Actually this is all just guess work. It is public knowledge that the US has flying TV and radio stations. It is also public knowledge that the US has flying cell sites. I mean think about it. Put two and to together and you have a way to put up internet and cell service in an area. It could be used to provide communications during a natural disaster or to broadcast information to a populace you want to provide information and news too. One man's news is another propaganda. Think of Voice of America and Radio Free Europe.
I mean this is really at the level of duhh... That it makes my head hurt.
Great post. I do find it amusing that people worry about the US government cutting off the Internet. If any kill switch is invoked it would tend to be a boarder kill switch. AKA cut the US from the rest of the world not the internal networks. Just as the US cut off telephone, telex, and telegraph access to Japan, Germany, and Italy during WWII. Even that would take a something horrific to trip.
Yes this fear is right up there with the nut cases that read the Turner Diaries and feel that it is important.
Wow I guess you really have no real grasp. Let me put this simply. reliable, faster turnaround, reusable == cheaper. Unless you build a stupidly gold plated system.
"Similar problems in transportation, especially passenger cars, and we are playing with batteries as an interim step towards other energy sources. Not directly applicable to space travel, but similar fundamental problems - changing the paradigm."
All of of the problems are bounded by chemistry, physics, and material science. You know that harsh thing called reality. Actually vertical take off for a space may not be a huge penalty. With a horizontal takeoff you must support the weight of the fuel on the landing gear which is a separate weight structure from the thrust bearing structure since one will be taking a horizontal load and one the vertical load. Since the thrust load will be large to start with to get into orbit Then add in the lifting surfaces that will be needed to left the weight of the massive fuel load which will then be nothing but dead weight when landing. Then the wing spar needed which will be another massive structure adding even more to the weight. Which will add more to the weight of the landing gear which will mean more fuel which will mean more load on the spar, more wing area, and..... It only makes sense if you vastly decrease the fuel fraction AKA a large increase in specific impulse over the what we now have. The problem there is Hydrogen has the best power to weight ratio. There are other trade off fuels where you can have a denser fuel so you save weight on the structure by adding some to the fuel like by going with CH4. That is why a SCRAM jet makes so much sense since you will not need to take as much oxidizer with you if any. But those do not work at zero airspeed so then you must have some way to get them up to speed. Then since you do not have to carry all that LOX the math gets better.
So yes it was all a bunch of Duhh.... Jibberish, bad history,,uninformed opinion, and fantasy. There are other trade offs like air launching like the Pegasus and Rutan is doing. There you are using an airplane as a reusable first stage. The problem there is that there are few large aircraft that suitable to air launch a large rocket. You could build a folding wing system and then use a druge to extract a larger booster from the back of say a C-5. But simple truth is that a lot of really smart people are working really hard on this problem. It is just insane that this rambling mess of a document got any attention at all. The only reason is the author because the content was just terrible.
"If I could wave a wand and throw money at it, I would like to see something like a real plane, but spaceworthy" yea but until we get magic or a major breakthrough in materials and propulsion that is what we have. The X-33 showed promise but problems with the composite propellant tank killed it. "BTW they had done on an AL tank that would even lighter but they killed it anyway." So as I said a bunch of bad history, miss informed opinion and rambling. So no I was not wrong and he is right only in the simple statement that it would be really cool to have cheap access to space and big dumb boosters will not provide that. Which is nothing but a big duh... That was the idea behind the Shuttle in the late 60s early 70s. Thing is that they built the Shuttle but didn't build the space tug, space station "until the ISS", and many of the other projects that the shuttle was supposed to support. That and they changed the design to make the development cheaper but the per flight higher.
No not at all. If the engineer signs the work he is then responsible for that work. It is up to him to check the validity of the work. It was never certified as an engineering document so no harm of foul. It is just a very well studied citizen objection. It is now up to the DOD to look at it and decide if there is anything to it. Or they can choose to ignore it and if someone gets killed and a new study shows that they where wrong be in deep trouble.
