Okay... I just wondering what people have on their drive that they are so worried about the government recovering? I think part of it has to do with an over inflated sense of importance. Just what makes you think that your important enough for the FBI to break out the super secret ninja hard drive data recovery team? On overwrite is good enough to protect you from people trying to get your credit card numbers and those pictures of spouse that you really don't want published on the net. If you have DOD data then you need to follow the DOD rules for cleaning mass media. Besides Hard driver are the least of your worries to be honest. Flash drives are much harder to wipe and really should be physically destroyed.
And Soyuz one killed it's pilot and Soyuz 11 killed it's crew. The USSR/Russia improved the Soyuz by leaps and bounds since then but the versions that few around the time of Apollo where not trouble free.
I guess but Remember that the Apollo 9 mission flew one month before this one. That mission was the first manned mission to orbit the moon. I would take the Apollo over Soyuz at that time. The Shuttle... Was an underfunded mess. It looks nothing like what NASA wanted to build. It was also oversold. It should have been an X-Plane like system and not sold as a Space 747. We where not even up the the space DC-3 level yet and politicians wanted to jump to airline service! We should have kept flying Apollo/Saturn and updating it while getting the shuttle in service and testing it.
Let's see. Wants to renew Bush's tax cuts, says it will take a while to figure out how best to close Gitmo, and picks a Windows only solution for streaming.... So far so good.
I suggest that check again. He has also stated that he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman. He will not push for it but also will not stop it.
"But if it does happen, can we next go for an amendment to make marriage last until death by definition?" Yes you could. But that wouldn't pass.
I swear didn't any of you people take a government class in High School?
At one time the Constituion allowed slavery. That was changed by an amendment. Then the passed an amendment that made selling alcohol illegal. Then the passed one that made it legal again. The Constitution can be amended any way the people want.
Okay to pass it would take 2/3s right? So it would take 34 states to pass the law. 43 states already have laws or amendments that ban gay marriage. In fact only 3 states have laws that allow it and those where not passed by popular vote. Do the math and you will see that a national amendment would pass probably tomorrow. And it would be very easy to pass.
"Thirty-nine states already prohibit gay and lesbian couples from marrying with laws modeled after the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Passed by Congress in 1996, the federal DOMA bars federal recognition of same-sex marriages and allows states to ignore gay marriages performed elsewhere. Four states (Maryland, New Hampshire, Wisconsin and Wyoming) have laws or court rulings prohibiting same-sex marriage that predate the federal DOMA. "
"California voters can't vote something in which is un-Constitutional," A constitutional amendment DEFINES what is constitutional. That is how you change the constitution.
And if the over rule the amendment you will see a National Constitutional amendment and it will pass. Simple reason is that just about every politician including President Obama in the US has said that they believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. The then say that they also believe that is should be left up to each state. Well California voters have voted not once, not twice, but three times to not have gay marriage. This will prove that it can not be left up to the states and it will go national. So far only two states out of 50 have gay marriage and those have not put it up to a popular vote. Do the math and you will see that a national constitutional amendment would pass very easily. Once passed it would be very hard to get ride of.
Walmart, Sears. Target, and now CompUSA is back. Actually CompUSA's prices are really not that bad even if the service is at the same level as Circuit City is now. Not to mention your local stores which may offer better service.
My wife and I had almost the same experience. Our fridge died. We went to Best Buy, Home Depot, Lowes.. Everybody said that it would take four of five days to get one delivered. We decided to check out a local place. They had a great fridge for a great price. Then came the delivery, the answer was how about tomorrow?
Except every state that has put it to a vote so far as declared that marriage is limited to one man and one woman. I think Massachusetts is the only state that has same sex marriage at this time. Even Vermont only has civil unions.
You see for me I would love to see some effort made to make Linux more self healing. If something doesn't work then it should fix it's self. Of course this is ideal and probably take a while.
The real problem is that she couldn't get any help. The school wouldn't help her, Verizon wouldn't help her, Dell probably wouldn't help her, the local rent a geek couldn't help her. I use Linux all the time and I really like it but there is a real lack of help available for the newbe. Every idiot on the planet knows Windows. Apple has their Genus bar, and Linux has RTFM.
