There are people dying of treatable causes in the US because they can't afford health insurance.
Long live Canada, Scandinavia, most of Europe and everywhere else where people are treated as humans and for their problems, and not only as a sack of money. --
The Speedy Viking
http://zez.org/
So CNN is KGB propaganda? 60 minutes are produced by KGB planted spies? These are the sources we have about USA. Not to say the least about news websites in the US...
Most societies do have problems, but few are as good as overlooking them as the US American.
-- The Speedy Viking
Re:Digging their own grave.
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Good points
I just have one question, with the different Linux distributions getting thousands of different packages, how can we say that it is easy to install Linux?
First after 6.4 did SuSE install all the components needed to run KDevelop automatically.
Only when users can say, my name is Paul, I want to run office programs, my games and some multimedia, and the damn installer installs just those packages needed, then it would be good. -- The Speedy Viking
I say, sometimes you have to point to something and say, this is what I don't like, or you are my enemy. We can't sit back and rub each other's backs saying it is all right.
Stir up some action, make people think. I know my post was drenched in a couple of bits of humour and some name callign, and little facts.
I admit it, I'm poor at carrying and argument (at discussion).
Get upset, do anything, but don't think that any system is better than another, don't think that because my taxmoney finances a lot of clueless people here in Norway I'm entiteled to everything here.
Personally I'm of the belief that most of the modern western countries just turn a blind eye to what really matters. The one basic right of all people:
The right to live.So who cares about mine or thine when we still can see children die of war, famine and pestulence?
Unbelievable, I remember the 'apple war' where Norwegian applegrowers got hell because of subsidies.
In Norway we tax petrol. We tax it on principle, we have petrol tax, which generally is for upkeep of our transportation system, and supposedly for subsidising public transport, we have pollution taxes, we have sales tax thrown on top of all that.
Well, well, at least we can be proud of living in one of the costliest nations in the world, and laugh about it, because we're ridiculously overpaid and lazy. We're mostly clicking our tongue, smiling lamely of it and re-electing the same swines.
Do you get velcro for free in the US? How about ceramics?
No? But, but, but, but, but, NASA was funded by your precious tax dollars (which is way fewer than in most European countries, if I'm not mistaken), do I dare think that someone is earning money of them...wow.
You fucking idiots (to use perfectly nice language, I could get rude, if I was wont to do so), you even pay ridiculously little for the petrol (gasoline, juice, whatever), here in Europe you'll pay close to a dollar pr. litre all around. (In fucking Norway, where I live, and we're the second largest fucking oil-fuck-producing country, we pay about a Britsih pound pr. litre).
Go fuck yourself, you sanctimonius, hypocritical, back town, southern hick-cut, lawyer lowing, asslicking, gun toting, idiot with a hyena as your proudest ancestor.
I think we all should hurry the prosess along. Let us support every attempt at squelching free speach, all around. Let us give all the power to the corporations. Let only the amoral companies with only shareholders profits as their grail run the show.
Then sit back and enjoy the ensuing show as more than a handful of people realize what we have done! -- The Speedy Viking
The law is not equal to every citizen or legal entity in the US of A, instead money rules. Seldom has someone been so close to openly admitting it.
God save America, because no one there seems to try.
For me, a normal guy, I can't see the difference between napster and ftp. Ftp serves files, napster a certain type of files, and in addition building upon this with another popular protocol IRC.
It's not, as some has suggested, a ruse for me to steal music that I defend this, I might or I mightn't be doing that. It is, however, a fundamental wrong when lawyers go almost the mile and say that the law doesn't apply equally to all, but is only intended for a select few.
Then it has moved from the realm of me the little thief and to the realm of the big thiefs finally showing who they are (mobsters).
Well, doh, in a criminal case I guess. But what about civil cases? And what can (if this is so, I can't remember...) a publically appointed lawyer do against a team of Megacorp-lawyers?
I think this is part of what the original poster meant, if you're rich you can always hire the best lawyers who will scrutinize every detail of every investigating officer, and every procedure and every evidence collection.
If they find one error, be it just a wrong entry of a date, then the whole thing can blow up in the procecutions face.
An ordinary citizen can not muster these resources, and will thus not receive the 'fair' trial of the rich.
Personally I think the laws in the US with regards to what can destroy a complete trial and not is a bit over the top, as usual with the Americans. You only know two settings off or on...
When it comes to civil suits it seems that your system is so fucked up (and what does that say in people 'believing' in the system?) that it is beneath me to even muster any other feelings than amazement.
There's a good reason to keep clear of the Litagious States of America.
First, I'm posting up here so that you would see it.
