But at no time did you say that it would be less reliable. That was my main point. As I said for the scope of this mission solar was a good choice but it would have been interesting to get measurements of the the snow on the ground over winter and weather for the entire winter. At some point I am sure we will put another lander on the pole with an RTG for such a mission.
Heavier yes. more complex? How? the RTG is a very simple device. Actually a lot less complex than the unfolding structure that the solar panels required not to mention the batteries and charging system. Plus I will bet they already included a radio isotope heater on the lander. The real reason they didn't use them is cost. It would have made the lander and launch vehicle more expensive. And yes for the mission requirements it would have added unneeded cost. It would have only made sense if the mission was more ambitious. Less reliable, can you give me a single mission that has failed because of a problem with an RTG?
A. It wasn't a rover. B. They knew that this would happen. C. The only reason they didn't use RTGs was because of cost and the nut cases that would protest the launch.
I know why they used solar. It was good enough for this mission. But it would have been really interesting if they where given the budget to use an RTG and had kept gathering data over the winter. So no knuckle head I was not criticizing their skills. Just lamenting that the mission was so limited in scope.
Well think about it. Back in his day a man could get a homestead and work and improve the land. Out of that he got the profits of his labor but his kids also got them when he passed them on to them. Same with someone that build a business. And I think you have it wrong. What right do you have to pass on the fruits of your labor to you children? I think that puts it a bit more in perspective.
And what if you died the day you published your book? Your family shouldn't benefit? Hey when you die maybe you shouldn't be abile to leave your house to your family? After all they didn't earn it. Or your business? I am all for reducing copyright terms from their current whacked out length but it is natural to want to provide for your family.
I agree with you. It is too bad that way too many people in the entertainment industry do not agree with us. I take it you must have missed the people that came to Polanski's defense and or where outraged at the jailing of this great "artist". Of course not everybody in the entertainment industry is so out of touch as to think that Polanski should get off the hook. Back to Twain. The thing is that I have never heard that he was a bad father or husband. Bad with money yes but I never heard of him being abusive or a tyrant. Even he wasn't the greatest father maybe he doesn't deserve the title of great man/ person. What he does deserve is the title great author. Maybe even a timeless author. Which is pretty dang good in my book.
I wouldn't down play his skill as a writer. But maybe being a great writer, a great artist, a great actor, a great singer, or a great programmer isn't enough and shouldn't be enough to be called a great person/man. Hitler was probably one of the best public speakers ever. He had a huge impact on history. But a great person? I do not think so. Maybe to be a great person it takes more than just being great at your job. Maybe it takes being great in all facets of being human.
Honestly I do not know enough about his family life. While I never heard that he was a perfect father I also have never heard that he was abusive to his family. So I do not know for sure. Maybe he was a great person after all.
However being a great artist to me just doesn't hold that much weight ever. Pasture and Salk to me contributed much more to humanity than Twain or Rembrandt. But that is just my opinion. As for Twain I will say that I like his books and there is nothing at all dismissive with the title of great author which without a doubt he was.
You right it could but still to lay the blame on Apple is still IMHO unfair unless you lay the blame at all the other people that buy from Foxconn like Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo.... They are all customers of Foxconn. And I still say that China is the most to blame since it is the responsibility of a government too protect it's citizens.
Yea and we had abolitionists and the underground railway to fight slavery. We don't need those in the US anymore as well.
Dude get over it. It was a scam union gig. That electriction never checked our electrical load or was seen again. We started to do our setup and where told to stop and wait "for well over an hour" for the union to show up. When he showed up he told us how much it was going to cost for him to stand their while we plugged in the strips. Turned to if anything went wrong with our power strips? Probably use because they would have claimed our power strips where faulty or that we where drawing more power than allowed. At least that is what the contract said.
The laws give protection the unions force people to join to work in some states. Which should be unconstitutional that freedom of association protection should come into play.
Sorry but while nothing is prefect the abuses of the unions and the connections with organized crime as well as the violence make them more of a problem than a help. Not all unions are bad but several of the big labor unions are a burden on the US at this time.