He is right about what? We have to find something better than rockets? First the Delta4 has nothing in common with the Thor/Delta of old except the name. The same is true of the Atlas V/ Also the Atlas and Thor where in service at the same time. Thor's in Europe and the Atlas here in the US.
If you really read the what he wrote it simple said that satellites are the way they are because launchers are the way they are and then adds in a good mix of bad details and fantasy. Well duh.... The rest of it was just rambling. Or if you are a big fan of science fiction what we really need are some General Products hulls with hyper drive and Outsider gravity drives like the Puppeteers are using to move their home world. Too bad we don't have the CAD files for those.
This is the best part. "He said there is a potential for violation if DOT and the public were misled by "engineering-quality work"- even if the authors did not claim to be engineers."
I am sorry sir but you are too knowledgeable to be allowed to function without proper supervision. I think I saw this on a Twilight Zone once....
I saw that demonstration once. People still argued that it didn't prove that astrology wasn't true that it just proved that James Randi was good at fooling people. Sad thing is that for one brief moment they had used logic and drawn a valid conclusion. What they didn't understand was that Randi wasn't trying to prove a negative. He was showing them how easy it was for humans to be tricked into believing astrology was true. It is just a shame.
Hey I always like to have a map and one thing I do like about Google Maps on my cell is I can use it as a map. While it is really terrible for a small child to die I hope people read the full story. Almost 300,000 people a year go to Death Valley. Just how few die by GPS? And they didn't die by GPS they died by the same mistakes that have killed people for a long time. 1. They went to DEATH VALLEY IN THE SUMMER! They call it death valley for a reason. 2. They didn't bring water. 3. They didn't have a route and tell people the route. 4. They didn't have a contact person. 5. They had bad maps.
I used to go off road riding on my bike when I was single. I had several long routes that I took, What I did since I was single make a map of all my rides. When I would go off on one I would call my friend and let them know what trail I was on. When I got back I would call them and let them know. I also took about two gallons of water with me and this is in Florida and not death valley.
Here in the US we still have a lot of really wild land. It is wonderful but it can kill you if you do not respect it.
Really that was just really bad. Satellites have never been "limited" to the size and weight of Hydrogen bombs. Frankly it was just some kind of odd ramble that had no real facts at all. The History was also just dumbed down to about the level of a fourth grade book report.
So Microsoft is getting data from it's browser which has the majority of market because it is installed on Microsoft's OS which as an over whelming majority of the market to complete with a company in an unrelated market? Yes that will not be any problem at all....
Some people will not want that solution and others will shout about Intel trying to cheap out. With this many products it is just simpler to deal with one solution for everyone. Hey if you don't want to send it in I doubt that they will send the motherboard police to your home and make you.
"BARACK OBAMA for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples." By getting elected? He was the jr. senator from Illinois and the President elect. exactly what did he do deserve that award?
I know it is an old saw but face it that was just a political statement by the Nobel Committee that they really hated Bush.
From the wikipedia. " First successful rendezvous Gemini 7 photographed from Gemini 6 in 1965 Rendezvous was first successfully accomplished by US astronaut Wally Schirra on December 15, 1965, who maneuvered the Gemini 6A spacecraft within 1 foot (30 cm) of its sister craft Gemini 7. The spacecraft were not equipped to dock with each other, but maintained station-keeping for more than 20 minutes. Schirra later commented: "Somebody said... when you come to within three miles (5 km), you've rendezvoused. If anybody thinks they've pulled a rendezvous off at three miles (5 km), have fun! This is when we started doing our work. I don't think rendezvous is over until you are stopped - completely stopped - with no relative motion between the two vehicles, at a range of approximately 120 feet (37 m). That's rendezvous! From there on, it's stationkeeping. That's when you can go back and play the game of driving a car or driving an airplane or pushing a skateboard — it's about that simple."[2] " First satellite yes, first man yes, first woman yes, space rendezvous? I would say not so much. And the first automated sample return from the moon was well after first sample return from the moon and the first manned landing. The Venus probes also a yes. They did a lot but don't give them false credit. I wouldn't give the US criedit for the first man in space based on the X-2, X-15 or a balloon flight.