Secondly, I'm probably end up being long winded, but I think I have something to tell you, which will be of value to you.
The consumer enters an agreement with a retailer/producer, in the intent of keeping their part of the bargain. When it later is shown that the provider has somehow entered that agreement with no intention of giving the consumer the value she expects, the consumer will react.
It's animal instinct.
The question which increasingly is asked is "where is the consumer power?" It is of course in our hands, but to show how that work, we have to use the British Church Lady Option.
Tesco, if I'm not mistaken, is selling lots of environmental friendly goods, and stuff not made by children.
One reason for that is that local parishoners started collecting their reciepts from local super-markets, and totalling them for each month. Then they went to the local store and said, hey, we're using about UKP 10.000,- at your store every month, we wan't certain standards, or we'll go elsewhere.
Consumer power is in our hands, but to use it effectively we have to organize. We have to collect our receipts of DVD, cinema and video rentals for a month or two, then we'll total our amounts and say to the industry: "This is us, slashdotters, we're using around USD 100.000,- each month on movies. Now you follow our lead, or we will stop visiting movies, and rally many more for our cause."
Utopia, perhaps, but look at Great Britain, learn from the parishes there, they started locally, and now stores in Britain is acting.
Take a look at what kind of laws the EU is constructing, remember that there has been, and is, widespread corruption in Bruxselles...a group with power, say MPAA, could easily bribe the whole group to make some small changes.
The government don't have anything to do with the policing authorities nor with the judicial system. Yes the governing body makes the laws for us, but it is up to the police and procecution to decide whom they will take any action against, and it is the judicial system who decides if something is against the law. Just as it is supposed to be in any other western democracy. [Enter conspiracy theories]
You know, if you read the article you would glean more info, but first, let me say that "don't you just love that enlightened goverment in the US of A who give lip service to free trade, but are unwilling to let their people make decisions for themselves" is just as true a statement. Then, back to the article. It mentions that the US military through Echelon spies on European commercial interests, and that info is used in American industries. No wonder that the US gets pissed when some European countries don't like the Wassenar treaty. (Ie. limiting encryption.) If the Wassenar treaty isn't implemented, then it is harder for US companies and military to spy on it's allies. Which is the hart of the matter.
Re:Lets call this what it is:More graft for dictat
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Does the Third World want alms?
In the beginning, when aid was first suggested all the African leaders said no, we don't want alms, we want equal rights.
Rights to What?
Rights to sell their goods in any country without barriers. Rights to own their own resources and letting those who pay the most exploit them. Rights to the same information as any others.
Today we see the results of alms, people lining their own pockets, totally inadequate systems of distribution. The alms have prolonged the misery of the nations receiving it. They have even indebted them! Because not all 'help' is free, because much 'help' require deals which benefits the economy of the giver (i.e. buy this stuff from this company), because 'help' needs 'advisors' which come from the givers country.
It is in fact a system which is much akin to a company town (like those in the US of A). You get your money in company dollars which has to be spent in company stores. You can get tools to do the job, but they are paid via debts to the company, and you have to buy support from the company.
The worst ones are the local ones?
After all that is said and done, it is infact the dictators who where the worst. They imprisoned their people and spent their money, BUT with the blessing of the US, and the USSR. The Phillipines has been a loyal US supporter. Singapore could invade East Timor without protests from the US, because the US needed a deep strait for their subs. Different communist dictators have of course had their support from Moscow.
You have to step back, gang, take a look at the whole picture. See what makes the world economy tick, see what makes the world politic tick, and see why it's so damned wrong.
If you think Bill G have donated anything to the UN, think again. Ted Turner donated one billion US dollars to the UN.
Bill G donated a lot of money to a fund which his father is the trustee of.
Go figure.
And I'm not sure that TT did give one billon in one big heap, or 100 million each year in ten years, or some other scheme. But more billionaires should follow TTs lead, show the world what their made of, stone or flesh.
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Long live Canada, Scandinavia, most of Europe and everywhere else where people are treated as humans and for their problems, and not only as a sack of money.
--
The Speedy Viking
http://zez.org/
Most societies do have problems, but few are as good as overlooking them as the US American.
--
The Speedy Viking
I just have one question, with the different Linux distributions getting thousands of different packages, how can we say that it is easy to install Linux?
First after 6.4 did SuSE install all the components needed to run KDevelop automatically.
Only when users can say, my name is Paul, I want to run office programs, my games and some multimedia, and the damn installer installs just those packages needed, then it would be good.
--
The Speedy Viking
Living in the middle of the heartlands and have no high-speed connection.
I'm clinging on to my current appartement and cable provider, as it is one of the very few in Norway who actually delivers cable modem services.
