. Seems to me finding online free courses is a hard thing to do. Also for teachers that can make courses it is not that easy to get a course online.

    It may not be all that spectacular staying at home, but it may be something valuable?

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  123. More Americanisms by GC · · Score: 2

    This is, of course, understandable as I don't really think anybody needs a server farm if they don't have enough to eat at the end of the day."

    I seem to make a habit of pointing out these typical americanisms, often at the expense of Karma. I suppose you can't help getting narrow-minded moderators.

    The sentence read in the context of the article, as if every country outside of the USA has a famine problem. There are plenty of volunteer organisations around the world in countries that are not experiencing drought or famine, judging by US cable TV - the USA is one of those countries.

  124. There is a group out there looking for IT skills.. by radar_uk · · Score: 1

    They pay pretty well, don't do layoffs (well, only once every 25 years or so...), and give pretty good bonuses for IT professionals.

    The only down side is guaranteed employment for three to four years.

    I realize not everyone on this board is an American citizen, but those that are might consider military service as an option.

    Besides, the majority of missions (those that aren't in the news because they've become so routine) being performed prior to 9/11 were humanitarian-related.

  125. ICT volunteers do make a difference by jcravens42 · · Score: 1

    You wrote that "but as nice as it sounds to bring the internet in parts of the world who don't have it I don't quite see the sense in it when at the same time thousands of people die everyday."

    People in developing countries WANT access to Information Communications Technologies (ICT). They want Internet access. Farmers want to be able to track weather patterns and find local organic materials that can help them fight pests and look at what their crops are selling for in big cities so that they can better negotiate with the middlemen. Women want access to healthcare information and career information and ways to preserve the traditions of their culture. Children want access to education and career information and tools that will help them in their lives. The argument, "They need food, not...." was used against education programs in poor communities for a long time, and it took a long time to show that education had an impact on extreme poverty (and it does -- a very positive one).

    There is lots and lots of information about ICT volunteering programs abroad, the tools that these volunteers find useful, and why ICT volunteers are so important in addressing problems in developing communities at:
    www.unites.org.

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  126. knowbility.org by jcravens42 · · Score: 1

    Knowbility.org is a nonprofit org in Austin, Texas focused on providing tech education, access and career development to people with disabilities. Email them -- they could probably answer your question. Knowbility.org also hosts a fantastic one day web site building contest with volunteer programmers that both provides web sites to nonprofits and teaches programmers about accessiblity issues. The most famous is the annual eventin Austin, but they have them in other cities as well (and would love to have them in even more).

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  127. Brasil? (or elsewhere in latin america) by Davian · · Score: 1

    MKAlus,

    In Brazil there is an organization in Rio de Janeiro that hires volunteers to set up computers (donated by companies, etc.) in poor areas and teach children computer skills. It has been quite successful and may be what you are looking for. I can't remember their contact details but post a question regarding this to soc.culture.brazil (or one of the volunteer or computer-oriented newsgroups on the server news.uol.com.br) and I'm sure that someone should be able to give you more info regarding this. Granted, I see your point about a *real* farm being more immediately useful to the needy than a *server* farm, but there is something to be said to about "give a man a fish and you feel him today, teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime" .. in other words, if your talent is in high tech you can pass on those skills to others, who can use it to increase their marketability on the job market.

    Or, if you speak OK Spanish or Portuguese, you can go most anywhere in Latin America and offer to give English/Computer lessons ..

    good luck

    Davian

  128. Volunteer work in rumanian children shelter by strubi · · Score: 1

    I'm planning to participate in a project of a humanitarian organisation which tries to reintegrate street kids into society. This organization mainly operates in Rumania's main city Bukarest. My particular aim is, to acquire old computer hardware and volunteers with pedagogic as well as technical skills with these goals: - set up a computer room in the shelter - introduce children to the computer: simply show them how to play games, etc. - longer term: set up a 'training network': older kids get more responsibility and train youngers with regard to a real job. The project is in its early stage and currently developing slowly as I still am bound to a job. But I hope to get started some time in feb/march 2002 and carry this on for at least 3 months. Interested in this tough job? Mail me to onk@section5.de

  129. Actually, by definition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >> More often than not there is a definitive reason why people that live in third world countries are poor , and it's not due to a lack of technology or wealth(listing them here will thread way off topic)

    Err, by definition, if you are poor you don't have wealth, and if you are wealthy you aren't poor.