The labor costs on most PC are really small. With automation I would think that it could really be doable. And in the long run it may be a bigger benefit to the economy. A few hundred thousand jobs means a few hundred thousand more consumers with money to drop. That was one of Fords reason for paying his workers more than the average factory workers. They became his customers as well. The other reason was to keep them on the job.
Bollics on the unions. Really. The US has labor laws to protect workers. Unions where useful in the past but the law protects workers.
Sorry but when my company had to pay a Union worker $200 to watch us plug in powerstrips and set up our booths at convention in Chicago any desire for Unions went out the window. Also Toyota other manufactures have plants in the US that are none Union. The workers are well paid and seem happy. I do not believe that Unions are part of the solution anymore.
I am no Apple fan boy but you are not being fair. This is Foxconn and not Apple. If Apple offered to pay more for the product what makes you think that Foxconn would pass that on to the workers or improve the workers conditions? Also from the wikipedia. "Foxconn produces the Mac mini, the iPod, the iPad, and the iPhone for Apple Inc.; Intel-branded motherboards for Intel Corp.;
various orders for American computer manufacturers Dell and Hewlett-Packard; motherboards for UK computer manufacturer Zoostorm; the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 for Sony; the Wii for Nintendo; the Xbox 360 for Microsoft, cell phones for Motorola, the Amazon Kindle, and Cisco equipment" Apple is no more to blame than Nintendo, Sony, HP, Dell, Motorola, Amazon, and Cisco.
Why the heck don't we just make more stuff in the US. I mean really! At one time Apple made computers in the US as did other companies. Or at least make them in countries that care a little about their employees?
If you are going to fire off blame put it first on China. China needs to put in labor laws to protect it's own people. Second lay the blame on Foxconn for exploiting those people. Then put the blame on all the companies listed. Finally lets all take a little blame for not caring where we get our toys from. I am glad to say that when I went shopping for a lawn mower I worked hard to find one that was not made in China. It was made in Canada.
If Theora became popular or had powerful support odds are that MPEG-LA would go after it as well. Odds are they would find something dumb that they think it infringes on. It is simple this. Only the big boys get to play here now. The small developer is going to get lock out or have to pay protection money. We so need to get ride of software patents.
The problem is that as long as they exist people will use them. The company I work for has gotten some hardware patents. They have given us and advantage over an old established competitor . They can not copy our latest product and we are final breaking into the market. Customers now have a choice and progress is being made. We are now going to start using software patents. I do not like this choice but they exist. We fear that if we do not at least file them our competitors will copy our software and file patents or our features. The patent system is so broken that if they did we would have to spend tons of money just to prove prior art! It is just safer for us to file for anything that we think could remotely be patented. Even though this could give us an advantage I still want to see them revoked. I fear that some program I write will have some cleaver for loop that some idiot has a patent on.
That honestly makes more sense to me. Great Plains was an old company and the software is probably pretty old code. Back in the day the only real need for security was physical security. We didn't accounting systems on the Internet! heck most companies didn't put any software on the internet.
Security was laughable. and for the nost part not an issue. What is funny is you will find this lack of security everywhere because we never thought about it. A good example is the CMS called Goldmine. We had some datafiles in an old version of goldmine. My boss password protected them and lost the pass word. I just grabbed the files across the network and imported them into OpenOffice Calc. They where xbase files. No problem getting the data out but my boss had a cow. He asked me of all the data was that vulnerable. And I told him of course it was. Or course we where a software dev firm and the development staff had no say is the software the sales staff used...
I do agree that it is understandable. According to the Wikipedia the heil Hitler is changed in the German version. Hey if never saw a Neo-Nazi I can not say that I would cry. And yes the law was co-written by Americans but if you think it makes sense now just think how much sense it made in 1945-46! But that is the point different cultures have different expectations. In the US the idea of arresting someone for giving a speech or writing a book with unpleasant or even downright evil political ideas is just about unthinkable. Limiting say pictures that we consider obscene is not. In the US political speech has more protection the sexual or commercial speech. In many places in the EU that isn't the case. As long as the majority of the people agree with it and it seems somewhat reasonable I don't have a problem with it. BTW Did you know that most of the Germans in Hogan's Heros where/are Jewish? And the some of them where or lost family members in the camps. When asked about it they said they enjoyed doing the show because what better revenge could they have than making Nazis looks foolish.