At around USD50 a month, I might add (for 512 kbps bi-derectional, 2 Mbps bi-dir costs USD170,-, which isn't to bad, all things concidered).
Reading your story made my day better, I'm sorry it's on your expense.
--
The Speedy Viking
Your conclusion is right, though I don't think it cowardice, just too much money and too litle initative.
I say, learn from the French peasants. Burn some cars in the street, torch a few gas-stations as a protest.
I'm too comfy, and I don't drive a car, I use bus, trams or trains for my transporation needs.
--
The Speedy Viking
I say, sometimes you have to point to something and say, this is what I don't like, or you are my enemy. We can't sit back and rub each other's backs saying it is all right.
Stir up some action, make people think. I know my post was drenched in a couple of bits of humour and some name callign, and little facts.
I admit it, I'm poor at carrying and argument (at discussion).
Get upset, do anything, but don't think that any system is better than another, don't think that because my taxmoney finances a lot of clueless people here in Norway I'm entiteled to everything here.
Personally I'm of the belief that most of the modern western countries just turn a blind eye to what really matters. The one basic right of all people:
The right to live.So who cares about mine or thine when we still can see children die of war, famine and pestulence?
--
The Speedy Viking
Unbelievable, I remember the 'apple war' where Norwegian applegrowers got hell because of subsidies.
In Norway we tax petrol. We tax it on principle, we have petrol tax, which generally is for upkeep of our transportation system, and supposedly for subsidising public transport, we have pollution taxes, we have sales tax thrown on top of all that.
Well, well, at least we can be proud of living in one of the costliest nations in the world, and laugh about it, because we're ridiculously overpaid and lazy. We're mostly clicking our tongue, smiling lamely of it and re-electing the same swines.
Cheerio.
--
The Speedy Viking
No? But, but, but, but, but, NASA was funded by your precious tax dollars (which is way fewer than in most European countries, if I'm not mistaken), do I dare think that someone is earning money of them...wow.
You fucking idiots (to use perfectly nice language, I could get rude, if I was wont to do so), you even pay ridiculously little for the petrol (gasoline, juice, whatever), here in Europe you'll pay close to a dollar pr. litre all around. (In fucking Norway, where I live, and we're the second largest fucking oil-fuck-producing country, we pay about a Britsih pound pr. litre).
Go fuck yourself, you sanctimonius, hypocritical, back town, southern hick-cut, lawyer lowing, asslicking, gun toting, idiot with a hyena as your proudest ancestor.
And now I'm being nice about it.
--
The Speedy Viking
To quote Jerry Pournelle: Don't attribute malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
Very true, in all things.
--
The Speedy Viking
Then sit back and enjoy the ensuing show as more than a handful of people realize what we have done!
--
The Speedy Viking
The law is not equal to every citizen or legal entity in the US of A, instead money rules. Seldom has someone been so close to openly admitting it.
God save America, because no one there seems to try.
For me, a normal guy, I can't see the difference between napster and ftp. Ftp serves files, napster a certain type of files, and in addition building upon this with another popular protocol IRC.
It's not, as some has suggested, a ruse for me to steal music that I defend this, I might or I mightn't be doing that. It is, however, a fundamental wrong when lawyers go almost the mile and say that the law doesn't apply equally to all, but is only intended for a select few.
Then it has moved from the realm of me the little thief and to the realm of the big thiefs finally showing who they are (mobsters).
Well, doh, in a criminal case I guess. But what about civil cases? And what can (if this is so, I can't remember...) a publically appointed lawyer do against a team of Megacorp-lawyers?
I think this is part of what the original poster meant, if you're rich you can always hire the best lawyers who will scrutinize every detail of every investigating officer, and every procedure and every evidence collection.
If they find one error, be it just a wrong entry of a date, then the whole thing can blow up in the procecutions face.
An ordinary citizen can not muster these resources, and will thus not receive the 'fair' trial of the rich.
Personally I think the laws in the US with regards to what can destroy a complete trial and not is a bit over the top, as usual with the Americans. You only know two settings off or on...
When it comes to civil suits it seems that your system is so fucked up (and what does that say in people 'believing' in the system?) that it is beneath me to even muster any other feelings than amazement.
There's a good reason to keep clear of the Litagious States of America.
Secondly, I'm probably end up being long winded, but I think I have something to tell you, which will be of value to you.
The consumer enters an agreement with a retailer/producer, in the intent of keeping their part of the bargain. When it later is shown that the provider has somehow entered that agreement with no intention of giving the consumer the value she expects, the consumer will react.
It's animal instinct.
The question which increasingly is asked is "where is the consumer power?" It is of course in our hands, but to show how that work, we have to use the British Church Lady Option.