True but the fact that you said it is a fact. Think of it with facebook out of the picture. Q. Mr. Kaptink did say that you where going to buy a gun and shook Mr. Jones in the head? A. Yes but I was just kidding. Of course when they find Mr. Jones with a bullet hole in his head that looks very damming.
Same thing if you are are on probation for DUI and they find a picture of you in a car with a beer in your hand on face book dated the day before your hearing. Yea it could be a fake but.... Really people guess what. Stupid hurts. Act stupid in public and there is a good chance it will bite you in the rear. BTW a party is still in public. Is it so hard for people to understand this? Facebook is not now and never was "private" don't publish private information on it... You do know that publish means to make public right?
If a Journalist at that time ever got close to a computer hooked up to the internet. Those journalists probably graduated in the 70s or early 80s. Internet and even computers access for liberal arts majors wasn't common.
linpack is floating point heavy but still if it can match a P2 then that is pretty impressive for a wall wort. Truth is that they tend to be around a P4 in interger performance for the most part which again for what they are is fantastic. I think you are a little spoiled when you dismiss a wall wart with enough power to run Linux.
"I never saw an environmentalist with a shirt that said, "Down with molten salt reactors!!!" I'm sure given the choice and scientific evidence, most environmentalists would much more readily opt for that rather than the currently in use nuclear power paradigm." Really you never saw a no nukes protester? Please they where protesting space probes that used RTG for goodness sakes! They where not chanting NO Light Water Reactors! they where chanting NO NUKES! BTW light water reactors are safe as well and protested.
You are really dealing in revisionist history here. Yes the anti-nuclear forces ignored and mutated science as badly as the anti-global warming and frankly a lot of the pro-global warming forces are doing today. "Example of the pro global warming twisting science was when they said strong hurricane seasons proved and where caused by climate change." No it was just normal variability. It is the difference between weather and climate. BTW the other side got to do the same thing when we had a dead season the next year. Again weather vs climate. Nope the anti-nukes are as much a mindless bunch of followers as any anti-global warming group is.
Actually that is not true. Light water reactors are not good at producing plutonium. The US and other nations had specialized reactors just for weapons production. Also the reactors used in ships and subs while light water are very different from power plant reactors in design. So why? You will see that almost all research in reactors was stopped in the mid 70s right around TMI and that dumb movie. The rise of the Nuclear FUD and President Carter's administration killed most reactor research. Then you had the rise of cheap oil and the coal companies. Only now are we starting to look at nuclear in the nation. BTW the first Thorium salt reactor was built at Oak Ridge by the DOE in the 60s.
Actually it is bad because they did so little research. It is interesting because it was so early. This predates Netscape, Yahoo and the other internet startups.
TomTom just use Google free navigation. The games are a given but then I have three EA games on my phone. The food guides well you do have yelp, google places, and Urban Spoon.
For Podcasts I suggest you try and then by Beyond Pod. I have mine set to sync every night at 1 am and it does a good job. The one downside is that it's search for podcasts sucks. That isn't as bad it seems because it will sync with Google Reader so use Google Reader to find and select your Podcasts than have Beyond Pod sync with it. It really is less of a hassle than it seems. As to media you are correct. Audio is no problem but video is. Beyond Pod does handle video podcasts. I have an HTC phone and HTCs media player is actually not bad at all. That is the one place the Android phone falls down a bit but it isn't really an app problem IMHO it is a media problem. Apple controls and makes money off of media Google doesn't I can get MP3s from Amazon and it works just fine but I can not get video from Amazon yet. Why Google didn't set up a media store I just don't know but to me that was their error. Most of the apps I see are just fine and there is a lot of them. The games I do feel are lacking but hopefully that will change soon.
Maybe but the extra paper work makes it not worth it to Intel. That small percentage just are not worth the hassle and the bad press they would get by offering a "band aid" solution even if some people would want it.
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Actually this is all just guess work. It is public knowledge that the US has flying TV and radio stations. It is also public knowledge that the US has flying cell sites. I mean think about it. Put two and to together and you have a way to put up internet and cell service in an area.