And the same court ruled that porn is not protected. And in no way does the 9th and 10th provides any protection of expression. Then tenth is "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." And the ninth is "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." In no time does it make any statement about the freedom of expression.
The idea of freedom of expression is in it's self silly. Suppose I want to express my self by burning tires in my back yard? Or conning people out of money. Hey it is performance art! The first amendment SPECIFICALLY specifies speech and the press instead of expression because expression is just too broad. I mean I know it is hard to believe but some idiot would think that they had the right to distribute and or own kiddie porn! I know it is hard to believe that anybody would be so silly but thankfully the writers of the Constitution and the Supreme Court have set those idiots straight.
And yet there is all sorts of political speech that is illegal in Germany. For instance you can not say heil Hitler on tv even in a sitcom like Hogan's Heros where they where making fun of the Nazis. Different cultures have different standards. I can understand why Germany has it's rules even if they are bit over the top to me. After all a flag has never killed anybody.
It is called freedom of speech not freedom of expression. So you can talk about all you want. But no your wrong it should be and is illegal. The Supreme Court is okay it being illegal as is most of society.
Not really. One who asks who is Taylor Monson is loses points for not googling the name.
One who states they don't know but sees that she is something called a Gossip Girl probably is wise. The know from that amount of data that they don't know and don't care.
Now if this Taylor person was in a headline with some science discovery or in a some movie or show I cared about I would probably have spent the time go google her. I can tell right off the bat when you put Popular and Gossip Girls in the headline that I really don't care.
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But at no time did you say that it would be less reliable. That was my main point. As I said for the scope of this mission solar was a good choice but it would have been interesting to get measurements of the the snow on the ground over winter and weather for the entire winter. At some point I am sure we will put another lander on the pole with an RTG for such a mission.
Heavier yes.
more complex? How? the RTG is a very simple device. Actually a lot less complex than the unfolding structure that the solar panels required not to mention the batteries and charging system. Plus I will bet they already included a radio isotope heater on the lander.
The real reason they didn't use them is cost. It would have made the lander and launch vehicle more expensive. And yes for the mission requirements it would have added unneeded cost. It would have only made sense if the mission was more ambitious. Less reliable, can you give me a single mission that has failed because of a problem with an RTG?
A. It wasn't a rover.
B. They knew that this would happen.
C. The only reason they didn't use RTGs was because of cost and the nut cases that would protest the launch.
I know why they used solar. It was good enough for this mission.
But it would have been really interesting if they where given the budget to use an RTG and had kept gathering data over the winter.
So no knuckle head I was not criticizing their skills. Just lamenting that the mission was so limited in scope.
If they had used RTG it could have functioned through the winter.
Nope it is pure evil. Okay not pure evil but just your normal unrestricted greed.
Software patents are just evil.
Well think about it. Back in his day a man could get a homestead and work and improve the land. Out of that he got the profits of his labor but his kids also got them when he passed them on to them.
Same with someone that build a business.
And I think you have it wrong. What right do you have to pass on the fruits of your labor to you children? I think that puts it a bit more in perspective.
And what if you died the day you published your book? Your family shouldn't benefit?
Hey when you die maybe you shouldn't be abile to leave your house to your family? After all they didn't earn it.
Or your business?
I am all for reducing copyright terms from their current whacked out length but it is natural to want to provide for your family.
I agree with you. It is too bad that way too many people in the entertainment industry do not agree with us.
I take it you must have missed the people that came to Polanski's defense and or where outraged at the jailing of this great "artist".
Of course not everybody in the entertainment industry is so out of touch as to think that Polanski should get off the hook.
Back to Twain. The thing is that I have never heard that he was a bad father or husband. Bad with money yes but I never heard of him being abusive or a tyrant. Even he wasn't the greatest father maybe he doesn't deserve the title of great man/ person. What he does deserve is the title great author. Maybe even a timeless author. Which is pretty dang good in my book.