Tesco, if I'm not mistaken, is selling lots of environmental friendly goods, and stuff not made by children.
One reason for that is that local parishoners started collecting their reciepts from local super-markets, and totalling them for each month. Then they went to the local store and said, hey, we're using about UKP 10.000,- at your store every month, we wan't certain standards, or we'll go elsewhere.
Consumer power is in our hands, but to use it effectively we have to organize. We have to collect our receipts of DVD, cinema and video rentals for a month or two, then we'll total our amounts and say to the industry: "This is us, slashdotters, we're using around USD 100.000,- each month on movies. Now you follow our lead, or we will stop visiting movies, and rally many more for our cause."
Utopia, perhaps, but look at Great Britain, learn from the parishes there, they started locally, and now stores in Britain is acting.
Sincerely, Paul@conifer-developments.com
Take a look at what kind of laws the EU is constructing, remember that there has been, and is, widespread corruption in Bruxselles...a group with power, say MPAA, could easily bribe the whole group to make some small changes.
They seem to be a simplification of the @ sign which have been popular in some circles, but less obstrusive, and way cooler.
Though one can easily be dragged into the symbols, like water running out of a bathtub.
In naivistic art one often sees the sun as a spiral, quickly drawn.
Just my first thoughts on that matter.
If that is their point, hooray!, take a look at this translation of the original Norwegian law text: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/norlaw.php
As you can see, the points about reverse engineering for functional operation with other programs are something which no agreement can circumvent.
Case closed.
Nothing in the courts yet.
If he don't have the money, then he can probably get a good laweyer court appointed and paid by the courts.
Wait until he asks for help. Save the money for someone who really needs it.
BTW, Jon Bing, _the_ Norwegian expert in this field says that the case against Jon Johansen is rather good.
I think it depends on which viewpoint one presents, we've had a heated debate about this at work today, and it's about 50/50.
MPAA hires Norwegian lawyer
Lawyer takes a look at Norwegian law and twist and turn this to his liking
Lawyer goes to Økokrim (Economic crime unit) and files a something I don't remember the English word for.
Knock on the door...
The government don't have anything to do with the policing authorities nor with the judicial system. Yes the governing body makes the laws for us, but it is up to the police and procecution to decide whom they will take any action against, and it is the judicial system who decides if something is against the law. Just as it is supposed to be in any other western democracy. [Enter conspiracy theories]
My thoughts exactly.
Moderate the parent poster up, way up.
You know, if you read the article you would glean more info, but first, let me say that "don't you just love that enlightened goverment in the US of A who give lip service to free trade, but are unwilling to let their people make decisions for themselves" is just as true a statement. Then, back to the article. It mentions that the US military through Echelon spies on European commercial interests, and that info is used in American industries. No wonder that the US gets pissed when some European countries don't like the Wassenar treaty. (Ie. limiting encryption.) If the Wassenar treaty isn't implemented, then it is harder for US companies and military to spy on it's allies. Which is the hart of the matter.
Does the Third World want alms?
In the beginning, when aid was first suggested all the African leaders said no, we don't want alms, we want equal rights.
Rights to What?
Rights to sell their goods in any country without barriers. Rights to own their own resources and letting those who pay the most exploit them. Rights to the same information as any others.
Today we see the results of alms, people lining their own pockets, totally inadequate systems of distribution. The alms have prolonged the misery of the nations receiving it. They have even indebted them! Because not all 'help' is free, because much 'help' require deals which benefits the economy of the giver (i.e. buy this stuff from this company), because 'help' needs 'advisors' which come from the givers country.
It is in fact a system which is much akin to a company town (like those in the US of A). You get your money in company dollars which has to be spent in company stores. You can get tools to do the job, but they are paid via debts to the company, and you have to buy support from the company.
The worst ones are the local ones?
After all that is said and done, it is infact the dictators who where the worst. They imprisoned their people and spent their money, BUT with the blessing of the US, and the USSR. The Phillipines has been a loyal US supporter. Singapore could invade East Timor without protests from the US, because the US needed a deep strait for their subs. Different communist dictators have of course had their support from Moscow.
You have to step back, gang, take a look at the whole picture. See what makes the world economy tick, see what makes the world politic tick, and see why it's so damned wrong.
If you think Bill G have donated anything to the UN, think again. Ted Turner donated one billion US dollars to the UN.
Bill G donated a lot of money to a fund which his father is the trustee of.
Go figure.
And I'm not sure that TT did give one billon in one big heap, or 100 million each year in ten years, or some other scheme. But more billionaires should follow TTs lead, show the world what their made of, stone or flesh.