It could be used to provide communications during a natural disaster or to broadcast information to a populace you want to provide information and news too. One man's news is another propaganda. Think of Voice of America and Radio Free Europe.
I mean this is really at the level of duhh... That it makes my head hurt.
Great post. I do find it amusing that people worry about the US government cutting off the Internet. If any kill switch is invoked it would tend to be a boarder kill switch. AKA cut the US from the rest of the world not the internal networks. Just as the US cut off telephone, telex, and telegraph access to Japan, Germany, and Italy during WWII. Even that would take a something horrific to trip.
Yes this fear is right up there with the nut cases that read the Turner Diaries and feel that it is important.
Wow I guess you really have no real grasp.
Let me put this simply. reliable, faster turnaround, reusable == cheaper.
Unless you build a stupidly gold plated system.
"Similar problems in transportation, especially passenger cars, and we are playing with batteries as an interim step towards other energy sources. Not directly applicable to space travel, but similar fundamental problems - changing the paradigm."
All of of the problems are bounded by chemistry, physics, and material science. You know that harsh thing called reality.
Actually vertical take off for a space may not be a huge penalty. With a horizontal takeoff you must support the weight of the fuel on the landing gear which is a separate weight structure from the thrust bearing structure since one will be taking a horizontal load and one the vertical load. Since the thrust load will be large to start with to get into orbit Then add in the lifting surfaces that will be needed to left the weight of the massive fuel load which will then be nothing but dead weight when landing. Then the wing spar needed which will be another massive structure adding even more to the weight. Which will add more to the weight of the landing gear which will mean more fuel which will mean more load on the spar, more wing area, and.....
It only makes sense if you vastly decrease the fuel fraction AKA a large increase in specific impulse over the what we now have. The problem there is Hydrogen has the best power to weight ratio. There are other trade off fuels where you can have a denser fuel so you save weight on the structure by adding some to the fuel like by going with CH4.
That is why a SCRAM jet makes so much sense since you will not need to take as much oxidizer with you if any. But those do not work at zero airspeed so then you must have some way to get them up to speed. Then since you do not have to carry all that LOX the math gets better.
So yes it was all a bunch of Duhh.... Jibberish, bad history, ,uninformed opinion, and fantasy.
There are other trade offs like air launching like the Pegasus and Rutan is doing. There you are using an airplane as a reusable first stage.
The problem there is that there are few large aircraft that suitable to air launch a large rocket. You could build a folding wing system and then use a druge to extract a larger booster from the back of say a C-5.
But simple truth is that a lot of really smart people are working really hard on this problem. It is just insane that this rambling mess of a document got any attention at all. The only reason is the author because the content was just terrible.
"If I could wave a wand and throw money at it, I would like to see something like a real plane, but spaceworthy"
yea but until we get magic or a major breakthrough in materials and propulsion that is what we have. The X-33 showed promise but problems with the composite propellant tank killed it. "BTW they had done on an AL tank that would even lighter but they killed it anyway."
So as I said a bunch of bad history, miss informed opinion and rambling. So no I was not wrong and he is right only in the simple statement that it would be really cool to have cheap access to space and big dumb boosters will not provide that.
Which is nothing but a big duh... That was the idea behind the Shuttle in the late 60s early 70s. Thing is that they built the Shuttle but didn't build the space tug, space station "until the ISS", and many of the other projects that the shuttle was supposed to support. That and they changed the design to make the development cheaper but the per flight higher.
No not at all. If the engineer signs the work he is then responsible for that work. It is up to him to check the validity of the work.
It was never certified as an engineering document so no harm of foul. It is just a very well studied citizen objection. It is now up to the DOD to look at it and decide if there is anything to it. Or they can choose to ignore it and if someone gets killed and a new study shows that they where wrong be in deep trouble.
He is right about what? We have to find something better than rockets?
First the Delta4 has nothing in common with the Thor/Delta of old except the name. The same is true of the Atlas V/
Also the Atlas and Thor where in service at the same time. Thor's in Europe and the Atlas here in the US.
