Depends on your perspective. From the point of view of someone who is not the original author (or the copyright holder, if they are not the same) then BSD is more free. You can do what you want with the code. But for the author/copyright holder, GPL has an advantage that noone can take your code and improve it without the changes being available to you.
If I were releasing code under a free licence, I would choose the GPL. If I were using someone elses code to incorporate into a commercial product, I'd prefer it be under the BSDL.
I'm having a similar problem right now with Wells Fargo online banking (I'm actually a Norwest customer). What's really irritating is that they used to let me view my account history in Netscape for Linux, and now they don't. It's not that complicated - 40 bit encryption and a big old table with 4 columns (date, description, amount and running balance) - I fail to see why they are validating the browser at all.
So it has a tray, and apparently can carry more than one beer. But it has no arms that I can see, so loading & unloading of the beer will have to be done by humans.
When I get a robot it will be one that can accept the voice command "IPA", go to the beer cupboard, read the badly-printed homebrew label and bring me what I asked for. Preferably it will be able to open the bottle, too.
You could wait forever to get the latest version of everything. Development cycles being what they are, one distro is going to be the first to ship a 2.4 kernel, one is going to be the first to ship XFree86 4.0, and so on. What would be nice is if the installers & configuration tools the distros are developing could stabilize enough that when a major new version of some part of the system (kernel, X, browser, etc.) comes out it only requires a minor change to the distro. That way those of us who don't like tweaking with things we don't understand can have all the new stuff in our favourite packaging faster.
Anyone else see the link to Slashdot: The Broadband Wars on the sidebar that called/. an "informative forum"? They must have their threshold really high.
Neither the GPL or Open Source have been proven in court - ANYWHERE. The current widespread abuse of the GPL and Open Source is already part of Common Law which (as we all know) is hard to overturn in most courts worldwide.
but you diminish it with the rest of your post.
Firstly, if, as you say,
Open Source is a marketing term for Free Software
then Open Source is not young at all.
Secondly, it may appear in the title of the article as "Open Source", but in the text it is "open source", and without the capitals this is what this story is about - the openness of source code, not the OSS movement.
I realize this comment will be orphaned as soon as the above post gets moderated down as flamebait, and I shouldn't be responding to flamebait in the first place. But the alternative is actual work in MS Hell, so what the heck.
If Open Source was so widely adored, we would not have to suffer a constant flow of propoganda being shoved in our faces on an almost deadly basis.
If you suffer from reading/. to the point of finding it deadly you really ought to stop. It's not that interesting.
This is merely another student trying to look 'cool' amongst his/her peers.
As far as I can tell, Roblimo is an old geezer. Hardly a student.
I used to work for his daughter. Every once in a while he would come up with some crackpot theory that we could use as an analogy to explain why her latest idea wouldn't work.
My favourite was the "wrinkled apple" theory of mountain range formation, that assumed that the Earth was cooling, and therefore shrinking, causing the crust to buckle without any of those messy plate tectonics.
Just like Gold, and Fred Hoyle, Bondi worked on the theory that if you throw enough ideas out there, some of them will stick.
They have tried. It's called Embedded NT and it is really, really horrible.
Actually, I lied. They didn't try at all. They just bought it from VenturCom, who had broken NT into bits to avoid loading all the irrelevant stuff that standard NT brings with it.
My experience is that it runs in exactly the same memory footprint at about half the speed. But it takes much less disk space.
I've been trying to push Linux at POS here for a while. The problem is we do a number of things in weird ways, and we definitely wanted to keep our screens a lot like the existing NT app. The linux POS systems I've seen tend not to be very customizable as far as UI goes. So we chose a very extensible system that's win32 only.
However, the big problem with Linux at POS is devices. Printers, 2x20 displays, flatbed scanners, handheld scanners, MSRs, pinpads, bizarre keyboards in odd ports. If you're pushing a free OS it doesn't make a lot of sense to have to buy all new hardware with everything USB (not that Linux supports that too well) to make it work.
It will take the big hardware vendors, IBM, NCR and Fujitsu/ICL to get behind Linux before Linux at POS becomes viable. Right now the number one OS shipped with POS hardware is still DOS. Win9x/NT/CE are distant 2nd-4th.
An actually well-researched bio piece. Emailing Mikke was a good touch (if a little intrusive).
I didn't like the comment about him not answering email. While he probably ignores a lot of fan mail and requests for interviews, everyone I know who has emailed him has had a prompt response.