No I didn't see that movie. Frankly I know way too much about Nazi Germany. I am a big history buff and studied it in great detail. One of the worst mistakes the US ever did was letting the UK and France talk the US out of the Just Peace that Wilson wanted to try and establish. If that had happened then post WWI Europe might have ended up looking more like post WWII Europe minus the Iron Curtain. I don't argue that the German, French and I think Dutch laws banning pro-Nazi speech is a bad thing. In the US it would be a bad thing but our history is different than yours. The US was never under Nazi rule so banning them in the US would do more harm than good I fear. Too bad since I really could live without hearing it myself and be a happy man. But I feel that in principal that idea and text should have a lot more protection than images and porn of any kind. And as I have said several times this is all really up to you and your countrymen. I know I hate it when Europeans start saying how the US should and should not be run. I also just don't feel that banning kiddie porn sites is going turn Germany into a totalitarian state. I guess I have faith that the German people have learned from the past. Maybe I am giving them too much credit since it seems that it is human nature to not learn from past mistakes but in the case I choose to be optimistic.
"Now, criminal tactics like telling someone it's free and then charging them... Or only telling them there's a fee after they are fully involved... Those might not be legal there." Exactly why it is a legal issue and not one for OO.org
The Nazi salute and saying Heil Hitler may be what is banned. I know that they had to change it when the showed Hogan's Heroes on TV in Germany. I have never been to Germany so my knowledge is limited. As I have said before anything I have to say about the law it's self is only a polite suggestion. I am in the US so what I think about laws in Germany really doesn't matter a lot. Well unless they reach the level of the bad old days. Now how the original post was a slippery slope and FUD.. That is valid. I assume that you are German so if you don't like this law the fight it. But I just don't see this as the beginning of the end.
Yes I do think that it is a slippery slope. Heck Germany already has far worse censorship than this involving political speech. You can not show a Nazi salute on TV, you can not get pro mazi books. Not that I personally would miss any of these things they are valid political speech. But you can not win trying to protect kiddie porn. It is undependable and guess what folks "protecting children" is a good thing. What I was doing was trying to point out ways that you could prevent the slide down the slope and get public support for it. Like making the black list public. That way the population will know if CNN, NPR, or Slashdot is betting blocked and not just nakeedlittlekids.ru But I also respect that rights of Germans to decide what is right for their country. I am not a German so at best all I can do is make a suggestion. It is up to them.
Interesting except that until all the countries in the world decide to unite they will never all block the same sites. What else can you do but set up checks and balances. One of those checks would be to keep the black list public.
Can you use the slippery slope to manipulate people? Of course you can. Logical fallacies are often very good tools for that. But that is exactly what the the original post was all about. It was manipulating people's emotion Slashdot style. Being emotionally manipulated and not dealing with facts is always a tool that takes away ones freedom to choose based on facts! It is evil, it is FUD, and it is wrong unless you are willing to live with "the end justifies the means". I love it when I see it because way to many people on Slashdot are sure that only fools can be manipulated like that.
You depend on checks in other countries. Odds are very high that any political speech that is blocked will not be blocked in another country. People on other countries will see that it is blocked and post it on news sites. If you start seeing news sites being blocked then will know that your government are censoring political sites. So yes you really can as long as you don't classify blocking kiddie porn as destroying freedom of speech. Frankly Germany already blocks political speech that is totally legal in the US.
The thing is that if the list is public and they try and slip in a site that shouldn't be blocked then people in an other country will find out and post it on news sites. If the German government blocks Slashdot, Digg, or CNN then you will know that they are censoring political speech. "Because there's no such thing as "correctly." The whole point is to take discretionary power away from the people and put it into the hands of government." The Government is elected by the people in Germany at least. The people of Germany have decided that some speech isn't protected. Actually a LOT of political speech is not protected in a lot of EU countries. Things like pro Nazi speech is a good example. I kind of have a mixed feeling about that. While a world without Nazis really makes me smile it is still political speech even if it is ugly, nasty, stupid speech. But that is my opinion and frankly it really has no standing. It is up to the people of Germany to decide what is best for them. What I think and what you think if you are not a German citizen really doesn't matter.
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Okay... I just wondering what people have on their drive that they are so worried about the government recovering?
I think part of it has to do with an over inflated sense of importance. Just what makes you think that your important enough for the FBI to break out the super secret ninja hard drive data recovery team?