If you really read the what he wrote it simple said that satellites are the way they are because launchers are the way they are and then adds in a good mix of bad details and fantasy. Well duh....
The rest of it was just rambling. Or if you are a big fan of science fiction what we really need are some General Products hulls with hyper drive and Outsider gravity drives like the Puppeteers are using to move their home world. Too bad we don't have the CAD files for those.
This is the best part.
"He said there is a potential for violation if DOT and the public were misled by "engineering-quality work"- even if the authors did not claim to be engineers."
I am sorry sir but you are too knowledgeable to be allowed to function without proper supervision. I think I saw this on a Twilight Zone once....
I saw that demonstration once. People still argued that it didn't prove that astrology wasn't true that it just proved that James Randi was good at fooling people.
Sad thing is that for one brief moment they had used logic and drawn a valid conclusion.
What they didn't understand was that Randi wasn't trying to prove a negative. He was showing them how easy it was for humans to be tricked into believing astrology was true.
It is just a shame.
Hey I always like to have a map and one thing I do like about Google Maps on my cell is I can use it as a map.
While it is really terrible for a small child to die I hope people read the full story.
Almost 300,000 people a year go to Death Valley. Just how few die by GPS?
And they didn't die by GPS they died by the same mistakes that have killed people for a long time.
1. They went to DEATH VALLEY IN THE SUMMER! They call it death valley for a reason.
2. They didn't bring water.
3. They didn't have a route and tell people the route.
4. They didn't have a contact person.
5. They had bad maps.
I used to go off road riding on my bike when I was single. I had several long routes that I took, What I did since I was single make a map of all my rides. When I would go off on one I would call my friend and let them know what trail I was on. When I got back I would call them and let them know. I also took about two gallons of water with me and this is in Florida and not death valley.
Here in the US we still have a lot of really wild land. It is wonderful but it can kill you if you do not respect it.
Really that was just really bad. Satellites have never been "limited" to the size and weight of Hydrogen bombs.
Frankly it was just some kind of odd ramble that had no real facts at all. The History was also just dumbed down to about the level of a fourth grade book report.
So Microsoft is getting data from it's browser which has the majority of market because it is installed on Microsoft's OS which as an over whelming majority of the market to complete with a company in an unrelated market?
Yes that will not be any problem at all....
And if it comes to that hope that a jury believes that?
Not liking reality will not change it.
Some people will not want that solution and others will shout about Intel trying to cheap out. With this many products it is just simpler to deal with one solution for everyone. Hey if you don't want to send it in I doubt that they will send the motherboard police to your home and make you.
"BARACK OBAMA for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."
By getting elected? He was the jr. senator from Illinois and the President elect. exactly what did he do deserve that award?
I know it is an old saw but face it that was just a political statement by the Nobel Committee that they really hated Bush.
But makes sense for a country that is trying to get European nations to pay to clean up Chernobyl. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12335595
From the wikipedia. " ... when you come to within three miles (5 km), you've rendezvoused. If anybody thinks they've pulled a rendezvous off at three miles (5 km), have fun! This is when we started doing our work. I don't think rendezvous is over until you are stopped - completely stopped - with no relative motion between the two vehicles, at a range of approximately 120 feet (37 m). That's rendezvous! From there on, it's stationkeeping. That's when you can go back and play the game of driving a car or driving an airplane or pushing a skateboard — it's about that simple."[2]
First successful rendezvous
Gemini 7 photographed from Gemini 6 in 1965
Rendezvous was first successfully accomplished by US astronaut Wally Schirra on December 15, 1965, who maneuvered the Gemini 6A spacecraft within 1 foot (30 cm) of its sister craft Gemini 7. The spacecraft were not equipped to dock with each other, but maintained station-keeping for more than 20 minutes. Schirra later commented:
"Somebody said
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First satellite yes, first man yes, first woman yes, space rendezvous? I would say not so much. And the first automated sample return from the moon was well after first sample return from the moon and the first manned landing. The Venus probes also a yes. They did a lot but don't give them false credit. I wouldn't give the US criedit for the first man in space based on the X-2, X-15 or a balloon flight.