Is that there isn't a purchase circle for where I live (Bloomington, MN). There are 45 Minnesota cities with purchase circles, some of them absolutely tiny, but I am apparently the only person in the state's 3rd largest city who ever buys stuff at Amazon.
Not only that, but neither my company nor our two largest competitors have purchase circles. What a bunch of illiterate morons we are.
If I understand it correctly (and I'm not sure that I do, due to the incredibly obfuscated language) he is claiming some expansion of the IPv4 address space by using multiple instances of the same IP address, differentiated by subnet mask.
I gave up after Chapter 3, as my head was starting to hurt.
His mathematics is extremely suspect, both in his calculations and in his apparent amazement that binary and decimal notations do not coincide. Competent mathematicians writing for a technical audience do not generally point this out three times a paragraph.
If someone finds a kernel of truth or reason in this article, please speak up. But don't go in there without your brain firmly strapped in.
I can see why you wouldn't want an Englishman like me voting for your president, or even governor. But it irks me when I can't vote for city council or school board. Why would my vote be different from someone who just moved in from Wisconsin, or who spends 5 months of the year in Florida (and registers their car there).
There was the Boston Tea Party. And not one decent cup of tea has been made in America since.
Any moron with a few bucks can open up a store and compete with WalMart (poorly, though). It takes some brains and knowhow(not much, I'll admit!) to compete with Amazon and buy.com.
Actually the reverse is true. You can buy books from wholesalers in quantities of 5 and get the same price that Amazon pays for them. UPS will charge your customers the same amount they charge Amazon's customers. It doesn't take much of an operation to compete with Amazon on price. WalMart gets such huge volume discounts from its suppliers, plus its economies of scale, that no single store is going to be able to break even charging WalMart prices.
Disclaimer: I work for Target. I do not speak for them.
Slashdot Mirror
Depends on your perspective. From the point of view of someone who is not the original author (or the copyright holder, if they are not the same) then BSD is more free. You can do what you want with the code. But for the author/copyright holder, GPL has an advantage that noone can take your code and improve it without the changes being available to you.
If I were releasing code under a free licence, I would choose the GPL. If I were using someone elses code to incorporate into a commercial product, I'd prefer it be under the BSDL.
Do we have to buy the book to find the URL?
I'm having a similar problem right now with Wells Fargo online banking (I'm actually a Norwest customer). What's really irritating is that they used to let me view my account history in Netscape for Linux, and now they don't. It's not that complicated - 40 bit encryption and a big old table with 4 columns (date, description, amount and running balance) - I fail to see why they are validating the browser at all.
I'm not a trekkie, but I have gone to the conventions
That makes you a Trekkie. Deal with it.
India Pale Ale.
Philistine.
So it has a tray, and apparently can carry more than one beer. But it has no arms that I can see, so loading & unloading of the beer will have to be done by humans.
When I get a robot it will be one that can accept the voice command "IPA", go to the beer cupboard, read the badly-printed homebrew label and bring me what I asked for. Preferably it will be able to open the bottle, too.
You could wait forever to get the latest version of everything. Development cycles being what they are, one distro is going to be the first to ship a 2.4 kernel, one is going to be the first to ship XFree86 4.0, and so on. What would be nice is if the installers & configuration tools the distros are developing could stabilize enough that when a major new version of some part of the system (kernel, X, browser, etc.) comes out it only requires a minor change to the distro. That way those of us who don't like tweaking with things we don't understand can have all the new stuff in our favourite packaging faster.
Rupert
There aren't as many good children as you think. Certainly none in my house.
Rupert (off to buy the white beard colouring anyway)
Anyone else see the link to Slashdot: The Broadband Wars on the sidebar that called /. an "informative forum"? They must have their threshold really high.
but you diminish it with the rest of your post.
then Open Source is not young at all.Firstly, if, as you say,
Secondly, it may appear in the title of the article as "Open Source", but in the text it is "open source", and without the capitals this is what this story is about - the openness of source code, not the OSS movement.
I realize this comment will be orphaned as soon as the above post gets moderated down as flamebait, and I shouldn't be responding to flamebait in the first place. But the alternative is actual work in MS Hell, so what the heck.
/. to the point of finding it deadly you really ought to stop. It's not that interesting.
If Open Source was so widely adored, we would not have to suffer a constant flow of propoganda being shoved in our faces on an almost deadly
basis.
If you suffer from reading
This is merely another student trying to look 'cool' amongst his/her peers.
As far as I can tell, Roblimo is an old geezer. Hardly a student.