On overwrite is good enough to protect you from people trying to get your credit card numbers and those pictures of spouse that you really don't want published on the net.
If you have DOD data then you need to follow the DOD rules for cleaning mass media.
Besides Hard driver are the least of your worries to be honest. Flash drives are much harder to wipe and really should be physically destroyed.
And Soyuz one killed it's pilot and Soyuz 11 killed it's crew.
The USSR/Russia improved the Soyuz by leaps and bounds since then but the versions that few around the time of Apollo where not trouble free.
I guess but Remember that the Apollo 9 mission flew one month before this one. That mission was the first manned mission to orbit the moon. I would take the Apollo over Soyuz at that time. The Shuttle... Was an underfunded mess. It looks nothing like what NASA wanted to build. It was also oversold. It should have been an X-Plane like system and not sold as a Space 747. We where not even up the the space DC-3 level yet and politicians wanted to jump to airline service!
We should have kept flying Apollo/Saturn and updating it while getting the shuttle in service and testing it.
Let's see. Wants to renew Bush's tax cuts, says it will take a while to figure out how best to close Gitmo, and picks a Windows only solution for streaming....
So far so good.
I suggest that check again. He has also stated that he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman. He will not push for it but also will not stop it.
"But if it does happen, can we next go for an amendment to make marriage last until death by definition?"
Yes you could. But that wouldn't pass.
I swear didn't any of you people take a government class in High School?
At one time the Constituion allowed slavery. That was changed by an amendment. Then the passed an amendment that made selling alcohol illegal. Then the passed one that made it legal again.
The Constitution can be amended any way the people want.
Okay to pass it would take 2/3s right?
So it would take 34 states to pass the law.
43 states already have laws or amendments that ban gay marriage.
In fact only 3 states have laws that allow it and those where not passed by popular vote.
Do the math and you will see that a national amendment would pass probably tomorrow. And it would be very easy to pass.
"Thirty-nine states already prohibit gay and lesbian couples from marrying with laws modeled after the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Passed by Congress in 1996, the federal DOMA bars federal recognition of same-sex marriages and allows states to ignore gay marriages performed elsewhere. Four states (Maryland, New Hampshire, Wisconsin and Wyoming) have laws or court rulings prohibiting same-sex marriage that predate the federal DOMA. "
"California voters can't vote something in which is un-Constitutional,"
A constitutional amendment DEFINES what is constitutional. That is how you change the constitution.
And if the over rule the amendment you will see a National Constitutional amendment and it will pass.
Simple reason is that just about every politician including President Obama in the US has said that they believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. The then say that they also believe that is should be left up to each state.
Well California voters have voted not once, not twice, but three times to not have gay marriage.
This will prove that it can not be left up to the states and it will go national. So far only two states out of 50 have gay marriage and those have not put it up to a popular vote. Do the math and you will see that a national constitutional amendment would pass very easily. Once passed it would be very hard to get ride of.
Walmart, Sears. Target, and now CompUSA is back.
Actually CompUSA's prices are really not that bad even if the service is at the same level as Circuit City is now.
Not to mention your local stores which may offer better service.
My wife and I had almost the same experience. Our fridge died. We went to Best Buy, Home Depot, Lowes.. Everybody said that it would take four of five days to get one delivered. We decided to check out a local place. They had a great fridge for a great price. Then came the delivery, the answer was how about tomorrow?
What other states?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_legislation_in_the_United_States_by_state
So far only three states have same sex marriage. The majority of states have outright banned it.
Except every state that has put it to a vote so far as declared that marriage is limited to one man and one woman.
I think Massachusetts is the only state that has same sex marriage at this time. Even Vermont only has civil unions.
You see for me I would love to see some effort made to make Linux more self healing. If something doesn't work then it should fix it's self.
Of course this is ideal and probably take a while.
The real problem is that she couldn't get any help.
The school wouldn't help her, Verizon wouldn't help her, Dell probably wouldn't help her, the local rent a geek couldn't help her.
I use Linux all the time and I really like it but there is a real lack of help available for the newbe.
Every idiot on the planet knows Windows. Apple has their Genus bar, and Linux has RTFM.
No I didn't see that movie. Frankly I know way too much about Nazi Germany. I am a big history buff and studied it in great detail. One of the worst mistakes the US ever did was letting the UK and France talk the US out of the Just Peace that Wilson wanted to try and establish.