I wouldn't down play his skill as a writer. But maybe being a great writer, a great artist, a great actor, a great singer, or a great programmer isn't enough and shouldn't be enough to be called a great person/man.
Hitler was probably one of the best public speakers ever. He had a huge impact on history. But a great person? I do not think so. Maybe to be a great person it takes more than just being great at your job. Maybe it takes being great in all facets of being human.
Honestly I do not know enough about his family life. While I never heard that he was a perfect father I also have never heard that he was abusive to his family. So I do not know for sure. Maybe he was a great person after all.
However being a great artist to me just doesn't hold that much weight ever. Pasture and Salk to me contributed much more to humanity than Twain or Rembrandt. But that is just my opinion. As for Twain I will say that I like his books and there is nothing at all dismissive with the title of great author which without a doubt he was.
You right it could but still to lay the blame on Apple is still IMHO unfair unless you lay the blame at all the other people that buy from Foxconn like Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo.... They are all customers of Foxconn. And I still say that China is the most to blame since it is the responsibility of a government too protect it's citizens.
Yea and we had abolitionists and the underground railway to fight slavery. We don't need those in the US anymore as well.
Dude get over it. It was a scam union gig. That electriction never checked our electrical load or was seen again. We started to do our setup and where told to stop and wait "for well over an hour" for the union to show up. When he showed up he told us how much it was going to cost for him to stand their while we plugged in the strips.
Turned to if anything went wrong with our power strips? Probably use because they would have claimed our power strips where faulty or that we where drawing more power than allowed. At least that is what the contract said.
The laws give protection the unions force people to join to work in some states.
Which should be unconstitutional that freedom of association protection should come into play.
Sorry but while nothing is prefect the abuses of the unions and the connections with organized crime as well as the violence make them more of a problem than a help.
Not all unions are bad but several of the big labor unions are a burden on the US at this time.
The labor costs on most PC are really small. With automation I would think that it could really be doable.
And in the long run it may be a bigger benefit to the economy. A few hundred thousand jobs means a few hundred thousand more consumers with money to drop.
That was one of Fords reason for paying his workers more than the average factory workers. They became his customers as well.
The other reason was to keep them on the job.
I don't know.
There seems to be a good number of them that work for GM, Ford, Toyota, and other car makers in the US.
Bollics on the unions.
Really. The US has labor laws to protect workers. Unions where useful in the past but the law protects workers.
Sorry but when my company had to pay a Union worker $200 to watch us plug in powerstrips and set up our booths at convention in Chicago any desire for Unions went out the window.
Also Toyota other manufactures have plants in the US that are none Union. The workers are well paid and seem happy.
I do not believe that Unions are part of the solution anymore.
I am no Apple fan boy but you are not being fair.
This is Foxconn and not Apple. If Apple offered to pay more for the product what makes you think that Foxconn would pass that on to the workers or improve the workers conditions?
Also from the wikipedia.
"Foxconn produces the Mac mini, the iPod, the iPad, and the iPhone for Apple Inc.;
Intel-branded motherboards for Intel Corp.;
various orders for American computer manufacturers Dell and Hewlett-Packard;
motherboards for UK computer manufacturer Zoostorm;
the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 for Sony; the Wii for Nintendo;
the Xbox 360 for Microsoft,
cell phones for Motorola,
the Amazon Kindle,
and Cisco equipment"
Apple is no more to blame than Nintendo, Sony, HP, Dell, Motorola, Amazon, and Cisco.
Why the heck don't we just make more stuff in the US. I mean really! At one time Apple made computers in the US as did other companies.
Or at least make them in countries that care a little about their employees?
If you are going to fire off blame put it first on China. China needs to put in labor laws to protect it's own people. Second lay the blame on Foxconn for exploiting those people. Then put the blame on all the companies listed.
Finally lets all take a little blame for not caring where we get our toys from.
I am glad to say that when I went shopping for a lawn mower I worked hard to find one that was not made in China. It was made in Canada.
If Theora became popular or had powerful support odds are that MPEG-LA would go after it as well.