True but the fact that you said it is a fact. Think of it with facebook out of the picture.
Q. Mr. Kaptink did say that you where going to buy a gun and shook Mr. Jones in the head?
A. Yes but I was just kidding.
Of course when they find Mr. Jones with a bullet hole in his head that looks very damming.
Same thing if you are are on probation for DUI and they find a picture of you in a car with a beer in your hand on face book dated the day before your hearing.
Yea it could be a fake but....
Really people guess what. Stupid hurts. Act stupid in public and there is a good chance it will bite you in the rear. BTW a party is still in public.
Is it so hard for people to understand this? Facebook is not now and never was "private" don't publish private information on it... You do know that publish means to make public right?
If a Journalist at that time ever got close to a computer hooked up to the internet. Those journalists probably graduated in the 70s or early 80s. Internet and even computers access for liberal arts majors wasn't common.
linpack is floating point heavy but still if it can match a P2 then that is pretty impressive for a wall wort.
Truth is that they tend to be around a P4 in interger performance for the most part which again for what they are is fantastic. I think you are a little spoiled when you dismiss a wall wart with enough power to run Linux.
"I never saw an environmentalist with a shirt that said, "Down with molten salt reactors!!!" I'm sure given the choice and scientific evidence, most environmentalists would much more readily opt for that rather than the currently in use nuclear power paradigm."
Really you never saw a no nukes protester? Please they where protesting space probes that used RTG for goodness sakes!
They where not chanting NO Light Water Reactors! they where chanting NO NUKES! BTW light water reactors are safe as well and protested.
You are really dealing in revisionist history here. Yes the anti-nuclear forces ignored and mutated science as badly as the anti-global warming and frankly a lot of the pro-global warming forces are doing today.
"Example of the pro global warming twisting science was when they said strong hurricane seasons proved and where caused by climate change." No it was just normal variability. It is the difference between weather and climate. BTW the other side got to do the same thing when we had a dead season the next year. Again weather vs climate.
Nope the anti-nukes are as much a mindless bunch of followers as any anti-global warming group is.
Actually that is not true. Light water reactors are not good at producing plutonium. The US and other nations had specialized reactors just for weapons production. Also the reactors used in ships and subs while light water are very different from power plant reactors in design. So why?
You will see that almost all research in reactors was stopped in the mid 70s right around TMI and that dumb movie. The rise of the Nuclear FUD and President Carter's administration killed most reactor research. Then you had the rise of cheap oil and the coal companies. Only now are we starting to look at nuclear in the nation. BTW the first Thorium salt reactor was built at Oak Ridge by the DOE in the 60s.
Actually it is bad because they did so little research. It is interesting because it was so early. This predates Netscape, Yahoo and the other internet startups.
TomTom just use Google free navigation. The games are a given but then I have three EA games on my phone. The food guides well you do have yelp, google places, and Urban Spoon.
For Podcasts I suggest you try and then by Beyond Pod. I have mine set to sync every night at 1 am and it does a good job. The one downside is that it's search for podcasts sucks. That isn't as bad it seems because it will sync with Google Reader so use Google Reader to find and select your Podcasts than have Beyond Pod sync with it.
It really is less of a hassle than it seems.
As to media you are correct. Audio is no problem but video is. Beyond Pod does handle video podcasts. I have an HTC phone and HTCs media player is actually not bad at all. That is the one place the Android phone falls down a bit but it isn't really an app problem IMHO it is a media problem. Apple controls and makes money off of media Google doesn't I can get MP3s from Amazon and it works just fine but I can not get video from Amazon yet. Why Google didn't set up a media store I just don't know but to me that was their error.
Most of the apps I see are just fine and there is a lot of them. The games I do feel are lacking but hopefully that will change soon.
Maybe but the extra paper work makes it not worth it to Intel. That small percentage just are not worth the hassle and the bad press they would get by offering a "band aid" solution even if some people would want it.