    And people with money don't have any trouble getting into schools and things.

  130. Volunteering by ivrcti · · Score: 1

    The answer may be right under your nose. If you live in/near a city > 50K population, take a drive all around town. When you get to the area marked with lots of "Tiendas", ask for the school. Tell them you're a geek and ask if they could use a hand. Just be warned, they will take you up on your offer. You'll most likely be setting up/maintaining a LAN and teaching a bit of English to kids who were moved here and just need a break. Based on my personal experience, you don't have to travel a thousand miles to make a difference.

  131. Re:Move to Redmond and start a multi-billion $ cor by Zachary+Kessin · · Score: 2

    Well I definitly don't value something only by the money in generates. But the Talmud does devides the levels of charity into a list and the Rambam ordered them from lowest to hightest, at the top of his list he puts those acts which enable another to become self reliant. For more info see this Page

    That being said not everyone is cut out to start or run a business. And in a business even if you do everything right it is still posible to fail.

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  132. NetAid by cascadefx · · Score: 2

    If you can't leave home, but still want to lend a hand in solving the world's problems, the United Nations Volunteer program sponsors the NetAid.org site. It maintains a database of jobs that can be done from your own home or acrosss the Internet, including things like DBAing for a hospital in Kenya, online fundraising for various causes, speech writing for the heads of a non-profits, copy-editing, online technical support, what have you. You can search on criteria based on your skill and interest set, nations that you would like to help, project times, and amount of time that you can commit each week. Check it out and make a difference.

  133. light up the world by reverse+flow+reactor · · Score: 1

    While most countries are not in need of a new Beowulf cluster, you can put your skills to good use. One of the biggest problems I have heard of in Nepal is education. There are signs in villages inviting travellers to stay a while and teach the people there, because they have no teachers in the village. But there is another problem. The people work all day, so the only time the have to learn to read is at night. But they need light in order to read.

    There is a fantastic project call Light up the World run by a University of Calgary Electrical Engineering prof who is working on ways of cheaply getting lights and cheaply generated (usually by sweat and elbow grease) electricity to these villages, so that they can read at night. Check it out.

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    The significant problems we face cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them. -Einstein

  134. Did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I volunteered with Habitat For Humanity regularly in 1999 as a reconstruction volunteer. At that time there were no IT openings locally. The office ran Windows 3.1 without a network to cut costs. Most of the full-timers were kind but not too bright. About half the volunteers were great folks like you'd expect. The other half weren't very nice: they acted like they'd rather be somewhere else but *had* to volunteer for some reason (community service?) Maybe 1/4th of the aid recipients were fantastic people; you just wanted to do all you could for them, they made you glad to be alive. The rest were jerks and freeloaders abusing the system to get something for nothing. The biggest problem we faced was local hoodlums stealing our power tools and equipment. At the end of the day we would board up the houses by screwgunning plyboard right into the frame using about 20 or 30 screws. We'd come back the next day and find the board removed and half the equipment gone. I strongly suspect some of the aid recipients themselves. Weekly losses totalled hundreds of dollars but nobody ever did anything about it. They would've greatly benefitted if they only had the direction of a good critical thinker to steer them clear of a few pitfalls.

  135. Mormon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Join the Mormon church. They'll be glad to send you off to a far off place to do good work.