Dont dignify this with further comment.
Spoilsport.
Please moderate this way up.
Or maybe not. We don't want to attract too much attention.
Anyway, apart from the front page it all appears to be there.
I used to work for his daughter. Every once in a while he would come up with some crackpot theory that we could use as an analogy to explain why her latest idea wouldn't work.
My favourite was the "wrinkled apple" theory of mountain range formation, that assumed that the Earth was cooling, and therefore shrinking, causing the crust to buckle without any of those messy plate tectonics.
Just like Gold, and Fred Hoyle, Bondi worked on the theory that if you throw enough ideas out there, some of them will stick.
They have tried. It's called Embedded NT and it is really, really horrible.
Actually, I lied. They didn't try at all. They just bought it from VenturCom, who had broken NT into bits to avoid loading all the irrelevant stuff that standard NT brings with it.
My experience is that it runs in exactly the same memory footprint at about half the speed. But it takes much less disk space.
Rupert
Hear, hear. Our users only know they're running NT because it says so at the top of the BSoD.
Rupert
I've been trying to push Linux at POS here for a while. The problem is we do a number of things in weird ways, and we definitely wanted to keep our screens a lot like the existing NT app. The linux POS systems I've seen tend not to be very customizable as far as UI goes. So we chose a very extensible system that's win32 only.
However, the big problem with Linux at POS is devices. Printers, 2x20 displays, flatbed scanners, handheld scanners, MSRs, pinpads, bizarre keyboards in odd ports. If you're pushing a free OS it doesn't make a lot of sense to have to buy all new hardware with everything USB (not that Linux supports that too well) to make it work.
It will take the big hardware vendors, IBM, NCR and Fujitsu/ICL to get behind Linux before Linux at POS becomes viable. Right now the number one OS shipped with POS hardware is still DOS. Win9x/NT/CE are distant 2nd-4th.
Rupert
Can we send half a dozen teenage idiots to your house and film you twenty four hours a day for a week, then show edited highlights on MTV?
Oops, wrong interview.
An actually well-researched bio piece. Emailing Mikke was a good touch (if a little intrusive).
I didn't like the comment about him not answering email. While he probably ignores a lot of fan mail and requests for interviews, everyone I know who has emailed him has had a prompt response.
Rupert
Is that there isn't a purchase circle for where I live (Bloomington, MN). There are 45 Minnesota cities with purchase circles, some of them absolutely tiny, but I am apparently the only person in the state's 3rd largest city who ever buys stuff at Amazon.
Not only that, but neither my company nor our two largest competitors have purchase circles. What a bunch of illiterate morons we are.
Rupert
If I understand it correctly (and I'm not sure that I do, due to the incredibly obfuscated language) he is claiming some expansion of the IPv4 address space by using multiple instances of the same IP address, differentiated by subnet mask.
I gave up after Chapter 3, as my head was starting to hurt.
His mathematics is extremely suspect, both in his calculations and in his apparent amazement that binary and decimal notations do not coincide. Competent mathematicians writing for a technical audience do not generally point this out three times a paragraph.
If someone finds a kernel of truth or reason in this article, please speak up. But don't go in there without your brain firmly strapped in.
Rupert
[offtopic]
I believe it was Terry Pratchett, of Cohen the Barbarian, in one of the early Discworld books (The Light Fantastic?).
Can I have my taxes back, please?
I can see why you wouldn't want an Englishman like me voting for your president, or even governor. But it irks me when I can't vote for city council or school board. Why would my vote be different from someone who just moved in from Wisconsin, or who spends 5 months of the year in Florida (and registers their car there).
There was the Boston Tea Party. And not one decent cup of tea has been made in America since.
Any moron with a few bucks can open up a store and compete with WalMart (poorly, though). It takes some brains and knowhow(not much, I'll admit!) to compete with Amazon and buy.com.
Actually the reverse is true. You can buy books from wholesalers in quantities of 5 and get the same price that Amazon pays for them. UPS will charge your customers the same amount they charge Amazon's customers. It doesn't take much of an operation to compete with Amazon on price. WalMart gets such huge volume discounts from its suppliers, plus its economies of scale, that no single store is going to be able to break even charging WalMart prices.
Disclaimer: I work for Target. I do not speak for them.
Or do all you NT admins just toss things onto your production servers without testing them?
You mean there's another way to test?
Compile, link, ship. That's the Microsoft way.
Or do all you NT admins just toss things onto your production servers without testing them?