If that had happened then post WWI Europe might have ended up looking more like post WWII Europe minus the Iron Curtain.
I don't argue that the German, French and I think Dutch laws banning pro-Nazi speech is a bad thing.
In the US it would be a bad thing but our history is different than yours. The US was never under Nazi rule so banning them in the US would do more harm than good I fear. Too bad since I really could live without hearing it myself and be a happy man.
But I feel that in principal that idea and text should have a lot more protection than images and porn of any kind. And as I have said several times this is all really up to you and your countrymen. I know I hate it when Europeans start saying how the US should and should not be run. I also just don't feel that banning kiddie porn sites is going turn Germany into a totalitarian state.
I guess I have faith that the German people have learned from the past. Maybe I am giving them too much credit since it seems that it is human nature to not learn from past mistakes but in the case I choose to be optimistic.
"Now, criminal tactics like telling someone it's free and then charging them... Or only telling them there's a fee after they are fully involved... Those might not be legal there."
Exactly why it is a legal issue and not one for OO.org
It is totally legal to sell GPL software. This is morally wrong but it is legal. Sounds like the laws in Germany need to be changed and not OO.org.
"Of course, in Germany, censorship is actually unconstitutional. "
They why are pro Nazi books illegal?
The Nazi salute and saying Heil Hitler may be what is banned. I know that they had to change it when the showed Hogan's Heroes on TV in Germany.
I have never been to Germany so my knowledge is limited. As I have said before anything I have to say about the law it's self is only a polite suggestion. I am in the US so what I think about laws in Germany really doesn't matter a lot. Well unless they reach the level of the bad old days.
Now how the original post was a slippery slope and FUD.. That is valid.
I assume that you are German so if you don't like this law the fight it. But I just don't see this as the beginning of the end.
Yes I do think that it is a slippery slope.
Heck Germany already has far worse censorship than this involving political speech. You can not show a Nazi salute on TV, you can not get pro mazi books. Not that I personally would miss any of these things they are valid political speech.
But you can not win trying to protect kiddie porn. It is undependable and guess what folks "protecting children" is a good thing.
What I was doing was trying to point out ways that you could prevent the slide down the slope and get public support for it.
Like making the black list public. That way the population will know if CNN, NPR, or Slashdot is betting blocked and not just nakeedlittlekids.ru
But I also respect that rights of Germans to decide what is right for their country. I am not a German so at best all I can do is make a suggestion. It is up to them.
Interesting except that until all the countries in the world decide to unite they will never all block the same sites.
What else can you do but set up checks and balances.
One of those checks would be to keep the black list public.
Can you use the slippery slope to manipulate people? Of course you can. Logical fallacies are often very good tools for that.
But that is exactly what the the original post was all about. It was manipulating people's emotion Slashdot style.
Being emotionally manipulated and not dealing with facts is always a tool that takes away ones freedom to choose based on facts! It is evil, it is FUD, and it is wrong unless you are willing to live with "the end justifies the means".
I love it when I see it because way to many people on Slashdot are sure that only fools can be manipulated like that.
You depend on checks in other countries. Odds are very high that any political speech that is blocked will not be blocked in another country. People on other countries will see that it is blocked and post it on news sites. If you start seeing news sites being blocked then will know that your government are censoring political sites.
So yes you really can as long as you don't classify blocking kiddie porn as destroying freedom of speech.
Frankly Germany already blocks political speech that is totally legal in the US.
The thing is that if the list is public and they try and slip in a site that shouldn't be blocked then people in an other country will find out and post it on news sites. If the German government blocks Slashdot, Digg, or CNN then you will know that they are censoring political speech.
"Because there's no such thing as "correctly." The whole point is to take discretionary power away from the people and put it into the hands of government."
The Government is elected by the people in Germany at least. The people of Germany have decided that some speech isn't protected. Actually a LOT of political speech is not protected in a lot of EU countries. Things like pro Nazi speech is a good example. I kind of have a mixed feeling about that. While a world without Nazis really makes me smile it is still political speech even if it is ugly, nasty, stupid speech.
But that is my opinion and frankly it really has no standing. It is up to the people of Germany to decide what is best for them. What I think and what you think if you are not a German citizen really doesn't matter.