  136. little that I know by zoftie · · Score: 1

    From my understanding of the world, our governments do not want other nations become powerful, riding our information technology wave.
    When we heal and feed the poor all we do is rememdy results of the core cause. If we address the causes, then on some stretch of time we will be stopping to fight the effects.
    So yes there is a need for such programs of bringing in neworks and communications into those countries. Once there is networks, there will be communication and learning and therefor prosperity and freedom, until then its like fighting fires when not even trying to catch arsenist that causes them. Futile at best.
    p.

  137. IT and Software Development with Wycliffe by bryguy5 · · Score: 1
    I am sure there are plenty of options depending on your specific computer skills and values - (i.e. what type of charity work you would enjoy being a part of).

    If you are a Christian, you might want to look at Wycliffe Bible Translators.

    I spent a summer in Papua New Guinea doing volunteer computer work with Wycliffe Bible Translators. They need network admin, office support stuff to help them with logistics. They also develop software to aid in translation.

    I met a guy who left Silicon Valley and now spends a lot of his time in a small village in PNG with a Solar powered laptop working on an XML based software development project. Nice in quiet -- No roads, electricity, plumbing, etc. To distract you.

    While his wife helped out the local schools, John worked building software to assist in making translations between related languages. The project was fairly cutting edge both from a technology and linguistic perspective. (yes much better than bablefish).

    While their main goal is Bible translation, the educational work and small things like giving tribal groups an alphabet and written language, Do a ton to build the infrastructure of third world countries.

    The Organization is also 100% volunteer, even up to the Director -- so know one is using it to make a buck!!
    See http://www.wycliffe.org/volunteer/needs.htm#opp7 for their current volenteer requests

  138. Simputer group needs your help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have some ideas about how computers or PDAs will help the NGOs or people in farms or any work in developing countries, here is a forum to share those ideas and ways to implement them.

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/simputer
    and
    http://www.simputer.org

  139. Association for Progressive Computing by mateo.flores · · Score: 1
    I don't think anyone has yet mentioned the Association for Progressive Computing (http://www.apc.org), which might be exactly what you're looking for. They have member chapters in countries all over the world, working in many different languages and on many different kinds of projects, all providing technical and logistic support for NGO's. Some projects you can even help with remotely. Write software to support small shortwave radio stations in Latin America, or train people in Linux system administration, or just repair donated equipment so something *like* Casa Alianza can keep their offices running and do things like accept donations and communicate with the outside world.


    I worked with the Mexican chapter, LaNeta (http://laneta.apc.org) and they are doing some great work and I can highly recommend the experience.


    Good luck and keep looking! The kind of help you can provide is much needed, you just have to find the right place.

  140. More food is NOT the solution! by TheMeld · · Score: 1

    I know this sounds cruel, but it is how nature works.

    If people are starving, the solution probably is NOT to import food. That is a temporary, unstable problem, and it will only make things worse in the long run (more food => more people => bigger famine when the imports stop).

    Trying to introduce agriculture also probably isn't such a great idea. Most of the areas that suffer from mass famine right now are not capable of supporting agriculture on a level that would aleviate famine.

    The solution, cruel as it sounds, is for there to be fewer people.

    People dying of hunger is the NATURAL result of there being more people than food. We don't mourn the natural cycles in population of other creatures on this planet due to cycles in population of their food (this is a classic first semester differential equations thing). We should not overly mourn our own population cycles.

    To paraphrase Ghandi, If the entire population of India was brought up to the base poverty level of England, it would strip the planet bare in a few years.

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  141. Paul's Computer Institute by hazem · · Score: 1

    In a recent Rotary presentation, Paul's Computer Institute was discussed by its founder, Paul Mickelson. After a tour in the Peace Corps in Camaroon, Paul cashed out his retirement and established an institute to teach IT to people in Camaroon. He takes donated equipment from the US to Camaroon, teaches the students how to repair it, install software, etc, then helps place them in jobs in industry and government (in Camaroon). I can't find a link to his institute, but I do have this link to a write-up about his project: http://www.rotary.org/newsandinfo/presscenter/rele ases/92.html