Odds are they would find something dumb that they think it infringes on.
It is simple this. Only the big boys get to play here now. The small developer is going to get lock out or have to pay protection money.
We so need to get ride of software patents.
The problem is that as long as they exist people will use them. The company I work for has gotten some hardware patents. They have given us and advantage over an old established competitor . They can not copy our latest product and we are final breaking into the market. Customers now have a choice and progress is being made.
We are now going to start using software patents. I do not like this choice but they exist. We fear that if we do not at least file them our competitors will copy our software and file patents or our features. The patent system is so broken that if they did we would have to spend tons of money just to prove prior art!
It is just safer for us to file for anything that we think could remotely be patented.
Even though this could give us an advantage I still want to see them revoked.
I fear that some program I write will have some cleaver for loop that some idiot has a patent on.
That honestly makes more sense to me. Great Plains was an old company and the software is probably pretty old code. Back in the day the only real need for security was physical security. We didn't accounting systems on the Internet! heck most companies didn't put any software on the internet.
Security was laughable. and for the nost part not an issue.
What is funny is you will find this lack of security everywhere because we never thought about it.
A good example is the CMS called Goldmine. We had some datafiles in an old version of goldmine. My boss password protected them and lost the pass word.
I just grabbed the files across the network and imported them into OpenOffice Calc. They where xbase files.
No problem getting the data out but my boss had a cow. He asked me of all the data was that vulnerable. And I told him of course it was.
Or course we where a software dev firm and the development staff had no say is the software the sales staff used...
I do agree that it is understandable. According to the Wikipedia the heil Hitler is changed in the German version.
Hey if never saw a Neo-Nazi I can not say that I would cry. And yes the law was co-written by Americans but if you think it makes sense now just think how much sense it made in 1945-46!
But that is the point different cultures have different expectations.
In the US the idea of arresting someone for giving a speech or writing a book with unpleasant or even downright evil political ideas is just about unthinkable.
Limiting say pictures that we consider obscene is not.
In the US political speech has more protection the sexual or commercial speech. In many places in the EU that isn't the case. As long as the majority of the people agree with it and it seems somewhat reasonable I don't have a problem with it.
BTW Did you know that most of the Germans in Hogan's Heros where/are Jewish? And the some of them where or lost family members in the camps. When asked about it they said they enjoyed doing the show because what better revenge could they have than making Nazis looks foolish.
No I have known it for a long time but this really is twisted.
And the same court ruled that porn is not protected.
And in no way does the 9th and 10th provides any protection of expression.
Then tenth is
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
And the ninth is
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
In no time does it make any statement about the freedom of expression.
The idea of freedom of expression is in it's self silly.
Suppose I want to express my self by burning tires in my back yard?
Or conning people out of money. Hey it is performance art!
The first amendment SPECIFICALLY specifies speech and the press instead of expression because expression is just too broad.
I mean I know it is hard to believe but some idiot would think that they had the right to distribute and or own kiddie porn! I know it is hard to believe that anybody would be so silly but thankfully the writers of the Constitution and the Supreme Court have set those idiots straight.
And yet there is all sorts of political speech that is illegal in Germany. For instance you can not say heil Hitler on tv even in a sitcom like Hogan's Heros where they where making fun of the Nazis.
Different cultures have different standards. I can understand why Germany has it's rules even if they are bit over the top to me. After all a flag has never killed anybody.
It is called freedom of speech not freedom of expression.
So you can talk about all you want. But no your wrong it should be and is illegal. The Supreme Court is okay it being illegal as is most of society.
Wow.... the patent system is deeply broken.
That I fear is true. Hopefully our navy does better with detecting and tracking subs.
Not really.
One who asks who is Taylor Monson is loses points for not googling the name.
One who states they don't know but sees that she is something called a Gossip Girl probably is wise.
The know from that amount of data that they don't know and don't care.
Now if this Taylor person was in a headline with some science discovery or in a some movie or show I cared about I would probably have spent the time go google her.
I can tell right off the bat when you put Popular and Gossip Girls in the headline that I really don't care.